US import tariff's on vaping equipment

[The Cromwell]

Tariffs on Vaping devices....

'Imports of Chinese-made vaping devices to the tune of $300 million a year will be hit'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...m-thermostats-to-vaping-devices-idUSKBN1JL30W

 

[shawn.hoefer]

Hate to say I told you so, but...

Tariffs on Vaping devices....

'Imports of Chinese-made vaping devices to the tune of $300 million a year will be hit'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...m-thermostats-to-vaping-devices-idUSKBN1JL30W

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[The Cromwell]

Hate to say I told you so, but...

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Yep figured the same thing. Safe politically to hit on vaping since we are such a minority.

 

[The Cromwell]

And as I read it the Tariffs on Vaping stuff hits next month.
Might have read it wrong though...

Sounds like the tax/tariff starts out at 1% and is destined to go up to 25%.
Sometime after election day....

 

[pulsevape]

And as I read it the Tariffs on Vaping stuff hits next month.
Might have read it wrong though...

Sounds like the tax/tariff starts out at 1% and is destined to go up to 25%.
Sometime after election day....

wow...how unfair to the cloners...karma's a bitch

 

[shawn.hoefer]

wow...how unfair to the cloners...karma's a bitch

Considering the fact that a lot of gear is designed in the US but manufactured in China it's going to hit the authentic manufacturers as well. In fact, I think it'll hit them harder. Cloners have no compunction about fudging the law a little bit...

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[Time]

but manufactured in China

It's that whole "manufactured in China" that's the problem. And thus the tariffs.

 

[The Cromwell]

Cloners and property rights gets a bit fuzzy when you consider that Ecigs were invented in China...

Upon a bit more research the wording of the tariff about ecigs may just at least initially put a tariff only on complete kits.
Internal battery AIO, Pod kits, Cigalikes and such.
Lobbying by the company that makes the expensive little pod systems that the children like so well?


However there is also wording in there about LI batteries falling under tariff.

And as far as fudging the law.
NO vape products not on the US market prior to 8-8-2016 are technically allowed to be sold in the USA. Anything introduced after that date has to have a PMTA approval before it can be sold.
This part was not delayed except for the implementation of the enforcement.
The PMTA filing/approval deadline for products on the market prior to 8-8-2016 was delayed.

I have noticed that the smarter juice makers and such have been aggressively pursuing offshore markets for their products.

 

[Ralph_K]

Good thing democrats are importing all this cheap labor

 

[pulsevape]

Good thing democrats are importing all this cheap labor

well the cheap labor is the icing on the cake...what they are really importing is votes, the only way they can win an election is if it's ...Hecho in Mexico....Americans need not apply.

 

[pulsevape]

Considering the fact that a lot of gear is designed in the US but manufactured in China it's going to hit the authentic manufacturers as well. In fact, I think it'll hit them harder. Cloners have no compunction about fudging the law a little bit...

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I dont' know if that will be the case.I think it much more likely it would encourage mod production here..of course we won't see as many vape reviewers "designing" their own mods,but not a big loss..

 

[The Cromwell]

I knew someone would bring up political partys.

Sheesh.

 

[pulsevape]

I knew someone would bring up political partys.

Sheesh.

well yeah they seem to have a big impact on our day to day lives,in all arenas of our lives..... if you haven't noticed....um they are the guys writing trade laws.....my butcher was to busy to do it.

 

[The Cromwell]

I posted this over in the Government Watch thread for political mudslinging and rhetoric.

 

[pulsevape]

I posted this over in the Government Watch thread for political mudslinging and rhetoric.

so.........are you saying we can't eat at your resturant Bobbie....

 

[shawn.hoefer]

I dont' know if that will be the case.I think it much more likely it would encourage mod production here..of course we won't see as many vape reviewers "designing" their own mods,but not a big loss..

Either way, expect the price to rise.

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[Time]

Either way, expect the price to rise.

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A little short term pain for long term gain.

It'll work out in the end. No worries.

 

[St.Roostifer]

No doubt this absolutely sucks but hopefully it will inspire the creation of more American made vape products which will help the creation of more jobs.

 

[pulsevape]

No doubt this absolutely sucks but hopefully it will inspire the creation of more American made vape products which will help the creation of more jobs.

and hopefully a normalization of vaping in general in the US

 

[St.Roostifer]

and hopefully a normalization of vaping in general in the US

Yeah it's going to be difficult to normalize with the FDA witch hunt going on. Although they seem more concerned about pod systems, ejuice flavors and packaging. I think Americans looking to start a business to make mods, attys and subohm tanks will fine.

We've had it good here in the US compared to what other countries pay for gear. Had to assume that sooner than later US politicians would do something like this because they don't like so much US money going into the Chinese economy. China has been making some serious bank off the e-cig industry.

 

[The Cromwell]

I am glad that I do not have to worry about any of that though.
I have enough vaping hardware and nicotine to last the rest of my life.
Will always be able to get batteries, wire, cotton, PG, VG and food flavorings.

 

[PoppaVic]

Yeah it's going to be difficult to normalize with the FDA witch hunt going on. Although they seem more concerned about pod systems, ejuice flavors and packaging. I think Americans looking to start a business to make mods, attys and subohm tanks will fine.

We've had it good here in the US compared to what other countries pay for gear. Had to assume that sooner than later US politicians would do something like this because they don't like so much US money going into the Chinese economy. China has been making some serious bank off the e-cig industry.

Well, they'll be able to get the metals, maybe the tools, likely the machinsts - but the prices will be Harley-high ;-)

 

[AndriaD]

Yeah it's going to be difficult to normalize with the FDA witch hunt going on. Although they seem more concerned about pod systems, ejuice flavors and packaging. I think Americans looking to start a business to make mods, attys and subohm tanks will fine.

We've had it good here in the US compared to what other countries pay for gear. Had to assume that sooner than later US politicians would do something like this because they don't like so much US money going into the Chinese economy. China has been making some serious bank off the e-cig industry.

Not really pertinent to the discussion, but why do they always have to be sub-ohm anything? With enough wattage... The sub-ohm craze has outlived its usefulness, unless you're using a mech and that's the only way you can make CLOUDZ BRO CLOUDZ FER DAZE...

Andria

 

[The Cromwell]

Not really pertinent to the discussion, but why do they always have to be sub-ohm anything? With enough wattage... The sub-ohm craze has outlived its usefulness, unless you're using a mech and that's the only way you can make CLOUDZ BRO CLOUDZ FER DAZE...

Andria

Ohh I find that I like moderate little clouds around 16-30 watts.
And due to chamber sizes, etc a coil around .35-.65 works best for me.
Takes a 26 ga or so wire and maybe Supra Ohm coil would not fit in there and still give me the desired results.
.35 - .45 is also my fav range for mech sqounkers as well.

Tootle Puffing is fine but not for everyone.

 

[St.Roostifer]

Well, they'll be able to get the metals, maybe the tools, likely the machinsts - but the prices will be Harley-high ;-)

I see what ya did there.

 

[The Cromwell]

I do my builds so that I can use either on a mech or regulated.
I like it simple.

I can take either my Merlin or Subtank Mini that are my current in use tanks and stick them on a Pico Squeeze and vape em fine. Just no squonky.
On a regulated mod I vape the STM at 16-17 watts and the Merlin RTA at 25-26 watts.
I use the same wire in both.
Just a different coil configuration.
.4 in the STM and a .35-.4 parallel coil in the Merlin.

 

[St.Roostifer]

Not really pertinent to the discussion, but why do they always have to be sub-ohm anything? With enough wattage... The sub-ohm craze has outlived its usefulness, unless you're using a mech and that's the only way you can make CLOUDZ BRO CLOUDZ FER DAZE...

Andria

What does it matter how someone else chooses to vape their gear? Personally I could care less how someone else vapes their gear since its their choice to make.

 

[The Cromwell]

What does it matter how someone else chooses to vape their gear? Personally I could care less how someone else vapes their gear since its their choice to make.

Yep, it really does not bother me much if they choose to 'blow their face off' or burn a hole in their leg.
Their face, their choice.
I may try to educate them to prevent that from happening, but their choice.

 

[PoppaVic]

I fully agree.. Until the Righteous - those same assholes that hounded smokers and love taxes to broadcast their tiresome message - do the same hounding act on vaping; bringing the taxes, the indignation, the outrage and other nonsense.

I would happily let people goto hell in their own handbasket, but alas - somehow the fuckers drag everyone else into the pits.

Now.. If you could manage to... silence the local and state govs whining, and punt the FDA in the balls as well - all good ;-)

 

[Canadian Vaper]

Is this just China or Canada as well this time? I've often thought of making some mods.. I could import chips from China create mods and then export US..

 

[St.Roostifer]

Yep, it really does not bother me much if they choose to 'blow their face off' or burn a hole in their leg.
Their face, their choice.
I may try to educate them to prevent that from happening, but their choice.

Lol, you have a way with words Mr.Cromwell.

I vape single coils that barely fall into the subohm range. Usually my resistance sits between .8-1.0. For example I vape a .9 twisted Clapton coil 4mm ID in my single coil Zeus at 42W. That's where I've found the flavor to be best for that particular setup and it's a warm vape at most. My engine nanos sit at .8 with the same coil type but 3mm ID and vape at 32/33W. Still just a warm vape.

One of the things I enjoy most about rebuildables is the various way to tweak a setup to just the way the user likes it most.

 

[AndriaD]

What does it matter how someone else chooses to vape their gear? Personally I could care less how someone else vapes their gear since its their choice to make.

The thing is, vaping sub-ohm requires a great deal of airflow; attys that are optimized for big air don't do tight air well AT ALL. There needs to be BOTH kinds of attys, not just one kind.

Andria

 

[St.Roostifer]

The thing is, vaping sub-ohm requires a great deal of airflow; attys that are optimized for big air don't do tight air well AT ALL. There needs to be BOTH kinds of attys, not just one kind.

Andria

I never said there would be only one kind. I merely mentioned subohm tanks in my post because many people enjoy them due their ease of changing out the coil heads. Personally, I don't use subohm tanks but for a new US company looking to manufacture in the US it would be a good idea to manufacture subohm tanks along with everything else to reach a wider market.

 

[5150sick]

OK I just read OP and skipped to the end so i'm sorry if someone else mentioned it.

I have a feeling that Trump is doing a little bit of "Reality Show Acting" right now and the Chinese will be at the table working out a deal with Him before we even have to worry about it.

 

[5150sick]

Lol, You guys are funny.

It wasn't even 18 hours ago when @The Cromwell posted His OP about Tariffs on Vaping devices.

No one is even talking about that anymore

 

[St.Roostifer]

Lol, You guys are funny.

It wasn't even 18 hours ago when @The Cromwell posted His OP about Tariffs on Vaping devices.

No one is even talking about that anymore

Actually we still kind are talking about it but it's about what may happen because of the tariffs. If these tariffs raise the prices enough on Chinese made vape gear it could offset the cheap labor costs and inspire more companies to manufacture in the US. The tariffs could bridge the gap between the low cost labor in China and the high cost labor in the US.

 

[Time]

OK I just read OP and skipped to the end so i'm sorry if someone else mentioned it.

I have a feeling that Trump is doing a little bit of "Reality Show Acting" right now and the Chinese will be at the table working out a deal with Him before we even have to worry about it.

I think so. In a few months the dust will settle from the "trade war" and everyone will be happy.

 

[Ryedan]

The thing is, vaping sub-ohm requires a great deal of airflow; attys that are optimized for big air don't do tight air well AT ALL. There needs to be BOTH kinds of attys, not just one kind.

Andria

I vape around 15 watts with subohm, single coil setups and I've got a bunch of atties that do that very well. I use SS wire so I never get even close to an ohm, but my builds approach an ohm using Kanthal. If you want to vape at 5 watts there are atties out there that do that very well too with really low airflow.

These days, resistance is futile

 

[The Cromwell]

Lol, you have a way with words Mr.Cromwell.

I vape single coils that barely fall into the subohm range. Usually my resistance sits between .8-1.0. For example I vape a .9 twisted Clapton coil 4mm ID in my single coil Zeus at 42W. That's where I've found the flavor to be best for that particular setup and it's a warm vape at most. My engine nanos sit at .8 with the same coil type but 3mm ID and vape at 32/33W. Still just a warm vape.

One of the things I enjoy most about rebuildables is the various way to tweak a setup to just the way the user likes it most.

Yep some rebuildables are pretty meh at the first build.
But shine well once you figure out the best coil type, placement, wicking, etc.

 

[The Cromwell]

Actually we still kind are talking about it but it's about what may happen because of the tariffs. If these tariffs raise the prices enough on Chinese made vape gear it could offset the cheap labor costs and inspire more companies to manufacture in the US. The tariffs could bridge the gap between the low cost labor in China and the high cost labor in the US.

Yep and the cost of that bridge comes out of our pockets.
Tafiffs are just taxes and who pays all the taxes in the end? The consumer.
I am not whining about it though. 25% increase in cost will work. However I will not pay $100 plus for a basic cheap build regulated or mechanical mod.
Of course I am a bit of a tight assed bassid

 

[The Cromwell]

Is this just China or Canada as well this time? I've often thought of making some mods.. I could import chips from China create mods and then export US..

AFIK this is just China.

 

[SteveS45]

Some Key Words and points to comprehend................

Threatened:

In an escalating tit-fot-tat trade war, the United States has threatened to impose duties on up to $450 billion of Chinese imports, with the first $34 billion portion set to go into effect next month.

Some:

But some consumer items will be affected, a Reuters analysis showed. And should the Trump administration escalate tariffs to the full $450 billion as threatened, it would have to put tariffs on just about everything. The United States imported $506 billion in Chinese goods last year.

 

[AndriaD]

I vape around 15 watts with subohm, single coil setups and I've got a bunch of atties that do that very well. I use SS wire so I never get even close to an ohm, but my builds approach an ohm using Kanthal. If you want to vape at 5 watts there are atties out there that do that very well too with really low airflow.

These days, resistance is futile

I vape at less than 10 watts... but the only atomizer i've ever found that gives you really excellent saturated flavor and a REALLY tight draw is the Achilles. Other attys might offer what they THINK is tight draw... but it's really not. The only other atty with a good tight draw is an old-style KFL+, but the flavor is just absent, compared to the Achilles. If I had to go back to using my kayfuns, I'd have to go back up on flavoring percentage, from my current 24% to the original 31% and try to systematically reduce flavoring all over again.

My son vapes at 20w or less... but builds coils around .5 ohm... he uses an OBS Engine Nano, and he SAYS he's a MtL vaper, but i just can't see how, since that atty offers zero resistance in the draw, even when closed as much as possible.

The only up to date atty I've tried that says it's a MtL atty is the original Berserker. And yes, the draw is tight, but same as the Kayfun... no flavor... plus it leaks like a sieve. After that $30 wasted, I really don't feel like wasting anymore money, trying out new atomizers that claim to be the Second Coming.

Andria

 

[St.Roostifer]

Yep and the cost of that bridge comes out of our pockets.
Tafiffs are just taxes and who pays all the taxes in the end? The consumer.
I am not whining about it though. 25% increase in cost will work. However I will not pay $100 plus for a basic cheap build regulated or mechanical mod.
Of course I am a bit of a tight assed bassid

Same here. I don't mind spending a bit more for quality but there's only so far I will go. To be honest, the best overall atty I have is the wasp nano rdta. I fricken love that thing and only cost twenty bucks. It kicks my $50 goon right square in its ass!

I agree with tariffs being taxes. It sucks but if, in theory, it can spark new vape businesses in the US as well as put more Americans to work then I'm all for it. Problem is that we need big gubberment to ease the taxes on small businesses to inspire small business growth.

 

[Canadian Vaper]

I really don't feel like wasting anymore money, trying out new atomizers that claim to be the Second Coming.

Not MTL but I know this feeling, there's always new and improved atty's coming out but the RDA's I use right now are perfect for me, wide open just enough airflow to get a lung hit without losing a lot flavor, dial it down a bit and a great restricted lung hit full of dense flavorful vapor, nice deep well as well.. I went ahead and ordered 3 of them, extra screws/orings etc and thinking about a 4th currently....

 

[AndriaD]

Not MTL but I know this feeling, there's always new and improved atty's coming out but the RDA's I use right now are perfect for me, wide open just enough airflow to get a lung hit without losing a lot flavor, dial it down a bit and a great restricted lung hit full of dense flavorful vapor, nice deep well as well.. I went ahead and ordered 3 of them, extra screws/orings etc and thinking about a 4th currently....

If only I could buy more Achilles clones, I'd probably buy a half dozen.

Andria

 

[voicenyerhed]

Nope, not gonna do it.