Help with Recoil RDA

[Madlool]

I am new to RDAs, the recoil is my first RDA. The hits tastes kinda dry. I am sure I am using the right amout of cotton (just a bit of resistance without it moving the coil when I slide it throw). I am also sure that the cotton is saturated and the juice well underneath has juice in it. I am using a 21 AWG SS wire at 0.14 ohms with 11 wraps I think.
I have also tried an SS staggered fused wire as well, similar dry taste/after taste when I hit it.

What am I doing wrong? Any suggestions are appreciated

 

[SirRichardRear]

I am new to RDAs, the recoil is my first RDA. The hits tastes kinda dry. I am sure I am using the right amout of cotton (just a bit of resistance without it moving the coil when I slide it throw). I am also sure that the cotton is saturated and the juice well underneath has juice in it. I am using a 21 AWG SS wire at 0.14 ohms with 11 wraps I think.
I have also tried an SS staggered fused wire as well, similar dry taste/after taste when I hit it.

What am I doing wrong? Any suggestions are appreciated

sounds like a hot spot. did u make sure to remove all the hot spots before wicking?

 

[Madlool]

sounds like a hot spot. did u make sure to remove all the hot spots before wicking?

Yes I did. As I always do before wicking.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Yes I did. As I always do before wicking.

did you clean the RDA first? alot of attys have machine oil on them. it's always advisable to clean them before building on them or you can get a funny taste

 

[Madlool]

did you clean the RDA first? alot of attys have machine oil on them. it's always advisable to clean them before building on them or you can get a funny taste

Yes sir I did. Besides, I have been using it for a few days now. It's very weird, my griffin 25 plus rta tastes better than this. Isn't an RDA like the recoil give me better flavor not worse?

 

[MrScaryZ]

I am new to RDAs, the recoil is my first RDA. The hits tastes kinda dry. I am sure I am using the right amout of cotton (just a bit of resistance without it moving the coil when I slide it throw). I am also sure that the cotton is saturated and the juice well underneath has juice in it. I am using a 21 AWG SS wire at 0.14 ohms with 11 wraps I think.
I have also tried an SS staggered fused wire as well, similar dry taste/after taste when I hit it.

What am I doing wrong? Any suggestions are appreciated

take some pictures of your build so everyone can assist better. to increase flavor your lessen airflow you will need to restrict the airflow

 

[SirRichardRear]

Yes sir I did. Besides, I have been using it for a few days now. It's very weird, my griffin 25 plus rta tastes better than this. Isn't an RDA like the recoil give me better flavor not worse?

it's all subjective and build based. personally IMO most of the best RTAs can compete with RDAs for sure.
Plus the recoil is a side air RDA, bottom air usually gives the best flavor. the griffin 25 plus has bottom airflow. I don't have a recoil but my griffin 25 plus gives me better flavor then most side air attys including the goon

 

[VaporCarp]

it's all subjective and build based. personally IMO most of the best RTAs can compete with RDAs for sure.
Plus the recoil is a side air RDA, bottom air usually gives the best flavor. the griffin 25 plus has bottom airflow. I don't have a recoil but my griffin 25 plus gives me better flavor then most side air attys including the goon

Cmon dude

 

[SirRichardRear]

Cmon dude

not sure what you are referring to?

 

[Madlool]

http://imgur.com/a/exD1Y here are some pictures of my current build.

 

[skt239]

Might be your coil placement. Have tried mounting them straight across?

 

[Madlool]

Might be your coil placement. Have tried mounting them straight across?

Yes I did. same result. I only have them this way to avoid spitback.

 

[SirRichardRear]

http://imgur.com/a/exD1Y here are some pictures of my current build.

coils need to be straightened out and raised up a bit IMO

 

[skt239]

not sure what you are referring to?

I'm guessing its the bit about the Griffin 25 having better flavor than a the Goon. I have a Griffin 22 and the flavor does not even come close to the Goon's. Maybe the 25 is better?

 

[Justin89]

That's a lot of wraps for that rda. Might be too much heat and not enough airflow. Recoil is pretty tight imo. I would try some 24g ss316 at about 8 wraps on a 3mm bit. Maybe run it at about 55w. Can always try some fused claptons if that doesn't work.

 

[Justin89]

Gotta get those hot spots out! Also when your dry burning your ss wire keep your watts to a minimum.

 

[Madlool]

coils need to be straightened out and raised up a bit IMO

I had them straight before in my previous builds, but it was still the same problem. I will try again none the less and see.

 

[Madlool]

That's a lot of wraps for that rda. Might be too much heat and not enough airflow. Recoil is pretty tight imo. I would try some 24g ss316 at about 8 wraps on a 3mm bit. Maybe run it at about 55w. Can always try some fused claptons if that doesn't work.

I have fused claptons 28 cores with 32 kanthal a1. Would that work? how many wraps would you recommend?

 

[SirRichardRear]

I'm guessing its the bit about the Griffin 25 having better flavor than a the Goon. I have a Griffin 22 and the flavor does not even come close to the Goon's. Maybe the 25 is better?

25 plus is probably much better then the 22. i didn't have the 22 or 25 though. only the 25 plus
If that's the case, it's just my opinion. and OP felt the same way too. Not saying it's a law or fact or anything but in general you usually get better flavor from bottom airflow then you do from side or top. not saying you can't get good flavor from a side airflow. goon does have good flavor, as does the RDTA box, supreme, aromamizer plus, Modfather RTA, velocity v2, all side air flow. just raise the coils up a bit to be under the air. it's kinda been well known for a while. that's why everyone loved the kennedy RDA cause the "kennedy air flow" it's still considered one of the best flavor RDAs. it's perfectly fine to have a different opinion. nobody is wrong, we just like different stuff. it's what makes vaping great something for everyone. I'm just trying to help OP out here. no reason for things to get sidetracked

 

[SirRichardRear]

I had them straight before in my previous builds, but it was still the same problem. I will try again none the less and see.

try to get the coils a little above the airflow

also that's a really thick wire you are using. meaning it's gonna remain hot for a while after you are done pressing the button and cook your juice. just something to think about

 

[Madlool]

try to get the coils a little above the airflow

also that's a really thick wire you are using. meaning it's gonna remain hot for a while after you are done pressing the button and cook your juice. just something to think about

Would a fused clapton 28 core with 32 kanthal be better?

 

[skt239]

I agree, from my experience bottom air flow is consistently better but in RDA's. I have never used a tank that matched my favorite RDA's for flavor. Maybe I'm just used to the coil to drip trip proximity? I'm just not a tank guy, be it RDTA's or RTA's.

 

[skt239]

Would a fused clapton 28 core with 32 kanthal be better?

Might as well just try. At this point I think everyone is just guessing.

 

[Justin89]

Yes, try 6 wraps

 

[Justin89]

Almost positive it's just too much heat in that tiny space with 21g. 24 is the biggest I would go. 26g if your using fused claptons.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Would a fused clapton 28 core with 32 kanthal be better?

doesn't hurt to try it

 

[SirRichardRear]

I agree, from my experience bottom air flow is consistently better but in RDA's. I have never used a tank that matched my favorite RDA's for flavor. Maybe I'm just used to the coil to drip trip proximity? I'm just not a tank guy, be it RDTA's or RTA's.

it's all relative. lots of factors in play. the design of the chimney cap, the size of the chimney cap, the size of the chimney, the air and the build. The pharaoh to me is still the best flavor atty I've used, but i can get pretty close in some RTAs
I think thats why the popularity of the RDTA and the RDTA boxes and sqounking. you can have the RDA type flavor but with a reserve of juice so you don't have to drip. the ijoy RDTA box for me gives flavor as good as the goon (the RDA on top is very similar in design) plus it has different decks so i can use a good deck, velocity deck, postless deck etc and have 12.6ml of juice all for the same price as an authentic goon lol

 

[SirRichardRear]

Almost positive it's just too much heat in that tiny space with 21g. 24 is the biggest I would go. 26g if your using fused claptons.

this could be very true as well

 

[MrScaryZ]

I have fused claptons 28 cores with 32 kanthal a1. Would that work? how many wraps would you recommend?

claptons can give better flavor this is something to consider as well as rethink your cotton its a bit much if you have it too tight as well this can decrease flavor

 

[skt239]

Looking more closely at the pics, it looks like you might have too much cotton under the coils. There needs to be room for air to travel. Sorry if its just the angle I'm looking at or if its already been mentioned.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Looking more closely at the pics, it looks like you might have too much cotton under the coils. There needs to be room for air to travel. Sorry if its just the angle I'm looking at or if its already been mentioned.

haha beat ya to it

 

[skt239]

haha beat ya to it

Dang looks like you did

Great mind think alike. Yours is just a bit quicker than mine

 

[MrScaryZ]

Dang looks like you did

Great mind think alike. Yours is just a bit quicker than mine

not really lately I am in slow mode ;0

 

[Madlool]

Ill give it a try and report back. Thanks everyone for the help!

 

[skt239]

Good luck. Hope it works out for you. Seems like the it's a nice RDA that checks all the right boxes.

 

[HellbillyRJ]

http://imgur.com/a/exD1Y here are some pictures of my current build.

Did you prime your cotton to get rid of the cotton taste before vaping it? Juice it and fire it for a few seconds, I leave the cap off to ensure vapor production. Then lightly rejuie before vaping it.

"Some people call me a redneck, and some people call me a hick, some people call me an asshole, and some people call me just dick. I'm a hellbilly."

HellbillyRJ

 

[Madlool]

http://imgur.com/a/Jzl7m

Here are a couple of pictures from the new build. Still the same problem. These are fused claptons, 32 wrapped around 28 cores kanthal. like 6 wraps at 0.34 ohms. I am running at around 60 Watts.

 

[skt239]

http://imgur.com/a/Jzl7m

Here are a couple of pictures from the new build. Still the same problem. These are fused claptons, 32 wrapped around 28 cores kanthal. like 6 wraps at 0.34 ohms. I am running at around 60 Watts.

I'm at a loss. This might sound pointless but have you tried switching out the installed screws with the spares? I'm really reaching over here.

 

[Johnny VapeStand]

I don't have a recoil but my griffin 25 plus gives me better flavor then most side air attys including the goon

Wow - As much as you like to do reviews, I can't understand how you could possible believe this is true?

 

[Madlool]

I'm at a loss. This might sound pointless but have you tried switching out the installed screws with the spares? I'm really reaching over here.

I feel the same, this is really weird. I can't see how that could help but I could try. I am really disappointed with this RDA that everyone else seem to be loving.

 

[Johnny VapeStand]

http://imgur.com/a/exD1Y here are some pictures of my current build.

http://imgur.com/a/Jzl7m

Here are a couple of pictures from the new build. Still the same problem.

The problem is you don't have any airflow going to your coils. There needs to be airspace completely around the coil(s) to be effective. Your pics show that the bottom sections are blocked by too much cotton and juice.

Here's a pic of how they should be wicked:

 

[Madlool]

The problem is you don't have any airflow going to your coils. There needs to be airspace completely around the coil(s) to be effective. Your pics show that the bottom sections are blocked by too much cotton and juice.

Here's a pic of how they should be wicked:

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Thanks! that is solid advice, I cut the cotton a bit and cleared the juice from under the coils and it got better but it's not all gone. There some dryness still. I mean I expect an RDA to be alot better than this.

 

[Hank F. Spankman]

Wow - As much as you like to do reviews, I can't understand how you could possible believe this is true?

Dear god, the almighty couldn't be wrong. That's just not fucking possible

 

[Johnny VapeStand]

Dear god, the almighty couldn't be wrong. That's just not fucking possible

From what I've read in my short time here, he appears to be a legend in his own mind.

 

[Johnny VapeStand]

Thanks! that is solid advice, I cut the cotton a bit and cleared the juice from under the coils and it got better but it's not all gone. There some dryness still. I mean I expect an RDA to be alot better than this.

Can you take a new photo?

 

[Hank F. Spankman]

From what I've read in my short time here, he appears to be a legend in his own mind.

Well, welcome to VU! I'm glad someone else can see through the BS

 

[f1r3b1rd]

From what I've read in my short time here, he appears to be a legend in his own mind.

Welcome to VU
And it's nice to see some of the newer folks can see through it.

Nice build BTW

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[Madlool]

Can you take a new photo?

Sure. Here http://imgur.com/a/djc3l

Also, do you think using 21 gauge SS is a bad idea?

 

[f1r3b1rd]

This is how I have mine built - ignore the old cotton. Lol

I put the coil above the positive block and below the top of the negatives and let the cotton just touch the deck.
I try and think of it as air coming into the airslots and then wrapping around the coil

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[Johnny VapeStand]

Sure. Here http://imgur.com/a/djc3l

That actually looks pretty good. As long as the airflow holes are directly pointed at the center of the coil(s), you should be getting excellent flavor. By having them centered, the air can flow evenly over and under the coil(s).