Batch size

[mattdarat]

Recently I have gotten a few of my recipes where I want them. ADVs for sure but now I've been making 60ml batches and I mix right into the bottle. I have an order in the cart on NR for 2oz of the flavorings and more big and pg/vg. I also added 240ml bottles and 250ml flasks to mix in to make 240ml batches. Just curious if anyone else mixes in volume and if so what volume and what do you mix and store it in? I was thinking glass flask to mix and plastic twist cap to store it then refill 30ml bottles as needed. What does everyone here do?

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[fozzy71]

100ml batches in 120ml glass (and 150 ml azlon) bottles most of the time but I also have some 250ml azlon bottles that I will mix 220ml batches in. I mix by weight directly into whatever it will be steeping in.

 

[SteveS45]

I usually mix 3-4 60ML bottles at the most because my taste is fickle and what is great today might change by the morning. Hate to have big bottles of an e-Liquid I grew tired of hanging around.

 

[wllmc]

I use plastic for everything , it doesn't break when I drop it I mix everything right on the scale, my nicer scale broke so now actually I just use beakers when I'm doing 500ml sizes because the one I have now wont read that much weight. measure everything individually in a beaker and then pour it in the plastic bottle ,. I mix my ADV's 500 mls at a time. but only a handful make that list. usually 3 or 4 500ml batches will last the wife and I a couple months so they are not stored that long. everything else in between gets mixed in plastic, 4oz, 60 ml and 30 ml.

 

[SteveS45]

I only use glass to store e-Liquids I find using glass is better.

 

[CactusFanaticus]

I basically vape one flavor and have it down, so 500ml. It's easier making large batches using graduated cylinders, than smaller ones messing with syringes IMO.

 

[SteveS45]

I basically vape one flavor

I will never understand how someone could vape only one flavor? Although a Tobacco blend is one I vape every day I change the blend at least 4-5 times a day and with flavors that is anywhere from 2 to 6 per day! More power to you though @CactusFanaticus All that matters is you enjoy what you are doing!

 

[CactusFanaticus]

I will never understand how someone could vape only one flavor? Although a Tobacco blend is one I vape every day I change the blend at least 4-5 times a day and with flavors that is anywhere from 2 to 6 per day! More power to you though @CactusFanaticus All that matters is you enjoy what you are doing!

Yeah, I kinda envy everyone who is constantly vaping on something different. When I try something new I may think it's ok and tastes good but it just doesn't do it for me, I always crave my juice. There is like one other flavor I can vape, but my #1 is in another mod in arms reach lol. Possibly a psychological thing where my brain associates the flavor with getting my nic fix not sure.

Maybe if I forced myself to vape different flavors often I'd enjoy them more.

 

[wllmc]

I only use glass to store e-Liquids I find using glass is better.

If I was hording Ejuice I would pick glass but Ive never really seen any major differences in what I vape, its gone long before any long term storage would be needed.

 

[SteveS45]

Possibly a psychological thing where my brain associates the flavor with getting my nic fix not sure.

When I first started vaping it was Tobacco only and flavors? Me vaping flavors? When I finally found one I could take that was the beginning of a whole new aspect of vaping.

 

[Doomsday Vaper]

I basically vape one flavor and have it down, so 500ml. It's easier making large batches using graduated cylinders, than smaller ones messing with syringes IMO.

I also only vape one flavor, mix in pint and quart mason jars.

 

[CactusFanaticus]

I also only vape one flavor, mix in pint and quart mason jars.

Thanks, awesome idea, I have tons of mason jars from another hobby. Perfect storage vessel as well as graduated

 

[AndriaD]

Yeah, I kinda envy everyone who is constantly vaping on something different. When I try something new I may think it's ok and tastes good but it just doesn't do it for me, I always crave my juice. There is like one other flavor I can vape, but my #1 is in another mod in arms reach lol. Possibly a psychological thing where my brain associates the flavor with getting my nic fix not sure.

Maybe if I forced myself to vape different flavors often I'd enjoy them more.

Same here. I smoked the same brand of cigarettes for more than 30 yrs; I have no need to be sampling diff flavors all day like a fucking honeybee. It just has to taste familiar; that the familiar is a very yummy strawberry & cream is just icing on the cake -- the familiar used to be [nasty] tobacco.

I mix 56ml every 10 days or so, in 60ml bottles. I mix straight into the bottle, but I've found it's easier, with that large a volume, to use my 50ml graduated cylinder for the PG/VG and nic; pour that into the bottle, then add the flavors, and shake. Let sit for 3-4 days, then vape.

Andria

 

[VapeNMirrors]

I use borosilicate lab media storage jars, mix 500ml to 1l then bottle in 30-240ml glass. Everything mixed by weight. You can often find high quality lab glass cheap on Amazon.

 

[SteveS45]

Maybe if I forced myself to vape different flavors often I'd enjoy them more.

Can't force yourself to like something in my opinion maybe an acquired taste?

 

[mattdarat]

I use borosilicate lab media storage jars, mix 500ml to 1l then bottle in 30-240ml glass. Everything mixed by weight. You can often find high quality lab glass cheap on Amazon.

You mix 1l of a single flavor?

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[VapeNMirrors]

You mix 1l of a single flavor?

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Yup, but it gets split up across 4 people, some of it gets set aside for longer steeping. I mix about once a month.

 

[jasonandsarah]

Thanks for making this thread @mattdarat! Great to hear what other people do, being a newbie mixer myself. After a couple failed attempts and a couple "ahhhhh that's ok" attempts I finally made my first really good juice the other day. Started with 15ml and used that in one day, so today I mixed up 60ml. Next Im thinking Trash can? Lol
Another question for the experienced, is their a difference in flavor depending on batch size? I keep thinking about people saying you have to adjust recipes for food depending on the amount you make.

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[fozzy71]

Thanks for making this thread @mattdarat! Great to hear what other people do, being a newbie mixer myself. After a couple failed attempts and a couple "ahhhhh that's ok" attempts I finally made my first really good juice the other day. Started with 15ml and used that in one day, so today I mixed up 60ml. Next Im thinking Trash can? Lol
Another question for the experienced, is their a difference in flavor depending on batch size? I keep thinking about people saying you have to adjust recipes for food depending on the amount you make.

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there might be but not enough to notice. I mix at the same percents by weight regardless if I am making 20ml or 200ml+

 

[Time]

I used to mix 20 or so 10 and 15ml bottles, all different flavors. Change up the flavors I was vaping often.

I got bored of mixing.

Now I mix 1 flavor at 500+ml. I only vape five ml a day so 100 days worth?

And, it's the flavor that gunked coils and wick the least because I got tired of building and wicking too.

I too only smoked one brand of cigs and I chewed gum for flavor. I do much the same vaping now. Too many fun things to do than sit around mixing juice, building/changing coils and rewicking.

And I bought bulk supplies when I started so I don't even order anything vape related but rarely.

 

[AndriaD]

I used to mix 20 or so 10 and 15ml bottles, all different flavors. Change up the flavors I was vaping often.

I got bored of mixing.

Now I mix 1 flavor at 500+ml. I only vape five ml a day so 100 days worth?

And, it's the flavor that gunked coils and wick the least because I got tired of building and wicking too.

I too only smoked one brand of cigs and I chewed gum for flavor. I do much the same vaping now. Too many fun things to do than sit around mixing juice, building/changing coils and rewicking.

And I bought bulk supplies when I started so I don't even order anything vape related but rarely.

I vape about 5ml daily, too -- how can you keep such a large quantity from "over-ripening" over time? If I make more than about 10 days' worth, after about 2 wks, it just doesn't taste good. I dunno any way around having to mix it every 10 days.

Andria

 

[Time]

I vape about 5ml daily, too -- how can you keep such a large quantity from "over-ripening" over time? If I make more than about 10 days' worth, after about 2 wks, it just doesn't taste good. I dunno any way around having to mix it every 10 days.

Andria

I've always liked old juice. To me, it gets sweeter and smoother. I won't even touch a mix until it's at least two weeks old, unless it's a straight fruit like raspberry or such. Those I can shake and vape. Tobaccos and complex mixes need time though for my taste buds.

 

[AndriaD]

I've always liked old juice. To me, it gets sweeter and smoother. I won't even touch a mix until it's at least two weeks old, unless it's a straight fruit like raspberry or such. Those I can shake and vape. Tobaccos and complex mixes need time though for my taste buds.

Mine's just strawberry & cream, though very rich with custard flavor (vanilla swirl, DX bavarian, and CAP sweet cream). I've heard that custard flavors need time to steep, but I let mine sit only about a week after mixing, before I start vaping it; that seems to be the sweet spot. Of course, I use a lot of flavoring, and only arrived at a week's steep after bringing it down to 25% flavoring, from its original 31%. I guess it's all a balance -- light flavoring, needs to steep, and stays good longer, maybe.

Over at ECF's TFA thread, I heard mention of using citric acid to make the "steeping process" stop, to maintain a flavor at a given stage. Have you ever tried that?

Andria

 

[RugBurnRed]

I vape about 5ml daily, too

Andria

Good God I must be an odd ball here. I vape 5ml on my way to work. I can drain my Serpent SMM in a 45 minute commute. I also don't vape much at work though either. Lunch break is about all I do at work. I guess my addictive personality shines like a bright light

 

[fozzy71]

I've always liked old juice. To me, it gets sweeter and smoother. I won't even touch a mix until it's at least two weeks old, ....

Ditto, except I won't touch a juice until it is at least 2 months old, usually more like 3 - 5 months. I live about a mile from the IVC world HQ (Nillionaire, GOAT, etc) and while I don't buy juice from them their customers seem to clamor for their 'Reserve' super steeped line of juices.

 

[Lannie]

I mix mine in 4-oz bottles because that's what I have. A couple of them I think need bigger bottles, though. I have six tanks at any given time with different flavors because I like the variety, even though there are a couple that I vape most of the time. I still like to take a break from those once in a while.

Signed, a fucking honeybee

 

[gopher_byrd]

For the recipes that I keep going back to, I will mix up a one shot. Then I just use the one shot as a single flavor with some premixed nic base and I'm done. I travel a lot so the biggest bottles I make are 50 ml. I don't like having to syphon out of a bigger bottle to a smaller bottle. If they need to "steep" then I will have 2 or 3 50 ml bottles going. One in current use and the others in various stages of steeping.

 

[Time]

Over at ECF's TFA thread, I heard mention of using citric acid to make the "steeping process" stop, to maintain a flavor at a given stage. Have you ever tried that?

Andria

Nope. I've never wanted to stop the steeping process. The oldest juice I've vaped was two years old and it was delicious.

 

[AndriaD]

Good God I must be an odd ball here. I vape 5ml on my way to work. I can drain my Serpent SMM in a 45 minute commute. I also don't vape much at work though either. Lunch break is about all I do at work. I guess my addictive personality shines like a bright light

No, I'd say that's about the norm nowadays with all the cloud-chasing gear being sold these days. Those of us who started -- and succeeded in quitting smoking -- when 15w was THE LIMIT, tend to maintain our conservative styles. Those who maybe started then but weren't successful in making the switch obviously needed more of something than the conservative vapes provide. (conservative NOW... that used to be ALL THERE WAS.)

I vape at 9.5w, so even with vaping all damn day, sometimes chain-vaping, it just doesn't waste ejuice (blowing it out in huge clouds is a huge waste). That suits both my asthmatic lungs and my skinflint nature. I never really noticed or cared about how much smoke I exhaled when I smoked, and it's equally irrelevant now that I vape. I care about how it feels and tastes going IN, not the quantity coming out. To me, that seems a lot like picking a beer based on how much it makes you pee.

Andria

 

[RugBurnRed]

No, I'd say that's about the norm nowadays with all the cloud-chasing gear being sold these days. Those of us who started -- and succeeded in quitting smoking -- when 15w was THE LIMIT, tend to maintain our conservative styles. Those who maybe started then but weren't successful in making the switch obviously needed more of something than the conservative vapes provide. (conservative NOW... that used to be ALL THERE WAS.)

I vape at 9.5w, so even with vaping all damn day, sometimes chain-vaping, it just doesn't waste ejuice (blowing it out in huge clouds is a huge waste). That suits both my asthmatic lungs and my skinflint nature. I never really noticed or cared about how much smoke I exhaled when I smoked, and it's equally irrelevant now that I vape. I care about how it feels and tastes going IN, not the quantity coming out. To me, that seems a lot like picking a beer based on how much it makes you pee.

Andria

I am not a cloud chaser, but I do vape subohm. I typically vape at 30-35w. I just don't care for the flavor if I go much higher in power than this. I probably am doing something wrong, as I see a lot of folks vaping at 90W or more.

 

[AndriaD]

I am not a cloud chaser, but I do vape subohm. I typically vape at 30-35w. I just don't care for the flavor if I go much higher in power than this. I probably am doing something wrong, as I see a lot of folks vaping at 90W or more.

No, it's just your preference -- but 30-35 watts IS cloud chasing, in a rather moderate way. I bet you also use high-VG? So your clouds are FAR bigger and thicker than mine at 9.5w and 86% PG -- it can't be helped, with high wattage and high VG. My son vapes a couple that are high Vg -- 40/60 or 30/70, and even though he stays a bit below 20w, his clouds are far more significant than mine. Thankfully, he likes the MtL style as I do, so he keeps the wattage down and the airflow fairly tight -- looser than I like, but tight enough for MtL -- so even with the 60% or 70% VG, the clouds aren't obnoxious to the rest of us in the house.

Andria

 

[RugBurnRed]

No, it's just your preference -- but 30-35 watts IS cloud chasing, in a rather moderate way. I bet you also use high-VG? So your clouds are FAR bigger and thicker than mine at 9.5w and 86% PG -- it can't be helped, with high wattage and high VG. My son vapes a couple that are high Vg -- 40/60 or 30/70, and even though he stays a bit below 20w, his clouds are far more significant than mine. Thankfully, he likes the MtL style as I do, so he keeps the wattage down and the airflow fairly tight -- looser than I like, but tight enough for MtL -- so even with the 60% or 70% VG, the clouds aren't obnoxious to the rest of us in the house.

Andria

OK so I am a cloud spreader I like the higher VG not for the clouds, it just makes my throat far less susceptible to irritation. PG makes my throat raw if I use it above 40% and vape normal. It took me a few weeks to figure it out. Actually I didn't figure it out on my own. The vape shop where I bought my first setup mentioned that might be the issue so I stopped using the high PG blend that I liked (it was like 60/40 PG/VG). Within a day I noticed my throat was not scratching and sore the next morning after vaping all day with the higher VG juice. Never had anymore issues since I made sure to not get the ratios inverted. I guess many people don't see any difference either way.

 

[AndriaD]

OK so I am a cloud spreader I like the higher VG not for the clouds, it just makes my throat far less susceptible to irritation. PG makes my throat raw if I use it above 40% and vape normal. It took me a few weeks to figure it out. Actually I didn't figure it out on my own. The vape shop where I bought my first setup mentioned that might be the issue so I stopped using the high PG blend that I liked (it was like 60/40 PG/VG). Within a day I noticed my throat was not scratching and sore the next morning after vaping all day with the higher VG juice. Never had anymore issues since I made sure to not get the ratios inverted. I guess many people don't see any difference either way.

My son is one that seems to be able to vape at pretty much any ratio of PG/VG, though the max PG he can tolerate is about 75%. Actually I do kinda envy those who can tolerate VG, because you're right, PG can definitely be irritating -- though my own "threshold" is FAR higher than the vast majority, if I vape 90% PG, I get that sore throat and raw sinuses after about a week's use. It's extremely painful for the inside of the sinuses to get burned like that, it feels like the first day of a really wicked cold.

But, my lungs just don't like the thick coating that VG causes; I don't think it's entirely my asthma that causes the problem, because I've heard from some asthmatic vapers who have no issues with high VG, but lots of issues with high PG -- I guess it's just my own particular quirk. Lately I've been noticing that the Flash I use for good TH has been irritating my nasal membranes a lot, so I've started scaling it back rather drastically; I even made some ejuice at 86% PG rather than the 86.5% that I prefer in the summer (when the humidity is high), but I got a lot of the "need to cough up a hairball and CAN'T" sensation, so I had to mix my regular 86.5% PG and just scale back the Flash yet again. I'm thinking that I may not need the Flash much longer.

Andria

 

[RugBurnRed]

My son is one that seems to be able to vape at pretty much any ratio of PG/VG, though the max PG he can tolerate is about 75%. Actually I do kinda envy those who can tolerate VG, because you're right, PG can definitely be irritating -- though my own "threshold" is FAR higher than the vast majority, if I vape 90% PG, I get that sore throat and raw sinuses after about a week's use. It's extremely painful for the inside of the sinuses to get burned like that, it feels like the first day of a really wicked cold.

But, my lungs just don't like the thick coating that VG causes; I don't think it's entirely my asthma that causes the problem, because I've heard from some asthmatic vapers who have no issues with high VG, but lots of issues with high PG -- I guess it's just my own particular quirk. Lately I've been noticing that the Flash I use for good TH has been irritating my nasal membranes a lot, so I've started scaling it back rather drastically; I even made some ejuice at 86% PG rather than the 86.5% that I prefer in the summer (when the humidity is high), but I got a lot of the "need to cough up a hairball and CAN'T" sensation, so I had to mix my regular 86.5% PG and just scale back the Flash yet again. I'm thinking that I may not need the Flash much longer.

Andria

I get a little of the flim issue from the higher VG, but it has not been too bad. I had a similar issue when I smoked.

 

[AndriaD]

I get a little of the flim issue from the higher VG, but it has not been too bad. I had a similar issue when I smoked.

I never did, when I smoked -- there was lots of phlegm, but that actually made it easier to cough up, there was actually something THERE. With VG, it's like I can feel the heavy coating on my airways... but nothing I do will dislodge or get rid of it.

Andria

 

[VapeNMirrors]

30-35 watts IS cloud chasing, in a rather moderate way.

I think you have a distorted perception of cloud chasing, in a moderate way. Just because one doesn't MTL or vape high PG doesn't mean they are chasing clouds. Many folks have some intolerance to PG. I'm among them.

More VG raises the boiling point and requires more power to vape. It basically takes ~30W to direct inhale on most anything. Tell a "true" cloud chaser you're chasing with 30W and they'll have quite the chuckle. Most of us are just chasing satisfaction.

 

[AndriaD]

I think you have a distorted perception of cloud chasing, in a moderate way. Just because one doesn't MTL or vape high PG doesn't mean they are chasing clouds. Many folks have some intolerance to PG. I'm among them.

More VG raises the boiling point and requires more power to vape. It basically takes ~30W to direct inhale on most anything. Tell a "true" cloud chaser you're chasing with 30W and they'll have quite the chuckle. Most of us are just chasing satisfaction.

To me, anything over 20w is cloud chasing, though as I said, in a very moderate way. I've never felt the need or desire to go over 10w, nevermind any higher than that.

Andria