May I know what is wrong with my vicious ant phenom? I don't get good vape compare to my regulator HB mini.
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what kind of battery are you using?
Typically the issue is electrical.
So check your contacts, clean everything, make sure all the connections are tight.
Have a good battery charger that really fills the battery.
Have a high amp output battery.
Keep in mind on an unregulated device as the battery drains with each drag you'll see less vapor production for the same drag as the battery voltage drops.
Typically the issue is electrical.
So check your contacts, clean everything, make sure all the connections are tight.
Have a good battery charger that really fills the battery.
Have a high amp output battery.
Keep in mind on an unregulated device as the battery drains with each drag you'll see less vapor production for the same drag as the battery voltage drops.
I'm using a Samsung 2500 mAh battery.
Should I be getting different battery? After fully charges it, I still don't get strong vape. Btw i'm using 28 gauge coil.
My regulator uses 30 watt and 0.5 ohm
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Not sure exactly what model of samsung battery but I can't seem to find one with more than 20AMP continuous. Most of mine are 30-40AMP continuous. This would be a big difference in output.
For instance the CF Sub Ohm has a 40AMP output.
You might try a higher amp battery, if you've cleaned and tightened the connections already.
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Hi and welcome to VU! let me see if I can help....warning...at the bottom of this there will be several links to other threads and to an ohm's law calculator...the links are full of helpful information every new vapor and even some old vapors should learn if they don't know already. basic info to help and an ohm's law calculator so it can help figure the amp pull of your load to make sure you're safe...that being said...let's see if we can fix your issue here...
So, from reading the above posts you want to know why your mech isn't putting out the same as a regulated mod. And it looks like your battery is a Samsung 25 R which is a rock solid battery but it only has a max continuous drain rating of 20 amps so you don't want to run loads on a mech mod below .21'ish to be safe.
Ok...first of all the Phenom is a mechanical mod with no built in safety features or regulation...it's dumb...it's just a metal battery tube holder and when you push the fire button you're only going to get as much power to your atty as is left in the battery and each time you fire it your atty is going to fire a little bit weaker and weaker each time till there's no more power in your battery where as the HB mini is a chipset regulated mod with build in safety features and a DC to DC converter so it constantly supplies the same amount of power to the atty till the battery is dead...we're basically comparing apples to oranges here.
The gauge the wire is only half of what's important...knowing the resistance of the coil you're firing is even more...if you don't have an ohm's reader I suggest you stop building and playing with RDA's till you get one....not only do they tell you the resistance of the coil but they can help detect and prevent shorts because if you meter your build and the resistance is jumping all over the place you definitely have a short...whether it's a pinched lead or a loose screw it's telling you something is wrong.
Now, when you fire a mech mod there is some power drop due to the internal resistance in the battery and the resistance in the coil itself...so if you have a fully charged battery at 4.2 volts and you fire it against a , i dunno, we will say .5 ohm load for sake of example....after the voltage drop you're only going to get about 3.7-3.8 volts to the coil. And that's the most power you're going to get. Since there is no chipset in the mod and no regulators you're just going to get whatever power is available to the coil and it is going to be less and less each time you fire the mod as the battery dies. You do not want to let your battery drop below 3.4 volts when using a mech, it can shorten it's lifespan, after awhile you can tell by taste that the battery is ready to be recharged but it takes a bit to learn this....just when it starts feeling too weak swap it out, you won't hurt the battery by charging it early, you'll help it live longer actually. meanwhile...as the battery drains after a few hits to say like 4 volts now, that means you're only getting about 3.5 to the coil. and it goes on and on like this till the battery dies.
Now with the HB mini, there is a chipset brain in there that takes the power from the battery regulates it to the desired setting you have set on the mod so regardless of how much power is left in the battery its going to fire at the level you have it set at. So if you've got it set at 30 watts its going to fire at 30 watts till the chipset in the mod realizes that the battery is almost dead and needs to be recharged and shuts itself off.
Does that help make more sense of things? Like I said I am going to put some links down below that will help you understand things better and an ohm's law calculator so you can figure your wattage against your voltage and amp draw accordingly. Please ask more questions or if you need something clarified I will try and explain it again. Happy vaping and best of luck
http://thelocust.net/ohm/ <-----ohm's law calculator
and good info every vapor should know....
http://vapingunderground.com/thread...-sick-clouds-bro-thread-sticky-edition.78126/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/looking-for-the-best-sub-tanks-and-rda.73126/#post-428210
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/new-sort-of-to-vaping-and-want-huge-clouds.57203/#post-342138
@madmonkey has a lot of good info there.
Moving this over to Unregulated where perhaps it'll draw some more traffic...
Moving this over to Unregulated where perhaps it'll draw some more traffic...
So basically, my Mech Mod will be getting more vape compare to my regulator?Hi and welcome to VU! let me see if I can help....warning...at the bottom of this there will be several links to other threads and to an ohm's law calculator...the links are full of helpful information every new vapor and even some old vapors should learn if they don't know already. basic info to help and an ohm's law calculator so it can help figure the amp pull of your load to make sure you're safe...that being said...let's see if we can fix your issue here...
So, from reading the above posts you want to know why your mech isn't putting out the same as a regulated mod. And it looks like your battery is a Samsung 25 R which is a rock solid battery but it only has a max continuous drain rating of 20 amps so you don't want to run loads on a mech mod below .21'ish to be safe.
Ok...first of all the Phenom is a mechanical mod with no built in safety features or regulation...it's dumb...it's just a metal battery tube holder and when you push the fire button you're only going to get as much power to your atty as is left in the battery and each time you fire it your atty is going to fire a little bit weaker and weaker each time till there's no more power in your battery where as the HB mini is a chipset regulated mod with build in safety features and a DC to DC converter so it constantly supplies the same amount of power to the atty till the battery is dead...we're basically comparing apples to oranges here.
The gauge the wire is only half of what's important...knowing the resistance of the coil you're firing is even more...if you don't have an ohm's reader I suggest you stop building and playing with RDA's till you get one....not only do they tell you the resistance of the coil but they can help detect and prevent shorts because if you meter your build and the resistance is jumping all over the place you definitely have a short...whether it's a pinched lead or a loose screw it's telling you something is wrong.
Now, when you fire a mech mod there is some power drop due to the internal resistance in the battery and the resistance in the coil itself...so if you have a fully charged battery at 4.2 volts and you fire it against a , i dunno, we will say .5 ohm load for sake of example....after the voltage drop you're only going to get about 3.7-3.8 volts to the coil. And that's the most power you're going to get. Since there is no chipset in the mod and no regulators you're just going to get whatever power is available to the coil and it is going to be less and less each time you fire the mod as the battery dies. You do not want to let your battery drop below 3.4 volts when using a mech, it can shorten it's lifespan, after awhile you can tell by taste that the battery is ready to be recharged but it takes a bit to learn this....just when it starts feeling too weak swap it out, you won't hurt the battery by charging it early, you'll help it live longer actually. meanwhile...as the battery drains after a few hits to say like 4 volts now, that means you're only getting about 3.5 to the coil. and it goes on and on like this till the battery dies.
Now with the HB mini, there is a chipset brain in there that takes the power from the battery regulates it to the desired setting you have set on the mod so regardless of how much power is left in the battery its going to fire at the level you have it set at. So if you've got it set at 30 watts its going to fire at 30 watts till the chipset in the mod realizes that the battery is almost dead and needs to be recharged and shuts itself off.
Does that help make more sense of things? Like I said I am going to put some links down below that will help you understand things better and an ohm's law calculator so you can figure your wattage against your voltage and amp draw accordingly. Please ask more questions or if you need something clarified I will try and explain it again. Happy vaping and best of luck
http://thelocust.net/ohm/ <-----ohm's law calculator
and good info every vapor should know....
http://vapingunderground.com/thread...-sick-clouds-bro-thread-sticky-edition.78126/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/looking-for-the-best-sub-tanks-and-rda.73126/#post-428210
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/new-sort-of-to-vaping-and-want-huge-clouds.57203/#post-342138
While both of them are installed with the same RDA Samurai and now I've changed my coil to 22 gauge.
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no, not nessicarily....it depends on your resistance, wire gauge, and number of wraps...you could get more watts than 30 out of your mech mod where as your regulated mod wont go any higher...but that's only going happen if you have the right build and battery to power it. Do you know the resistance of your 22 gauge coil? you're getting down into dangerious territory with that wire if the resistance isn't high enough...and too big of 22 gauge coil and it will take forever for your poor battery to heat it up
Sorry for my noob question, how do I check my resistance? I want to play safe and while my local vape shop doesn't have much knowledge in this kind of stuff where they just want to do business.
I'm using 22 gauge with 5 wrap.
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Mine is 0.2 ohm, is it safe?check resistance with an ohm meter such as
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depending on the inner diameter of the coil it should be between .2-.3 and you should be ok with a 25R...that is if it's a single coil and not a dual...if you build a dual setup like that rip one coil out for safety...you need to buy and ohm's checker...they're usually around 15-25 bucks depending if you buy them online or in a brick and mortar....being a noob it's super important. luckily you have a good battery and are smart enough to ask...if you had taken that 22 gauge and wrapped a 4 wrap dual coil setup your mod could get real hot real fast and I'd hate to have something go wrong for you. The guys at your shop should be trying to sell you an ohm's meter, shame on them for not....I have to go to bed...I needed to like 5 hours ago, I have to be at work IN 3 hours...but anymore questions please ask and if someone doesn't chime in for me I'll get back to you as soon as i get home.
you're ok bud...just wait to build something else before you have a checker and read threw the threads I posted up earlier...they'll help a lot with understanding the basics
Thank you mate, have a great day!
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anytime bud...feel free to PM if you have a question you don't wanna post in a thread...if I can't answer it (which is rare these days) I'll know who to send you to.
Cheers and happy vaping
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Your amazing MM, I admire your informational posts every time I read them, and thanks for being a great help to our new members starting out vaping.
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Thank you ma'am...I'm just glad I can be of help....well, try to be of help anyways