congress removes Cole-Bishop Ammendment from Omnibus Spending Bill

[The Cromwell]

Congress’s trillion-dollar, two-year budget proposal was signed into law without including a crucial provision that may have saved millions lives. The Cole- Bishop Amendment was initially included in the 2,232-page document, but the provision was seemingly removed before Trump signed the bill into law.

The current regulations state than any vaping product released for sale into the public market after February 15, 2007, must undergo an extensive Pre-Market Tobacco Application (PMTA) process. Gaining approval will involve enormous amounts of bureaucratic red tape, take months if not years to obtain, and could cost retailers in upwards of $1 million per product. The Cole-Bishop Amendment would have moved this predicate date forward to August 8, 2016.

https://www.vapes.com/blogs/news/ti...e-pass-to-change-vaping-rules-predicate-date#

 

[UncleRJ]

Assholes!

 

[The Cromwell]

Yep very disappointing.

Apparently both parties are satisfied with the Deeming regs as is.

 

[r055co]

Yep very disappointing.

Apparently both parties are satisfied with the Deeming regs as is.

It's all lip service, just insure you have a stockpile. Too much money, power and influence to even think Vapers won't get fucked.

 

[The Cromwell]

It's all lip service, just insure you have a stockpile. Too much money, power and influence to even think Vapers won't get fucked.

No problem for me personally since I have been building up a long term inventory for the last 3 years.
I should be good now till I die except for PG/VG flavorings, batteries and cotton.
Should be no problem to get those.
have 30 years worth of nic in the deep freeze.

 

[r055co]

No problem for me personally since I have been building up a long term inventory for the last 3 years.
I should be good now till I die except for PG/VG flavorings, batteries and cotton.
Should be no problem to get those.
have 30 years worth of nic in the deep freeze.

Yep same here, I have 4 liters which will last beyond my lifetime. The FDA is what pushed me into rebuilding and Mech's, I'm very well stocked with that gear. Hell way more than I'll ever need but excuse I made was it was for close friends and family. I did stock up on wire also, just in case good quality wire in the gauges I use become difficult to find. Maybe they won't but I just didn't want to take that chance.

Anyway battery's, cotton, flavors, PG, VG they have too many other uses beyond vaping so I'm not worried there. It just sucks that yes I know how to mix my own juice but I'm going to really miss my favorite flavors. I know there are recipes online but my favorites that are complex I don't see being able to duplicate.

Anyway, fuck`m. Vaping will go underground and the puppets of Big Pharma can just kiss our asses.

 

[The Cromwell]

Wire and some flavorings will be an issue as they are marketed for vaping.
But otherwise yep the maintenance items should be good for non factory coil vapers.
I have enough regulated mods to keep me oging for 15-20 years.
Also have several mechs, squonkers, etc and attys and spare parts.

the sad part will be the impact on those that will not have the opportunity to use vaping to quit smoking.

 

[r055co]

Wire and some flavorings will be an issue as they are marketed for vaping.
But otherwise yep the maintenance items should be good for non factory coil vapers.
I have enough regulated mods to keep me oging for 15-20 years.
Also have several mechs, squonkers, etc and attys and spare parts.

I love my fused claptons so I literally have 10's of thousands of feet of quality Sandvik wire, mostly the high gauge wire like 36g-44g for wrapping wire. I really got paranoid about not being able to get quality wire.

I have shit loads of Mech's, RDA's and RTA's and a few regulated. I may get a couple more regulated to keep around in case a good friend or family needs one but everything else I'm well set.

 

[The Cromwell]

Parallel roundwire is as fancy as I get.

 

[The Cromwell]

Come to think of it a parallel roundwire build is kind of an unfused unclaptonized clapton?

 

[r055co]

Come to think of it a parallel roundwire build is kind of an unfused unclaptonized clapton?

Yep, I just like the tiny smaller than a hair wrapping wire. For me that's the sweetspot, I've done Aliens, Stapled, etc. and while all good I just go back to my trusty fused claptons.

 

[Ralph_K]

They also added in a raise. Government should get paid what it earns nor what it can steal

 

[JuicyLucy]

Yep very disappointing.

Apparently both parties are satisfied with the Deeming regs as is.

 

[pulsevape]

but, I'm sure they'll find another war for people to die in.

 

[Carambrda]

So... what are your thoughts on Bill Godshall's writings in the comments section below this article:
http://vaping360.com/cole-bishop-amendment-2018
?

 

[The Cromwell]

So... what are your thoughts on Bill Godshall's writings in the comments section below this article:
http://vaping360.com/cole-bishop-amendment-2018
?

That he is full of it.
This from his article"The most important part of the amendment is that it changes to predicate date in the FDA Deeming Rule from Feb.15, 2007 to Aug. 8, 2016. That means that if the Cole-Bishop Amendment passes, all vaping products that are already on the market can continue to be sold without being forced into the FDA’s brutally expensive and difficult premarket tobacco application (PMTA) process."

It only exempts those devices on the market prior to 8-8-2016. All devices introduced after that STILL fall under the PMTA process.
And most of the devices on the market prior to 8-8-2016 are no longer even for sale.

Cole-Bishop is like being able to walk with crutches instead of being wheel chair bound.

a slight improvement.

However it also throws mod/battery regulation into the mix as a new issue.

imho Cole-Bishop sucks balls but has really been the only tiny possible improvement on the radar so far.

 

[Carambrda]

That he is full of it.
This from his article"The most important part of the amendment is that it changes to predicate date in the FDA Deeming Rule from Feb.15, 2007 to Aug. 8, 2016. That means that if the Cole-Bishop Amendment passes, all vaping products that are already on the market can continue to be sold without being forced into the FDA’s brutally expensive and difficult premarket tobacco application (PMTA) process."

It only exempts those devices on the market prior to 8-8-2016. All devices introduced after that STILL fall under the PMTA process.
And most of the devices on the market prior to 8-8-2016 are no longer even for sale.

Cole-Bishop is like being able to walk with crutches instead of being wheel chair bound.

a slight improvement.

However it also throws mod/battery regulation into the mix as a new issue.

imho Cole-Bishop sucks balls but has really been the only tiny possible improvement on the radar so far.

I was referring to the comments that have been written below the article [that I linked in my reply], not the article itself. I.e., according to Bill Godshall's explanation of what the Cole-Bishop Amendment was truly about, we should in fact be happy that it was not included in the 2018 Spending Bill, whereas everyone here who replied to this thread appears to be not happy about that at all unless I'm missing something here.

 

[zephyr]

So... what are your thoughts on Bill Godshall's writings in the comments section below this article:
http://vaping360.com/cole-bishop-amendment-2018
?

Good reading, thank you.

Here's his older ECF post with more detail: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/

EDIT: THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!! This letislation was Bad, I'm glad it failed. It would have only changed grandfathering 15 year old vape products to 6 year old vape products, as well as require the FDA to make a final call on vaping in 2021, vape gear, flavorings, even batteries. We don't want that. As it stands the FDA may come up with something not as terrible as we may think, or it may even put off it's deeming, AGAIN

If this bill had passed, the FDA would have been required to put a final deeming down even earlier (2021) and then it would be over. Bad over.

 

[r055co]

It only exempts those devices on the market prior to 8-8-2016. All devices introduced after that STILL fall under the PMTA process.
And most of the devices on the market prior to 8-8-2016 are no longer even for sale..

Aug 8th 2016 was the deadline for juice, the only thing exempt for hardware is prior to 2007

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[The Cromwell]

I was referring to the comments that have been written below the article [that I linked in my reply], not the article itself. I.e., according to Bill Godshall's explanation of what the Cole-Bishop Amendment was truly about, we should in fact be happy that it was not included in the 2018 Spending Bill, whereas everyone here who replied to this thread appears to be not happy about that at all unless I'm missing something here.

Ahh I understand on the comments now.
Most people listen to Reviewers saying to support the Cole-Bishop amendment and do no real research into what it really is.
And this guy writing the article apparently does not know what it really is either.

 

[The Cromwell]

Aug 8th 2016 was the deadline for juice, the only thing exempt for hardware is prior to 2007

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Ohh? Thanks that is the first I had heard of that. Explains why reviewers in the juice business want it supported.

 

[The Cromwell]

Good reading, thank you.

Here's his older ECF post with more detail: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/

EDIT: THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!! This letislation was Bad, I'm glad it failed. It would have only changed grandfathering 15 year old vape products to 6 year old vape products, as well as require the FDA to make a final call on vaping in 2021, vape gear, flavorings, even batteries. We don't want that. As it stands the FDA may come up with something not as terrible as we may think, or it may even put off it's deeming, AGAIN

If this bill had passed, the FDA would have been required to put a final deeming down even earlier (2021) and then it would be over. Bad over.

That is a good bit of info there.

 

[The Cromwell]

Good reading, thank you.

Here's his older ECF post with more detail: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/

EDIT: THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!! This letislation was Bad, I'm glad it failed. It would have only changed grandfathering 15 year old vape products to 6 year old vape products, as well as require the FDA to make a final call on vaping in 2021, vape gear, flavorings, even batteries. We don't want that. As it stands the FDA may come up with something not as terrible as we may think, or it may even put off it's deeming, AGAIN

If this bill had passed, the FDA would have been required to put a final deeming down even earlier (2021) and then it would be over. Bad over.

Yep good link there. Thanks.

this part caught my eye.
"While vapor policies are at a critical juncture, FDA’s Scott Gottlieb has allowed the 3 million vapor products already registered with FDA to be remain on the market until August 8, 2022. "

The already registered part...
What exactly does that mean?

Does that mean no new products may be registered after the registration Due/cutoff date?

EDIT: Damn that was ECF! MY EYES!
LMAO

 

[r055co]

Ohh? Thanks that is the first I had heard of that. Explains why reviewers in the juice business want it supported.

Yeah basically when the regulations are enforced pretty much anything beyond something like a Blu cigalike isn't legal.

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[Carambrda]

Ahh I understand on the comments now.
Most people listen to Reviewers saying to support the Cole-Bishop amendment and do no real research into what it really is.
And this guy writing the article apparently does not know what it really is either.

And funded by BT, no less. So it turns out I have been right all along... it wasn't just BP after all, but trojan horse tactics from BT as well!

 

[zephyr]

Yep good link there. Thanks.

this part caught my eye.
"While vapor policies are at a critical juncture, FDA’s Scott Gottlieb has allowed the 3 million vapor products already registered with FDA to be remain on the market until August 8, 2022. "

The already registered part...
What exactly does that mean?

Does that mean no new products may be registered after the registration Due/cutoff date?

EDIT: Damn that was ECF! MY EYES!
LMAO

Quote from
https://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/AboutCTP/ucm378205.htm#13


What is the "registration and product listing" process and timeframe to comply?

Owners and operators of domestic manufacturing establishments engaged in the manufacturing of tobacco products are required to register with FDA and submit product listings.

Every person who owns or operates any establishment in the U.S. engaged in the manufacture, preparation, compounding, or processing of a newly regulated tobacco product must register with the FDA certain information. This information includes:

• Name;
• Place(s) of business; and
• All establishments engaged in these activities owned or operated by that person.

Registration information must be submitted annually on or before December 31st of each year. For domestic manufacturers engaged in the manufacture of newly regulated tobacco products prior to August 8, 2016, submit establishment registrations and product listings by October 12, 2017.

FDA does not intend to enforce the requirement that product listings for newly deemed products registered and listed by the Oct. 12, 2017 deadline must resubmit in December 2017. Instead, manufacturers of these newly deemed products must update product listings by June 30, 2018 and complete annual registration by Dec. 31, 2018.

Note: Anyone who began manufacturing newly regulated tobacco products on or after August 8 must register and list immediately upon beginning manufacturing operations. Additionally, every owner or operator upon first engaging in the manufacturing of a tobacco product in any domestic establishment must immediately register, and registered owners and operators must immediately register any new establishment that begins manufacturing tobacco products.

All registrants must also submit a list of all tobacco products manufactured for commercial distribution, along with certain accompanying information (including all labeling). Complete product list information must be submitted at the time of first registration; certain changes in the product list must then be submitted biannually.

 

[The Cromwell]

Quote from
https://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/AboutCTP/ucm378205.htm#13


What is the "registration and product listing" process and timeframe to comply?

Owners and operators of domestic manufacturing establishments engaged in the manufacturing of tobacco products are required to register with FDA and submit product listings.

Every person who owns or operates any establishment in the U.S. engaged in the manufacture, preparation, compounding, or processing of a newly regulated tobacco product must register with the FDA certain information. This information includes:

• Name;
• Place(s) of business; and
• All establishments engaged in these activities owned or operated by that person.

Registration information must be submitted annually on or before December 31st of each year. For domestic manufacturers engaged in the manufacture of newly regulated tobacco products prior to August 8, 2016, submit establishment registrations and product listings by October 12, 2017.

FDA does not intend to enforce the requirement that product listings for newly deemed products registered and listed by the Oct. 12, 2017 deadline must resubmit in December 2017. Instead, manufacturers of these newly deemed products must update product listings by June 30, 2018 and complete annual registration by Dec. 31, 2018.

Note: Anyone who began manufacturing newly regulated tobacco products on or after August 8 must register and list immediately upon beginning manufacturing operations. Additionally, every owner or operator upon first engaging in the manufacturing of a tobacco product in any domestic establishment must immediately register, and registered owners and operators must immediately register any new establishment that begins manufacturing tobacco products.

All registrants must also submit a list of all tobacco products manufactured for commercial distribution, along with certain accompanying information (including all labeling). Complete product list information must be submitted at the time of first registration; certain changes in the product list must then be submitted biannually.

Thanks!
A bunch.
So it is an ongoing thing.but I am assuming that any unregistered device will be considered not legal?
After December 31, 2018...

 

[zephyr]

Anyone who began manufacturing newly regulated tobacco products on or after August 8 must register and list immediately upon beginning manufacturing operations.

I would suppose so, but it also seems registering is not expensive nor time-delayed

Apparently you can even do it online
https://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/ucm386651.htm

https://www.fda.gov/downloads/ForIndustry/FDAeSubmitter/UCM599355.pdf

 

[The Cromwell]

I would suppose so, but it also seems registering is not expensive nor time-delayed

Apparently you can even do it online
https://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/ucm386651.htm

https://www.fda.gov/downloads/ForIndustry/FDAeSubmitter/UCM599355.pdf

True, but I wonder if China Manufacturers do it?
Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[zephyr]

The big problems for small businesses comes

True, but I wonder if China Manufacturers do it?
Inquiring minds want to know...

I need a break from all the researching, since I'm mixing it with studying computer programming *rubs eyes* I did not read anything so far about importing things like eliquids, devices etc from China directly to the consumer

 

[The Cromwell]

The big problems for small businesses comes


I need a break from all the researching, since I'm mixing it with studying computer programming *rubs eyes* I did not read anything so far about importing things like eliquids, devices etc from China directly to the consumer

I have read that importing from China falls under the regs control. Never saw any statements differentiating between individual imports or for resale.
But it is a BIG mess of legalese writing.

 

[Carambrda]

I have read that importing from chin falls under the regs control. Never saw any statements differentiating between individual imports or for resale.
But it is a BIG mess of legalese writing.

 

[skt239]

Congress’s trillion-dollar, two-year budget proposal was signed into law without including a crucial provision that may have saved millions lives. The Cole- Bishop Amendment was initially included in the 2,232-page document, but the provision was seemingly removed before Trump signed the bill into law.

The current regulations state than any vaping product released for sale into the public market after February 15, 2007, must undergo an extensive Pre-Market Tobacco Application (PMTA) process. Gaining approval will involve enormous amounts of bureaucratic red tape, take months if not years to obtain, and could cost retailers in upwards of $1 million per product. The Cole-Bishop Amendment would have moved this predicate date forward to August 8, 2016.

https://www.vapes.com/blogs/news/ti...e-pass-to-change-vaping-rules-predicate-date#

Trump is beholden to big everything and all industrial complexes, just like any other president. This is not a surprise.

Being honest, In the beginning I thought trump would help vaping more than hurt it. I guess I was wrong...

 

[The Cromwell]

Trump is beholden to big everything and all industrial complexes, just like any other president. This is not a surprise.

Being honest, In the beginning I thought trump would help vaping more than hurt it. I guess I was wrong...

Trump prolly thinks vaping is low class like having a pet rabbit.

 

[zephyr]

Trump is beholden to big everything and all industrial complexes, just like any other president. This is not a surprise.

Being honest, In the beginning I thought trump would help vaping more than hurt it. I guess I was wrong...

Read this!

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/
Or at least skim it

 

[skt239]

Read this!
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/

Or at least skim it

I got an error on the page.

 

[The Cromwell]

Read this!
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/

Or at least skim it

Got page could not be found.

 

[zephyr]

I got an error on the page.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/

Copying from an earlier post does not work, now I know

Got page could not be found.

I think you read it already

 

[The Cromwell]

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...-bishops-impact-on-the-vapor-industry.846115/

Copying from an earlier post does not work, now I know


I think you read it already

yes that seemed to be a really good article.