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JuicyLucy

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So basically, the higher the resistance, the cooler the vape, right?

Yes

And remember, while many people feel there is better flavor at lower ohms and higher wattage - that is their experience, not a hard rule.

Some of us have more refined pallets and higher wattage I taste the impurities - and I'm not the only one
 

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Refined pallets are not precluded at higher wattage. If I taste anything like an impurity I will stop using the juice.

It just boils down to what pleases you most. There is no single recipe for success. This is why I say it's an art and a science. I tried the low wattage avenue first. It wasn't terrible, just wasn't enough for me. I am not talking about how big the clouds are but the temp and flavor that meets my satisfaction.

It's an individual thing, and the art is finding what makes you happy.

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So basically, the higher the resistance, the cooler the vape, right?

Well, yes, sort of. I think it's more correct to say, the higher the wattage, the hotter the vapor or the lower the wattage, the cooler the vapor.

Here's the deal, if you are coming from an eco-CC, then your resistance on your coil was either 2.2 ohms or as low as 1.8 ohms. So we'll just say it was 2 ohms. The voltage on an ego battery is 3.7-4.2 volts for the most part when charged up and working properly. Let's just say 4v. We won't take voltage drop into consideration as there is very little on a fixed voltage ego compared to a variable voltage ego set above 4v.

That is Very low wattage vaping with a cool vape and low vapor production compared to today's standards & product offerings, not taking into consideration the cigalikes and the pod setups.

Vaping at 4v on 2 ohms, your wattage is 8 Watts.

So lets say you want to go to a 0.3 ohm coil.

You would have to vape at 1.55 volts to get 8 watts. If you set your mod at 8 watts on a 0.3 ohm coil, you wont even get any vapor. I just set my mod to 8W with a 1.0 ohm coil....no vapor. You'd really have to crank up the watts on your mod to get anything out of it. By the time you found the wattage you want to get the same vapor production as your ego CC, your up high in the wattage and your draining your battery much faster than if you just go with, say 1.5 ohm coil.

So the point is here, as I said before, if you want the same exact vape, or at least somewhat similar to your ego CC, 0.3 ohm coils would be a grave mistake.

Now you unless you build your own coils, you won't get any 2 ohm coils in today's modern tanks. But you can get as high as 1.8 ohms if you go with a tank like the aspire nautilus line. I suggest the kanger toptank, though, because it comes with an RTA deck so you can build your own coils very easily later on if you want.

SO, for a kanger toptank, you can get the SSOCC coils at 1.5 ohms, however they are harder to find than the 1.2 ohms. So at 1.2 ohms, if you set your mod to even 10 watts, you will get ABOUT the same vape as an ego CC at 2 ohms.

Let's say you end up bumping it up to 13W-15W. A single 18650 battery mod will last a good many hours assuming you are not chain vaping. Even then you have about 3-5 hours at that wattage. maybe more.

HOWEVER,

Keep in mind that everything will be different as the ego CC is a very tight hit, whereas today's tanks, even the ones that claim they are mouth-to-lung tanks, are CONSIDERABLY looser draw than an ego CC tank. You will also have to draw lighter or you will end up flooding your coil at such low wattage.

If you want the same exact thing out of you new setup, including a super tight draw, you may want to look into a pod setup like a myJet or a Cync or a Juul. The Cync has a box-type setup. As with your Ego CC, these pod systems are not able to be adjusted. They are basically the same as egos and cigalikes in that they put out a fixed 3.7-4.2volts.

http://vapespider.com/?s=myjet

http://vapespider.com/?s=&s=cync&ct10995[]=115&advanced_search=yes

http://vapespider.com/?s=juul

Whatever you do, please think twice before getting a sub ohm tank like a Smok beast with a 0.3 ohm coil unless you intend to increase your vapor temperature and production. I think you will be sorely disappointed if you are looking for a cool vape and no mega clouds.

Yes, it is true, the hotter the vape, the more the flavor, but you have to consider what is more important for you, mega flavor, or cooler vape. You can't really have both.
 
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Refined pallets are not precluded at higher wattage. If I taste anything like an impurity I will stop using the juice.

It just boils down to what pleases you most. There is no single recipe for success. This is why I say it's an art and a science. I tried the low wattage avenue first. It wasn't terrible, just wasn't enough for me. I am not talking about how big the clouds are but the temp and flavor that meets my satisfaction.

It's an individual thing, and the art is finding what makes you happy.

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I have been saying the same thing, but not everyone listens.
 

eSMOKA

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Yes

And remember, while many people feel there is better flavor at lower ohms and higher wattage - that is their experience, not a hard rule.

Some of us have more refined pallets and higher wattage I taste the impurities - and I'm not the only one

I agree.

For me, anything over 18W or so, the vapor is too warm for my taste and I don't like the IN-YOUR-FACE flavor for most juices I have vaped. Besides, the taste gets vastly different at higher wattages than my preferred 15-18W. Most of the time it is a bad thing as the flavor goes from good to horrible....for me.

But some people like hot vapor, big clouds and IN-YOUR-FACE flavor.
 

fraleywp

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I agree.

For me, anything over 18W or so, the vapor is too warm for my taste and I don't like the IN-YOUR-FACE flavor for most juices I have vaped. Besides, the taste gets vastly different at higher wattages than my preferred 15-18W. Most of the time it is a bad thing as the flavor goes from good to horrible....for me.

But some people like hot vapor, big clouds and IN-YOUR-FACE flavor.
I get your point. This is why I have various mods, RDAs/RDTAs and tanks. They are all set up differently for different juice. That is something we haven't touched on really. Some juice is better at low temp while others are better at high temp IMO. It is another one of those personal taste things. I like variety so I try them all on different setups.

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I get your point. This is why I have various mods, RDAs/RDTAs and tanks. They are all set up differently for different juice. That is something we haven't touched on really. Some juice is better at low temp while others are better at high temp IMO. It is another one of those personal taste things. I like variety so I try them all on different setups.

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Temperature at the surface of the coil also depends on other factors like airflow, i.e. aerodynamic properties of both the atty and the coil as well as how fast you suck air into the atty, how you adjust this velocity during your puff in order to compensate for ramp up, the wicking process that is determined by both the wick itself and the properties of the coil like total surface area, size, shape, as well as thermodynamic factors like what type(s) of metal make(s) up the coil and how much of each type of metal the coil contains, and how fast the juice can evaporate because the faster it evaporates the faster the evaporation process itself extracts heat directly from the metal surface (fact). Not to mention advanced coil builds that add all sorts of staged heating effects that can be very complex, and how that stuff interacts with the aforementioned wicking process.
 

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I get your point. This is why I have various mods, RDAs/RDTAs and tanks. They are all set up differently for different juice. That is something we haven't touched on really. Some juice is better at low temp while others are better at high temp IMO. It is another one of those personal taste things. I like variety so I try them all on different setups.

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I completely agree there. That's exactly why I have different set ups also. It also depends on my mood. One day I may want the strong flavor, the next I may want it cooler and more mild. Sometimes the CB is just too much for me too even though I've been vaping 5 years. Allergy season is a good example of that. If I'm congested at all, it's definitely low wattage time.


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I agree.

For me, anything over 18W or so, the vapor is too warm for my taste and I don't like the IN-YOUR-FACE flavor for most juices I have vaped. Besides, the taste gets vastly different at higher wattages than my preferred 15-18W. Most of the time it is a bad thing as the flavor goes from good to horrible....for me.

But some people like hot vapor, big clouds and IN-YOUR-FACE flavor.

You are right, but I think most new vapers go through the big cloud phase. Why not have a setup that can handle both?


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fraleywp

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Temperature at the surface of the coil also depends on other factors like airflow, i.e. aerodynamic properties of both the atty and the coil as well as how fast you suck air into the atty, how you adjust this velocity during your puff in order to compensate for ramp up, the wicking process that is determined by both the wick itself and the properties of the coil like total surface area, size, shape, as well as thermodynamic factors like what type(s) of metal make(s) up the coil and how much of each type of metal the coil contains, and how fast the juice can evaporate because the faster it evaporates the faster the evaporation process itself extracts heat directly from the metal surface (fact). Not to mention advanced coil builds that add all sorts of staged heating effects that can be very complex, and how that stuff interacts with the aforementioned wicking process.
I understand but not trying to get overly technical with a basically novice user.

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I think we can all agree that whatever he gets, if he sticks with vaping, it won't be his last purchase.

A couple things that y'all keep forgetting. HE TRAVELS ALOT. I do too. That being said, convenience needs to be taken into account. For example, I drive a big truck. I need something thats going to last me 11 hrs of chain vaping. That means 3 batteries and a large tank that holds a lot of juice. It also means that I need USB charging in a pinch just in case the batts run low. I don't think y'all want me changing batteries and filling tanks while I'm rolling at 70 mph down the highway at 80,000 lbs. Just a guess. If he happens to be driving a lot in his travels, he may have the same needs. The gear I've suggested are my daily drivers because of the convenience and flexibility. While I agree that he may not want to jump in with both feet, he made a point to say it has to fit his lifestyle. He is less likely to continue vaping if it's annoying and inconvenient and he's having to refill frequently or constantly running out of power or dragging extra batteries and more crap than just extra juice. If we want him to be successful, this needs to fit his lifestyle too. He can get used to the vape in an Atlantis EASY. It will give him what he needs and be an easy stressful way to start.

If we are going to help and make suggestions, we need to read ALL of what he said and try to help tailor things to his situation. We can't just lump him in with every other beginning vaper out there.


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I understand but not trying to get overly technical with a basically novice user.

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My thought exactly on a few of these comments. Bringing in ohms law right away is just too much. They need to keep it simple. Let's get him vaping before we ask him to become a mad scientist. Lol


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...But we don't know if the reason why he travels a lot is simply because he IS a mad scientist. I mean, what if it pans out he chases big tornado storms for a living? :D
 

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...But we don't know if the reason why he travels a lot is simply because he IS a mad scientist. I mean, what if it pans out he chases big tornado storms for a living? :D

Lmao! Point taken!


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I totally understand and agree. I had reservations about bringing in ohms law, but I decided to do it mainly to show the "science" behind why I think vaping at 0.3 ohms may not be for him given what he has told us about what he prefers and where he has been.

Hey, I could be wrong. Maybe the OP would end up really enjoying 0.3 ohm vaping. But from what I read, not likely, at least not right now. Ego CC (which he was happy with) to a fog machine? That's a BIG difference in vaping style and temperature.

It's unfortunate that vaping takes so much brain power, especially when trying to make precise recommendation on a forum. I suspect this is why many smokers will never take up vaping. It can be more involved than even RYO cigarettes ... fill, roll, light, smoke. Unless they can but a cigalike at a convenience store and he happy with that, they just say "FUGGIT"!

But I do stand by my recommendation.
Pico 75W,
Toptank Mini and also
3x 18650 batteries and
1x 18650 charger. Nitecore chargers will do just fine. Any good brand will do. Best to spend just a couple bucks more and get a 4-bay charger, IMHO.

But once a setup is found that works, it's always best to have a backup mod and tank.
 

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What about the smok quantum for a mod? Its a 80w device with TC. Is it any good? Cause right now i can get it for dirt cheap, like 20 bucks with the discount.
 

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Personally, I just bought a alien 220 TC with a cloud beast. I like it and I am still learning about it.


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So now I have a "random" question of my own. When I started vaping I started at 80 watts on a .3 ohm dual coil build, moved to 90 watts in about a week after that, then 140 watts after 3 more weeks... if you will have gone back to vaping, with only 80 watts on tap then how soon do you imagine you could be back to smoking regular cigarettes again because you didn't enjoy vaping enough to even want to bother to click on a website and order new coils? :grumpy:
 

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What about the smok quantum for a mod? Its a 80w device with TC. Is it any good? Cause right now i can get it for dirt cheap, like 20 bucks with the discount.
Seems like a reasonable price. It seems like a good mod to get your feet wet. It also has bluetooth and over the air updating via bluetooth. 80 watts is plenty for now, and you can use a lot of different coils or RDAs with 80 watts. I think you could learn a lot with it for very little out of pocket.

What kind of tank are you considering? I still think something like the tfv8 baby beast or tfv8 big baby beast is a good starter tank. The big baby includes an RBA (for building your own coils) and a larger capacity for juice. Either would run the q2 coils which are .40 ohms.

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Seems like a reasonable price. It seems like a good mod to get your feet wet. It also has bluetooth and over the air updating via bluetooth. 80 watts is plenty for now, and you can use a lot of different coils or RDAs with 80 watts. I think you could learn a lot with it for very little out of pocket.

What kind of tank are you considering? I still think something like the tfv8 baby beast or tfv8 big baby beast is a good starter tank. The big baby includes an RBA (for building your own coils) and a larger capacity for juice. Either would run the q2 coils which are .40 ohms.

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For the tank i was looking into the Aspire Nautilus X since i like a cooler vapor, and they do have 1,5 and 1,8ohm heads.
 

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What about the pg/vg ratio and coil resistances? Since i'm planning to use a 70/30 blend, will i be okay with 1,5 and 1,8ohm coils?
 

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Depends on how basic you want for you mod. Since you are just trying to quit the best bet would likely be a MTL tank and a simple small mod.
I'd recommend something like the teslacigs three (not the invader 3) where it's a 1 button mod. all it does is fire no adjustments. it has an internal 5000mah lipo for good battery life. it's small and lightweight. and for the tank a aspire nautilus mini. it's well known to be one of the best MTL tanks.
It's not always necessary to overkill things or go all out. just start by getting off the cigs and later on you can upgrade to something different
 

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Depends on how basic you want for you mod. Since you are just trying to quit the best bet would likely be a MTL tank and a simple small mod.
I'd recommend something like the teslacigs three (not the invader 3) where it's a 1 button mod. all it does is fire no adjustments. it has an internal 5000mah lipo for good battery life. it's small and lightweight. and for the tank a aspire nautilus mini. it's well known to be one of the best MTL tanks.
It's not always necessary to overkill things or go all out. just start by getting off the cigs and later on you can upgrade to something different
IMHO Its stupid to buy devices after devices after devices. I agree with what some of you said, that a huge mod is overkill and especially since i don't like hot vape, i can see why its not for me. Also, you have to understand, that mods cost a bit different where i live, its not as cheap, a simple mod costs AT LEAST 60euro,so you know, in my opinion its a bit stupid to keep ''upgrading'', cuz honestly i see it as a waste of money, plus here its nearly impossible to sell a used mod, unless its for dirt cheap. Id rather spend a bit more, but have it more futureproof.

''BUY QUALITY AND YOU'LL CRY ONCE - BUY CHEAP AND CRY FOREVER'' ;)
 

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IMHO Its stupid to buy devices after devices after devices. I agree with what some of you said, that a huge mod is overkill and especially since i don't like hot vape, i can see why its not for me. Also, you have to understand, that mods cost a bit different where i live, its not as cheap, a simple mod costs AT LEAST 60euro,so you know, in my opinion its a bit stupid to keep ''upgrading'', cuz honestly i see it as a waste of money, plus here its nearly impossible to sell a used mod, unless its for dirt cheap. Id rather spend a bit more, but have it more futureproof.

''BUY QUALITY AND YOU'LL CRY ONCE - BUY CHEAP AND CRY FOREVER'' ;)
I agree with you, no reason to upgrade all the time. The thing with a starter style mod is you don't need to upgrade, it's only if you want to. I mean i started on a little ego c twist mod with a kanger evod tank. it got me off chewing tobacco but i moved on. there are still people vaping on them for years. it's really up to you and your personality.

If you wanted a solid, more advanced mod i'd say go with the smoant battlestar. gearbets has them for 32 euro with free shipping. but you'll need at least 2 batteries (4 is preferable so you have a spare set) and recommended to buy an external charger as well.

For tanks, most people quit using a MTL tank. you can bypass it if you want, that's really up to you, but alot of smokers don't get the hit they want from sub ohm tanks
 

eSMOKA

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What about the smok quantum for a mod? Its a 80w device with TC. Is it any good? Cause right now i can get it for dirt cheap, like 20 bucks with the discount.

If you can get it that cheap, then yes. Just make sure you check youtube reviews on the device to make sure it's not a dud. I know a lot of people like SMOK, but my experience with Smok is that they make great looking products and sales pages, but the products end up being very poorly built.

Just do your research.

Also, you have to understand, that mods cost a bit different where i live, its not as cheap, a simple mod costs AT LEAST 60euro

That's why a lot of European vapers buy from Chinese online vape stores.
 

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If you can get it that cheap, then yes. Just make sure you check youtube reviews on the device to make sure it's not a dud. I know a lot of people like SMOK, but my experience with Smok is that they make great looking products and sales pages, but the products end up being very poorly built.

Just do your research.



That's why a lot of European vapers buy from Chinese online vape stores.
Do you know any of the sites so i could have a look?
 

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SirRichardRear

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Look at the banner in my signature and the links I provided in other posts. They are links to a vape search engine, not a store, where you can search for products to buy from many vape sites, including Chinese sites. That's why I provided them to you, so you could find a site that was suitable for your needs :)
cool link. check out vapecrawler.com as well :)
 

eSMOKA

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Just realize that buying from Chinese retailers isn't for everyone. You have to be patient, among other things. Personally, I only buy from China anymore. But it isn't for everyone.
 

VapeNMirrors

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I agree with the Pico Kit. It is realy a great all purpose and capable mod and it's tiny and sleek. Also quite inexpensive, very stylish, great ergonomics, and has surprisingly excellent build and materials. The paint is very durable and will will survive a lot of drops (RE: I broke my tank again hon). The 510 is probably Joyetech's best effort. It's one of the few mods I think everyone should have in their collection and it's great as a 1st. Move to the bigger stuff from there.

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