Non Smoker Vaping.

[JacobVape101]

Ok so this is my first post and I made my account to ask this question, Whats all your guys opinion on people who have never smoked in there life but have taken up vaping (no nicotine)....

I now vape and have never smoked before and the reason I do it simply for pleasure, I just find in relaxing and enjoyable, and I enjoy the process of Wrapping coils,DIY ejuice mixing, etc... Also, I know that I would be able to stop vaping today and feel fine never picking up a Mod ever again, but why should I? I enjoy it, and I'm of legal age.. So basically whats all your guys opinion on this?

(EDIT: I vape without nicotine also just to clarify.)

Jake.

 

[UncleRJ]

Glad to hear that you are not using nicotine.

But just plain old air is still better than vaping IMHO.

 

[SMOKIE]

Ok so this is my first post and I made my account to ask this question, Whats all your guys opinion on people who have never smoked in there life but have taken up vaping (no nicotine)....

I now vape and have never smoked before and the reason I do it simply for pleasure, I just find in relaxing and enjoyable, and I enjoy the process of Wrapping coils,DIY ejuice mixing, etc... Also, I know that I would be able to stop vaping today and feel fine never picking up a Mod ever again, but why should I? I enjoy it, and I'm of legal age.. So basically whats all your guys opinion on this? Jake.

Most who picked up vaping who never smoked are young people who think it's cool blowing all that vapor. But if you never smoked why start using nicotine then, you do not need it. Guess it beats a boring WI-FI Party, lol

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Even if you s tarted vaping at 12mg, it is your life, why should I care...

People that smoke at one time never smoked....I'm fine with someone starting to vape w/out them having to "put time in" as a smoker first

 

[AndriaD]

Ok so this is my first post and I made my account to ask this question, Whats all your guys opinion on people who have never smoked in there life but have taken up vaping (no nicotine)....

I now vape and have never smoked before and the reason I do it simply for pleasure, I just find in relaxing and enjoyable, and I enjoy the process of Wrapping coils,DIY ejuice mixing, etc... Also, I know that I would be able to stop vaping today and feel fine never picking up a Mod ever again, but why should I? I enjoy it, and I'm of legal age.. So basically whats all your guys opinion on this? Jake.

I don't have a problem with ANYTHING legal that a legal adult does for pleasure, but others seem to want to dictate that non-smokers SHALL NOT VAPE, getting all control-freaky about it -- especially with those who DO use nicotine.

I look at it this way: anyone who would choose to vape, in ANY fashion, might decide to try smoking, if vaping wasn't available; anyone who TRIES smoking is at high risk for becoming an addicted smoker, and speaking as one who smoked for 39 yrs and tried for more than 30 yrs to shuck that godawful addiction, ANY VAPING IS BETTER THAN ANY SMOKING, PERIOD.

And I am not even sure that "plain old air" really IS better, since plain old air has a TON of pollutants these days, and PG is an anti-microbial.

But, be aware that there are plenty who'll want to rain on your parade; some people just hate the thought of others enjoying anything, and that group is not confined to smoker-haters and vape-haters.

If you enjoy it... VAPE ON!!!

Andria

 

[JacobVape101]

Glad to hear that you are not using nicotine.

But just plain old air is still better than vaping IMHO.

That is a fair point, But there are a lot of smokers out there who don't want to give up smoking because they still enjoy it, So why not the same with vaping?

 

[PhantomOp]

To my "kid" lecture --- yes, I have kids.

1) Don't smoke cigarettes.
2) Don't vape

3) Since your going to do one of the two anyways, please vape on. Here, take a tug off mine while I watch you choke the first few times.

I have a 16yr old daughter that decided it was "cool" to "try" smoking with her friends... I won't go into what "smoking" was entailing. She now vapes and hasn't "smoked" with her friends since. --- I WIN! Yes, there are rules that come with that "privilege" at 16 years old. She abides by the rules she is "allowed" to vape.

 

[gakudzu]

I don't have a problem with it. Enjoy what freedom you can, while you can.

 

[celticluvr]

I don't have a problem with it. I mean its none of my business anyway. Vaping is so much better and safer than smoking and if we didn't have vapes than more people would try smoking instead of vaping.

 

[JuicyLucy]

There are a lot worse things you can do to relax - go for it if you are a grown up and free to make your own decisions about your life

 

[pulsevape]

what's the point of vaping without nicotine....and if you don't use nicotine why start.....smokers never smoked for the "pleasure" of smoking they smoked for the drugs in tobacco....vaping without nicotine is like smoking lettuce....

 

[pizzadave80]

Ok so this is my first post and I made my account to ask this question, Whats all your guys opinion on people who have never smoked in there life but have taken up vaping (no nicotine)....

I now vape and have never smoked before and the reason I do it simply for pleasure, I just find in relaxing and enjoyable, and I enjoy the process of Wrapping coils,DIY ejuice mixing, etc... Also, I know that I would be able to stop vaping today and feel fine never picking up a Mod ever again, but why should I? I enjoy it, and I'm of legal age.. So basically whats all your guys opinion on this?

(EDIT: I vape without nicotine also just to clarify.)

Jake.

Hi Jacob. I'm the same as you. I started vaping because I'm a bit of a hobbyist. I used to chew tobacco and when my life got a. It stressful I thought I'd vaoe instead of chewing. I now vape 0 nic most of the time but sometimes have a little nicotine....but I am not addicted to it at all.

I enjoy ..the building...the machining done to tanks/rdas....the technology.... and most of all...the vape community..

And i love having a little vapy treat after a meal.

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[cvcrcr99]

what's the point of vaping without nicotine....and if you don't use nicotine why start.....smokers never smoked for the "pleasure" of smoking they smoked for the drugs in tobacco....vaping without nicotine is like smoking lettuce....

how does one get hooked on nicotine if they have never smoked? I believe your logic is flawed. If one has never had the "drugs" in "tobacco", then why does one need it?

 

[pulsevape]

how does one get hooked on nicotine if they have never smoked? I believe your logic is flawed. If one has never had the "drugs" in "tobacco", then why does one need it?

WTF...did you ever smoke? You can get get addicted to nicotine from vaping it from chewing it from snorting it...or from smoking it.....If had my choice I'd rather my kid ddin't smoke or vape, even if she was just vaping 0 nic..nothing is good for your lungs but air.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

WTF...did you ever smoke? You can get get addicted to nicotine from vaping it from chewing it from snorting it...or from smoking it.....If had my choice I'd rather my kid ddin't smoke or vape, even if she was just vaping 0 nic..nothing is good for your lungs but air.

except there is no proof nicotine by itself is addictive

 

[AndriaD]

how does one get hooked on nicotine if they have never smoked? I believe your logic is flawed. If one has never had the "drugs" in "tobacco", then why does one need it?

One cannot get "hooked" on nicotine if one has never smoked. One *might* establish a slight dependency because of the vasoconstrictive effects, much like with caffeine, but that would mean discontinuing it would cause nothing but a slight to moderate headache.

I suppose one might also notice some fuzziness/fogginess, and perhaps a bad mood, due to nicotine's ability to organize the neurotransmitters... but that's still a very long way from full-on withdrawal.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

except there is no proof nicotine by itself is addictive

In fact there's considerable evidence that it's not -- because of research of nicotine's effects for various conditions; once the test is completed, the participants don't start jonesing for a cigarette, nic gum, or a patch.

Andria

 

[cvcrcr99]

WTF...did you ever smoke? You can get get addicted to nicotine from vaping it from chewing it from snorting it...or from smoking it.....If had my choice I'd rather my kid ddin't smoke or vape, even if she was just vaping 0 nic..nothing is good for your lungs but air.

You aren't understanding my point. Why smoke if you've never done it? If you have never done it, then why would someone need the drugs from tobacco?

And to answer your question, yes, for 10 years. I didn't get "hooked" on the "drugs" until I started smoking myself. Using your logic, I started smoking cigs because I craved the drugs in tobacco, even though I've never had them.

 

[AndriaD]

You aren't understanding my point. Why smoke if you've never done it? If you have never done it, then why would someone need the drugs from tobacco?

And to answer your question, yes, for 10 years. I didn't get "hooked" on the "drugs" until I started smoking myself. Using your logic, I started smoking cigs because I craved the drugs in tobacco, even though I've never had them.

Given that most who start smoking start when they're very young, often teens, it probably has more to do with peer pressure and the desire to look "cool" and grownup than anything else. Also it's been shown that children of smokers are at least 50% more likely to smoke, than children of non-smokers; probably because they're accustomed to it, it doesn't seem like a radical thing to do.

Adults who start smoking may succumb to the same peer pressures, or they're simply bored, have heard that smoking is relaxing, helps you focus, lose weight, etc. It's a legal drug that has profound effects on the brain and physiology, and some are simply more vulnerable to that sort of influence than others.

I craved alcohol years before I started drinking, but then, I'm an alcoholic -- thankfully a recovering one now, but that was a gift of my genes, which I cemented with my own actions. But I think that anyone who tries smoking, if they do in fact *need* the psychoactive substances found in tobacco smoke, are those who become addicted. Those without the need, try it and then abandon it... if they're lucky enough to abandon it quickly enough.

Andria

 

[pizzadave80]

I csn tell you right now nicotine is hardly addictive by itself without taking in high qualities first..such as those who smoke a pack a day. I vape 0 nic. At times I vape 3mg nic in a dripper...and i can feel it...but I don't need that nic ever..I don't need to vape either...I might vape 4ml a day... some days I might not vape much at all... it's a hobby thing..and hardly an addiction thing.

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[pizzadave80]

However... I csn see someone who's used to a pack a day needing to ween off the nicotine...which is why they start off with 12mg nic e juice. And work their way down to low or 0 nic. I know some people who simply need it...or else they are crabby and flat out irritable without it

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[Khassy]

I smoked for most of my life, but I quit cold turkey in 1986. Never had a lapse after that. I started vaping late last year. I started off at zero nicotine and now am at 3mg. I started vaping because it was something my husband thought I would enjoy, and we were trying to get my then-86 year old mother-in-law to stop smoking and start vaping. She tried for a few weeks but with dementia, it was frustrating for all of us so she decided to stop. I enjoyed it so I continued. After doing a good bit of research, I decided to start using a bit of nicotine. Thus far, it has helped me diet (which I really need) and I'm hoping that it will have some of the other benefits, such as better cognitive function. I have fibromyalgia, which severely affects my cognitive functions, so even a little improvement will help. I may even start increasing the nicotine to 6mg.

Those are my reasons for starting to vape without having been a smoker for years. YMMV.

 

[AndriaD]

However... I csn see someone who's used to a pack a day needing to ween off the nicotine...which is why they start off with 12mg nic e juice. And work their way down to low or 0 nic. I know some people who simply need it...or else they are crabby and flat out irritable without it

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Some people are crabby and irritable without their morning coffee; I know I am, without my morning tea, which has only about half the caffeine of coffee.

It's really not the nicotine that makes smoking so addictive; it's all the other stuff -- MAOIs, and the minor tobacco alkaloids, plus the ammonia making smoked nicotine shoot to the brain within SECONDS, that causes the addiction. Also, it becomes an "automatic behavior"; you don't think about it, you just do it, and it relieves whatever.

Some people can withdraw from cigarette addiction using nothing but nicotine, but the abysmal success rates of patches and gum NRT show that the nicotine itself is not a very large component of the addiction; those who use nicotine in vaping are a bit more successful, because they're also substituting the *behavior*, which, over time, can become just as automatic, thus satisfying much the same need as smoking.

Then there are those who still can't overcome the cravings without also adding the other alkaloids and MAOIs -- WTA. I was one of those; we're definitely not the majority, but there are sufficient numbers of us that WTA has become a commercial product -- and it really works. But it's nearly as hard to withdraw from as smoking, so it's only advisable to use it if the choice is either 1) go back to smoking, or 2) vape some WTA.

Andria

 

[pizzadave80]

Some people are crabby and irritable without their morning coffee; I know I am, without my morning tea, which has only about half the caffeine of coffee.

It's really not the nicotine that makes smoking so addictive; it's all the other stuff -- MAOIs, and the minor tobacco alkaloids, plus the ammonia making smoked nicotine shoot to the brain within SECONDS, that causes the addiction. Also, it becomes an "automatic behavior"; you don't think about it, you just do it, and it relieves whatever.

Some people can withdraw from cigarette addiction using nothing but nicotine, but the abysmal success rates of patches and gum NRT show that the nicotine itself is not a very large component of the addiction; those who use nicotine in vaping are a bit more successful, because they're also substituting the *behavior*, which, over time, can become just as automatic, thus satisfying much the same need as smoking.

Then there are those who still can't overcome the cravings without also adding the other alkaloids and MAOIs -- WTA. I was one of those; we're definitely not the majority, but there are sufficient numbers of us that WTA has become a commercial product -- and it really works. But it's nearly as hard to withdraw from as smoking, so it's only advisable to use it if the choice is either 1) go back to smoking, or 2) vape some WTA.

Andria

I agree...I'm a douche without coffee lol. I completely agree with this....it comes down to people's needs and not everyone is the same

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[pulsevape]

You aren't understanding my point. Why smoke if you've never done it? If you have never done it, then why would someone need the drugs from tobacco?

And to answer your question, yes, for 10 years. I didn't get "hooked" on the "drugs" until I started smoking myself. Using your logic, I started smoking cigs because I craved the drugs in tobacco, even though I've never had them.

My personal theroy as to why people smoke is..there are naturally occuring anti-depressants in tobacco smoke called MAOIs they were actually the first generation of moderen day ant-depressants that are used today..these MAOI's actually open pathways in the brain that help create addiction....I think that alot of people used smoking as the poor man's anti-depressant..people were self medicating..these alkloids have been extracted by vapers from whole tobacco, and used in WTAs..using WTAs are the only way some vapers have been able to get off smoking. I think we know very little about the nature of addiction and I'm not sure the medical proffesion is all that curious, after all .....fortunes are made creating addicts. I mean there is a massive number of Americans on anti-depressants.Shit you can go into a doctors office with a hangnail and they'll offer you anti-depressants.

 

[Swerved]

Back to the OP's question, I personally see nothing wrong with it; you're (presumably) a grown up so who gives a rats ass what anyone thinks about it?

Sure, your lungs are meant for air and blah blah blah, but if you enjoy the other aspects of vaping as a hobby as opposed to a drug fix then go for it. I've got a really good friend that did the same thing. He never smoked in his life but took up vaping. He heard me talking about building coils, DIY, etc and became interested to see what it was about. He vaped 0 nicotine and was quite intrigued by the whole thing. For him, it was a social thing too.. the smokers and/or vaping folk would go outside, and he would go to and stand around with us and talk, hang out, etc... Had nothing to do with nicotine. He later stopped but it was just a phase for him, but he tried it and made his own decision.

Now with all that said, of course I wouldn't want my kids (or grand-kids for that matter) smoking or vaping. BUT, my kids 18 and 20 so they're old enough to do what they damned well please... Just like the OP (again, presumably). They know the consequences of their actions.

As for why people start smoking in the first place, it's not for some bullshit nicotine addiction. You started (more than likely, admit it or not) because you were a stupid kid trying to be cool. Simple as that... The addiction came later.

 

[pulsevape]

Back to the OP's question, I personally see nothing wrong with it; you're (presumably) a grown up so who gives a rats ass what anyone thinks about it?

Sure, your lungs are meant for air and blah blah blah, but if you enjoy the other aspects of vaping as a hobby as opposed to a drug fix then go for it. I've got a really good friend that did the same thing. He never smoked in his life but took up vaping. He heard me talking about building coils, DIY, etc and became interested to see what it was about. He vaped 0 nicotine and was quite intrigued by the whole thing. For him, it was a social thing too.. the smokers and/or vaping folk would go outside, and he would go to and stand around with us and talk, hang out, etc... Had nothing to do with nicotine. He later stopped but it was just a phase for him, but he tried it and made his own decision.

Now with all that said, of course I wouldn't want my kids (or grand-kids for that matter) smoking or vaping. BUT, my kids 18 and 20 so they're old enough to do what they damned well please... Just like the OP (again, presumably). They know the consequences of their actions.

As for why people start smoking in the first place, it's not for some bullshit nicotine addiction. You started (more than likely, admit it or not) because you were a stupid kid trying to be cool. Simple as that... The addiction came later.

No, it's not as simple as that...I've tried lots of drugs and alcohol many of them addictive, and never became addicted to any of them except tobaccther people took those same drugs and it became a lifelong addiction.

 

[Swerved]

No, it's not as simple as that...I've tried lots of drugs and alcohol many of them addictive, and never became addicted to any of them except tobaccther people took those same drugs and it became a lifelong addiction.

Well different people have different tolerances and mentalities.I know a girl that got addicted to everything she ever tried. It was just how she was.. But very few people that didn't smoke previously, started smoking already craving nicotine is my point...I would wager that most of them started because their peers were doing it and got addicted to them as a result.

 

[pulsevape]

Well different people have different tolerances and mentalities.I know a girl that got addicted to everything she ever tried. It was just how she was.. But very few people that didn't smoke previously, started smoking already craving nicotine is my point...I would wager that most of them started because their peers were doing it and got addicted to them as a result.

your assumption that people start to smoke to look cool is what I question ...I think they smoke for the drugs in tobacco...for instance nobody LIKES the taste of alcohol before they try it...they hold their noses and get it down their throats for the effect alcohol gives,and a significant number of them later struggle with alcohol for the rest of their lives....the same with the herbal treat..alot of people who tried it never even smoked tobacco and the act of smoking medicinal herbs was hard for them, but they continued doing it and developing a taste for it because of the effect it gives.None of us enjoyed our first cigarettes, but I think alot of us stuck with it not because it was cool, but to self medicate.

 

[PhantomOp]

None of us enjoyed our first cigarettes

Sorry --- I gotta call BS on the "none of us" part. My Dad loved the smell and taste of cigarettes. I loved the smell and taste of cigarettes 20+ years ago when they were $2.00 p/pack -- Something changed in the chemistry when the prices started going up. They started to not smell the same or taste the same. By then I was hooked on them and it took a long time to finally get off of them.

The biggest point I'm making --- everyone is different and no one is the same. Just like assholes, everyone has one... same goes with opinions.

 

[pulsevape]

Sorry --- I gotta call BS on the "none of us" part. My Dad loved the smell and taste of cigarettes. I loved the smell and taste of cigarettes 20+ years ago when they were $2.00 p/pack -- Something changed in the chemistry when the prices started going up. They started to not smell the same or taste the same. By then I was hooked on them and it took a long time to finally get off of them.

The biggest point I'm making --- everyone is different and no one is the same. Just like assholes, everyone has one... same goes with opinions.

yeah right...I caught my younger brother and his best friend smoking...I took them behind the woodshed and had them smoke the entire pack,,,they made it to their second cigarette before they were pucking their guts up...30 years later he tells me it was that cured him from ever developing a smoking habit...nobody opens their first pack of smokes and develops a pack a day habit within a week...

 

[Madd71]

I've been smoking 30+ years. I never started smoking as a means to self medicate, I started because, foolishly, I thought it would impress others, make me look cool and gain friends. I wasn't depressed I was lonely. I've spent many years now trying to give up. I've tried just about everything going but nothing has worked, a few things nearly worked. Over the last couple+ years I've heard of people using vaping to quit so I've been toying with the idea for a little while now. I brought a mod kit at a car boot sale but sadly it was broke so I've ordered one on line now and should be here soon. Hopefully this will help. I am quite optimistic after seeing the amount of people in these forums that have quit. Sorry I forgot the actual point I was going to make after about the third sentence so I just rambled on.

 

[Swerved]

your assumption that people start to smoke to look cool is what I question ...I think they smoke for the drugs in tobacco...for instance nobody LIKES the taste of alcohol before they try it...they hold their noses and get it down their throats for the effect alcohol gives,and a significant number of them later struggle with alcohol for the rest of their lives....the same with the herbal treat..alot of people who tried it never even smoked tobacco and the act of smoking medicinal herbs was hard for them, but they continued doing it and developing a taste for it because of the effect it gives.None of us enjoyed our first cigarettes, but I think alot of us stuck with it not because it was cool, but to self medicate.

I'm with you there.. But at the time most try their first cigarette, they aren't doing it with the thought of self medicating. That was the point I was making. As for alcohol, well I started drinking later in my young years than smoking. So by the time I started drinking I knew it was going to get me drunk and that was my intention. With cigarettes, it was because I was wanting to emulate what I saw the older crowd doing because well, I wanted to look older. Instead I looked like a stupid kid.. lol

 

[Rickajho]

That is a fair point, But there are a lot of smokers out there who don't want to give up smoking because they still enjoy it, So why not the same with vaping?

You won't wind a devil's advocate argument with this one. Ask any of those smokers out there who don't want to give up smoking because they still enjoy it to just put it aside - after all they are only doing it for the enjoyment. They could do something else they might enjoy - like macrame, tying flies, paint by number, collage. See how many of them can set aside their "enjoyment" from smoking for a week. See how that goes...

 

[AndriaD]

I've been smoking 30+ years. I never started smoking as a means to self medicate, I started because, foolishly, I thought it would impress others, make me look cool and gain friends. I wasn't depressed I was lonely. I've spent many years now trying to give up. I've tried just about everything going but nothing has worked, a few things nearly worked. Over the last couple+ years I've heard of people using vaping to quit so I've been toying with the idea for a little while now. I brought a mod kit at a car boot sale but sadly it was broke so I've ordered one on line now and should be here soon. Hopefully this will help. I am quite optimistic after seeing the amount of people in these forums that have quit. Sorry I forgot the actual point I was going to make after about the third sentence so I just rambled on.

When you start vaping, don't try to give up the smokes in one swell foop... take your time; find an ejuice that either a) tastes similar to your cigarettes, or b) is so yummy you just can't get enough of it... and proceed to enjoy vaping, try to substitute it for as many cigarettes as you comfortably can, but you needn't be a hardass to yourself; that will just cause stress, which will make you want your usual stress-reliever -- cigarettes -- even more. Just ENJOY! And even when you have a cigarette, try to enjoy the hell of that too... because the more you vape, the less you'll enjoy the cigarettes, so you might as well get as much enjoyment from them as you can, while you can. While you're dual-using (vaping and smoking), you'll need a fairly low nic level, or you might get nic sick, which isn't fun at all. Once the sticks are gone, you might want to increase the nic level just a bit.

I played a little game with myself, when I started vaping -- I did the above, trying to substitute vaping for as many cigarettes as I could, but when I really wanted a cigarette, I'd go have it, and make a tally mark on a sheet for that day -- tallying every single cigarette I smoked, and trying, the next day, to smoke less... or at least, not more. It took 3 wks to get down to zero cigarettes, and the last 3 days was one cigarette per day. I smoked for 39 yrs, tried to quit for 30, and had figured I'd be smoking till they killed me, but vaping changed that completely.

Andria

ETA: on the subject of enjoying any cigarettes you still may smoke -- there's a yiddish proverb that says if a Jewish man eats pork, he should enjoy it with such great gusto that the grease runs down his chin. It's silly to castigate yourself for doing something that you've trained your brain and body to enjoy and find comfort in for decades. Let your brain and body down easy, and they won't give you much of a problem when you finally lay the sticks down and keep 'em down.

 

[pulsevape]

I'm with you there.. But at the time most try their first cigarette, they aren't doing it with the thought of self medicating. That was the point I was making. As for alcohol, well I started drinking later in my young years than smoking. So by the time I started drinking I knew it was going to get me drunk and that was my intention. With cigarettes, it was because I was wanting to emulate what I saw the older crowd doing because well, I wanted to look older. Instead I looked like a stupid kid.. lol

as I said before ..I've tried alot of drugs some of them adictive, but I never became addicted to those drugs...You may try alot of drugs...but is the particular effect you get from a particular drug is what makes you keep coming back to that particular drug...it's particular effect on your brain chemistry is the effect you are searching for....there are plenty of different drugs to become addicted to why choose this one...I have had lots of friend that could pick up a pack of cigarettes and smoke them all, then not buy another pack for a month.....and yet those same friends couldn't go three days without their herbal remedy.........the nature of addiction is something I don't think we understand at all. and if by chance we ever figure it out I'm not so sure the powers that be will let us in on that information...there is just to much damn money being made off addicts.

 

[JuicyLucy]

You aren't understanding my point. Why smoke if you've never done it? If you have never done it, then why would someone need the drugs from tobacco?

And to answer your question, yes, for 10 years. I didn't get "hooked" on the "drugs" until I started smoking myself. Using your logic, I started smoking cigs because I craved the drugs in tobacco, even though I've never had them.

Evidence shows it is the other alkaloids in cigarettes people become addicted to, not the actual nicotine

That's why nicotine alone in vaping does not always work for smokers trying to quit

I couldn't quit until I started adding WTA to my juice - I vaped for almost three year and couldn't stop smoking until I used WTA in my juice. Almost done weaning myself off of it after a little over a year of using the alkaloids.

Can't hardly take any nic in my vape these days, down to 1 or 1.5 % naturally. My body just doesn't want it.

 

[pulsevape]

Evidence shows it is the other alkaloids in cigarettes people become addicted to, not the actual nicotine

That's why nicotine alone in vaping does not always work for smokers trying to quit

I couldn't quit until I started adding WTA to my juice - I vaped for almost three year and couldn't stop smoking until I used WTA in my juice. Almost done weaning myself off of it after a little over a year of using the alkaloids.

Can't hardly take any nic in my vape these days, down to 1 or 1.5 % naturally. My body just doesn't want it.

.

I've read that the herb Saint John's Wort has the same or similar alkloids..in traditional european herbalists and moderen day herbalists Saint John's Wort was and is used to treat depression.....It is also interesting to note that 80% of schizophrenics are tobacco smokers....why is that...

 

[pulsevape]

When you start vaping, don't try to give up the smokes in one swell foop... take your time; find an ejuice that either a) tastes similar to your cigarettes, or b) is so yummy you just can't get enough of it... and proceed to enjoy vaping, try to substitute it for as many cigarettes as you comfortably can, but you needn't be a hardass to yourself; that will just cause stress, which will make you want your usual stress-reliever -- cigarettes -- even more. Just ENJOY! And even when you have a cigarette, try to enjoy the hell of that too... because the more you vape, the less you'll enjoy the cigarettes, so you might as well get as much enjoyment from them as you can, while you can. While you're dual-using (vaping and smoking), you'll need a fairly low nic level, or you might get nic sick, which isn't fun at all. Once the sticks are gone, you might want to increase the nic level just a bit.

I played a little game with myself, when I started vaping -- I did the above, trying to substitute vaping for as many cigarettes as I could, but when I really wanted a cigarette, I'd go have it, and make a tally mark on a sheet for that day -- tallying every single cigarette I smoked, and trying, the next day, to smoke less... or at least, not more. It took 3 wks to get down to zero cigarettes, and the last 3 days was one cigarette per day. I smoked for 39 yrs, tried to quit for 30, and had figured I'd be smoking till they killed me, but vaping changed that completely.

Andria

ETA: on the subject of enjoying any cigarettes you still may smoke -- there's a yiddish proverb that says if a Jewish man eats pork, he should enjoy it with such great gusto that the grease runs down his chin. It's silly to castigate yourself for doing something that you've trained your brain and body to enjoy and find comfort in for decades. Let your brain and body down easy, and they won't give you much of a problem when you finally lay the sticks down and keep 'em down.

I played that same game with myself.

 

[Madd71]

When you start vaping, don't try to give up the smokes in one swell foop... take your time; find an ejuice that either a) tastes similar to your cigarettes, or b) is so yummy you just can't get enough of it... and proceed to enjoy vaping, try to substitute it for as many cigarettes as you comfortably can, but you needn't be a hardass to yourself; that will just cause stress, which will make you want your usual stress-reliever -- cigarettes -- even more. Just ENJOY! And even when you have a cigarette, try to enjoy the hell of that too... because the more you vape, the less you'll enjoy the cigarettes, so you might as well get as much enjoyment from them as you can, while you can. While you're dual-using (vaping and smoking), you'll need a fairly low nic level, or you might get nic sick, which isn't fun at all. Once the sticks are gone, you might want to increase the nic level just a bit.

I played a little game with myself, when I started vaping -- I did the above, trying to substitute vaping for as many cigarettes as I could, but when I really wanted a cigarette, I'd go have it, and make a tally mark on a sheet for that day -- tallying every single cigarette I smoked, and trying, the next day, to smoke less... or at least, not more. It took 3 wks to get down to zero cigarettes, and the last 3 days was one cigarette per day. I smoked for 39 yrs, tried to quit for 30, and had figured I'd be smoking till they killed me, but vaping changed that completely.

Andria

ETA: on the subject of enjoying any cigarettes you still may smoke -- there's a yiddish proverb that says if a Jewish man eats pork, he should enjoy it with such great gusto that the grease runs down his chin. It's silly to castigate yourself for doing something that you've trained your brain and body to enjoy and find comfort in for decades. Let your brain and body down easy, and they won't give you much of a problem when you finally lay the sticks down and keep 'em down.

Thank you for that, some real good advice. In the past I've tried such things as patches but I'd always end up with about 4 or 5 patches on and still smoke. In fact I would still smoke with whatever aid I was using. I then decided to look in to why someone would do that. Smoking, at least for some, is more than just about the chemicals and other crap in ciggies, it's also about the holding, the hand to mouth and the hit of smoke to the back of the throat. Then there are all the little rituals that go along with it to. Like having a smoke after dinner / sex etc, having a smoke with coffee or tea or with alcohol. There's absolutely loads of cigarette rituals. And I seem to have most of them. I believe that is why other aids I've used in the past haven't worked. So I think vaping is definitely the way forward. The advice you just gave me is very useful, I especially like the idea of jotting down the cigarettes I've smoked and then the amount I haven't. And maybe the amount of money I've saved. I've seen quite a few here on peoples posts, some are quite impressive.

 

[Angelv942]

To my "kid" lecture --- yes, I have kids.

1) Don't smoke cigarettes.
2) Don't vape

3) Since your going to do one of the two anyways, please vape on. Here, take a tug off mine while I watch you choke the first few times.

I have a 16yr old daughter that decided it was "cool" to "try" smoking with her friends... I won't go into what "smoking" was entailing. She now vapes and hasn't "smoked" with her friends since. --- I WIN! Yes, there are rules that come with that "privilege" at 16 years old. She abides by the rules she is "allowed" to vape.

You know at 16 i got caught smoking and got my ass beat. The very next day i smoked again. For more then 11 years. I wish i
Had yhis option

 

[pescadore]

I have never been a smoker. Yes, I tried it as a kid but found it disgusting. When I met my wife 25 years ago, she was a smoker. Despite her habit, I loved her with all my heart and dealt with it. She eventually quit smoking after hypnosis. She always said that she missed smoking (the act) but the cravings were gone. After our 21 year old son died, the first thing my wife wanted was a cigarette to help with the stress. I told her that if she would vape instead that I would vape with her. I went to the local vape store and picked up a couple of vape pens and some 6mg juice. It really did seem to help with the stress and we both progressed to subohm vaping. It became a hobby for me with the building and DIY juice and I really enjoy it. I started reducing the nic in our juice a little at a time and now I use very little nic (less than 1 mg). People vape for different reasons and if you are an adult and make that decision for yourself then who am I to tell you not to vape. People need to mind their own business and quit trying to pass judgement on vapers that never smoked. I say Vape On and enjoy your new hobby. There are much worse things that you could spend your money and time on. I rarely drink, dont do illegal drugs, dont gamble my paycheck away, dont cheat on my wife and I worked as a public servant for over 25 years. If I choose to vape then its my business and nobody has the right to judge me.


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[AndriaD]

Thank you for that, some real good advice. In the past I've tried such things as patches but I'd always end up with about 4 or 5 patches on and still smoke. In fact I would still smoke with whatever aid I was using. I then decided to look in to why someone would do that. Smoking, at least for some, is more than just about the chemicals and other crap in ciggies, it's also about the holding, the hand to mouth and the hit of smoke to the back of the throat. Then there are all the little rituals that go along with it to. Like having a smoke after dinner / sex etc, having a smoke with coffee or tea or with alcohol. There's absolutely loads of cigarette rituals. And I seem to have most of them. I believe that is why other aids I've used in the past haven't worked. So I think vaping is definitely the way forward. The advice you just gave me is very useful, I especially like the idea of jotting down the cigarettes I've smoked and then the amount I haven't. And maybe the amount of money I've saved. I've seen quite a few here on peoples posts, some are quite impressive.

Yes, and as mentioned above, for some of us it had almost nothing to do with nicotine, but with all those other alkaloids and chemicals, and perhaps their interaction with nicotine. Not everyone has that issue; most can use simple nicotine and it works just fine, because you're absolutely right, it really has a LOT more to do with the various behaviors and triggers than the chemicals. I think the chemicals serve only to make you really miserable when you try to go cold turkey -- not only are you depriving your mind of something it finds comforting, you're depriving your brain and body too, of substances they've come to depend on -- instant melt-down right across the board.

I haven't smoked in over 2 1/2 yrs, and I've been off the WTA for about a year, and down to 3mg nicotine for several months now, but there's not a single doubt in my mind that if I stopped vaping, I'd be back to smoking within a week. And the stats on "regular" NRT -- patches and gum and all that snake-oil -- speak for themselves... what, about 6% success rates? That's pitiful, and trying over and over doesn't make them work any better. In AA we say "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity." Those pitiful stats say very clearly that it's really not that much of a chemical addiction; it's a great deal more of a learned behavior, learned over DECADES for some of us, for how to relax, how to relieve stress, how to cap off a great meal, how to focus, etc etc etc etc... those triggers and behaviors really are pretty much endless. Depriving your body of chemicals it needs and wants even if they're poisonous, that's uncomfortable, but can be weathered and surmounted in a fairly short time.... but training yourself to forsake every single coping mechanism you've learned over decades.... well, again, the stats speak for themselves: humans don't like to do without their coping mechanisms. And quitting smoking? That's pretty much the DEFINITION of stress.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Like having a smoke after dinner / sex etc, having a smoke with coffee or tea or with alcohol.

This is one thing I wanted to point out particularly -- about alcohol. While you're in the process of quitting, and for some little time after you do make the switch, it's probably a good idea not to drink *to excess* -- if in fact you ever do that. Mainly just because drunkenness absolutely destroys good judgment -- I've seen many posts from formerly-very-happy vapers who completely cashed in their smoke-free status because they had so much to drink, their judgment went on vacation for the duration. And they woke up with a nasty hangover and a horrible taste in their mouth (worse than last night's alcohol!) and a return of their need for cigarettes -- and giving it up a 2nd time is much harder than it was the first time, count on that.

It might not even have been an initial failure of their good judgment, but perhaps something went wrong with their vape -- coil popped, battery died, wick got vaped dry and caught on fire... you catch my drift -- shit WILL happen to vape gear, and if it happens when you're intoxicated, you're far less likely to deal with it properly, and far more likely to say "fuck it, gimme a pack of cigarettes." Drunk people really aren't capable of considering consequences -- hence the high incidence of DUIs.

As for the smoke after meals... I figured that would be the hardest one for me to give up, but it actually turned out to be the easiest. Because after eating, the "throat hit" of vaping is particularly strong, very similar to that of smoking, that satisfying tingle in the mouth and throat as you inhale. So don't throw up roadblocks for yourself that may not exist -- you won't really know which cigarettes are actually the hardest to dispense with, until you actually try.

Andria

 

[Angelv942]

This is one thing I wanted to point out particularly -- about alcohol. While you're in the process of quitting, and for some little time after you do make the switch, it's probably a good idea not to drink *to excess* -- if in fact you ever do that. Mainly just because drunkenness absolutely destroys good judgment -- I've seen many posts from formerly-very-happy vapers who completely cashed in their smoke-free status because they had so much to drink, their judgment went on vacation for the duration. And they woke up with a nasty hangover and a horrible taste in their mouth (worse than last night's alcohol!) and a return of their need for cigarettes -- and giving it up a 2nd time is much harder than it was the first time, count on that.

It might not even have been an initial failure of their good judgment, but perhaps something went wrong with their vape -- coil popped, battery died, wick got vaped dry and caught on fire... you catch my drift -- shit WILL happen to vape gear, and if it happens when you're intoxicated, you're far less likely to deal with it properly, and far more likely to say "fuck it, gimme a pack of cigarettes." Drunk people really aren't capable of considering consequences -- hence the high incidence of DUIs.

As for the smoke after meals... I figured that would be the hardest one for me to give up, but it actually turned out to be the easiest. Because after eating, the "throat hit" of vaping is particularly strong, very similar to that of smoking, that satisfying tingle in the mouth and throat as you inhale. So don't throw up roadblocks for yourself that may not exist -- you won't really know which cigarettes are actually the hardest to dispense with, until you actually try.

Andria

For me its the morning cig with coffee thats the hardest one to break. I can go all day without a cig but that morning one sheesh. I think its because when i forst wake up vape feels a little rough

 

[AndriaD]

For me its the morning cig with coffee thats the hardest one to break. I can go all day without a cig but that morning one sheesh. I think its because when i forst wake up vape feels a little rough

The one in the morning was the hardest for me too. I think it's because overnight, your nic level in your blood drops to virtually nil; since nic absorption from vapor takes a great deal longer than nic absorption from smoke, it's very hard to get the nic level up to what you perceive as "comfortable," when you first start vaping, and maybe haven't yet learned the "proper" technique.

Those last 3 days, when I had just one a day, it was that one, the morning smoke. I came to realize that I was trying to vape as I smoked: fast, short draws, deep inhales... and that just doesn't work for max nic absorption. I gave some attention to trying to vape the "proper" way for max nic absorption -- long, slow draws, hold it in mouth and throat for a bit, exhale via the nose.... one evening I even managed to give myself the little stabby pains in my abdomen, I absorbed so much nic that way! So the next morning, I vaped that way, and tried to do it for longer than I had previously been willing to try... that ended up being my first smoke-free day.

Andria