What build could I use to actually test my device at full power?

[conanthewarrior]

Hi people. Yesterday I got the sigelei 150, and I love it. I also now realise what this sub ohming is about, it really kicks some! Great flavour, and humungous clouds from a dual 0.15 build at around 60-70 watts, and if I want the best flavour slightly lower around the 50's gives even more.

But, the man inside me wants to try topping it out. Kind of like when you get a new car, you want to see what it can do, so go out late to a quiet stretch of an A road for the 2 or 3 lanes, and just go for it.

But, Yesterday I tried 120watts. That was NOT pleasant.It was an instant dry hit, and my wicks were well juiced, and there is even a juice well on the el cabron. I am glad I make my own juice, as thats upto 8ML that just went there. If I bought connoisseur expensive stuff, I would probably of been upset, but if I am honest the homemade juice tastes great to me, and costs far, far less. I think its about 20P per 10 Mls, vs about £15 for the premium stuff.

Getting down to business, what build could I try in there to try 150 watts? I never liked super low builds, but now I have the power, I think they are the bees knees.

Even if I can only get a 2 second pull at that power, I will be happy if I get vapour. Even 1 Second, as long as I get vapour, and can say I have attempted vaping at 150 watts.

So, any advice for trying to vape at 100 watts plus? Closer to 150? I am going to take it as High as I can, before I get dry hits. I will use the sonys for this experiment.

Cheers people, hope your all having a great day, nice and sunny here in England for a change lol!

 

[zaroba]

What gauge wire are you using? While you can make a low ohm build with thinner wire, it will heat up *much* more then a lower gauge wire at the same wattage with the same number of coils. Thus resulting in drying out the cotton much faster and giving dry hits. So need thicker wire to support the increased wattage. Or many more coils combined to make the lower resistance.



Sigelei 150 can take coils down to 0.1 ohms. So could do that.

My two normal builds:
Mutation X v2 with dual 20 gauge 7.5 wrap yields me 0.14 ohms - this was my normal build when I had a sigelei 100 watt



Now that I have a 150 watt, this might become my normal build.
Mutation X v3 with dual 20 gauge 5.5 wrap yields me 0.12 ohms. Currently using it at 115, but have gone up to 150 without issues. Can easily result in a funny taste though if your coils and cotton aren't clean due to old gunk burning off.

 

[DanRo]

What gauge wire are you using? While you can make a low ohm build with thinner wire, it will heat up *much* more then a lower gauge wire at the same wattage with the same number of coils. Thus resulting in drying out the cotton much faster and giving dry hits. So need thicker wire to support the increased wattage. Or many more coils combined to make the lower resistance.



Sigelei 150 can take coils down to 0.1 ohms. So could do that.

My two normal builds:
Mutation X v2 with dual 20 gauge 7.5 wrap yields me 0.14 ohms - this was my normal build when I had a sigelei 100 watt
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Now that I have a 150 watt, this might become my normal build.
Mutation X v3 with dual 20 gauge 5.5 wrap yields me 0.12 ohms. Currently using it at 115, but have gone up to 150 without issues. Can easily result in a funny taste though if your coils and cotton aren't clean due to old gunk burning off.
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nice build, i use the same exact build but with kenthal A1 0.5mm 4 wraps around .19 ohms on the mutation x v3 as well with the vmesh protected mech mod

 

[conanthewarrior]

I was using 26 gauge, I do have 24 though which I am using now actually at 0.15 ohms, still lovely around the same wattage I was using before if I am honest.

EDIT" I managed It! Only could do 2 seconds before a dry hit, but I vaped at 150 watts. It was super hot though, not very enjoyable if I am honest. I also tried 120, and even that is too much. It seems that 60 to 80 watts is the current sweet spot, sometimes lower than 60 but never above 80. I have used its full power though, so I am now happy to have done so.

I can now continue to learn and vape normally, just had to do that for myself to experience it.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Hang on, 20 gauge? Wow. I thought the 24 I was using earlier was thick, it was only like 4 turns though to reach 0.15 for dual coil. I may buy some thicker wire to expermient with, although this 24 gauge is doing the trick for now.

 

[robot zombie]

Assuming the max voltage is 7.5, I believe the highest you can build to still get the full 150w is just under .4. A .35 is 20.7 amps @ 7.25v. Just bear in mind that as your battery voltage drops, the current is going to rise to keep you at 150w, so you'll want to be using VTC4's.

Anything lower than that will probably work, too. What I'm not sure of, is whether it will simply drop the voltage or limit the current. It's worth knowing which. If it drops the voltage on a .15 and leaves the current as-is, then you're gonna pull 31 amps from your batteries to get 150w. I don't know if the Sigelei 150 can buck current. My gut says that it probably does, hence why its indicates .1 as it's minimum. Anybody know what's up with that?

Hang on, 20 gauge? Wow. I thought the 24 I was using earlier was thick, it was only like 4 turns though to reach 0.15 for dual coil. I may buy some thicker wire to expermient with, although this 24 gauge is doing the trick for now.

24 is my go-to gauge for sub-ohm builds. It's perfect at around .25, imho. Even at .3, it's quite nice. I've gone as high as .4 with it. It's slow on a mech at that point, but the flavor and vapor are still there. I bet a .5 24g build would be pretty killer at ~100w. But when you get any lower than .18, it starts getting too hot and the vapor/flavor really drops off. Dry hits will be a thing. Not enough surface area for the heat to traverse. If you wanna go below .2, then you might want to try 22g. A 22g .16 is more effective than a 24g .16 imho. Same power, more surface area, and reasonable ramp time starting at 110w.

You could also do a quad 24. If you like that, then you will probably like thicker wire, as well.

 

[zaroba]

Hang on, 20 gauge? Wow. I thought the 24 I was using earlier was thick, it was only like 4 turns though to reach 0.15 for dual coil. I may buy some thicker wire to expermient with, although this 24 gauge is doing the trick for now.

I like thicker wire because my big bulky hands can't handle delicate thin wire. I find it far to easy to mess up the coils with the thinner gauges. Especially when it comes to installing, tweaking, and wicking them.

20 gauge does have it's drawbacks though.
The 0.14 ohm build had a warm up time of 2-3 seconds if the coils were 'cold'. But after that there was no noticeable warm up time unless I waited more then 15 seconds between hits. Also has a long cool down time. After a hit, I could still suck a bit of vapor from the RDA 10 seconds later. The 0.14 ohm builds also seemed to suffer from excess RDA/mod heat. The RDA would get hot to the touch after just a few hits and trying to chain vape it would result in my Sigelei getting hot to the touch in less time then it took to need another dripping. Had nothing to do with the batteries, could feel the batteries and they would be cooler then the mod itself, was just heat radiating down from the RDA. Didn't happen if I left a bit of a gap between the RDA and the Sigelei.

The 0.12 ohm builds don't seem to suffer from the excess heat issue at all. The reduced mass also has a slightly shorter warm up time and faster cool down time.

Although I was using 115 watts when making that above post, I prefer 75 watts for most builds.
I can get a nice pleasurable lung full at 75 watts.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I like thicker wire because my big bulky hands can't handle delicate thin wire. I find it far to easy to mess up the coils with the thinner gauges. Especially when it comes to installing, tweaking, and wicking them.

20 gauge does have it's drawbacks though.
The 0.14 ohm build had a warm up time of 2-3 seconds if the coils were 'cold'. But after that there was no noticeable warm up time unless I waited more then 15 seconds between hits. Also has a long cool down time. After a hit, I could still suck a bit of vapor from the RDA 10 seconds later. The 0.14 ohm builds also seemed to suffer from excess RDA/mod heat. The RDA would get hot to the touch after just a few hits and trying to chain vape it would result in my Sigelei getting hot to the touch in less time then it took to need another dripping. Had nothing to do with the batteries, could feel the batteries and they would be cooler then the mod itself, was just heat radiating down from the RDA. Didn't happen if I left a bit of a gap between the RDA and the Sigelei.

The 0.12 ohm builds don't seem to suffer from the excess heat issue at all. The reduced mass also has a slightly shorter warm up time and faster cool down time.

Although I was using 115 watts when making that above post, I prefer 75 watts for most builds.
I can get a nice pleasurable lung full at 75 watts.

Yeah I think generally the 100 watt plus boxes, like the 150, are a bit insane. I like it though set at about 75 too if chasing clouds,about 60 watts for nice flavour.


My lemo has a 0.5 in it finally, and I've tried from 15-45 watts, and find about 25-30 to be the best for flavour and vapour.

Who knows, maybe something major will happen in vaping at that will be huge power? I wonder if we will look back in a few years and laugh when we thought 150 and such is insane, much like a while ago a lot of people thought for 30 and over?

 

[Zamazam]

I've build Dual Gravedigger coils at .13 on my Mutation X using 20 Gauge. That stuff is as thick as bailing wire. It took a lot of watts to get the type of vape I like, I really had to put the spurs to the atty with the 150 at 110-125 Watts. Now, I just build higher, .2 or .3 and use less watts, but get the same vape.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I've build Dual Gravedigger coils at .13 on my Mutation X using 20 Gauge. That stuff is as thick as bailing wire. It took a lot of watts to get the type of vape I like, I really had to put the spurs to the atty with the 150 at 110-125 Watts. Now, I just build higher, .2 or .3 and use less watts, but get the same vape.

I did manage it for like 2 seconds, otherwise it was dry. A gravedigger coil? I will have to look into making one, are they very complex? Its just so I have usesd it to its full potential, once its done I will be happy. If I could get a longer pull than 2 seconds, then I would be happy, knowing I have done it, and just go back to what I am using now with less watts.

BTW, any people get the SIg 75 TC? Is it single or double battery? As I think once any possible issues are ironed out I will get one of them.