Non-smoker interested in vaping

[Pizzashape23]

Hey everyone,

First post here so go easy.

I purchased a vape the other day, (Vapefly Optima) it had decent reviews and was on sale for $20 (I ended up spending more than that on flavouring and vg/pg) I had always been curious and done a little research so I thought why not (keep in mind I will be using 0 nic).

After buying it I did a whole lot more research and found it really difficult to sift through all the biased articles from either side, there were those that condemned it and others that proclaimed the benefits of vaping.

I've heard the if you havent started dont spiel and the we still don't know enough, I guess I'm asking about genuine health risks that people have experienced or that have been proven and things that are worth considering before picking it up.

Thanks.

(If I have broken any forum etiquette let me know)

 

[Smigo]

Hey everyone,

First post here so go easy.

I purchased a vape the other day, (Vapefly Optima) it had decent reviews and was on sale for $20 (I ended up spending more than that on flavouring and vg/pg) I had always been curious and done a little research so I thought why not (keep in mind I will be using 0 nic).

After buying it I did a whole lot more research and found it really difficult to sift through all the biased articles from either side, there were those that condemned it and others that proclaimed the benefits of vaping.

I've heard the if you havent started dont spiel and the we still don't know enough, I guess I'm asking about genuine health risks that people have experienced or that have been proven and things that are worth considering before picking it up.

Thanks.

(If I have broken any forum etiquette let me know)

You didn't say why as a non smoker you are interested in vaping.
So why do you want to vape?
Vaping is a smoking cessastion device.
So do tell...what do you think are and will be the benefits to you of vaping seeing as you heard of the proclamations of the benefits of vaping? To you...a non smoker!

 

[Pizzashape23]

You didn't say why as a non smoker you are interested in vaping.
So why do you want to vape?
Vaping is a smoking cessastion device.

I guess I should better clarify "non-smoker" I used it to mean never having used cigarettes but I do sometimes smoke some ****, and I have come to enjoy the action and 'inhaling' for lack of a better word (I hope that makes sense). I have always been curious, with a ton of people vaping around me but I guess it's also me wanting to fill that enjoyment without getting high or needing combustion.

I know this makes my hesitation sound stupid but that was never more than once a fortnight or once a month so I was never worried about the health implications, I thought vaping could be more regular.

 

[~Don~]

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[Vape Fan]

Welcome to VU.

Personally, I've been one to suggest if you're not looking to replace tobacco there's no reason to vape. Nothing better for health than just clean air or getting rid of tobacco dependency. That's about the most negative thing I could say about vaping - esp since we're talking 0 nic.

About all of the negative you can research is untrue unproven biased conjecture and few are conveyed as a stop smoking aid.
Positives are mostly all categorized as stop smoking aid.

If a non smoker wanted to start vaping because they knew they would enjoy the hobby of mods, atomizers, maybe building coils, etc and for the flavors - is one thing.

To replace the said smoking you do do, is another. I'd bet $10 against a donut that isn't really the reason. A teen starting to vape because tons of others around them do, is a worst reason to start.

 

[Lady Sarah]

I suppose you are going to practice blowing clouds until you think you are good enough to compete in a cloud competition. After all, what else is 0mg nic vape juice good for to someone who never smoked, besides trying to fit in due to peer pressure?

Am I wrong? If so, maybe you better rethink the whole idea of vaping in the first place.

 

[Pizzashape23]

Welcome to VU.

Personally, I've been one to suggest if you're not looking to replace tobacco there's no reason to vape. Nothing better for health than just clean air or getting rid of tobacco dependency. That's about the most negative thing I could say about vaping - esp since we're talking 0 nic.

About all of the negative you can research is untrue unproven biased conjecture and few are conveyed as a stop smoking aid.
Positives are mostly all categorized as stop smoking aid.

If a non smoker wanted to start vaping because they knew they would enjoy the hobby of mods, atomizers, maybe building coils, etc and for the flavors - is one thing.

To replace the said smoking you do do, is another. I'd bet $10 against a donut that isn't really the reason. A teen starting to vape because tons of others do, is a worst reason to start.

I completely understand where you are coming from, and it does make sense, but I'm not trying to replace my smoking, I like getting high with my friends but it has a time and a place. In regards to the because others do, it was more of a curiosity, they have offered multiple times and I have never used one of their vapes, for me it's not about the social aspects (I really hope I'm not one of those teens). Another reason for my interest would definitely be the DIY aspects, its one of the main reasons I was drawn to the optima, it has a rebuildable rta and an rdta option should I see fit. I just didn't mention it because I didnt think it contributed to my concerns or questions.

 

[Pizzashape23]

I suppose you are going to practice blowing clouds until you think you are good enough to compete in a cloud competition. After all, what else is 0mg nic vape juice good for to someone who never smoked, besides trying to fit in due to peer pressure?

Am I wrong? If so, maybe you better rethink the whole idea of vaping in the first place.

I get why you might think that but competitive vaping didn't even cross my mind. I just figured I didn't have an addiction and didn't really want to start. Like I said I enjoy the motions and the act of drawing I just wanted to avoid cigarettes and don't want to be high all the time.

(Also I'm in Australia and nicotine has been mostly banned except for smoker recovery.)

 

[Smigo]

I guess I should better clarify "non-smoker" I used it to mean never having used cigarettes but I do sometimes smoke some ****, and I have come to enjoy the action and 'inhaling' for lack of a better word (I hope that makes sense). I have always been curious, with a ton of people vaping around me but I guess it's also me wanting to fill that enjoyment without getting high or needing combustion.

I know this makes my hesitation sound stupid but that was never more than once a fortnight or once a month so I was never worried about the health implications, I thought vaping could be more regular.

Ok I get that a bit as I was the Aussie version of Cheech n Chongs cuz for decades as well as a smoker of cigs.
Are you saying you liked the experience of hitting bongs and stuff? I did too and is why I went for DTL vaping. I used to smoke cigs as much as I did green.
If you are trying to get off of smoking ****, which Is what im getting here now from your reply, then a DTL vape will help. Thats if you used bongs. If you used just joints, I hated those then a MTL vape is the go.
And like your OP I hope iv not broken any rules being as open and honest as I have been here.
So yeah I get the "inhaling" bit.
And take back the troll thing.
You gotta admit though its a funny gif!

 

[Pizzashape23]

No worries at all, it was a great gif.

Whenever me and my mates smoke it is kind of whatever we feel like doing, I have a bong and a massive raw rolling collection. But I'm not trying to stop smoking ****, I only ever do it with my friends anyway, which now is a rarity. I'm looking for something to do the rest of time which satisfies the tactile nature of it I guess. I crave the act of smoking every now and then and I don't necessarily want **** to be what fills it.

 

[Smigo]

No worries, at all it was a great gif.

Whenever me and my mates smoke it is kind of whatever we feel like doing, I have a bong and a massive raw rolling collection. But I'm not trying to stop smoking weed, I only ever do it with my friends anyway, which now is a rarity. I'm looking for something to do the rest of time which satisfies the tactile nature of it I guess. I crave the act of smoking every now and then and I don't necessarily want weed to be what fills it.

Get where your coming from. Direct to Lung, DTL, wide open draw or vape satisfied my liking of that sensation fully.
So yes it can be a cessastion device for that for sure. It was for my cig habit and that too. When I first tried I had 2 coils. 1 was a MTL, like a cig, but didn't quite satisfy. Then I tried the DTL one. Tried both in the shop I went to. When I tried that it was "thats it, thank you very much". Gave both up then and there. That deep inhale and seeing the cloud come out like what I was used to did it.
So hey, go for it. Smoking either, burning it, aint good for you.
Cheers.

 

[Pizzashape23]

Get where your coming from. Direct to Lung, DTL, wide open draw or vape satisfied my liking of that sensation fully.
So yes it can be a cessastion device for that for sure. It was for my cig habit and that too. When I first tried I had 2 coils. 1 was a MTL, like a cig, but didn't quite satisfy. Then I tried the DTL one. Tried both in the shop I went to. When I tried that it was "thats it, thank you very much". Gave both up then and there. That deep inhale and seeing the cloud come out like what I was used to did it.
So hey, go for it. Smoking either, burning it, aint good for you.
Cheers.

Thanks for the help, I may have been a little vague in my first post , my bad. I just wanted to make sure I had nothing to worry about.

 

[5150sick]

Personally I wouldn't vape just for the sake of vaping.
I know plenty of ex smokers who vape zero nic for years so there must be something to it. People with anxiety or other similar issues like to have something in their hands to fiddle with. I would imagine vaping could be beneficial in those types of instances.
I smoked for over 2 decades so I don't know what it's like to vape and never smoke.

You wouldn't be here asking questions and you wouldn't have bought the Vapefly Optima if you weren't going to vape so here it goes:

If you are an adult then go for it.
I think of it as no different from someone who never drank, just turned 21, and then asked me what I thought of them having a beer. Especially since there is no nicotine. that's almost like a 21 year old asking about a non alcoholic beer lol. It is best you not use nicotine if you can help it. It can certainly be habit forming when smoked.
You're not using nicotine so if you start not feeling good you can just stop vaping. There are people who have bad reactions to too much PG or VG then end up having to adjust the PG/VG ratio in the eliquid.

 

[nadalama]

There are members here who use zero nic, some that never smoked but love vaping, just about any situation you could construct, someone here has been there and done that. I don't really have an opinion about it one way or the other; as long as you're an adult you can make up your own mind.

I have been vaping for ten years as of this past June, and my doctor has told me more than once that my lungs sound like a non-smoker's. I have noticed no side effects other than the hit vaping has made on my bank account. I got pretty compulsive about buying stuff there for a while, when the market was still very open and the US government hadn't stuck their nose in where it had no business being.

The only caution I would give is to just pay attention. Some people are sensitive to PG or VG or the nickel in nichrome wire. I have heard of people having tenderness inside their mouths when they first start vaping because of sensitivity of one kind or another. Also learn about handling high-drain batteries and always be sure your battery has no deformation, no nicks in the wrap, things like that.

I wasn't familiar with the Vapefly Optima, but I just Googled it - looks like a nice device, kinda reminds me of the Voopoo Drag X, which I have and really enjoy.

Welcome to VU, and I hope you'll enjoy being here if you decide to become a regular.

 

[Pizzashape23]

There are members here who use zero nic, some that never smoked but love vaping, just about any situation you could construct, someone here has been there and done that. I don't really have an opinion about it one way or the other; as long as you're an adult you can make up your own mind.

I have been vaping for ten years as of this past June, and my doctor has told me more than once that my lungs sound like a non-smoker's. I have noticed no side effects other than the hit vaping has made on my bank account. I got pretty compulsive about buying stuff there for a while, when the market was still very open and the US government hadn't stuck their nose in where it had no business being.

The only caution I would give is to just pay attention. Some people are sensitive to PG or VG or the nickel in nichrome wire. I have heard of people having tenderness inside their mouths when they first start vaping because of sensitivity of one kind or another. Also learn about handling high-drain batteries and always be sure your battery has no deformation, no nicks in the wrap, things like that.
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I wasn't familiar with the Vapefly Optima, but I just Googled it - looks like a nice device, kinda reminds me of the Voopoo Drag X, which I have and really enjoy.

Welcome to VU, and I hope you'll enjoy being here if you decide to become a regular.

Thank you very much, this was exactly in line with what i was looking for. I really appreciate the advice about the sensitivities and the batteries. I already have a nitcore ums4 charger and I ordered a molicel p26 to go with the vape. I dont really trust my smasung salvages to last long at the high current draws.

 

[Pizzashape23]

Personally I wouldn't vape just for the sake of vaping.
I know plenty of ex smokers who vape zero nic for years so there must be something to it. People with anxiety or other similar issues like to have something in their hands to fiddle with. I would imagine vaping could be beneficial in those types of instances.
I smoked for over 2 decades so I don't know what it's like to vape and never smoke.

You wouldn't be here asking questions and you wouldn't have bought the Vapefly Optima if you weren't going to vape so here it goes:

If you are an adult then go for it.
I think of it as no different from someone who never drank, just turned 21, and then asked me what I thought of them having a beer. Especially since there is no nicotine. that's almost like a 21 year old asking about a non alcoholic beer lol. It is best you not use nicotine if you can help it. It can certainly be habit forming when smoked.
You're not using nicotine so if you start not feeling good you can just stop vaping. There are people who have bad reactions to too much PG or VG then end up having to adjust the PG/VG ratio in the eliquid.

Thanks for your input, everything you said makes a lot of sense. I will admit the vape was a bit of an impulse purchase because of how low the price was but if something had come up here I wouldn't have minded returning it or passing it on to a vaper friend.

 

[nadalama]

Thank you very much, this was exactly in line with what i was looking for. I really appreciate the advice about the sensitivities and the batteries. I already have a nitcore ums4 charger and I ordered a molicel p26 to go with the vape. I dont really trust my smasung salvages to last long at the high current draws.

Authentic Samsung 25R or 20S are fine as long as they are purchased from a reputable battery seller. The 20S is a fantastic battery, the 25R is better used for lower-wattage single-battery devices (say 80W or lower), and are ok for dual-battery devices that are not used at very, very high wattage. Those are the only two 18650 Samsung batteries I have experience with.

Liion Wholesale, 18650batterystore.com (my primary battery vendor), illumn.com, and there are a few others, are reliable places to buy batteries.

But it's also hard to beat the Molicell P26A or its 21700 counterpart, the P42A. As long as they're authentic and not Chinese rewraps. When buying any battery, if the price is too cheap, I wouldn't chance it. Oh, and one other thing - buying batteries from a brick & mortar vape store is no guarantee that they are authentic.

 

[Pizzashape23]

Authentic Samsung 25R or 20S are fine as long as they are purchased from a reputable battery seller. The 20S is a fantastic battery, the 25R is better used for lower-wattage single-battery devices (say 80W or lower), and are ok for dual-battery devices that are not used at very, very high wattage. Those are the only two 18650 Samsung batteries I have experience with.

Liion Wholesale, 18650batterystore.com (my primary battery vendor), illumn.com, and there are a few others, are reliable places to buy batteries.

But it's also hard to beat the Molicell P26A or its 21700 counterpart, the P42A. As long as they're authentic and not Chinese rewraps. When buying any battery, if the price is too cheap, I wouldn't chance it. Oh, and one other thing - buying batteries from a brick & mortar vape store is no guarantee that they are authentic.

I know genuine Samsung batteries would do fine but I pulled them from old laptop batteries and other devices to build rc battery packs and power supplies, etc. So I'm just being a little cautious about what I use them in and how big a load I put on them. I bought the molicell from wick and wire co here in Australia, I tried to get them cheaper from some of the sites you suggested but they either didn't ship to my address or the price was ridiculous. Thanks again for the help

 

[Bigrick]

Please buy new batts. You never kknow the origin of a recycled batt. It could be dangerous.

 

[Bigrick]

No it is absolutely dangerous.

 

[Pizzashape23]

Please buy new batts. You never kknow the origin of a recycled batt. It could be dangerous.

I recycled them myself so I'm not worried about the origin and my charger tells me that they are good, but I agree it's not worth the risk for something so close to my face. I already ordered a molicell p26 for the vape.

 

[Bigrick]

Very good. It not you but the individual that made the pack. You never know.

 

[Pizzashape23]

Very good. It not you but the individual that made the pack. You never know.

All the batteries are from consumer products that died before the batteries, laptop batteries, dyson batteries, etc. They should be good but yeah you never know

 

[5150sick]

All the batteries are from consumer products that died before the batteries, laptop batteries, dyson batteries, etc. They should be good but yeah you never know

Laptop batteries aren't high amp they are higher in Mah.
You need High Drain cells with at least 20 amp continuous. Those laptop batteries are probably about 2.5 amp to 5 amps each.
As @Bigrick said, absolutely dangerous.
In the mean time be very careful, check the cell(s) for heat frequently. Warm is OK, Hot is not OK. If the cell is hot immediately discontinue use.
Once the molicels come I would suggest disposing of the others or they do work well in flashlights if you have one that takes 18650's.

 

[Wb80]

Ummm DO NOT USE THOSE BATTERIES. I say this for your own safety. Since you aren't using nicotine that shouldn't be a problem. And unless you want an addiction for the rest of your life stay on the 0mg juice. Ive been a nic addict since i was 9 years old(41 now). Never been able to stop successfully so i just quit quitting.

 

[Pizzashape23]

Laptop batteries aren't high amp they are higher in Mah.
You need High Drain cells with at least 20 amp continuous. Those laptop batteries are probably about 2.5 amp to 5 amps each.
As @Bigrick said, absolutely dangerous.
In the mean time be very careful, check the cell(s) for heat frequently. Warm is OK, Hot is not OK. If the cell is hot immediately discontinue use.
Once the molicels come I would suggest disposing of the others or they do work well in flashlights if you have one that takes 18650's.

I'm sorry if I was unclear, but I never had any intention of using those batteries in the vape they are for my own diy projects. Neither the battery or vape have arrived yet so there is no cause for concern, the battery will arrive tomorrow and the vape the day after. Only the molicell will be used

 

[Grandpa]

If you don't have a nicotine addiction I wouldn't start vaping. Buy yourself a pack of gum instead. It's a lot cheaper and still somewhat socially acceptable. Just don't leave that shit stuck under the table at some restaurant I might decide to eat at. Or get yourself one of those fidget spinners or something.

I smoked for about 47 years and I vape to keep the hounds of hell at bay. I had quit smoking entirely for a year and started sneaking a few and I started vaping out of desperation to stay off cigarettes. I can't imagine starting to vape just for the hell of it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy vaping and I enjoy fiddling with my gear. But I also enjoyed smoking until my health forced me to quit.

Just... Don't... Do... It...

 

[Pizzashape23]

If you don't have a nicotine addiction I wouldn't start vaping. Buy yourself a pack of gum instead. It's a lot cheaper and still somewhat socially acceptable. Just don't leave that shit stuck under the table at some restaurant I might decide to eat at. Or get yourself one of those fidget spinners or something.

I smoked for about 47 years and I vape to keep the hounds of hell at bay. I had quit smoking entirely for a year and started sneaking a few and I started vaping out of desperation to stay off cigarettes. I can't imagine starting to vape just for the hell of it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy vaping and I enjoy fiddling with my gear. But I also enjoyed smoking until my health forced me to quit.

Just... Don't... Do... It...

I completely understand where you are coming from and appreciate you sharing, both my father and grandfather smoked heavily for large portions of their lives, thankfully both managed to quit without any aid or issues. (Or so my father thought at the time but that's not totally relevant) Because of this I have always been cautious and stayed far away from nicotine and cigarettes. My health was one of the main reasons for this post it was a sanity check, I had come to the conclusion that the relatively small unknown risks of vaping nic free, were outweighed by the hobby aspects and that it would help to curb some of the cravings I mentioned above. I just figured I would ask the more knowledgeable and experienced people in the community first.

 

[Carambrda]

There exists overwhelming evidence to support the claim that vaping is at least 20 times safer than smoking, which doesn't mean it's safe. Unfortunately, there also exists an age-old war on vaping, due to corrupt politics, research agencies, so-called "health" organizations, yellow jearnalism and the effects of the lobbyist culture that poses a genuine constant threat to our free society as a whole. Take nicotine as a prime example of how propaganda works as a mechanism. Nicotine is a substance that has been studied a lot. Yet, despite that, persistent incorrect beliefs about the harmfulness of nicotine remain par for the course.

As a matter of true fact, addictiveness of nicotine per se, or of nicotine in absence of burning tobacco has never been observed. Ever. What's so heavily confusing about it is that nicotine 1/ plays a central role in that which makes tobacco cigarette smoking very addictive while at the same time also it 2/ plays an equally central role in what makes NRTs (Nicotine Replacement Therapies) more effective at helping a smoker successfully stop smoking. You don't have to be a smart person to understand that, if it helps people stop, which it apparently does, then it can't be very addictive to these same people who are using it in this manner. So that's the root of the problem. The addictiveness of nicotine depends on the delivery system. Fact.

About the level of harm caused by recreational consumption of nicotine, to adults, I'd say it's on par with caffeine. To minors, vaping nicotine is still one heck of a lot safer compared to letting them continue to inhale smoke from combustible tobacco, and that is in spite of the fact that preventing them from starting to smoke combustible tobacco cigarettes in the first place is still the best possible option, albeit another part of how reality looks like is that it isn't ALWAYS possible to force that option. Parents who love their kids certainly won't win that option by partaking in a full fat witch hunt against nicotine that also includes vaping nicotine. Not unless their idea of "love" is to lock the kids up in a cage. Which some parents do.

To those who think they know nicotine. Some time ago the guy who made the famous documentary film "A Billion Lives" has made another one titled "You don't know nicotine" so, don't forget to watch it.

You Don't Know Nicotine | Documentary Film | Amidst radical changes in nicotine use globally, one filmmaker's journey through the confusion & fear leads to a startling discovery.

knownicotine.com

 

[Pizzashape23]

There exists overwhelming evidence to support the claim that vaping is at least 20 times safer than smoking, which doesn't mean it's safe. Unfortunately, there also exists an age-old war on vaping, due to corrupt politics, research agencies, so-called "health" organizations, yellow jearnalism and the effects of the lobbyist culture that poses a genuine constant threat to our free society as a whole. Take nicotine as a prime example of how propaganda works as a mechanism. Nicotine is a substance that has been studied a lot. Yet, despite that, persistent incorrect beliefs about the harmfulness of nicotine remain par for the course.

As a matter of true fact, addictiveness of nicotine per se, or of nicotine in absence of burning tobacco has never been observed. Ever. What's so heavily confusing about it is that nicotine 1/ plays a central role in that which makes tobacco cigarette smoking very addictive while at the same time also it 2/ plays an equally central role in what makes NRTs (Nicotine Replacement Therapies) more effective at helping a smoker successfully stop smoking. You don't have to be a smart person to understand that, if it helps people stop, which it apparently does, then it can't be very addictive to these same people who are using it in this manner. So that's the root of the problem. The addictiveness of nicotine depends on the delivery system. Fact.

About the level of harm caused by recreational consumption of nicotine, to adults, I'd say it's on par with caffeine. To minors, vaping nicotine is still one heck of a lot safer compared to letting them continue to inhale smoke from combustible tobacco, and that is in spite of the fact that preventing them from starting to smoke combustible tobacco cigarettes in the first place is still the best possible option, albeit another part of how reality looks like is that it isn't ALWAYS possible to force that option. Parents who love their kids certainly won't win that option by partaking in a full fat witch hunt against nicotine that also includes vaping nicotine. Not unless their idea of "love" is to lock the kids up in a cage. Which some parents do.

To those who think they know nicotine. Some time ago the guy who made the famous documentary film "A Billion Lives" has made another one titled "You don't know nicotine" so, don't forget to watch it.

You Don't Know Nicotine | Documentary Film | Amidst radical changes in nicotine use globally, one filmmaker's journey through the confusion & fear leads to a startling discovery.

knownicotine.com

This was a very interesting read, thank you for contributing, it certainly provides insight into the which hunt against vaping in general. I still plan however to use nic free juice, im going to leave it to those who need it, regardless of how non-adictive it might be. Considering you seem to have significant insight into vaping in general, I was curious if you had anything to add or say in regards to my original post and the subsequent conversation.

 

[ajvapes]

 

[Carambrda]

This was a very interesting read, thank you for contributing, it certainly provides insight into the which hunt against vaping in general. I still plan however to use nic free juice, im going to leave it to those who need it, regardless of how non-adictive it might be. Considering you seem to have significant insight into vaping in general, I was curious if you had anything to add or say in regards to my original post and the subsequent conversation.

Well I'm not familiar with the vape that you bought, as I never use pod systems of any kind. They just don't fit my own personal taste, but I keep trying my best not to judge on those who love pods. There is a saying, that talking about music is like dancing about architecture. The same also holds true about vaping on so many levels IMO. Of course if it tastes burned and you keep vaping it in such a way that your coil turns all black in next to no time, then you'll know you're doing something very wrong that will also be flat out dangerous to your own health, for reasons that should be obvious expecially to someone like you who seems wise enough to know how to salvage cells from a battery pack without internally damaging them.

I only use mech mods and I build my own complex coils such as aliens and some other coil types for a hobby that also requires battery knowledge and special knowledge about how to keep things safe with a mech, and about coil builds specifically designed to be used on a mech. Advanced topics like how to optimize airflow characteristics, coil positioning, and wicking techniques on a rebuildable atomizer (RBA) also come with the territory. Most vapers have no interest whatsoever in any of that stuff. To me, though, it is the only way I can continue to enjoy vaping. Vaping normally every day and all day long is still much safer for health than doing other things like consuming fast food and a bag of candy seven times a week or constantly hanging out in the pub drinking too many beers for the only purpose of drinking too many beers. Vaping without nicotine can help some people to relieve stress symptoms. I never owned a fidget spinner. Watching a fidget spinner spin makes me feel dizzy.