Why above 30 watts ?

[r055co]

I vary greatly, between 25w on my 18350 Mod's to as much as 90w/100w when I'm on my series Mod's. Just depends on the time, place and mood. Most of the time I'm Vaping around 65w-75w. Highest I've went is around 160w, didn't like it, not at all.

That's what is great about Vaping, the variety that fits each individual to stay off the Stinkies

 

[M_set]

My first vape was with an mvp2 and kanger aerotank. It was great at 9 watts
I then tried a friend's subtank mini,my first direct lung inhale.25 watts.
That was really great. A much better experience.
Dual coils on the aromamizer v1 next,40-50watts on the istick, flavor through the roof. Better.
Now i'm on 60-100 watts on the engine. Beats all the previous.
It's a matter of preference,i could get my nicotine at 9 watts again and be ok,i just like high watts lung inhales.
Still considering buying a kayfun v5 clone for some lazy bedtime vaping though.

 

[Ryedan]

My first vape was with an mvp2 and kanger aerotank. It was great at 9 watts
I then tried a friend's subtank mini,my first direct lung inhale.25 watts.
That was really great. A much better experience.
Dual coils on the aromamizer v1 next,40-50watts on the istick, flavor through the roof. Better.
Now i'm on 60-100 watts on the engine. Beats all the previous.
It's a matter of preference,i could get my nicotine at 9 watts again and be ok,i just like high watts lung inhales.
Still considering buying a kayfun v5 clone for some lazy bedtime vaping though.

M_set, you've gone pretty much the same way I have since I switched to vaping. Quit smoking in 2012 with a eGo 650 at around 8 watts. Then moved on to drippers and Genisis atties on mech mods, squonking and lately regulated mods with tanks. Got up to around 50 watts for my all day vape.

These days I'm rediscovering the lower power stuff. Pulled out an old Aqua II a couple of weeks back and set it up for around 15 watts using two 31 gauge coils just for shits and giggles ... very nice relaxing and flavorful vape . Changed a Merlin for around 17-20 watts and I'm really liking that too. Just put in the air hole restrictor but not happy with it yet. Might need some more tuning or I might just do better with the bigger hole. Just had a look around for another lower power tank and considered the Kayfun V5 but I don't like the height. Ordered a Chtulhu MTL from FT today. You can also get them from Cthulhu. Good air flow options on it to experiment with, should be fun.

The great thing about vaping is we have so many options. Works for me.

 

[Synphul]

I guess everyone is different. I don't go chucking massive clouds (though they're more than from a smaller mtl atty). I use a 2x 18650 mod capable of 100w, usually vape in temp control with wattage set to 37w (acts as preheat for faster ramp up) with the temp at 380-390f depending on the juice. In strict wattage mode 30w takes forever it seems like to heat up. Not running anything fancy, just 28ga 316L twisted and a single coil setup. Comes out to .5 ohms. On temp control I'm not sure how much wattage it's actually using since it's fluctuating to maintain temp. I don't think it needs all 37w.

I tried at 25w with my current build and I get vapor but not much flavor. More of a cool airy vape. 20w even less. I don't think that power necessarily means 'flavor' by default but depending on the build it will definitely have an effect. If the coil is a sub ohm build then lower wattage just won't heat it up enough to get real flavor out of it. A higher resistance coil with less wattage wouldn't take as much power to heat up enough to produce flavor. For those using fancier builds like fused stapled claptons and running dual coils they need the extra 'oomph' to heat them up.

 

[Ryedan]

I guess everyone is different. I don't go chucking massive clouds (though they're more than from a smaller mtl atty). I use a 2x 18650 mod capable of 100w, usually vape in temp control with wattage set to 37w (acts as preheat for faster ramp up) with the temp at 380-390f depending on the juice. In strict wattage mode 30w takes forever it seems like to heat up. Not running anything fancy, just 28ga 316L twisted and a single coil setup. Comes out to .5 ohms. On temp control I'm not sure how much wattage it's actually using since it's fluctuating to maintain temp. I don't think it needs all 37w.

I tried at 25w with my current build and I get vapor but not much flavor. More of a cool airy vape. 20w even less. I don't think that power necessarily means 'flavor' by default but depending on the build it will definitely have an effect. If the coil is a sub ohm build then lower wattage just won't heat it up enough to get real flavor out of it. A higher resistance coil with less wattage wouldn't take as much power to heat up enough to produce flavor. For those using fancier builds like fused stapled claptons and running dual coils they need the extra 'oomph' to heat them up.

Reducing heat up delay is one thing I really appreciate from TC. IMO having the power to make it work is a pretty good reason to get a few more watts than someone thinks they'll need.

 

[Ryedan]

Yikes ... double post

 

[blue.eye.gringo]

It also depends on what tank and coils you use. I have a Smok TFV8, and the coils I use in it run best when vaping at 90-150 watts.


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[r055co]

Yikes ... double post

It also depends on what tank and coils you use. I have a Smok TFV8, and the coils I use in it run best when vaping at 90-150 watts.

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Also wire and wire mass. I love 317L SS, very responsive and a 30x2/38 fused clapton at around .22 ohms rocks.

 

[Synphul]

Some folks don't care for tc, I like it. It lets me take a deep hit if I want while smoothing out the vape, reducing the crackling/spitting and helps save burning the wick. Not that rewicking is end of the world but ugh, what a crappy taste.

 

[BoomStick]

The problem is not that ultra powerfull vaporizers exist and are available and some people use them. The problem is that we make it the norm. Any new vaper (ex-smoker) doesn't needs 213 watts to be satisfied. And we know now, that vaping this way has more risks. Maybe the industry pushes the wrong message with an offer that is not well balanced, with an overload of those powerfull products, and less and less mi-level choices.

So what solution do you offer to your supposed problem?

 

[VinceV1]

@BoomStick : I don't think 200 watts as a rule will ensure a bright future for vapers. Companies should not stop to offer new lower devices as well.

 

[BoomStick]

Companies "should" do what's in their best interest. A free market automatically fixes any imbalance eventually. And 200 watt devices don't only output 200 watts. You smell of socialism. Let this newer industry go through it's natural evolution and the companies chasing only profit and pushing crap that is only trendy for the moment will fade away. Any one person claiming to know what this industry "should" do is arrogant at best. Free people making free decisions about how they trade with others is the only thing that should happen. The rest will fall in place.

 

[VinceV1]

Companies "should" do what's in their best interest. A free market automatically fixes any imbalance eventually. And 200 watt devices don't only output 200 watts. You smell of socialism. Let this newer industry go through it's natural evolution and the companies chasing only profit and pushing crap that is only trendy for the moment will fade away. Any one person claiming to know what this industry "should" do is arrogant at best. Free people making free decisions about how they trade with others is the only thing that should happen. The rest will fall in place.

I'm just informed.

 

[VinceV1]

Any one person claiming to know what this industry "should" do is arrogant at best.

We need a little bit of arrogance then, because there is some hole between very cheap low wattage devices, and high tech high wattage devices. Can I have right the say this ? Are we still living in a free world ?

 

[BoomStick]

There's plenty of cheap, low power stuff. It's just older stuff. The newer stuff is higher power, longer run time because that's what sells. You want to fill some gap? Start building and selling mods. Complaining about offerings and saying what should be made......You know what, I've made my point.

 

[VinceV1]

You know what ? Companies are listening vapers man. I made my point as well.

 

[M_set]

What do you mean there is some hole between cheap and high wattage devices?
I got a 220w device at 40$.
I could get a 150w device at 33$.
For something that will last at least a year that is dirt cheap.
I can vape at 20 watts if i want to with it.
If the demand that drove the manufacturers in developing high watts devices didn't exist,we would be paying 3 times the money for 3 times less power.
This is the ceiling for 2 18650,you won't see 500 watts next year because these kind of batteries don't exist.
I don't see people turn to using 4x18650 mods,they are too big to carry around.
I don't see a problem,if fast cars get dirt cheap tomorrow i will buy one.

 

[VinceV1]

@M_set

This is not a question of dollars imo. I would not buy a 40$ 220 watts. I would rather spend on the best electronic card in this case.

 

[M_set]

And what makes you think that 220 watts mods should cost more than 40$?
It's not like they are 8 core cpu ram screen and storage.
You brought up the subject of pricing.

 

[VinceV1]

@M_set : Various problems (auto-firing, screens that do not last, etc.). I know few companies that produce quality, over and over. So, there are many more companies we don't still know a lot about. Cost can mean more research and more security.

 

[M_set]

Sure there were some problems because it was a developing market.
It's not like 40$ devices autofire or screens die these days.
More money means better materials used on the outer device and more accurate chips used for tc.
The biggest fails of 2016 were samsung s7 edge and sigelei 213 so don't judge everything by the pricing.
And on the subject,you do not need more than 30watts. You do not need more than 9 watts.
People like high watts vaping and companies make them.

 

[M_set]

*samsung note 7

 

[VinceV1]

A perspective : The first goal of vaping was to minimize the risks. From 2009 to 2015, the goal was attained, and with more and more performance. Now, the game could be different. The ultra-low sub-ohming + very high wattage could change the nature of the beast (on a molecule level). If this evolution starts to work against vaping, with arguments, this is better that some organizations, with the help of true science (not pharmaco-tobacco financed biased research), propose acceptable guidelines to the industry. I would never ever complain about something like this (if there is space for fun). Just the way there is a limit in any consumer product.

 

[UncleRJ]

In the end, it is whatever floats your boat of blows up your skirt.

For me, it is all about flavor.

Don't give a fig about cloud's!


Again IMHO, If I wanted to be a complete A-HOLE in public, I would go high VG and High Wattage.

Me, I pretty much stick around a 50/50 mix and under 30 watts.

That being said, I can also go out to a dinner with family and friends, vape as I will without drawing attention to my table!

 

[raymo2u]

How far do you think 30w would get me???

 

[M_set]

@VinceV1 Why do you see watts as your enemy?
First gen devices where mech mods that exploded left and right and devices with no temp control that vaporised silica in cartos.
These days the biggest breakthrough is temp control.
Harmfull molecules require high temps to be produced,it has nothing to do with watts.
Satisfying the science,playing it safe,does not go hand in hand with satisfying the public.
I could be blowing clouds and be safer than one puffing on a first gen device.
9 watts on an mvp2 can result in a much hotter coil than on 120 watts on a today's mod.
Watts alone mean nothing at all.

 

[VinceV1]

@M_set : We need, at least I need, more information. Many studies are still relating on 10 watts experiences... or not realistic dry puffs situations.

 

[M_set]

Yet on these 10 watts i remember they managed to run 8 volts through the coil,melt silica and produce all sort of nasty chemicals. "Look,vaping is bad"
None of this "scientific test" would happen on 200 watts with temp control.

 

[VinceV1]

- Totally agree with the first part.

 

[M_set]

And why do you disagree with the second? If the device has temp control,in any watts 10 or 1000 the temp will be limited to a range where none of these chemicals are produced.

 

[VinceV1]

Some studies focus on voltage, and it would be nice for them to provide a full equation in high wattage situation.

 

[UncleRJ]

How far do you think 30w would get me???

To be honest, not sure.. Most likely enough to get kicked out of your local Bob Evans Restaurant. That being said and since the food being served is sub-par at best and they are Anit-Vaping to begin with. go ahead and give it a try!
.

 

[VinceV1]

We forget something important in this high wattage question : low ohm + high wattage implies up to 5 times more eliquids (Farsalinos) ! This is where, temperature control or not, the new problem is. Total emissions are far higher.

 

[r055co]

@VinceV1 Why do you see watts as your enemy?
First gen devices where mech mods that exploded left and right and devices with no temp control that vaporised silica in cartos.
These days the biggest breakthrough is temp control.
Harmfull molecules require high temps to be produced,it has nothing to do with watts.
Satisfying the science,playing it safe,does not go hand in hand with satisfying the public.
I could be blowing clouds and be safer than one puffing on a first gen device.
9 watts on an mvp2 can result in a much hotter coil than on 120 watts on a today's mod.
Watts alone mean nothing at all.

Exploding Mech's are due to idiots.

Temp control, meh not impressed.

Harmful toxins, mostly hype with no legitimate peer reviewed science to support.

We forget something important in this high wattage question : low ohm + high wattage implies up to 5 times more eliquids (Farsalinos) ! This is where, temperature control or not, the new problem is. Total emissions are far higher.

I'll wait for the legitimate peer reviewed science and input from the likes of the Royal College of Physicians.

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[VinceV1]

We know already people are using much more eliquid than some years ago. How it's going to translate in terms of health ? We'll see.

 

[r055co]

We know already people are using much more eliquid than some years ago. How it's going to translate in terms of health ? We'll see.

Considering everything in juice is food I'm not worried. If it is harmful we'd be seeing affects from people who work in commercial kitchens

All the legit studies have shown that it's actually more dangerous to breath air than Vape.

 

[raymo2u]

If a sizable dose matters it seems to be a limited group thats affected....at least this is my theory...Gallons dont last and I feel as bright as a daisy..

 

[VinceV1]

All the legit studies have shown that it's actually more dangerous to breath air than Vape.

We don't look at the same studies... If you only take formaldehyde (you can find it using no flavor at all), a level that is not considered important, could be if it's multipled by 5. This is the kind of data we'll know more about in couple of years. This is a good reason to me, to not push the device too much.

 

[VinceV1]

If a sizable dose matters it seems to be a limited group thats affected....at least this is my theory...Gallons dont last and I feel as bright as a daisy..

From what I understand, there are very few molecules "suspected" to be carciogenic with vaping (just a few, compared to 50-60 "confirmed" in tobacco). But the level means a lot in term of toxicity. Again, we'll see in some future (at least there are public studies, and this was not the case with cigarettes decades ago, where everything was hidden by the tobacco industry).

 

[raymo2u]

From what I understand, there are very few molecules "suspected" to be carciogenic with vaping (just a few, compared to 50-60 "confirmed" in tobacco). But the level means a lot in term of toxicity. Again, we'll see in some future (at least there are public studies, and this was not the case with cigarettes decades ago, where everything was hidden by the tobacco industry).

I guess you can list me as a "heavily contaminated specimen" for further study...

 

[VinceV1]

I guess you can list me as a "heavily contaminated specimen" for further study...

The box is ready ha ha.

 

[Ryedan]

@BoomStick : I don't think 200 watts as a rule will ensure a bright future for vapers. Companies should not stop to offer new lower devices as well.

I understand where you're coming from Vince. The last couple of years I've been vaping at around 40-45 watts and still quite enjoy it. Experimented up to around 150 watts, but decided that was a bit much for me. Lately I've been lowering the power and have found a sweet spot at around 14 watts with the right gear and setup. It does reduce my juice consumption, but so far not as much as I thought it would. Still experimenting with it though.

OTOH, I'm still using mods which do 75 - 250 watts. They also do low power, some down to 1 watt

There are still tons of mods on the market in the 10 - 40 watt max range. Some are cheaper than some higher power mods, but then again my RX200's (250 watts) cost me $40 a piece so I got the ultra high watts pretty much for free. They also use three 18650's which means at 14 watts I get a whole lot of run time per charge which is nice sometimes.

People can chose what they want to buy, there are no shortage of options in low or high power mods. People can also chose to use them any way they want. Companies will develop new products they feel give them an edge in the market so they can make more money. That's mostly a good thing. The biggest risk to a bright future for vapers in the US right now is the new FDA legislation and I really don't think high power had much to do with that, it's all about politics and money.

Besides, what are we going to do about it anyway? We have no control over what companies manufacture other than with our wallets. If not enough people buy the high power gear it will stop being made so much.

I've been around the vape scene since early 2012. Good luck with trying to change how folks vape. IMO the only thing that will change the vape scene that doesn't come from legislation is solid research that indicates significant enough health issues. And that works for me