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so I'm still on the fence between a dual batt sx350j or a dna200.
I would prefer to not get both mods. albeit ive had several dna mods, and currently have a few single batter sx305j's. even at like settings I prefer the sx mostly because the dna40's ramp up bothers living crap out of me, whereas, the dna in powerful or powerFU hits the way I prefer.
I have tried asking how the dna200 fires over on the evolv forum which led to a series of answers that made zero sense to me.
I'm as guilty or more guilty than anyone for participating and letting threads like this degrade into a bunch of nonsense. Honestly I would like to see a straight up legitimate comparison between the two boards and how the PERFORM at the settings. I'm not worried about lipo batteries or any of that. and if I were evolv just released the 130w board that runs on 2 18650's anyway taking the lipo fear out of the equation.
but for the sake of argument, I like a hard initial hit, I typically vape between 70-90 watts on a dripper and 50-55 on an rta.
in temp mode i'll run at 50j and 520 degrees.

just trying to figure out which direction would suit me better.
 

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Dual Battery SX350J with the updated software to 150 Watts. I never go above 110 watts with a dripper, so 150 is more than enough for me. When the DNA200 hit in larger numbers, the comparisons will start and there will be fanboys and Fangirls on both sides. I'm board agnostic at this point, if if works and is reasonably priced, it will sell.
 

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Dual Battery SX350J with the updated software to 150 Watts. I never go above 110 watts with a dripper, so 150 is more than enough for me. When the DNA200 hit in larger numbers, the comparisons will start and there will be fanboys and Fangirls on both sides. I'm board agnostic at this point, if if works and is reasonably priced, it will sell.
yeah roger, I figured I may be asking too soon, but I was hoping to avoid avid fanboism and lead into a pleasant conversation of sorts.
looking at the first impressions on evolvs forum don't give me a whole lot of confidence in the dna, especially being I don't wanna fiddlefuck with shit. I do that for a living I don't wanna do it to vape. that's what I like about the 350j, I just want that performance with better battery life and to the 150w. I have the petcock for the mod, but I would prefer the form factor without the dangly thingy.
then I go looking at them and see the dna and the 'curiosity' sets in- then I get wishy washy hahaa
after the dna40 I don't want to waist the money on wishy washy not do I want to lose out ... I think I need professional help
 

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Kind of the same as you. I'm highly interested in the dna200 due to it's potential with escribe and customization. However I feel like they've released a beta product to the market with Opus D that seem to be having blown fuse problems other modder's are as well, Hana apparently has some screen problems, some have had components fall off the boards, numerous firmware updates in a very short time to fix bugs. In general it seems like a rushed to market product not quite ready for prime time if you read the early adopters forum. If a Chinese company had the problems they have as "Early Adopters" I could only imagine the shit storm that would create. If I buy one it will probably be 6 months down the road unless the competition releases something more interesting. The reality is Sxmini m does more than I need currently.

But to kind of answer your question about initial fire. I believe there's a vid floating around someone had the Boost or whatever it's called at high wattage 150w maybe and effectively ignited his wick on firing so I don't believe there's a ramp up like your talking about.
 

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that's kind of what I was asking on the forum over there, before I got bashed for trolling.
quite honestly I sort of talked myself out of it just after I started the thread, via discussing the sxm. yihi has been nothing but honest and overly helpful. at least to me and a few others, that ive spoken too. while evolv, didn't outright lie, and did keep there end of the bargain, but, they were at the very least marginally deceitful, with the dna40. almost makes me feel like I'm rewarding them for treating the collective as guinne pigs. yet I'm still curious. hahaha
still like you the yihi board is MORE than what I need for my purposes.
but youre right, has the sx350j had the rollout that evolv has had they would be back to putting out zmaxes or out of business, and at least in my opinion that board is still the best thing I've used to date.
 

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I haven't been over there a lot. Guess I need to go find your thread. :) But I wouldn't even consider posting anything there as the "Early Adopters" typically have a hard on for Evolv so I wouldn't expect to receive any objective information from them in all honesty.
 

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I haven't been over there a lot. Guess I need to go find your thread. :) But I wouldn't even consider posting anything there as the "Early Adopters" typically have a hard on for Evolv so I wouldn't expect to receive any objective information from them in all honesty.
I wasn't expecting objective information, I just asked about the ramp up, but, I made the mistake of saying that I didn't like the ramp up on the 40 even though I have every iteration of the board across several mods.... apparently using a reference point to help explain your question was a bad idea. I thought mentioning that I have so many of the other products would at least let them know that I'm wanting an honest straight up answer, but, of course they took it like I was the emperor looking to blow up Alderaan.
what the hell dude? if you cant admit there's a problem how in the hell are you going to fix it?
 

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If you don't want a lot of customization I would probably steer clear of the DNA200. It requires some adjustments to ramp up voltage to get the hard hit you are talking about. Even then there is still a slight delay with your first "cold fire" for lack of a better term.

I've had a mod with the DNA200 for around a week and am still playing with coils, settings, and so on so I don't want to get to deep into the pro's and con's etc until I've had more time with the chip.

So far though I've been enjoying it. I don't have a SX350j but am in talks with a mod maker to do one of those for me as well in dual batt to compare the two.
 

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If you don't want a lot of customization I would probably steer clear of the DNA200. It requires some adjustments to ramp up voltage to get the hard hit you are talking about. Even then there is still a slight delay with your first "cold fire" for lack of a better term.

I've had a mod with the DNA200 for around a week and am still playing with coils, settings, and so on so I don't want to get to deep into the pro's and con's etc until I've had more time with the chip.

So far though I've been enjoying it. I don't have a SX350j but am in talks with a mod maker to do one of those for me as well in dual batt to compare the two.
hmmm ok.. by playing with it, are you referring to software or actual build?
the 350j has the boost modes that I'm a huge fan of, with one click you can have the mod fire in a different fashion to where you don't adjust you wattage as much. I know the dna has 8 memory locations that lets you save the temp and power setting, and ive heard people reference curves.
I don't mind the customization if its a deal where I can set it once and never see it again. but if I have to go program it every other day because yesterday I was running tanks but today I wanna run drippers that would get old FAST.

by curves is that a percentage curve or an actual course of the firing,
in other words lets say the sx- powerful gives you 10 percent higher power for the first second of your pull, so at 30w you get 33w for 1 second then 30w at 40w you get 44w then 40 and so on.
does the dna curve operate similarly or is it programmed for 33w for x amount of time then 30w for x amount of time...


also with the dna does it work in tc with titanium? and what is the max output with nickel and lowest ni200 build that it will fire?

thank you for answering and sorry for all the questions and to reference the sx but that's what I know,
 

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Playing with it from the software standpoint. However, with all of it's features it can be used as a "regular ole mod" and functions pretty much the same as a DNA40 using your manual buttons etc.

The EScribe software allows you to build profiles and customize to your liking.

When using TC you can set the "preheat power", "preheat punch", as well as a "preheat time limit". These settings are done in EScribe.

Preheat power = Higher Wattage setting the mod will fire at on initial button press to get the coil to the actual wattage/temp setting to somewhat mask button delay for lack of a better term. For TC I have it set to anywhere from 150-200W depending on the device profile I am using. We will get to the device profile in a second. lol

Preheat punch = Similar to what youre used to with the SX. Settings range from Soft to Hard (I know... wtf were they thinking lol) and numerically from 1-11. Default is 5 which I assume is normal. I haven't read up on preheat punch but I assume purely based on the feature this is where you would set yours for Hard to get a faster ramp up time for this profile/device delivering a harder initial hit up to your temp threshold.

Preheat time limit = pretty self explanatory. lol

The 8 memory locations you mentioned are called profiles within the EScribe software and are customizable.

For instance. I run a Velocity RDA, Twisted Messes RDA, & a Smok TCT tank regularly. For the Smok I have a profile named "Smok TCT" and have a locked ohm of .15 (Ni coil head) and typically vape it on the DNA at 65w & 520F. I set the preheat power to 150w. It gets the vape out quick and warm for sure. I save that as "Profile 1" then upload the settings to the DNA200.

I did the same steps for my other atty's.

Now when I want to switch my atty. I go into locked power mode. Hit the up button twice and you can move freely between your profiles and they will show the saved names so you dont have to remember profile 1 was for this and 2 was for that. Set it to my "Smok TCT" profile. Slap my TCT on it and vape away with all the saved profile settings. If I want to put on my Velocity. I go to my Velocity named profile. Slap on my Velocity and go. It's a really convenient feature. If you ever want to go back and make adjustments to your profiles you can through EScribe. Even on the profile you can still tweak your power and temp if you want to. However, what you manually change follows to EScribe. If your profile was 70w. You change it to 80w. When you connect it to EScribe your profile will now read your current settings. Hopefully that wasn't confusing.

I havent tried Ti yet on it and all the profile settings I see are Ni200 specific. I'm sure it supports it through customized settings but I haven't delved into that as of yet.

Max output for Ni is 200w. I've had it upwards of 130w myself testing some things. I've built dual Ni claptons with 26/28g and it read out at .03 and fire with no problem. That really is the shining part of this chip. I havent had anything that wont fire on it. With that being said in my experience its also been really sensitive to bad builds with Ni and will read short with a quickness.

Hopefully all this helped more than confused. Dont take anything here as scripture as this chip is still new to me as well. If anyone can add or hell correct me I'm more than ok with that. HAHA.
 
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Playing with it from the software standpoint. However, with all of it's features it can be used as a "regular ole mod" and functions pretty much the same as a DNA40 using your manual buttons etc.

The EScribe software allows you to build profiles and customize to your liking.

When using TC you can set the "preheat power", "preheat punch", as well as a "preheat time limit". These settings are done in EScribe.

Preheat power = Higher Wattage setting the mod will fire at on initial button press to get the coil to the actual wattage setting to somewhat mask button delay for lack of a better term. For TC I have it set to anywhere from 150-200W depending on the device profile I am using. We will get to the device profile in a second. lol

Preheat punch = Similar to what youre used to with the SX. Settings range from Soft to Hard (I know... wtf were they thinking lol) and numerically from 1-11. Default is 5 which I assume is normal. I haven't read up on preheat punch but I assume purely based on the feature this is where you would set yours for Hard to get a faster ramp up time for this profile/device delivering a harder initial hit up to your temp threshold.

Preheat time limit = pretty self explanatory. lol

The 8 memory locations you mentioned are called profiles within the EScribe software and are customizable.

For instance. I run a Velocity RDA, Twisted Messes RDA, & a Smok TCT tank regularly. For the Smok I have a profile named "Smok TCT" and have a locked ohm of .15 (Ni coil head) and typically vape it on the DNA at 65w & 520F. I set the preheat power to 150w. It gets the vape out quick and warm for sure. I save that as "Profile 1" then upload the settings to the DNA200.

I did the same steps for my other atty's.

Now when I want to switch my atty. I go into locked power mode. Hit the up button twice and you can move freely between your profiles and they will show the saved names so you dont have to remember profile 1 was for this and 2 was for that. Set it to my "Smok TCT" profile. Slap my TCT on it and vape away with all the saved profile settings. If I want to put on my Velocity. I go to my Velocity named profile. Slap on my Velocity and go. It's a really convenient feature. If you ever want to go back and make adjustments to your profiles you can through EScribe. Even on the profile you can still tweak your power and temp if you want to. However, what you manually change follows to EScribe. If your profile was 70w. You change it to 80w. When you connect it to EScribe your profile will now read your current settings. Hopefully that wasn't confusing.

I havent tried Ti yet on it and all the profile settings I see are Ni200 specific. I'm sure it supports it through customized settings but I haven't delved into that as of yet.

Max output for Ni is 200w. I've had it upwards of 130w myself testing some things. I've built dual Ni claptons with 26/28g and it read out at .03 and fire with no problem. That really is the shining part of this chip. I havent had anything that wont fire on it. With that being said in my experience its also been really sensitive to bad builds with Ni and will read short with a quickness.

Hopefully all this helped more than confused.
not confusing at all, this is the exact info I was after.
the tc mods i've used are all sensitive to the builds, I've found grub nuts really help to ensured the connection... figured that out quick with the 40.
how do the profiles behave if say today you have your velocity with an ni200 build but tomorrow change it to kanthal. but set up the twisted messes with ni200, can you run the twisted messes on the velocity profile even if the resistance is different?

now, if you are in kanthal mode can you set it to give you something similar to a "preheat punch?" or are you left with just the stock ramp up? I'm guessing that's what you mean by regular ole mod?
and with the stock ramp up, is that like the dna40 or the dna30? the dna30 fired whatever powered you set it at right from the button press the 40 had a gradual build up.
 

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With the limited power mode I've been running the ramp up to me is negligible at best. Maybe half a second. I've not experienced anything close to delay I experienced with the Snow Wolf for example. I haven't messed with the preheats for Kanthal/NiChrome but I will tomorrow and let you know if it makes any difference. The preheat default is set to 200w out of the box I don't think I messed with it for power profiles.

There is a 100w Kanthal limit by default that I changed to 200w and have had no issues running it at higher wattages for power builds for testing. I rarely go over 100w on power builds anyways.

I don't see why there would be an issue swapping profiles as you mentioned. I never lock my ohms for RDA builds in the profiles cause it would be a pain in the ass as you eluded to previously. My profiles are based on ramp up time settings and my preferred actual wattage settings I vape at. The names are just that. Names. Lol.

To keep it real easy I also built some default/dummy profiles called "Nich/Kanthal 100" for a generic 100w power mode profile, another "85" etc in the event I want to make adjustments with random RDA's and/or tanks and don't want to touch my Velocity, or Smok profiles etc.

What I meant by "regular ole mod" was you don't have to use the software at all and it functions just like your DNA30, 40's etc with all the same hold these buttons to change temp etc etc but it gives you a much wider range of wattages and stuff to use. Why anyone would buy this thing and not use the features is beyond me but to each their own. I'll also note it works remarkably well with lower wattage devices also and I've experienced no problems. It's really versatile from what I've seen. It could die tomorrow for all I know but so far so good.

The mod maker for mine used very good Lipo & the box is really nicely done imo. I'll keep using it and let you know if anything crops up or gets janky.
 
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To keep it real easy I also built some default/dummy profiles called "Nich/Kanthal 100" for a generic 100w power mode profile, another "85" etc in the event I want to make adjustments with random RDA's and/or tanks and don't want to touch my Velocity, or Smok profiles etc.
that's kind of another question.... so, you can do that to setup up ramp up times and just swap around whatever without having to fiddlefuck and keep your existing profiles.?
On my hexohm and sx both I stay between 70 and 90 with RDAs but the higher power for preheat would be great.
What kind of battery life are you getting?
 

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Yeah I think you could do that. I don't see why not.

Battery life is pretty subjective. All depends on your vape style and what the Lipo is rated at. Mine utilizes a MaxTemps 1850mah 11.1v True 100c so the battery life has been very good. In power mode I tested on a weekend day when I vape pretty much all day and had no issues with the batt lasting all day and then some. Typical power build for me is on the Velocity running 24g GPlat, dual 9 wraps and it comes out to .24ish ohms to give you some idea.

TC consumes more power but I can still get the day out of it unless I'm just freight training all day. But that's not typical for me. The battery charges quickly and supports pass through so all in all I've had no battery concerns. YMMV depending on what your mod maker or company chooses to use as far as battery pack.
 

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Yeah I think you could do that. I don't see why not.

Battery life is pretty subjective. All depends on your vape style and what the Lipo is rated at. Mine utilizes a MaxTemps 1850mah 11.1v True 100c so the battery life has been very good. In power mode I tested on a weekend day when I vape pretty much all day and had no issues with the batt lasting all day and then some. Typical power build for me is on the Velocity running 24g GPlat, dual 9 wraps and it comes out to .24ish ohms to give you some idea.

TC consumes more power but I can still get the day out of it unless I'm just freight training all day. But that's not typical for me. The battery charges quickly and supports pass through so all in all I've had no battery concerns. YMMV depending on what your mod maker or company chooses to use as far as battery pack.
I'll either go with cloudmaker, vaporshart or ill build one.

do not have a typical vape, some days I'm on a tugboat with a 0.2 at 90w some days its wrapped at a 0.33 at 80w
Others I'm using a tank with a .2
My interest really is that I can't get enough power to run a good nickel dripper with a 26g build. So ive reverted to either a single coil RDA with nickel or back to dual Kanthal build,

From what it sounds like the dna would be better on a temp build while the yihi board would be better on kanthal build. Would be great if I could get one mod to run the yihi power and the evolv temp.
I'm not 100% sold on temp so I've got some thinking to do....
Thank yo very much for the info!!!
 

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Sure man. Anytime. This things a beast at Temp Mode and power delivery. That's not to say it doesn't vape well with Kanthal too. It's great all around imo.

I've preordered a Cloudmaker as well. Looking forward to getting it. I was just impatient and wanted a DNA200 now lol.
 

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That's what spawned the thought. Ive wanted andual sx350j since I got the mini. I'm about to order one and wanted to try and totally rule out the dna200 before making the investment.

Now I'm even more torn. I know once the coudmakers start getting in peoples hands they'll be impossible to get for a few months so I'm trying to make my mind up asap, ill build a dna before a yihi board though,
 

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I hear you man. I think the Cloudmaker is gonna be where it's at no matter what flavor you go with. I'll be jumping on both chip kits as soon as they are available.

I like the SX350J and it's a great chip no doubt. I just feel like it's a step behind the 200 in features a la software for around the same price point. Again this is purely subjective and only my opinion.

At the end of the day you should go with what you're comfortable with. I'm ok with being a guinea pig to some degree because these mods are not huge amounts of money and I know you're like me and have plenty of stuff on hand to cover you if you did have an issue. Not that it's ok to expect issues. I'm not saying that. But this chip for me has been a great value and performer so far. It doesn't have the track record Yihi has per se but I don't think that's a bad thing. Evolv has got to be in the position to try to put out the best product they can after their past so I didn't feel hesitant to give it a try and glad I did.
 

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Yeah well....I player Guinne pig for every version of the dna40... and like you said, they have alot to prove so they're motivated,
Who the fuck am I kidding ill end up with both eventually.
Know anyone that wants to buy 4 dna40s? Figure I can put half of those towards a DNA200 and keep a few for vapocolyose.
 

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eBay them bitches and get you both suhn! Like now! Hahahahaha.

Sorry man I'm an enabler. :)
 

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No apologies, I'm famous for that one myself.
Fuck ebay, the shop here has a consignment case. :)
 

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Yeah mine does to. I haven't gone that route yet though.
 

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Ehhh, I have, it worked out well. Of course I left the shop with a new mod and less money lmao
 

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I've had the ipv4, which is close the the chip you speak of and now I have the dna 200. 200 hands down. Its an amazing vape with the preheat and there are things I don't understand yet like the temp curve. It can only get better. I read the yihi chip does pwm temp control. It's weird on a long drag. You can feel the heat pulsing. It's constant on my hana
 
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Huh? how do you have a yihi board on a Hana?
 

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Oh ... Duhhhh... I read that before coffee cup #1
 

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The sxm regulation pulse did kinda trip me out at first, before it all I've had were provari and DNA mods, but the actual vape seems to be smoother, than the 40. Granted once out of tc its straight dc again.

Fuck, looks like im gonna try and find a dna200 to try.... Not dropping 200$ on one but hell I've bought dumber shit....like dna40s
 

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If the price of $117 holds true for the Hcigar VT200 I might be picking one of them up. Yea I agree with you I wouldn't pay much for one with all the problems being reported on them. Just not worth the hassle to go through the warranty process to me.
http://www.gearbest.com/temperature-control-dna-200-_gear/
Saw that one. If that's for real. I'll do that and get the dual SX box... problem solved,
 

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Quit lying to yourself. You'll have 5 of each maker before years end.:D
Hahahahah .... I hope not,don't wanna repeat that
 

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Think I may wait and see what that hcigar mod is gonna do first, but that is a definite option!!
Thanks!!!
 

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Gearbest slightly changed the price on Hcigar VT200, no longer $117, It's now at $9999.00..... lol
Bababahahahahananahanahahahahaan
Think I need a 3d printer
 

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Gearbest fuckin sucks. Steer clear.

EDIT:
To be fair if you're ok with getting the mod around Christmas they should be fine. LOL
 

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I saw that almost jumped all over it and left a sticky on it...
Never heard of the mod company though or billboard on the spine and never dealt with gearbest

What do you thinks?

"The lowest resistance: 0.1ohm"

Defeats a great feature of this chip.
 

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I kind of thought the same as KaBoomStick said but for $120 even if they don't deliver for a couple months I don't really care I'm in no hurry for it. So I went ahead with it. I've never bought from them before so this will be the determining factor if I ever deal with them again.
 

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Roger that.... I'm gonna stick in the holding pattern.... figure if its 120 now, ill play my cards for just a bit longer.

Not sure what is meant by

The lowest resistance: 0.1ohm"

Defeats a great feature of this chip

If its a dna200....how would they or who would change the lowest resistance requirements? wouldn't it have the same as any DNA200 board?
 

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I would think so. However there is a production utility available for mod makers that can program lots of things so I have no idea if this chip could be neutered or not. Could also be an example of yet another mod company flashing pics of some non existent yet to be released product w/ inaccurate specs. wink wink.

All I'm saying is if this is true your missing out on some nice warm TC vape @ .03ohms and 100+ watts. For me thats worth another $80 for a somewhat "legit" mod from a known manufacturer. But $120 is cheap as hell and worth the dice roll if you plan on having several mods to play with. Eye of the beholder I suppose.
 

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No if that's true and modders are messing with the chips like that I'm not gonna waste time looking at the evolv powered mods anymore
 

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No if that's true and modders are messing with the chips like that I'm not gonna waste time looking at the evolv powered mods anymore

I'm not saying its scripture lol. I'm just looking at it from all angles. I'm not sure what all is programmable from the utility. This whole thing could just be a mis-print on the site. HAHAHA.
 

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The listing indicates it is a authentic Evolv DNA 200 board.

VTBox200 is powered by authentic DNA 200 chip by EVOLV. DNA 200 is a power regulated DC-DC converter with digital switch-mode for personal vaporizers. It features Evolv' s patented wattage control, temperature Protection, preheat, OLED screen, and waterproof onboard buttons. The DNA 200 runs from 3 cell lithium polymer battery, and features cell-by-cell battery monitoring and integrated 1A balance charger. It is the most advanced personal vaporizer.

I suspect it's either a typo and just stated the "Typical" or they didn't spend the time to see what the actual min resistance is since the Data sheet says "See Graph". Based on Evolv's graph it looks like they can get 200w down to about .03Ω or slightly above that. I believe they also have something that does a soft fire even if the atty is below the min resistance.
 

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Well, ended up ordering the sx350j white cloud. in the meantime, ill be watching the hcigar and vapesige preorders and deciding which one in a few weeks or just get a cloudtech version. unless a dual 18650 mod comes out. I can live with only 130w
 

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