DNA 75 Build?

[Chokeslam]

Note: this probably belongs in the Coils section, but I felt justified since it's specific to a certain chip. Just figured there'd be more visibility here. Sorry if this is wrong.

I've been seriously considering getting a VT75 Nano to pair with my Moonshot 24 for a nice compact setup to take when out-and-about, not to mention that they almost seem made for each other. Anyway, I'm posting this because I have trouble getting a satisfying vape at under 100-120 watts, at least for preheat. I go for a very warm, dense kind of vape and I'm not sure I can achieve that with an absolute maximum of 75w. That being said, I think if it's gonna happen it'll be on the moonshot or something similar(small chamber/chimney). I've hardly had time to do much building/experimenting lately so I was hoping to get some suggestions.

 

[HaileStorm]

I'd start by ditching the moonshot. I hated that tank. Anyway, you can get a nice, warm and dense vape depending on your build. I suggest getting a serpent mini as thats my fave rta right now. I use a 26g ss316 wire. 3.0mm diameter, 8 wraps and spaced. Comes to around .58ohms. I can get a warm, dense vape at 30w.

That said, I wouldnt suggest a dna 75 if you plan to vape at or above 75w. Get a dna 200 instead of thats the case.

 

[Majistir]

I love the moonshot... minus building on it. Preforms great, doesn't leak, and it's compact that and easy to fill.

While I don't vape TC or 120w on it, I get a very nice vape with a .35ohm 24g K round wire build with it @45-50w. I think the biggest issue you might find with the vt75 is the dna75 board. The battery limiting turns this basically into a mech where voltage/Wattage drop along with the battery voltage after 40%ish battery life. I don't mind this since I normally vape with mechs and prefer the wattage drop.

 

[skt239]

Using the Nano at 75w will not give you much battery life. You would probably be better of with a VT200.

 

[nightshard]

Using the Nano at 75w will not give you much battery life. You would probably be better of with a VT200.

Or VT133

 

[Chokeslam]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I've got an Efusion Duo and G2 for my regular high wattage vaping, just looking into this for a more pocketable alternative.

I love the moonshot... minus building on it. Preforms great, doesn't leak, and it's compact that and easy to fill.

While I don't vape TC or 120w on it, I get a very nice vape with a .35ohm 24g K round wire build with it @45-50w. I think the biggest issue you might find with the vt75 is the dna75 board. The battery limiting turns this basically into a mech where voltage/Wattage drop along with the battery voltage after 40%ish battery life. I don't mind this since I normally vape with mechs and prefer the wattage drop.

Very informative, this is exactly what I was hoping for. What kind of batteries are you running, and roughly how long does it take to reach 40ish percent? Battery life would have to be pretty bad to turn me off of this, but I really have no idea what to expect from a single battery mod.

 

[Majistir]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I've got an Efusion Duo and G2 for my regular high wattage vaping, just looking into this for a more pocketable alternative.


Very informative, this is exactly what I was hoping for. What kind of batteries are you running, and roughly how long does it take to reach 40ish percent? Battery life would have to be pretty bad to turn me off of this, but I really have no idea what to expect from a single battery mod.

LG HG2 or samsung 25r. Weekdays where I am working I can get pretty much the whole day off of it. Weekends usually have to switch batteries once during the day.

It's really hard to judge battery life off my vaping habits. Best example I can give is it preforms very similar to a single 18650 tube mods life span.

 

[conanthewarrior]

If you prefer to vape around 100W, I would personally get the DNA200 over the DNA75.

I tend to vape at lower wattages, but do enjoy occasionally vaping at higher power settings. For my DNA75, I am currently using a Griffin with dual 2.5MM spaced 26G 316L coils. Comes in at 0.26 when cool.

Wattage wise, I have the preheat @50W, and power at around 40W, 220-240C. Wattage does not stay at 40W for long as the temp limiting kicks in and it drops. It seems to ramp up quickly, and produces well enough vapour and flavour for me.

If I am using a DNA200, it really depends on the tank I am using what power settings I use, but most of my RTA's are set up to work at 40W max, most well under.

You can definitely get a satisfying vape at lower power levels with the right type of coils- trying to run dual fused claptons @30W wouldn't get you far, but change that to some simple 26-28G coils and you might be surprised just how much you can get out of less power .

EDIT: I use either 25R's or HE4's in my SDNA75, and have not had any weak battery errors-I have the soft cell cutoff at the standard of 2.75V in Escribe. I imagine if I used higher power settings I would though.

 

[Eskie]

If you want a nice out and about setup in a small form factor, you could also consider pairing the VT 75 nano with an OBS Engine. The Engine is a top airflow, top fill tank, so no leaking issues unless you really work at it, with a large Velocity deck. I build a simple 28 G 316L dual at ~0.5 ohm at 30W 450F atop a "full size" VT75 which is perfect as an out and about/travel setup and get an excellent vape out of it.

However, as already posted, I wouldn't be looking to run big builds that will require any more than maybe 50W, and even then, you'll likely be swapping batteries if you're a heavy/chain vaper.

 

[Chokeslam]

The Engine looks promising, and is well recieved so far, but at 25mm there'd be a slight overhang on the Nano. I got around to throwing a smaller build in the Moonshot. 28/38 316L fused claptons. 6(5.5 technically) spaced wraps @ 2.5mm ID, .17 ohms. I've wicked it a few times with rayon and cotton, and I've gotten the best results with rayon so far at 70 watts preheat. Still a little high as far as power goes, but I'm in the neighborhood. I'm gonna try the same build with 30 gauge cores and see how that goes, then try some simple 26 and 28 gauge builds.

If nothing else I've found that it is possible to get a satisfying vape at these power levels, so I think I'll go ahead and pull the trigger on the Nano. Thanks for the help everyone!

 

[Eskie]

Forgot the 75 nano would be a bit narrow to carry a 25 mm. There is an OBS Engine 23 mm version out there with a fill I believe of ~3 ml. But if the Moonshot is working well for you with that build, you should be all set.

 

[all_thumbs]

I have a VT75 Nano. 25mm tanks look OK. Yes there is overhang but it is .5mm or less (since is measured by diameter not radius). I loved mine with my Mage so very similar size and form factor to the 24mm Moonshot. I use 26/32 gauge clapton coils between .3 and .5 in mine. At higher resistance I was able to get through a work day or maybe three 2ml tanks with a good battery fully charged before I got any of the DNA75's dreaded low battery warnings.

I'm using past tense because my Nano is currently unusable. The battery cover has super fine thread that get stuck. You will have to unscrew it and screw it back in, back and forth a number of times to remove it when this happens. Once it was quite bad and the tab on the battery cover came off and then the cover broke into two other pieces. I am waiting for a warranty replacement part, for which I had to pay shipping.

 

[fireregister]

I'd start by ditching the moonshot. I hated that tank. Anyway, you can get a nice, warm and dense vape depending on your build. I suggest getting a serpent mini as thats my fave rta right now. I use a 26g ss316 wire. 3.0mm diameter, 8 wraps and spaced. Comes to around .58ohms. I can get a warm, dense vape at 30w.

That said, I wouldnt suggest a dna 75 if you plan to vape at or above 75w. Get a dna 200 instead of thats the case.

what setttings do you use for TC? I have ordered the same exact combo! Thanks!!

 

[Chokeslam]

I got a Merlin Mini in about a week ago, and after some experimentation I'm getting a pretty good vape out of dual SS430/316L fused claptons at 60 watts. Now I'm just not-so-patiently waiting for the Nano to get here from China. Snagged one for like $63 from Gearbest during a flashsale.

 

[ej1024]

Use AMP friendly coils...
Here's what I currently have
10 wraps 24g SS316 3.0 ID!
This build will last ur battery at least 2 days!!

 

[HaileStorm]

what setttings do you use for TC? I have ordered the same exact combo! Thanks!!

For tc, i have two profiles set for ss316. The first profile is at 18w, no preheat set at 480f. The second profile which is what i use more often is set at 20w, 23w preheat for 1 sec, 510f.

I use spaced coils which tend to heat up really fast. This makes it possible for me to vape at low wattages and therefore saving my battery. A single lg hg2 (brown wraps) can last me a whole day and usually get home with ~30% battery life left.

 

[fireregister]

For tc, i have two profiles set for ss316. The first profile is at 18w, no preheat set at 480f. The second profile which is what i use more often is set at 20w, 23w preheat for 1 sec, 510f.

I use spaced coils which tend to heat up really fast. This makes it possible for me to vape at low wattages and therefore saving my battery. A single lg hg2 (brown wraps) can last me a whole day and usually get home with ~30% battery life left.

I'm just getting into TC so thanks for sharing. If you don't mind more questions, what difference does the preheat do? And can I do spaced coils using the a UD coil jig?

 

[HaileStorm]

I'm just getting into TC so thanks for sharing. If you don't mind more questions, what difference does the preheat do? And can I do spaced coils using the a UD coil jig?

Sure, no problem! Im glad to share what ive learned from this forum.

For your first question, preheat is there to help when you're using thicker wires such as clapton, fused clapton, alien, etc. What it does is it heats the wire faster so you wont have to wait for the coils to heat up when you press the fire button. So say you have dual claptons installed in your atty, (depending on the build) you can set preheat for 40w for example set the wattage on your mod to 30w. Its kind of hard to explain and perhaps someone could do a better job at it than i do. Or turn to youtube for a better explanation. But the main idea is to make your coils get to your desired temp more quickly than not having preheat set.

Phew.

Okay, for your second question. You can make spaced coils from pretty much any jig. What i do is i make the coil as i normally would then just manually pull each end manually to stretch it out. And then i compress the coil to make the spaces more even. Again, this is hard to explain without visually showing you but there should be vids up on youtube to help you out.

Hope that somehow helped you out. Sorry but it's kind of hard to explain it through typing.

 

[Chokeslam]

Use AMP friendly coils...
Here's what I currently have
10 wraps 24g SS316 3.0 ID!
This build will last ur battery at least 2 days!!

I'll definitely be trying it. My dual coil build performs pretty well but it needs the full 75 watts to really shine, so battery life is awful. Not to mention how often I'm refilling the 2ml tank. Really liking the feel of the airflow on the Mini though, which is a big deal to me.

Here she is!

 

[ej1024]

I'll definitely be trying it. My dual coil build performs pretty well but it needs the full 75 watts to really shine, so battery life is awful. Not to mention how often I'm refilling the 2ml tank. Really liking the feel of the airflow on the Mini though, which is a big deal to me.

Here she is!

2ml NO GOOD IMO!!
But! If you don't mind constantly refilling?!
VAPE ON BROTHER!

 

[Chokeslam]

2ml NO GOOD IMO!!
But! If you don't mind constantly refilling?!
VAPE ON BROTHER!

Single coil will cut back on juice consumption, but I can't hope to cut back much and still get a satisfying(to me, of course) vape. I was prepared for this when I got the tank, which was specifically for the Nano. It ticks all the boxes except for that one. The capacity is a big con, but it's basically the only one I've encountered so far.

I think it'd benefit greatly from a smaller deck, 15-16mm. Smaller chamber = better flavor and more juice capacity. I'm sure they did it for the European regs though.

 

[ej1024]

Single coil will cut back on juice consumption, but I can't hope to cut back much and still get a satisfying(to me, of course) vape. I was prepared for this when I got the tank, which was specifically for the Nano. It ticks all the boxes except for that one. The capacity is a big con, but it's basically the only one I've encountered so far.

I think it'd benefit greatly from a smaller deck, 15-16mm. Smaller chamber = better flavor and more juice capacity. I'm sure they did it for the European regs though.

Exactly!
All these 2mls tank are geared for the EUROPEAN MARKET... AUGVAPE, I think, is more moving to the European market due to the FDA BULLSHIT here in the USA... but hey, if you get full flavor from a 2ml tank, then VAPE ON brother!!! I'd rather drip than get a 2ml tank.. IMO!

 

[Chokeslam]

Exactly!
All these 2mls tank are geared for the EUROPEAN MARKET... AUGVAPE, I think, is more moving to the European market due to the FDA BULLSHIT here in the USA... but hey, if you get full flavor from a 2ml tank, then VAPE ON brother!!! I'd rather drip than get a 2ml tank.. IMO!

Touche. The Goon fits the Nano perfectly too. I doubt the flavor will be there at low wattage though. Lots of space under that cap.