Recipe Stealing

[Deft-One]

There is a confirmed recipe thief amongst us. I am in a few DIY juice groups on facebook and a member using a fake account has been caught claiming our recipes as her own. Her username on this site is @LeslieStarshine.
She has been removed from 2 facebook pages today for the stated above reason. She has a handle at ejuicerecipes.com of leslie_starshine. If you look at her recipes she has a few that have been stolen that she claimed hers. The admins of ejuicerecipe have edited her descriptions correcting her that the recipe was created by myself(deftonerdad). But up until yesterday they read it was hers. Just passing the info on that theres a leech amongst us. do with it what you may. vape on! Another lady I should mention had 4 pages of recipes on ejuicerecipe claiming all hers when they are not, she was banned as well, her name was Robin Young.
If you are a member of the facebook page DIY juice clone team, then all the evidience against these 2 are posted there as I brought it to the attention of our admins. they were quickly shunned.

 

[vapenator]

recipe thief or not I would still tap that, and isn't that really what is most important

 

[Whiskey]

Unless the said recipe's are patented, aren't all things like that if posted online, free for anyone to use?

 

[Whiskey]

recipe thief or not I would still tap that, and isn't that really what is most important

No, its not

 

[Tim Vatic]

I hate facebook.

 

[Whiskey]

Damned it....some one stole my mac & cheese recipe off facebook, Shut them DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[vapenator]

whiskey, do you like raisins? Because we could go on a date and eat raisins..... wait that doesn't sound all that swave.... sorry whiskey but I have been attending the nitro bex charm school and it hasn't been going as well as I have hoped

 

[Whiskey]

LOL, I see that Vapenator

 

[efektt]

Unless the said recipe's are patented, aren't all things like that if posted online, free for anyone to use?

Use... Yes. Claim as your own... No. Its just classless to not give credit to the person who deserves it.

 

[Whiskey]

Or copy, or claim as your own, I should have said, thanks efektt

 

[Browncoat]

Unless the said recipe's are patented, aren't all things like that if posted online, free for anyone to use?

No, they're not, in my opinion. I would argue that recipes fall under Intellectual Property:

A legal term that refers to creations of the mind. Examples of intellectual property include music, literature, and other artistic works; discoveries and inventions; and words, phrases, symbols, and designs. Under intellectual property laws, owners of intellectual property are granted certain exclusive rights.

It may be a bit of a stretch, but not too far. Particularly "discoveries and inventions", which basically is what a recipe is. I don't think there's a need to call for the torches and pitchforks or that there are legal implications here, but it's pretty shady to steal someone else's work or ideas and pawn them off as your own. Some people like to believe that anything online is a free-for-all, and that's definitely not the case. Here, it's just good form to give credit where credit is due.

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

As someone who has posted a few recipes here, I posted them to share, for everyone to use, and I could give a shit what anyone does with them.
Wanna make money selling my recipe, AWESOME! Im glad to help!
Wanna take credit for my recipe? GO AHEAD! Im glad to help!
If making juice were my livelihood, I wouldnt share recipes that I didnt want duplicated.
Even if I sold recipes, like someone Ive seen, I couldnt really gripe after someone paid for it. Thinking that everyone who reads stuff on the internet is gonna keep it quiet, is absolutely insane.
On a side note, that chick is gross.

 

[Cigmod VonToker]

People put out e juice recipes all over the net. What do they think is going to happen? There are probably lots of people doing this and probably some shops use a few of these recipes and put their own name and brand on them. So what. Whats the big deal? Especially since 95% of these DIY recipes are crap with many attempting to clone a brand name juice anyway. Why get your panties bunched up in a wad over such trivial and unimportant shit. If you don't want this this to happen then don't post your recipes all over the fucking place. Or just be happy that you can share with many who do appreciate your help and will give you the credit and recognition you seem to desperately desire. Man do we ever live in a world full of victimized whining pussies.

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

People put out e juice recipes all over the net. What do they think is going to happen? There are probably lots of people doing this and probably some shops use a few of these recipes and put their own name and brand on them. So what. Whats the big deal? Especially since 95% of these DIY recipes are crap with many attempting to clone a brand name juice anyway. Why get your panties bunched up in a wad over such trivial and unimportant shit. If you don't want this this to happen then don't post your recipes all over the fucking place. Or just be happy that you can share with many who do appreciate your help and will give you the credit and recognition you seem to desperately desire. Man do we ever live in a world full of victimized whining pussies.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[LetTheLuckRoll]

People put out e juice recipes all over the net. What do they think is going to happen? There are probably lots of people doing this and probably some shops use a few of these recipes and put their own name and brand on them. So what. Whats the big deal? Especially since 95% of these DIY recipes are crap with many attempting to clone a brand name juice anyway. Why get your panties bunched up in a wad over such trivial and unimportant shit. If you don't want this this to happen then don't post your recipes all over the fucking place. Or just be happy that you can share with many who do appreciate your help and will give you the credit and recognition you seem to desperately desire. Man do we ever live in a world full of victimized whining pussies.

perfect answer

 

[UncleRJ]

While I am not into DIY (YET) when the time comes I am looking into trying many of the recipes that I see posted here before I start to try to develope my own.

But even if I copy a recipe for my own use, I would never try to claim it as my own work no matter how good it is.

But I am sure there are a lot of people out there that would have no morality issues about doing just that.

Bad Karma can accumulate rather quickly you know!

 

[Teresa P]

I agree, if you don't want your prize winning, rare breed doggie stolen, then don't tie him to the porch post and leave home. My conscience and morals would never let me claim someone else's property as my own, physical or intellectual, but we all know some people lack class.

 

[John Q Public]

Bad form doesn't equal against the law.
You want to protect intellectual property, copyright it. Patent it. Whatever. There are a whole shit ton of laws in place to protect you if you do your part.
Just put your precious recipe out there with no protection...it's everyone's.

 

[vapenator]

John Q Public, That was actually well stated and thought out point, but you forgot to note the most important aspect of copyright laws and that is..... Vapor Joe sucks

 

[John Q Public]

heh.
Joe sucks harder than George Michael at a Mamma Mia! after party.

 

[Smoky Blue]

Bad form doesn't equal against the law.
You want to protect intellectual property, copyright it. Patent it. Whatever. There are a whole shit ton of laws in place to protect you if you do your part.
Just put your precious recipe out there with no protection...it's everyone's.

I will wait on your's @John Q Public haha!!

but you are right.. I used to have in my sig.. something like...
if you care about your recipes.. dont post them online.. i dunno..
its shocking at first.. I have had it happen many times with mine..
but.. knowing someone else liked mine well enough to call their own.. it must be pretty damn good.
still.. it sucks like trying to regress back to newbie cartos..

 

[Smoky Blue]

whiskey, do you like raisins? Because we could go on a date and eat raisins..... wait that doesn't sound all that swave.... sorry whiskey but I have been attending the nitro bex charm school and it hasn't been going as well as I have hoped

and ewww... I thought you had better taste than that, @vapenator shame shame!!

 

[Jetson]

I don't think you can patent or trademark a recipe. A cookbook, yes, as it is more than the sum of its parts. A process, yes, like a unique way to prepare foods, as in de-boned ribs (just saw it on Shark Tank). A brand, like Lipton Iced Tea, yes. But not a list of ingredients. Though I agree that stealing credit from the work of others is a jerkoff thing to do.

Source: Heard it somewhere once.

 

[Grendel6.5]

recipe thief or not I would still tap that, and isn't that really what is most important

Take me a 12 pack.

 

[hitman4274]

No, they're not, in my opinion. I would argue that recipes fall under Intellectual Property:

A legal term that refers to creations of the mind. Examples of intellectual property include music, literature, and other artistic works; discoveries and inventions; and words, phrases, symbols, and designs. Under intellectual property laws, owners of intellectual property are granted certain exclusive rights.

It may be a bit of a stretch, but not too far. Particularly "discoveries and inventions", which basically is what a recipe is. I don't think there's a need to call for the torches and pitchforks or that there are legal implications here, but it's pretty shady to steal someone else's work or ideas and pawn them off as your own. Some people like to believe that anything online is a free-for-all, and that's definitely not the case. Here, it's just good form to give credit where credit is due.

most of this is adressed in the terms of service of most websites... just saying you give up these right most of the time depending on where you post it... etc of course

 

[nabibrian]

When I look at food recipe sites, I see the same recipe on so many different sites with variations but what I have noticed is that once it is posted, the originator is sharing their recipe for love of what they have made and desire to share it with the world. It would seem to me that if someone did not want their recipe "stolen" they would not make it publicly available. A private recipe would either remain private or shared only with a select trusted few.

If you post a recipe and it gets "stolen", you should feel honored that someone thought so highly of what you came up with.

Back when I used to do coding of all types, I would share my code with a select few and it eventually got leaked out and I began seeing it in other forums with people claiming it as their own. What they did not know is I have certain "code signatures" that only I know about which was how I knew the code was "mine". What did I do? I laughed and moved on.

On another note, I could understand the frustration, a simple credit is not so hard to do!

Just my two cents...

 

[outwest]

Recipes can be legally copied, to an extent. The ingredients list cannot be copyrighted. However, the descriptive text on how to mix/prepare can be copyrighted. You could, for example, take a Rachel Ray cookbook, rewrite the names and descriptions of the dishes, rewrite the how to prepare portion of the recipes, but leave intact the list of ingredients with measurements, add some recipes to the collection and remove some from the collection (thus making it a new collection), and then legally publish it under your own name.

Edit to add source - U.S. Copyright Office, regarding copyright of recipes - http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html


As for the matter at hand, imho proper decorum would dictate that credit be given where credit is due. One must realize too, though, that multiple people, on their own, will come up with the same ingredient list and ratios for some recipes, especially the more basic ones. Not saying that's the case here, just putting that out there.

 

[Azyre]

While there is little legal recourse, calling out bad behavior is always a good thing to do. Sometimes it leads to the offender actually changing their behavior and not repeating it. At very least, it lets others in the community know of the problem so that they can take some precautions when deciding to interact with that particular individual in the future.

 

[whitepony1986]

meh i have been diying long enough if someone asks for one o my recipes ill give it to them and go on with my day hoping that they enjoy it enough to not stray back to smokes

 

[LuTang]