E juice became harsh after few days of steeping

[terminator]

I made a single flavour Tiramius (flavour art) at 3.5% in 70/30 vg/pg and 3mg nic it was okay when I first made it but after a few days of steeping its become too harsh on throat.what went wrong?? Any suggestions

And one thing for flavour mixing I didn't use syringe I used flavour arts own needle dropper bottle (orange lid )which I read at different sites is 60 drops per ml. So I have used 52 drops for 25ml make.

Thanks


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[Markw4mms]

FA Tiramisu is very strong, I have a recipe for a Tiramisu cheesecake that is stout using it at only .5%. I would suggest cutting it back to no more than 1% and see how you like it. It's easier to add a tiny bit more if needed.

 

[Heabob]

I made a single flavour Tiramius (flavour art) at 3.5% in 70/30 vg/pg and 3mg nic it was okay when I first made it but after a few days of steeping its become too harsh on throat.what went wrong?? Any suggestions

And one thing for flavour mixing I didn't use syringe I used flavour arts own needle dropper bottle (orange lid )which I read at different sites is 60 drops per ml. So I have used 52 drops for 25ml make.

Thanks


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Yup, way too strong for that one.
Harder to measure drops accurately especially when using smaller amounts of the stronger flavors.
A cheapo scale really helps with this.
My average drops are usually 3 drops = 0.5%, or 5-6 drops = 1%, with some variation.
This is when using a 15ml bottle, or batch size.

Like Mark said, 1% is usually plenty strong and even may be too much for some.
If you're mixing in other things like creams and such, 1% is a good staring point.
If using stand alone 0.5% would be a good starting point.

 

[Angrygod50]

I find that at 1% Tiramisu FA to be too strong for my taste. I usually use 0.5 in a mix.
If your going to mix a lot get a scale, Amazon has them for 30 bucks or so and get one that reads down to 0.01 gram.
Evan a syringe is more accurate than drops.

 

[terminator]

Yup, way too strong for that one.
Harder to measure drops accurately especially when using smaller amounts of the stronger flavors.
A cheapo scale really helps with this.
My average drops are usually 3 drops = 0.5%, or 5-6 drops = 1%, with some variation.
This is when using a 15ml bottle, or batch size.

Like Mark said, 1% is usually plenty strong and even may be too much for some.
If you're mixing in other things like creams and such, 1% is a good staring point.
If using stand alone 0.5% would be a good starting point.

But the suggested percentage on most of the websites is 3 to 4% for standalone mix.

 

[Angrygod50]

But the suggested percentage on most of the websites is 3 to 4% for standalone mix.

And hows that 3.5% working out for you.

 

[terminator]

And hows that 3.5% working out for you.

May be i have miscalculated the drop calculation and made it a lot higher than 3.5%. What do you think did i calculated right because according to my calculation 6 drops is 1% in 10ml whereas according Heabob 5-6 drops is 1% for 15ml.

 

[Markw4mms]

May be i have miscalculated the drop calculation and made it a lot higher than 3.5%. What do you think did i calculated right because according to my calculation 6 drops is 1% in 10ml whereas according Heabob 5-6 drops is 1% for 15ml.

It could be a slight miscalculation, but I doubt it. FA Tiramisu is just that strong. The suggested percentage quite often is an average of what most of their flavors need in a mix, some you will need more, (even though I rarely use more than 4-5% of anything FA in a mix) and some you will use a lot less. It all boils down to how your taste buds react to a given flavor, some folks are more sensitive to a given flavor than others. DIY is a big trial and error learning curve which is why we always recommend doing small trial batches.

 

[terminator]

It could be a slight miscalculation, but I doubt it. FA Tiramisu is just that strong. The suggested percentage quite often is an average of what most of their flavors need in a mix, some you will need more, (even though I rarely use more than 4-5% of anything FA in a mix) and some you will use a lot less. It all boils down to how your taste buds react to a given flavor, some folks are more sensitive to a given flavor than others. DIY is a big trial and error learning curve which is why we always recommend doing small trial batches.

Will 1% be enough should i make larger batch or try 5 or 10ml first.

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[Markw4mms]

Will 1% be enough should i make larger batch or try 5 or 10ml first.

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I would suggest starting with .5% in either 5 or 10ml whichever you feel would be best for you. If it's not strong enough, you can add a bit more flavoring, but I highly doubt you'll need more than 1% even as a stand alone. Keep in mind that adding flavor to your mix will alter the PG/VG ratio a little, but not enough to really matter. Let us know how it turns out for you. Good luck, and welcome to the wonderful world of DIY.

 

[terminator]

I would suggest starting with .5% in either 5 or 10ml whichever you feel would be best for you. If it's not strong enough, you can add a bit more flavoring, but I highly doubt you'll need more than 1% even as a stand alone. Keep in mind that adding flavor to your mix will alter the PG/VG ratio a little, but not enough to really matter. Let us know how it turns out for you. Good luck, and welcome to the wonderful world of DIY.

Thanks and one more thing that when i prepared it last time it was ok for few days but when i tried today it was harsh. I made the last one on 21 feb 2017. So when should i tried the new batch after preparing ?

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[Markw4mms]

Most stand-alone flavors are shake and vape but I've found that most anything with creams/custards, etc need some steep time. I'll try most anything I mix right away, and if it seems rough around the edges so to speak, I'll give it a few days to a week and try it again. If it's still not right, I'll either let it steep another few days or alter the recipe and try again.

 

[bobnat]

I made a single flavour Tiramius (flavour art) at 3.5%

This guy also mixed it at 3.5%.

 

[Markw4mms]

This guy also mixed it at 3.5%.

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[gopher_byrd]

Go here: http://www.hicsmixes.com/notes-etc.html for HICs notes on FA flavors. Well worth the time it takes to read it if you mix with FA flavors.

 

[RonJS]

But the suggested percentage on most of the websites is 3 to 4% for standalone mix.

Well heck, in that case read...

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/finding-the-problem-when-your-diy-tastes-bad.88262/

Good Luck!

Ron
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"The beautiful thing about learning is nobody can take it away from you."- B. B. King

 

[martnargh]

I do all my mixing by counting drops, which isn't ideal but I'm lazy and it works for me. All my mixes come out fine, for 1% it's usually 6 drops in 30ml bottles..... 52 drops is almost 9% on 30ml but for the 25ml you did 52 drops is more like 12% (rough calculation, like I said I'm lazy)....
You blasted the shit out of that flavor lol.

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[terminator]

I do all my mixing by counting drops, which isn't ideal but I'm lazy and it works for me. All my mixes come out fine, for 1% it's usually 6 drops in 30ml bottles..... 52 drops is almost 9% on 30ml but for the 25ml you did 52 drops is more like 12% (rough calculation, like I said I'm lazy)....
You blasted the shit out of that flavor lol.

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But you must be talking about bigger dropper bottles because the one that comes with FA's bottles are needle ones.

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[Markw4mms]

But you must be talking about bigger dropper bottles because the one that comes with FA's bottles are needle ones.

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Well, if you're serious about going DIY, most of us would highly suggest you getting a set of scales and mixing by weight. Going that route you don't need to worry about what kind of dropper bottle you have. PG based flavors are universally calculated to be 1gr per ml. Mixing by weight is easier, faster, cleaner, and way more consistent. I recommend the LB-501 by American Weigh Scales, it can be found online for around $25. Whatever brand you go with, make sure it measures down to .01gr.

 

[Heabob]

But the suggested percentage on most of the websites is 3 to 4% for standalone mix.

Which is why I don't look at those recommended flavor use charts.
Some of the flavors/brands may be close, but many are too high IMO.
Much like trying to use INW Raspberry, Cherry, FA Espresso, and some of the Blackberries at 3-4%.
The results may not be harshness, but they might just taste nasty, or have a chemical taste.

If your measuring is off you may be getting more NIC than you think.
Especially if you're using 100mg per ml NIC base for mixing.
This is usually the main reason for harshness, and some batches of NIC have more TH than others.

 

[terminator]

Which is why I don't look at those recommended flavor use charts.
Some of the flavors/brands may be close, but many are too high IMO.
Much like trying to use INW Raspberry, Cherry, FA Espresso, and some of the Blackberries at 3-4%.
The results may not be harshness, but they might just taste nasty, or have a chemical taste.

If your measuring is off you may be getting more NIC than you think.
Especially if you're using 100mg per ml NIC base for mixing.
This is usually the main reason for harshness, and some batches of NIC have more TH than others.

But I used syringe for nicotine after calculating with e-juice calculator.

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[Heabob]

But I used syringe for nicotine after calculating with e-juice calculator.

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Oh good, I thought maybe you were using drops for measuring the NIC.

I assume you've made other juice that was not harsh then?
And that it's not a newly recieved batch of NIC?

Only other thing I could think of is the NIC may have had hot spots, more common with high VG.
Usually from not shaking good enough and/or too cold to blend well.

Other than that, sometimes older, oxidized NIC can become more harsh over time.

Could be just too much flavoring after all though.

 

[terminator]

Oh good, I thought maybe you were using drops for measuring the NIC.

I assume you've made other juice that was not harsh then?
And that it's not a newly recieved batch of NIC?

Only other thing I could think of is the NIC may have had hot spots, more common with high VG.
Usually from not shaking good enough and/or too cold to blend well.

Other than that, sometimes older, oxidized NIC can become more harsh over time.

Could be just too much flavoring after all though.

Yes I had tried it before I think I used 6mg or 8mg don't remember the exact percentage I used at that time but with consuming half tank I got a strong buzz and a strange feeling that's why I was using 3mg. I smoke cigarettes too used to smoke Dunhill international but now have switched to Dunhill lights and have never ever felt that buzz that I got from the batch of Diy ejuice I made earlier even if had chained smoked ciggrattes.

I think Diy isn't for me almost all the batches that I have prepared had some problems the earlier ones I made using TPA flavouring where low in flavour and now with Flavourarts flavouring they r strong don't know what to do.

About Nicotine I am actually not sure if its fine or not. Is there any way I can check if the nicotine that I have is okay and while adding nicotine in my mixes I haven't shaked it before use I thought it was not necessary.

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[bobnat]

I think Diy isn't for me almost all the batches that I have prepared had some problems the earlier ones I made using TPA flavouring where low in flavour and now with Flavourarts flavouring they r strong don't know what to do.

You don't know what to do? Seriously? Do you think anyone starts DIY and just makes good juice? Try learning. Put some time and effort into it, that's what it takes to succeed at anything. Everything you need to learn to mix is on the net...for free.

 

[Angrygod50]

What bobnat said, it's a learning curve. The best advice is to find a recipe you like and mix it up. This is a good one
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hics-xtra-smooth-tiramisu-cream.1962/
Buy what you need and mix it up. The creams in this recipe are also good ones for a lot of other recipes.

Trying to mix on your own is always going to lead to frustration until you learn what and how others are doing it.
The best home cooks learn from there mothers, the best mixers learn from those who came before.
I had many a bad mix before I wised up, thanks to Heabob, Squonk, HIC and others on this site.

 

[Heabob]

About Nicotine I am actually not sure if its fine or not. Is there any way I can check if the nicotine that I have is okay and while adding nicotine in my mixes I haven't shaked it before use I thought it was not necessary.

Yup, gotta shake NIC AND flavorings before use, and after mixing.

You can try making a batch without any NIC, by just using flavors, and PG/VG.
You can also make a batch with just NIC, and no flavoring to test for harshness.
Use process of elimination to help find the problems.
Don't be afraid to try other brands of flavors like CAP & INW.

One thing about DIY is that it requires patience, persistence, and time.
Some flavors you will like, and some you will hate.
And probably will end up liking one X brand flavor better than Y brand flavor.
DIY is more of a long term hobby and not really just a quick fix.
Gonna end up with many, many more flavors over time if you stay in it.

Look for some simple recipes around here you think might interest you.
Easier to use a recipe when starting out, before you try to "wing it" from scratch.
Decide if you want "fruit types", or "bakery", or "tobacco", etc.

Once you've got some flavors in your stash many here willing to help you make something maybe.

 

[terminator]

Yup, gotta shake NIC AND flavorings before use, and after mixing.

You can try making a batch without any NIC, by just using flavors, and PG/VG.
You can also make a batch with just NIC, and no flavoring to test for harshness.
Use process of elimination to help find the problems.
Don't be afraid to try other brands of flavors like CAP & INW.

One thing about DIY is that it requires patience, persistence, and time.
Some flavors you will like, and some you will hate.
And probably will end up liking one X brand flavor better than Y brand flavor.
DIY is more of a long term hobby and not really just a quick fix.
Gonna end up with many, many more flavors over time if you stay in it.

Look for some simple recipes around here you think might interest you.
Easier to use a recipe when starting out, before you try to "wing it" from scratch.
Decide if you want "fruit types", or "bakery", or "tobacco", etc.

Once you've got some flavors in your stash many here willing to help you make something maybe.

Thanks Headob for such helpful replies will try another mix lets see how this will come.

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[Vapin-Dave]

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You can also make a batch with just NIC, and no flavoring to test for harshness.
.....

Just wanted to clarify. I'm sure that you mean NIC, PG and VG correct? I thought if he hasn't done much research he may think you meant the NIC without anything else and that may not be fun!

Ah ... I just realized that you also said 'BATCH' so I'm sure it was all understood correctly. LOL

 

[Markw4mms]

Yup, gotta shake NIC AND flavorings before use, and after mixing.

And don't forget to shake your juice before filling a tank or RDA for that matter!

 

[Heabob]

he may think you meant the NIC without anything else and that may not be fun!

That would be harsh for sure

 

[MrScaryZ]

May be i have miscalculated the drop calculation and made it a lot higher than 3.5%. What do you think did i calculated right because according to my calculation 6 drops is 1% in 10ml whereas according Heabob 5-6 drops is 1% for 15ml.

Again do not go over .5 to 1% Tiramisu can get real nasty at anything above