Safety?

[BeneTan]

Hey!
Sorry for another post, I´m pretty new to vaping and i have another question.

So i was wondering about safety when it comes to batteries for e-cigs. I´ve seen the reports of exploding batteries and stuff, and while i know that this usually doesnt happen, it´s also clear that it CAN happen. So i wanted to ask some people who actually know what they are talking about, what exactly i have to be careful about to prevent stuff like this from happening in general.

Also I´ve seen the outgassing(?) holes in some batteries, do these make it impossible for the device to blow up, since the gas just gets out?
I have 2 eGo-T and an Evod battery and they all dont have these holes, can i drill them in myself or would that damage the battery?

Again, i know this happens very rarely, and I´m sure it will never happen to me, but I´m someone who worries about stuff like this way too much so I want to make sure I´m safe with this stuff, just for peace of mind

Thanks everyone!

 

[BeneTan]

out gassing holes ?? i have never seen nor heard of those ever, unless you are thinking those holes around the positive contact are venting holes ??
they are not vent holes but it is part of the design of the positive side contact

now if you want to vent the batteries you can drill them,but expect a nice kaboom , drilling and batteries always ends up in disaster

I meant like on the bottom of the eGo ONE for instance, so if the battery gets damaged it wont build up in the device.

Sorry i dont know all the correct terms yet I didnt mean the battery itself, but the device the battery is in.

 

[Whiskey]

There are a lot of threads here that explain how to use the different types of E-cgs with safely being number one .....take some time and look around First so you will be well informed before using one, you sound unsure of things. Welcome to VU

 

[NitroBex]

Batteries vent when they go thermal...
Most modern devices have some sort of place for the vented gas to go, this is simply to stop the material from fragmenting like a grenade...
To avoid the battery venting:
1: Avoid having it in extreme temperatures. (Don't leave on the front seat of your car in summer)
2: Avoid charging at the wrong amperage. (Don't use a 2 amp wall charger when your battery is designed to charge at 1 amp)
3: Avoid shocks to the device as much as possible. (Don't throw it on the counter when you get home, sit it down instead)
4: Avoid short circuits. (Don't carry your device in your purse/pocket with keys/change)

There are more but those are probably the 4 biggest for a new user.
Welcome to the forum and glad to have another vaper =)

 

[Woodsman]

The gear you own will not blow up. It is time-tested and reliable.
If you're into mechanical mods, that's where you have to know all about batteries.
The brand name devices such as yours have plenty of safety features built in.

 

[BeneTan]

Thank you very much everyone!

 

[OBDave]

Lots of good advice from @NitroBex, and @Woodsman also is correct in that you really need to be concerned with battery safety dealing with sub-ohm devices and mechanical mods - don't do anything really stupid/abusive to your eGo and it should be fine.

 

[madmonkey]

Hey!
Sorry for another post, I´m pretty new to vaping and i have another question.

So i was wondering about safety when it comes to batteries for e-cigs. I´ve seen the reports of exploding batteries and stuff, and while i know that this usually doesnt happen, it´s also clear that it CAN happen. So i wanted to ask some people who actually know what they are talking about, what exactly i have to be careful about to prevent stuff like this from happening in general.

Also I´ve seen the outgassing(?) holes in some batteries, do these make it impossible for the device to blow up, since the gas just gets out?
I have 2 eGo-T and an Evod battery and they all dont have these holes, can i drill them in myself or would that damage the battery?

Again, i know this happens very rarely, and I´m sure it will never happen to me, but I´m someone who worries about stuff like this way too much so I want to make sure I´m safe with this stuff, just for peace of mind

Thanks everyone!

Never try drilling a hole in the bottom of an eGo or Evod battery...you might end up puncturing it and causing the very problem you're trying to avoid. Those are very small batteries with a small chipset regulating their output to a very small amp level to prevent them from failing and when the chipset in them fails the mod simply won't fire so there's not really away to make those batteries "fail" or go "thermal."

Those holes you see in mechanical mods and larger regulated devices are for the IMR/INR 18650 batteries we use....those have a much higher amp drain rate and capacity and because they have no built in protection circuit on them like the older protected ICR batteries we used years ago (you can't use those kind of batteries in the newer regulated mods and we have much safer IMR/INR batteries than we used to and need them for their much higher amp drain limits that those old ICR's could ever put out to power modern coils and devices.) You have vent holes in the bottom of those mods as kind of a "last resort" to save the mod if all else fails and something does go wrong with a battery.

The kind of batteries we use now a days don't so much outright explode as they do just vent their gasses in what's called "thermal runaway." The IMR/INR batteries we use have very high amp drain limits meaning they can dump out a lot of power very fast....but there is a limit to how fast they can do it safely. The closer you get to that limit the more the battery starts to warm up. As the battery warms up more than it should sometimes it's got a chip inside of it that releases something (it's late and the words are escaping me of what it's proper name is,) that raises the internal resistance of the battery. The lower the internal resistance a battery has the better it performs...over the life of a battery it will slowly raise naturally as it get's closer to the end of it's life cycle and as a result it will start to decrease in storage capacity and not be able to put out as many amps as fast as it could as when it was new. Stressing a battery by pushing it at it's max amp drain limits or past them as we often due sub ohming on mechs especially, but some of the high wattage box mods can push a battery to it's max as well, can cause stress on the battery causing it to raise it's internal resistance faster than normal. If you continue you to push your battery as hard as possible after this process has started it can start to heat up faster than it can raise it's internal resistance to compensate and you have "thermal runaway" where the battery vents it's gasses because it's no longer able to keep up with the demand put on it and overheats.

As long as you practice good battery safety, and don't overtax your batteries constantly by straining them past their limits nonstop the likely hood of this happening is extremely rare but mod's are designed with vent holes in case the battery does do this to keep them from turning into a small bomb.

Like I said, the little batteries you have do have a failsafe built into them so that will literally never happen...your ego and evod batteries will simply stop firing before that is possible....but on the bigger box mods and if you ever get into tube mechs especially it's good to always be aware of your batteries maximum continuous amp drain limit and not exceed it. Some people push past this and play by a batteries "pulse limit' which means you can make a battery fire above its continuous limits for a short period of time but doing so damages and stresses the battery as I have said above and will seriously cut the life of your battery short as well as it's performance.

There are many good threads on battery safety here in the battery section that describes all of this in more detail as well as a website called "Battery University" that is good to read up on from time to time. Knowing the basics of ohm's law and good battery safety is good for any vapor, not just mech users...everyone from ego's to advanced box mods should know their batteries max continuous drain limit and in the case of an ego, the max output the little chip in it will allow (which is usually 2.5 to 3.5 amps depending on the model and the maker of the ego/evod style battery you're using. I am not sure about all the newer big battery ego's as I haven't used them for some time but I can't imagine it being much higher for safety's sake.)

I know this was a lot of info to take in quick so read it in time and search for better, more detailed information...I just was trying to put your mind at ease and explain the process you were asking about and not scare you,,,you have no reason to be scared of your batteries...handled properly they're quite safe.

Here's a couple other quick links to places on the forum to start poking around...I hope this was helpful and happy vaping

http://vapingunderground.com/thread...-sick-clouds-bro-thread-sticky-edition.78126/
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/looking-for-the-best-sub-tanks-and-rda.73126/#post-428210

 

[Not Sure]

when you use an rda or rba with a mech tube or mech box is when you need to know about battery safety. if you use something like a pre built clearo with an mvp or evod etc, not so much.

 

[madmonkey]

There might not be as much to know about using ego's and clearos compared to mech's and RDA's but it still doesn't hurt to learn what there is to know about the gear you have regardless of it's level....when I started on ego's and clearo's I learned as much as I could about them and started rebuilding them pretty quickly, but I wanted to be as safe as possible with my gear, regardless of it's "level". All vape gear has one thing in common, it takes a battery to heat a coil to vaporize liquid that creates a vapor. Now how advanced your gear is might be a different story, but it all does the same thing on a very basic level and it's good to know what it's capable of regardless of what level that is....in my humble opinion anyways.....

 

[Not Sure]

There might not be as much to know about using ego's and clearos compared to mech's and RDA's but it still doesn't hurt to learn what there is to know about the gear you have regardless of it's level....when I started on ego's and clearo's I learned as much as I could about them and started rebuilding them pretty quickly, but I wanted to be as safe as possible with my gear, regardless of it's "level". All vape gear has one thing in common, it takes a battery to heat a coil to vaporize liquid that creates a vapor. Now how advanced your gear is might be a different story, but it all does the same thing on a very basic level and it's good to know what it's capable of regardless of what level that is....in my humble opinion anyways.....

yeah, once i posted that i already thought of a thousand reasons to edit it lol, safety is key no matter what setup youre using

 

[Whiskey]

Moved to battery area

 

[battery bro]

out gassing holes ?? i have never seen nor heard of those ever, unless you are thinking those holes around the positive contact are venting holes ??
they are not vent holes but it is part of the design of the positive side contact

now if you want to vent the batteries you can drill them,but expect a nice kaboom , drilling and batteries always ends up in disaster

This is the vent hole

When pressure builds, the hole allows dangerous chemicals like ether to escape. If it gets in your eyes you should wash them out immediately and likewise if it's on skin or clothing it can irritate and should be washed out immediately. Typically 18650 batteries do not explode - they vent. However they can smoke, fire, or explode all depending on circumstances.

If your vape does not have any vent holes, then a venting battery inside the vape can cause the vape to explode.

Edit: This is a Samsung 25R by the way.

 

[Woodsman]

A Vape (Mechanical Mod) without vent holes...I've seen one!!
Scary.................

 

[madmonkey]

A Vape (Mechanical Mod) without vent holes...I've seen one!!
Scary.................

I couldn't agree more, but what's even scarier than that is someone using the wrong battery in said mod because they were never taught proper battery safety or were to afraid to ask about it...or the worst...too lazy to learn it because they didn't think that had to for some unknown reason

 

[Woodsman]

I couldn't agree more, but what's even scarier than that is someone using the wrong battery in said mod because they were never taught proper battery safety or were to afraid to ask about it...or the worst...too lazy to learn it because they didn't think that had to for some unknown reason

People who are not technical-minded need to stick with popular tested gear.

 

[madmonkey]

People who are not technical-minded need to stick with popular tested gear.

I agree but I also believe people are going to do what they're going to do regardless of the consiquiences sometimes, that's why I try and do my best to help the ones that ask the questions....maybe someday they'll share with someone that wouldn't ask the questions and they'll be safe as a result as well. Knowledge is paramount for safety in vaping regardless of what gear you use and the more we can spread the better