Smok alien possible problem?

[Thomaswann]

Hey I'm new here but have been vaping on mech mods for a while. I sold my mech to somebody and ended up getting a smok alien. I like the mod. I was testing it out and noticed that I can't get the mod to hit at the full 220w. It hits, but is only giving me about 6.5v when according to my setup I should be hitting about 8v. On their specs, they say that the box should hit at 8v. I should also be pulling only about 26a and I have "35a" batteries. Anything sound wrong? Just want my setup to be hitting like it should. I have dual coils, 10 wraps of 22guage kanthal a1 and its around .3 ohms. I wouldn't actually be hitting it at 220w but I would like for the mod to be able to hit it. Any suggestions?

 

[SirRichardRear]

Hey I'm new here but have been vaping on mech mods for a while. I sold my mech to somebody and ended up getting a smok alien. I like the mod. I was testing it out and noticed that I can't get the mod to hit at the full 220w. It hits, but is only giving me about 6.5v when according to my setup I should be hitting about 8v. On their specs, they say that the box should hit at 8v. I should also be pulling only about 26a and I have "35a" batteries. Anything sound wrong? Just want my setup to be hitting like it should. I have dual coils, 10 wraps of 22guage kanthal a1 and its around .3 ohms. I wouldn't actually be hitting it at 220w but I would like for the mod to be able to hit it. Any suggestions?

all mods have a volt, watt, and amp limit. if you hit any of the 3 it doesn't go higher. it's dependent on your build resistance. Ohms law doesn't apply to the battery draw on a regulated mod. the formula for that is I=P/V in general people say 75 watts per each 20 amp battery. the alien claims the limit is 8 volts which at .3 would limit you to 213 watts.

Outside of the obvious why do you need 220 watts question, i also have to ask what batteries. there are no 35 amp batteries. what batteries are you using?

 

[Thomaswann]

all mods have a volt, watt, and amp limit. if you hit any of the 3 it doesn't go higher. it's dependent on your build resistance. Ohms law doesn't apply to the battery draw on a regulated mod. the formula for that is I=P/V in general people say 75 watts per each 20 amp battery. the alien claims the limit is 8 volts which at .3 would limit you to 213 watts.

Outside of the obvious why do you need 220 watts question, i also have to ask what batteries. there are no 35 amp batteries. what batteries are you using?

I went to my local vape shop looking for purple efest batteries and they said "hey. These are the next best thing" they are the mxjo 18650s. I'm probably going to look for purple efest in the future though. And I don't plan on ever hitting it at 220w, but I just wanted to see if it would. Theoretically according to the specs, I think it should. But again, I could be wrong.

 

[Thomaswann]

I went to my local vape shop looking for purple efest batteries and they said "hey. These are the next best thing" they are the mxjo 18650s. I'm probably going to look for purple efest in the future though. And I don't plan on ever hitting it at 220w, but I just wanted to see if it would. Theoretically according to the specs, I think it should. But again, I could be wrong.

I also could not find the amp limit on the mod anywhere.

 

[SirRichardRear]

I went to my local vape shop looking for purple efest batteries and they said "hey. These are the next best thing" they are the mxjo 18650s. I'm probably going to look for purple efest in the future though. And I don't plan on ever hitting it at 220w, but I just wanted to see if it would. Theoretically according to the specs, I think it should. But again, I could be wrong.

well 1st off bad on the vape shop. efest batteries are bad as are the ones you are using. depending on which mxjo they could be a 10-20 amp battery. but they are rewrapped low grade cells. only buy sony, samsung, or LG batteries from trusted places like illumn.com liionwholesale.com or imrbatteries.com
this chart will give you all the battery info you need. DJLSB tested the alien and it tops out at about 221.7 watts so it does do the full 220 watts as advertised. he's the best technical reviewer on youtube currently.

I also could not find the amp limit on the mod anywhere.

most mods don't advertise the amp limit.

 

[Thomaswann]

well 1st off bad on the vape shop. efest batteries are bad as are the ones you are using. depending on which mxjo they could be a 10-20 amp battery. but they are rewrapped low grade cells. only buy sony, samsung, or LG batteries from trusted places like illumn.com liionwholesale.com or imrbatteries.com
this chart will give you all the battery info you need. DJLSB tested the alien and it tops out at about 221.7 watts so it does do the full 220 watts as advertised. he's the best technical reviewer on youtube currently.

most mods don't advertise the amp limit.

Thanks for that information. While I know a lot of the theoretical stuff, I don't know about the brands of batteries and didn't know the batteries I was using were crap. I guess don't always trust everyone trying to sell you something... So which battery would you specifically recommend?

 

[Thomaswann]

Thanks for that information. While I know a lot of the theoretical stuff, I don't know about the brands of batteries and didn't know the batteries I was using were crap. I guess don't always trust everyone trying to sell you something... So which battery would you specifically recommend?

Also I just looked at the mxjos I have and assume they are the 20a ones... They say 35a and then in fine print at the bottom say 20a

 

[SirRichardRear]

Thanks for that information. While I know a lot of the theoretical stuff, I don't know about the brands of batteries and didn't know the batteries I was using were crap. I guess don't always trust everyone trying to sell you something... So which battery would you specifically recommend?

samsung 30q
20 amp battery with great performance and long battery life. theoretically good for 150 watts in your alien but I've vaped them higher at times with no issue. but in general i vape under 150 watts. If you did want to vape higher i'd say the Sony VCT5a which is a 25 amp battery but has a little worse battery life. use recommened sites. illumn.com liionwholesale.com or imrbatteries.com they only cost between 4-6 per battery. probably half of what you paid at the vape shop for those ones

and to be perfectly honest, i doubt the guy at the vape shop has any idea how mislabeled batteries are.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Also I just looked at the mxjos I have and assume they are the 20a ones... They say 35a and then in fine print at the bottom say 20a

you can find the testing on this list
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
without seeing the label of the batteries i can't tell you which on it is

 

[Thomaswann]

samsung 30q
20 amp battery with great performance and long battery life. theoretically good for 150 watts in your alien but I've vaped them higher at times with no issue. but in general i vape under 150 watts. If you did want to vape higher i'd say the Sony VCT5a which is a 25 amp battery but has a little worse battery life. use recommened sites. illumn.com liionwholesale.com or imrbatteries.com they only cost between 4-6 per battery. probably half of what you paid at the vape shop for those ones

and to be perfectly honest, i doubt the guy at the vape shop has any idea how mislabeled batteries are.

Thanks. I typically vape around 60w to 80w, not 220w so I should be in good shape then with the Samsung. But with prices like that I might just buy a few sets... Lol

 

[SirRichardRear]

Thanks. I typically vape around 60w to 80w, not 220w so I should be in good shape then with the Samsung. But with prices like that I might just buy a few sets... Lol

yeah and they give you a free battery case with every pair you order (illumn.com) i usually order in sets of 4 and pay under 30 every time. where my B&M charges 13 bucks for an AWT battery and no free cases lol

 

[MrScaryZ]

all mods have a volt, watt, and amp limit. if you hit any of the 3 it doesn't go higher. it's dependent on your build resistance. Ohms law doesn't apply to the battery draw on a regulated mod. the formula for that is I=P/V in general people say 75 watts per each 20 amp battery. the alien claims the limit is 8 volts which at .3 would limit you to 213 watts.

Outside of the obvious why do you need 220 watts question, i also have to ask what batteries. there are no 35 amp batteries. what batteries are you using?

Yes Ohms law always applies my friend I am a big confused on why you think that it does not it always applies period the device will not Allow you to go higher but Ohms law applies always this is not debatable

 

[SirRichardRear]

Yes Ohms law always applies my friend I am a big confused on why you think that it does not it always applies period the device will not Allow you to go higher but Ohms law applies always this is not debatable

I never said that. Ohms law doesn't apply on regulated devices in regards to the amperage draw on the batteries since they use a DC-DC convertor. To calculate amp draw on a battery you don't use ohms law. you don't use resistance at all. You use I=P/V. You do use ohms law in regards to the limits of the board itself. The board acts as the batteries for all intents and purposes. It's 2 different scenarios.

If you use ohms law on a regulated device to figure out the amp draw from your batteries your calculations will be way off and you won't be as safe as you think. You are forgetting to account for the DC-DC convertor.

 

[Eggen]

I think using the term "ohms law does not apply" is a bit confusing as it can easily be mis interpreted to be saying that amp draw does not matter in a regulated device. You are technically correct though.

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[SirRichardRear]

I think using the term "ohms law does not apply" is a bit confusing as it can easily be mis interpreted to be saying that anp draw does not matter in a regulated device. You are technically correct though.

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how about ohms law isn't the correct formula to use to calculate the amp draw on batteries in a regulated device?

that sounds a little better