Losing my mind

[PuffPuffPass]

It appears there is a full out war going on within the research community now. Regarding the most recently published material showing that vaping "may" be dangerous.

In case you're not following it. A lot of PHD's are demanding a retraction of said article. Accusing the writer of outright deception and/or fraud, to obtain a research grant to further study a particle his own research did not find. Yet, the article eludes to it's presence in e liquids.

And the mainstream talking heads are repeating the paper.

Hopefully, the community (of research scientist) can force some action on this. And we see a more positive environment. I'll update as I see more being released.

 

[PuffPuffPass]

link to said article ??

Give me a bit & I'll dig it up. No promises for tonight. But I will post it.​

 

[PuffPuffPass]

link to said article ??

Here's the published article. There's also an FAQ link within the page. I'm still trying to find "how high" the voltage/wattage was. But I can't find, or may have overlooked it. Also, keep in mind. They were the only ones to receive a $3.5 million research grant. Based on these findings.

https://www.pdx.edu/news/psu-researchers-uncover-high-levels-hidden-formaldehyde-e-cigarette-vapor

 

[BigNasty]

Isnt that a rehash of that stupid fucking melt the cigalike cartos with no juice until it release formaldehyde?

 

[PuffPuffPass]

Isnt that a rehash of that stupid fucking melt the cigalike cartos with no juice until it release formaldehyde?

It may be a rehash. But the research paper doesn't actually state formaldehyde. It states formaldehyde hemiacetals.

And that's where the arguments are being made. Because the publications are saying formaldehyde.

 

[primusone]

It's normal for Big T to go after their best interests and since vaping is a fairly new industry, it's easy to provide disinformation. The general public is uneasy and wavering. If you're trying to quit smoking, chances are the report will substantiate why you'll be better off still smoking. Though once you've started vaping, the benefits will more than outweigh public and political opinion. For me, I've found that the best place to get more info on the current issues is to go to my local vape shops.


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[Count Vapula]

There's too many variables to do studies that are applicable to all vaping

You can test one specific thing. Nickel coils, common flavouring molecule, ranges of 'toxic' byproducts at specific temperatures, etc

Most skewed trials didn't mimic the 'typical use' of the device (wattage, duration, temp, wicking)


I've said before, the only way to test what your body is absorbing is to do a delta of what goes in, and what is blown out.

The difference between the two is what your body is actually absorbing. Also a delta of blood plasma levels, to see what makes it past the tissues.

Then run the ppm numbers.

All I give a shit about is what's staying in my body, not what I am blowing out.


And if you really worry, then DIY. I personally don't trust any business to not chose profits over selling quality goods. The markup is sickening too.

 

[Neunerball]

There's too many variables to do studies that are applicable to all vaping

You can test one specific thing. Nickel coils, common flavouring molecule, ranges of 'toxic' byproducts at specific temperatures, etc

Most skewed trials didn't mimic the 'typical use' of the device (wattage, duration, temp, wicking)


I've said before, the only way to test what your body is absorbing is to do a delta of what goes in, and what is blown out.

The difference between the two is what your body is actually absorbing. Also a delta of blood plasma levels, to see what makes it past the tissues.

Then run the ppm numbers.

All I give a shit about is what's staying in my body, not what I am blowing out.


And if you really worry, then DIY. I personally don't trust any business to not chose profits over selling quality goods. The markup is sickening too.

+1
Amen to DIY!

 

[Saddletramp1200]

I could pay a Wine O to write a paper on just about anything, tell him what to say & post it in a newspaper. My consensus on most of their opinions.

 

[ggvaper]

have they investigated the pollution in our cities and what the effect is on our health? what can they do about that?

 

[Saddletramp1200]

Only We care about Us. Gobment wants us to die.

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