Best Wire For Tobacco Gunk / Cleaning

[EarnestAccord]

I'm realizing how nieve I am in dealing with excessive gunking on my coils. I got into DIY'ing almost a month after I started vaping and never looked back. I don't use any sweeteners or typically gunking type flavors. I recently got into making Tobacco flavors and I was shocked at how quickly my coils would decline in performance. Now I understand what everyones been griping about. I only use SS 316L and usually in some clapton, fused or staggered build. I pefer to not dry burn my coils when cleaning them and can usually clean everything up by just pulsing at 15w a few times, rake and wash with water. That routine is not going to cut it with this new Tobacco gunk. Not to mention any extra nooks and cranies with-in my more complex wire. Stuff is thick! I'm thinking that I'll have to dedicate a RTA/RDA to my Tobacco juices and revert back to round Kanthal so I can dry fire it till it's glowing. How do you Tobacco users deal with this aspect of using Tobaccos?

 

[pulsevape]

What do you mean...making Tobacco flavorings? if you mean making your own extracts out of macerated tobacco leaves or making a NET juice from cigars or cigs or pipe tobacco, well then you're screwed ..I would filter my extracts down through a 2 micron lab filter and they would still gunk coils.If you use a 50/50 vg/pg mix you won't have to use so much extract that will help a little...but the fact of the matter is Naturally Extracted Tobacco juices, even the best just gunk coils. I've had guys who sell NET extacts tell me they would change wicks and dry burn their coils twice a day.sometimes 3 times a day..it is the nature of the beast. best advice find a way to vape that is easy for your to change wicks, and coils. filter your extracts as best you can and use as little extract as possible in your juice.
I found some decent Tobacco flavorings that are not NET extracts like Hangsen or I just vape NET juice rarely for a treat.

 

[EarnestAccord]

What do you mean...making Tobacco flavorings? if you mean making your own extracts out of macerated tobacco leaves or making a NET juice from cigars or cigs or pipe tobacco, well then you're screwed ..I would filter my extracts down through a 2 micron lab filter and they would still gunk coils.If you use a 50/50 vg/pg mix you won't have to use so much extract that will help a little...but the fact of the matter is Naturally Extracted Tobacco juices, even the best just gunk coils. I've had guys who sell NET extacts tell me they would change wicks and dry burn their coils twice a day.sometimes 3 times a day..it is the nature of the beast. best advice find a way to vape that is easy for your to change wicks, and coils. filter your extracts as best you can and use as little extract as possible in your juice.
I found some decent Tobacco flavorings that are not NET extracts like Hangsen or I just vape NET juice rarely for a treat.

I'm using all premade concentrates.
TPA RY4 Double
FA Burley
FLV Cured Tobacco
HS RY1
INWA Am4a

No NET's. Though I do have my eye on a few "absolute" concentrates. Twice a day would be a deal breaker for me. Once every 2 or 3 would be about my limit. I wonder if they ever try and go wickless..?

 

[pulsevape]

I'm using all premade concentrates.
TPA RY4 Double
FA Burley
FLV Cured Tobacco
HS RY1
INWA Am4a

No NET's. Though I do have my eye on a few "absolute" concentrates. Twice a day would be a deal breaker for me. Once every 2 or 3 would be about my limit. I wonder if they ever try and go wickless..?

I use Hangsens flavorings and I can go 3-5 days easy...you should be able to go at least that long on tobacco flavorings..I use about 10% flavoring.and 75% VG...the wick is not the real problem..it is the wire of the coil that gets gunked.

 

[Menthol]

How about using a genny , I vape all my tobaccos on gennies and probably change wick and coil once a year

 

[DP2Raja]

I DIY NET (cigars mostly) in 100% pg. Use about 15-17% extract in 100%VG base. I only use Kanthal Claptons or Tiger wire. I change the wick every 2 - 3days (less than 5 minutes). I filter my extract while it is still very warm (thin) 6 times. Through a AeroPress coffee press ($30 on Amazon). The first 3 filtrations I use a single filter pad at the bottom, then 2 pads for the final 3 filtrations/pressings) Total time to filter half a Mason jar is about 30 minutes, but then you have NET concentrate for about 4-5 months. Filter it well and it will add a day to the life of your wicks. I just dry burn the coils and a small firm bristle brush finishes the coil cleaning. I use my coils for about 3 weeks before they need changing.

The changing of the wicks every 2-3 days is well worth the exceptional flavor and pleasure a good NET gives over the Tobacco "flavored" juices.

EDIT: 100% PG for extraction base...not VG. 100% VG for the mix/flavor base.

 

[pulsevape]

How about using a genny , I vape all my tobaccos on gennies and probably change wick and coil once a year

damn..I vape gennys too and I change my coil about once a week...and when I do the wire is filthy dry burning or not.

I DIY NET (cigars mostly) in 100% vg. Use about 15-17% extract in 100%VG base. I only use Kanthal Claptons or Tiger wire. I change the wick every 2 - 3days (less than 5 minutes). I filter my extract while it is still very warm (thin) 6 times. Through a AeroPress coffee press ($30 on Amazon). The first 3 filtrations I use a single filter pad at the bottom, then 2 pads for the final 3 filtrations/pressings) Total time to filter half a Mason jar is about 30 minutes, but then you have NET concentrate for about 4-5 months. Filter it well and it will add a day to the life of your wicks. I just dry burn the coils and a small firm bristle brush finishes the coil cleaning. I use my coils for about 3 weeks before they need changing.

The changing of the wicks every 2-3 days is well worth the exceptional flavor and pleasure a good NET gives over the Tobacco "flavored" juices.

I agree it is beyond a pain in the ass....but there is nothing that comes close to a good NET juice.

 

[MaxUT]

I really like to mix with Nude Nicotine Tobacco flavor as a base flavor. It's an NET but less gunking than others I've used.
Only takes 2.25% to make a full-flavored basic tobacco juice, good solo or combined with HS, FLV or INW tobaccos.

If you order, be prepared to wait 3 weeks or so for delivery. (maybe they have to harvest the tobacco first...)

 

[DP2Raja]

I really like to mix with Nude Nicotine Tobacco flavor as a base flavor. It's an NET but less gunking than others I've used.
Only takes 2.25% to make a full-flavored basic tobacco juice, good solo or combined with HS, FLV or INW tobaccos.
If you order, be prepared to wait 3 weeks or so for delivery. (maybe they have to harvest the tobacco first...)

I have always ordered my VG nic base from them MaxUT. I have noticed their NET Tobacco flavor and thought about buying it. Everything else they sell is top notch.

I'll keep in mind the wait time though! Thanks for the tip.

 

[pulsevape]

I really like to mix with Nude Nicotine Tobacco flavor as a base flavor. It's an NET but less gunking than others I've used.
Only takes 2.25% to make a full-flavored basic tobacco juice, good solo or combined with HS, FLV or INW tobaccos.

If you order, be prepared to wait 3 weeks or so for delivery. (maybe they have to harvest the tobacco first...)

Carolina extracts make their nic from actual tobacco and it a s a very clean yet distinct faint underlying flavor of tobacco....I gotta say I've tried a good many NETs. but I just tried a 30 ml of Blacknotes NET juice and true to reputation the stuff vapes surprisingly clean fro a NET.

 

[pulsevape]

I DIY NET (cigars mostly) in 100% pg. Use about 15-17% extract in 100%VG base. I only use Kanthal Claptons or Tiger wire. I change the wick every 2 - 3days (less than 5 minutes). I filter my extract while it is still very warm (thin) 6 times. Through a AeroPress coffee press ($30 on Amazon). The first 3 filtrations I use a single filter pad at the bottom, then 2 pads for the final 3 filtrations/pressings) Total time to filter half a Mason jar is about 30 minutes, but then you have NET concentrate for about 4-5 months. Filter it well and it will add a day to the life of your wicks. I just dry burn the coils and a small firm bristle brush finishes the coil cleaning. I use my coils for about 3 weeks before they need changing.

The changing of the wicks every 2-3 days is well worth the exceptional flavor and pleasure a good NET gives over the Tobacco "flavored" juices.

EDIT: 100% PG for extraction base...not VG. 100% VG for the mix/flavor base.

yeah I did this, but my final filtering was through a 2 micron lab filter...tried PGA extraction as well. I used about 10% to 12% extract for a 75 VG 25 PG juice........I think I could have really lower the amount of extract needed if I just upped the PG levels to 50/50...

 

[DP2Raja]

yeah I did this, but my final filtering was through a 2 micron lab filter...tried PGA extraction as well. I used about 10% to 12% extract for a 75 VG 25 PG juice........I think I could have really lower the amount of extract needed if I just upped the PG levels to 50/50...

Pulse, what are you extracting from? Cigars, whole leaf, or what? Just curious.

 

[pulsevape]

Pulse, what are you extracting from? Cigars, whole leaf, or what? Just curious.

yeah mostly cigars, some pipe and cigaette tobaccos..I'd be curious to try sun dried whole leaf that hasn't been cured with sugars, s I think they would gunk coils far less. from everything I've come across the biggest problems are from..waxes,sugars, and organic patriculates in the extract...the particulates we can filter out...it's the waxes and the sugars that filters won't filter out. it could also be a balancing act...filter too finely you lose flavor, don't filter enough your vaping mud.
to me the issue is finding a set up that will deliver the great flavor of using NETs but is easy to change out wicks and dry burn coils....I'm pretty sure NETs are always gonna be a pain in the ass.it is the nature of the beast.

 

[pulsevape]

How about using a genny , I vape all my tobaccos on gennies and probably change wick and coil once a year

what gennys are you using.

 

[EarnestAccord]

To follow up my question as to what type of coils, gunk slower and are more easily cleaned. I did find a random article regarding this issue. After much google fu. They sugested to keep to simple round wire, larger diameters and spaced. I guess generally to build a lower heat flux coil. I ran with a Kanthal A1 26g, 3d, .3ohm, spaced coil, all week. Using a mostly RY4 juice and made it 4 days until I absolutely had to clean. Could probably have cleaned on day 3. The ability to dry burn and the simple round wire made cleaning a breaze. Just vaporized all the crud, washed, wicked and done!

 

[MaxUT]

I'm also using Kanthal A1 26g for tobaccos, but 2.5mm and minimally spaced. Too much gap between wraps and it'll POP after resting for a while.
I clean and rewick every other day. It would run longer but a hint of wet cardboard taste starts to creep in.

Spacing the coil does retard gunk buildup and make cleaning easier. Seems to improve vapor production and flavor as well.

 

[pulsevape]

It has been accepted among NET affecindos as a truisim that tobaccos vape best on ss mesh to get their best flavor..for tobaccos I've been squonking a mulciber clone with 26 gauge kanthal and a ss mesh wick..it's easy to pull out the wick dry burn the coil torch the wick and pop it back in.