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piknic1

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I got myself a broadside mech mod .., been using it for about a week .., my atty is a Kennedy 25 .., I'm using a samsung INR18650-25R batterie .., using a pre built clapton 26/30 316 L SS coil .., reads at 0.21 ohms .., I was just wondering if this is pretty close to the norm, or my build should be a little lower in the ohm's dept.., still a little new in the mech dept., so any help would be very much appreciated ,
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I would try a kanthal 26g parallel. 5-6 wraps should put you about .2Ω if I remember right. A nice warm and cloudy vape with good flavor to boot. Just a thought.

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found some parallel coils on advanced vape supply for $6.00 per pair, I'll give a try ,
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30g wrapping wire, way too fat. I never use any wrapping wire fatter than 36g, my go to is 28x2/38 317L SS.

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found some parallel coils on advanced vape supply for $6.00 per pair, I'll give a try ,
thanks again
For $6, you could buy a lot of Kanthal to make some parallel coils- they are very easy to make, you just wrap a standard coil but with two wires instead of one.

I can understand buying premade claptons and further coils than that, but for simple parallel coils it would be best just to buy the wire instead. 6 Dollars for just two standard parallel coils is pretty steep in my opinion.
 

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So question is this, it sounds like you are rather green with building, do you know Ohms Law? If not you really shouldn't be using a Mech until you do.

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So question is this, it sounds like you are rather green with building, do you know Ohms Law? If not you really shouldn't be using a Mech until you do.

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Good point, this completely went over my head.

To the OP, most people who use mechs make their own coils, especially very simple ones. There is nothing wrong with buying coils like I said before, but please make sure you understand the safety aspect of using a mech. There is no protection apart from you, so you need to have the knowledge there to operate it safely.
 

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Guys the OP is using 1--- 25r battery at .21 ohms.... safe limit for that battery is .2ohm or higher.

Buy a bunch of different types coil.. in ohm rate all higher the .25ohm.... find what get you close to what you want to vape.... then buy wire to make those coils yourself.


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I have a coil master kit, not too bad at making coils , never made any parallels, just single wraps, I know my ohm's law, the pre-made coils I seen were SS not kanthal, and yes pre mades are a little pricey, just wanted to get comfortable with using a mech.., I'll give it a shot, ..thanks for the advise, like the man said "saftey first"
 

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I have a coil master kit, not too bad at making coils , never made any parallels, just single wraps, I know my ohm's law, the pre-made coils I seen were SS not kanthal, and yes pre mades are a little pricey, just wanted to get comfortable with using a mech.., I'll give it a shot, ..thanks for the advise, like the man said "saftey first"
Cool, just needed to check for we get a lot of clueless "Clouds Bro" flyby's.

I primarily run Mech's and SS works excellent so don't discount SS, you only need to use small gauge wire. Also I can't recommend enough Sony VTC5A's, outstanding for Mech's. They're 2500mAh, 25a CDR and hit very, very well.
 

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I started my diy journey with ss, great stuff it is. I only started using kanthal because I was wanting to try FC's and with the build space on some of my atties, safe ss FC's would never fit LOL. I love how clean the vape from ss tastes. It's amazing material. I was very surprised.

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great , gonna check out the sony's for sure, probably grab a new 4 bay charger with LED display ., thank's
 

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I started my diy journey with ss, great stuff it is. I only started using kanthal because I was wanting to try FC's and with the build space on some of my atties, safe ss FC's would never fit LOL. I love how clean the vape from ss tastes. It's amazing material. I was very surprised.

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You just need to use smaller core wires, I like Vaping around 0.2Ω, core wires I use are 28g, 29g and 30g. They fit perfectly and with them being smaller gauge they add to the responsiveness. For this reason along with a crisper/cleaner taste they are simply perfect for Mech's. Only time I use Kanthal is is my =< 25mm Series Mech's.
 

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great , gonna check out the sony's for sure, probably grab a new 4 bay charger with LED display ., thank's
I can't recommend enough the Opus 3100 Charger, much better than the cheap Nitecore, eFest chargers. It also has a built in fan that helps keep things cool, major, major plus just for that factor alone.
 

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You just need to use smaller core wires, I like Vaping around 0.2Ω, core wires I use are 28g, 29g and 30g. They fit perfectly and with them being smaller gauge they add to the responsiveness. For this reason along with a crisper/cleaner taste they are simply perfect for Mech's. Only time I use Kanthal is is my =< 25mm Series Mech's.
What outer wrap do you use? Material I mean.

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What outer wrap do you use? Material I mean.

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Kanthal I use Kanthal, I don't like the taste of NiChrome.
SS I'll use SS, 317L is my preferred choice but I do use 316L
 

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Kanthal I use Kanthal, I don't like the taste of NiChrome.
SS I'll use SS, 317L is my preferred choice but I do use 316L
I do have 29g ss. I may have to try that. I was debating on a build for my Wotofo Lush. That sounds like a great one actually. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Try fused 24 gauge ss.. same amount of wraps..

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That's stupid low, 6 wraps of 24g core would be around 0.08Ω at over 50a.
That's about average resistance for a fair amount of people...
Not really going to get into a resistance nazi debate at this point, but been doing .07-.12 for a while now on tubes....

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That's about average resistance for a fair amount of people...
Not really going to get into a resistance nazi debate at this point, but been doing .07-.12 for a while now on tubes....

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If you're fine pushing a 20a battery over 50a more power to you. But if you bothered read OP's post he's looking for around 0.21, not 0.08.

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He wasn't looking for a .21 build, he is there now and asked if he should go lower. I gave my answer as I'm sure you did.
Piss off now stop trying to police the shit up.

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He wasn't looking for a .21 build, he is there now and asked if he should go lower. I gave my answer as I'm sure you did.
Piss off now stop trying to police the shit up.

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Great, go ahead and continue to be an ignorant fuck for recommending super sub ohm builds to a new Mech user.



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Great, go ahead and continue to be an ignorant fuck for recommending super sub ohm builds to a new Mech user.



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Thanks, with your permission I now feel free and liberated, like a weight has been lifted off my shouders.

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I became a mech user only yesterday. To keep things on the safe side of the "playground", and to get a smooth flavorful vape with practically no ramp up I am vaping on a VTC5A battery and dual coil aliens that are 5 wraps each, 28 Ni80 / 38 Ni80, 2.4mm ID ohming out at something between 0.11 and 0.12 on my new Purge Mods Maelstrom brass. :hug:
 

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I became a mech user only yesterday. To keep things on the safe side of the "playground", and to get a smooth flavorful vape with practically no ramp up I am vaping on a VTC5A battery and dual coil aliens that are 5 wraps each, 28 Ni80 / 38 Ni80, 2.4mm ID ohming out at something between 0.11 and 0.12 on my new Purge Mods Maelstrom brass. :hug:
You blew it on being on the safe side.... as that build would be unsafe for most mods with protected curcuitry.

Functional yes... but there are no batteries safe below about .2 ohms on a single battery mod. Yes 50 amps will fire from a 25 a battery. Without exploding... at least till it doesn't.

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I became a mech user only yesterday. To keep things on the safe side of the "playground", and to get a smooth flavorful vape with practically no ramp up I am vaping on a VTC5A battery and dual coil aliens that are 5 wraps each, 28 Ni80 / 38 Ni80, 2.4mm ID ohming out at something between 0.11 and 0.12 on my new Purge Mods Maelstrom brass. :hug:
I would ditch the aliens myself using a mech, and go for something simpler that still has a fair amount of surface area, but higher in resistance. I think 0.11 is too low especially if you want to keep things on the safe side of things.

I usually build at around 0.2-0.3 and use SS316L. I find this gives me a nice vape with plenty of flavour and cloud. Of course this depends on what you like though.
It is unlikely anything bad will happen, but I never feel comfortable really pushing batteries too hard.
 

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You blew it on being on the safe side.... as that build would be unsafe for most mods with protected curcuitry.

Functional yes... but there are no batteries safe below about .2 ohms on a single battery mod. Yes 50 amps will fire from a 25 a battery. Without exploding... at least till it doesn't.

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Excellent april fools joke mate... it made me laugh all the way until my pants fell off. :)
 

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I had some m.terk aliens ohm out at .1 that ripped on a mech....
Usually I just do the fused Clayton's though or some single wire n90 build.
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30G is too much for outer wrap, it is too slow to heat up, and cool down. 36-40 would work better. Personally I can't find satisfying vape at 0.2ohm on a single battery tube, unless I am using mtl genesis atty, and that would be 0.9 and higher.
All my high volume atomizers are build between 0.07-0.1 Ohm if on a single tube mode. Have 3 Kennedy 24 rdas and all of them are set at 0.07-0.08 Ohm with fused clapton 24/36.
I know it is an unsafe zone for most of the general population here, but I have been doing it since I started to vape, and never had any problems. If building low is out of your comfort zone, don't go there.
Battery will heat up once you put too much stress on it. Have not seen it just go " boom" the moment you press the switch, just because your built is too low.
SubOhm Nazies feel free to ignore my post please, I am not recommending anything, just expressing personal experience.
 

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30G is too much for outer wrap, it is too slow to heat up, and cool down. 36-40 would work better. Personally I can't find satisfying vape at 0.2ohm on a single battery tube, unless I am using mtl genesis atty, and that would be 0.9 and higher.
All my high volume atomizers are build between 0.07-0.1 Ohm if on a single tube mode. Have 3 Kennedy 24 rdas and all of them are set at 0.07-0.08 Ohm with fused clapton 24/36.
I know it is an unsafe zone for most of the general population here, but I have been doing it since I started to vape, and never had any problems. If building low is out of your comfort zone, don't go there.
Battery will heat up once you put too much stress on it. Have not seen it just go " boom" the moment you press the switch, just because your built is too low.
SubOhm Nazies feel free to ignore my post please, I am not recommending anything, just expressing personal experience.
If you are well versed in and experienced battery safety you are fine with super sub ohm on single tube mods. But this is not for the new inexperienced Mech user. No Nazi attitude, just not being an ignorant asshole.

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I recommended a build that would bring a much more satisfying vape, ij my opinion, which is what the op asked for.
I d9nt see where you get off with the whole ignorant thing and you definitely ran with the resistance nazi gig. Get over it, guy.

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I recommended a build that would bring a much more satisfying vape, ij my opinion, which is what the op asked for.
I d9nt see where you get off with the whole ignorant thing and you definitely ran with the resistance nazi gig. Get over it, guy.

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Being ignorant is recommending super sub ohm to a new Mech user without any Caveat to the danger level. At least @anen had the common sense and fortitude to look out for their fellow Vaper to throw in a caution.

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That's not even remotely close to a valid definition of what is ignorant.
If I had thought it to be dangerous and somehow exclusive to more experienced vapers I wouldn't have made any mention of it.
But alas, I don't. If you hard short and it blows up in your face, the resistance of your coil will play little role in the damage.

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That's not even remotely close to a valid definition of what is ignorant.
If I had thought it to be dangerous and somehow exclusive to more experienced vapers I wouldn't have made any mention of it.
But alas, I don't. If you hard short and it blows up in your face, the resistance of your coil will play little role in the damage.

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So venting isn't dangerous?

OK if you say so

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So venting isn't dangerous?

OK if you say so

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In close to a decade of vaping I've never heard of an instance where an accident happens because of low resistance, including venting, have you?
I even Google it just now and couldn't find anything.... I found loose change and batteries, auto fire, 510s not suitable for hybrid tubes and things of that nature. If you know of anyone who has popped a cell because of low ohmage, I'd like to know.
Also should add in some.of the tube communities my .08 builds are on the higher ends of resistances used.... People habitually do .05-.07 on tubes and even then, no accidents.
Sooo...... yeah.
Should also mention 7 or 8 years ago you resistance nazis would March when you heard about anything under an ohm being used.. it's always the same nonsense with you guys...

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In close to a decade of vaping I've never heard of an instance where an accident happens because of low resistance, including venting, have you?
I even Google it just now and couldn't find anything.... I found loose change and batteries, auto fire, 510s not suitable for hybrid tubes and things of that nature. If you know of anyone who has popped a cell because of low ohmage, I'd like to know.
Also should add in some.of the tube communities my .08 builds are on the higher ends of resistances used.... People habitually do .05-.07 on tubes and even then, no accidents.
Sooo...... yeah.
Should also mention 7 or 8 years ago you resistance nazis would March when you heard about anything under an ohm being used.. it's always the same nonsense with you guys...

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I recommend watching this


I haven't had issues cause I've done my homework and take the advice of those that have a clue like Mooch.

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So, you weren't able to find a single instance either, eh?

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Being ignorant is not telling a new mech user to do his/her homework properly and or do his/her homework properly on what exactly it is that defines the word properly. That being said, a single VTC5A battery in a mech with a reliable coil build that ohms out at 0.11 does NOT heat up the battery unless you chain vape it, and, if you chain vape on a mech with that kind of low ohm coil builds, then you shouldn't be touching a mech unless you're the one who really doesn't give a flying fuck about anything so let the battery rest after every puff giving the ions time to spread themselves out across the entire area of the parking lot... for pete's sake I'm not using a pipe bomb, it's an original brand new Purge Mods that Robert signed off on so I'm not factually planning to hit the news after a battery explosion, nor even going to cause the battery to vent on the inside of a pure piece of art like that because believe it or not I'm not a vandal. :)
 

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Nice. Them purge mods look nice I might get me one of them. I think they're made by League of Scndrls but I'm not sure. You got that purge deck/cap too?

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Nice. Them purge mods look nice I might get me one of them. I think they're made by League of Scndrls but I'm not sure. You got that purge deck/cap too?

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Purge Mods is from
Fast Eddie’s Vape Distribution LLC
14 A W. ILLIANA ST.
Orlando, FL. 32806

Yeah, it's got both the original deck and the original matching Maelstrom cap on it... like it's supposed to be. The bottom of the mod has the crown with the four lightning bolts logo engraved on it.
 

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Being ignorant is not telling a new mech user to do his/her homework properly and or do his/her homework properly on what exactly it is that defines the word properly. That being said, a single VTC5A battery in a mech with a reliable coil build that ohms out at 0.11 does NOT heat up the battery unless you chain vape it, and, if you chain vape on a mech with that kind of low ohm coil builds, then you shouldn't be touching a mech unless you're the one who really doesn't give a flying fuck about anything so let the battery rest after every puff giving the ions time to spread themselves out across the entire area of the parking lot... for pete's sake I'm not using a pipe bomb, it's an original brand new Purge Mods that Robert signed off on so I'm not factually planning to hit the news after a battery explosion, nor even going to cause the battery to vent on the inside of a pure piece of art like that because believe it or not I'm not a vandal. :)
Letting them know there are risks and they should be aware of them is not ignorant, it's called looking out for each other. Being ignorant is blindly telling the inexperienced to build super sub ohm without letting them know that there are risks. Kinda like telling people that there are no risks with having unprotected sex.

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So, you weren't able to find a single instance either, eh?

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I take it you never watched the Mooch Video where he pointed out the battery dead shorting from just sitting due to inner plating.

As for venting, they're plenty out there just not going to waste my time with arguing with you.



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Letting them know there are risks and they should be aware of them is not ignorant, it's called looking out for each other. Being ignorant is blindly telling the inexperienced to build super sub ohm without letting them know that there are risks. Kinda like telling people that there are no risks with having unprotected sex.

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Well I'm not a native English speaker so maybe I should have started my 1st sentence with "Ignorance is to not tell" instead of "Ignorance is not telling". If you scroll up, you'll notice I already linked to the same video before you did, but then again IMO people should watch that video at least twice (and that also applies to not just people who own a mech). :)
 

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Well I'm not a native English speaker so maybe I should have started my 1st sentence with "Ignorance is to not tell" instead of "Ignorance is not telling". If you scroll up, you'll notice I already linked to the same video before you did, but then again IMO people should watch that video at least twice (and that also applies to not just people who own a mech). :)
Oh that's one of the hazards of forums and not speaking face to face.

Yes people need to be aware of the basic information and make their own decisions.

We're on the same page

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I personally never build below .2Ω on a tube mod. At the same time, I wouldn't ever build a .5Ω either. For some reason every time I build higher than like .4Ω I get very little vapor production on a tube mod. Is the a way to help this? I'm open to suggestions. Would be nice to just have a chill vape every once in a while.

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I personally never build below .2Ω on a tube mod. At the same time, I wouldn't ever build a .5Ω either. For some reason every time I build higher than like .4Ω I get very little vapor production on a tube mod. Is the a way to help this? I'm open to suggestions. Would be nice to just have a chill vape every once in a while.

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You can try building with SS since it has lowest resistance per linear inch. Ni80 is what I prefer for tube. Parallels and fused clapton work great on tube as long as wrap is between 36-40G.
on the end it all depends on the atty that you use, so it's hard to recommend anything without knowing what's on top of the tube.
Whatever I would recommend would not be socially acceptable on this forum anyway.
 

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You can try building with SS since it has lowest resistance per linear inch. Ni80 is what I prefer for tube. Parallels and fused clapton work great on tube as long as wrap is between 36-40G.
on the end it all depends on the atty that you use, so it's hard to recommend anything without knowing what's on top of the tube.
Whatever I would recommend would not be socially acceptable on this forum anyway.
I'm looking for a good build for my Wotofo Lush. I miss using that atty

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I personally never build below .2Ω on a tube mod. At the same time, I wouldn't ever build a .5Ω either. For some reason every time I build higher than like .4Ω I get very little vapor production on a tube mod. Is the a way to help this? I'm open to suggestions. Would be nice to just have a chill vape every once in a while.

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Me I'm usually around 0.18 on a single battery mod. With 0.4 that would be a single coil on something like a Kayfun for me. Anything more would just be too anemic for the way I like to vape. Around 0.5-0.6 is good for a series Mod but not parallel or single tube.

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