Does anyone know what the joules lawsuit actually was?

[conanthewarrior]

Hi people. Hope you are doing OK.

I am using this forum, and the UK forum to meet people nearer me who vape, and they know the UK deals so it makes sense to me to post on both forums.

I made mention in a thread, someone was asking about joules to watts, and I replied from what I understand they just renamed them to avoid a lawsuit in the past.

A member commented how can that cause a lawsuit, using a international unit of measurement? And it did make me think, WHY was there a lawsuit over this issue?

I was wondering mainly as I want to ensure I am correct, and if I am not I can correct myself, as I do want to know what I am telling people is correct, I wouldn't want to explain something completely wrong. But I always gathered that due to the previous thing, 1 watt=1 joule in the vaping world.

I understand what a joule actually is, but from what I read it was not changed by the Chinese, or was it just P4U this occured with?

If anyone can help it would be helpful.

Thanks to you all.

 

[Jah]

this is completely new to me. As rfar as I know, it was a marketing/implementation decision, not a legal one to use Joules as the unit.

 

[conanthewarrior]

this is completely new to me. As rfar as I know, it was a marketing/implementation decision, not a legal one to use Joules as the unit.

Ahh, OK. I did read on here that it was due to a potential lawsuit, but I gather in China they would not really care lol?

Do you know if they just renamed watts to joules, or actually made the correct conversion?

 

[Jah]

There may have been something like that, Im just not aware of it so I cant speak to it. As far as Watts vs Joules, 1 Joule = 1 Watt/second. Not really apples to oranges, but not quite apples to apples either. They work about like 1:1 in practice though

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I think what your referring to is this. I've seen people ask why Yihi uses Joules instead of watts and I believe some have theorized that it was to avoid a possible lawsuit from Evolve (since they came out with TC first). I don't believe that was a fact, just people guessing the possible reasoning behind the use of joules. This is just me reading between the lines/theorizing myself.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[conanthewarrior]

I think what your referring to is this. I've seen people ask why Yihi uses Joules instead of watts and I believe some have theorized that it was to avoid a possible lawsuit from Evolve (since they came out with TC first). I don't believe that was a fact, just people guessing the possible reasoning behind the use of joules. This is just me reading between the lines/theorizing myself.

Cheers,
Steve

Thank you. I can give a answer over there now. And yeah it was what I was referring too.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

It started with one of the reviewers made the off handed comment that he thinks they use watts and call it joules. Like @Wingsfan0310 said as a way to avoid getting sued.
Pretty sure it was said as a joke.

 

[conanthewarrior]

It started with one of the reviewers made the off handed comment that he thinks they use watts and call it joules. Like @Wingsfan0310 said as a way to avoid getting sued.
Pretty sure it was said as a joke.

Ahh. I took it literally, I gather where I was not a member at the time they was coming out, I did not realise the joke lol. Feel a bit of a pleb, but at least I know now, and that there is not much difference.

What is confusing me though, is I thought joules just effected ramp up time? As say I set my SIG150TC to 190C, and 50 joules, it seems fairly cool, but if I ramp it up to 80 joules, it seems a lot hotter at the end of the pull?

I only set it to 50 as thats what I set my Sig 75 , IPV D2 too, and the Xcube you can't adjust just the temp.

Watching how the Xcube performed, I noticed when connected to my phone it would hit around 50 watts for a second, then drop to 10-15 or so watts, and the voltage would drop too, maintaining the temp.

The 150 is definitely in TC mode, and TC works fine, but the voltage does not seem to fluctuate as much as expected, at least not on screen. It has fluctuated by .2V but not from say 3.2 down to 1.8v for example.

So, Joules does just effect ramp up time yes? Am I best setting it higher, and letting it do its thing, or sticking to 50W? As I don't know what temp it is actually reaching apart from what I set it too, but I do not know if that is off. On my other devices, the exact same build at 190C is quite cool, whereas if I have it at 80+ joules, it is very warm.

I am using a 26 Gauge NI200 build at 0.09 ohms.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Ahh. I took it literally, I gather where I was not a member at the time they was coming out, I did not realise the joke lol. Feel a bit of a pleb, but at least I know now, and that there is not much difference.

What is confusing me though, is I thought joules just effected ramp up time? As say I set my SIG150TC to 190C, and 50 joules, it seems fairly cool, but if I ramp it up to 80 joules, it seems a lot hotter at the end of the pull?

I only set it to 50 as thats what I set my Sig 75 , IPV D2 too, and the Xcube you can't adjust just the temp.

Watching how the Xcube performed, I noticed when connected to my phone it would hit around 50 watts for a second, then drop to 10-15 or so watts, and the voltage would drop too, maintaining the temp.

The 150 is definitely in TC mode, and TC works fine, but the voltage does not seem to fluctuate as much as expected, at least not on screen. It has fluctuated by .2V but not from say 3.2 down to 1.8v for example.

So, Joules does just effect ramp up time yes? Am I best setting it higher, and letting it do its thing, or sticking to 50W? As I don't know what temp it is actually reaching apart from what I set it too, but I do not know if that is off. On my other devices, the exact same build at 190C is quite cool, whereas if I have it at 80+ joules, it is very warm.

I am using a 26 Gauge NI200 build at 0.09 ohms.

I don't have an xcube so I don't know what methodology they are using.
I don't have a sig either: But. With the sxmini(same chip manufacturers) you set joules as sort of the max power it'll use to get to temp. When it gets the set temp it pulses to maintain the temperature (something called pulse frequency modulation) Its a similar process to that used in some electric welding machines, and its arguably a more accurate technology than the way the dna40 does it. But its not as smooth as what im experiencing on thr dna200. I can't speak to accuracy yet.