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Poconorock

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I've tried every coil, Ni & Ti, Various builds, various mods, Different temps. I my opinion "the emperor is not wearing any clothes"

I just don't get the hype
 

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Hey could you tell me how soft Ti wire is compard to Kanthal....is it stiff like Kanthal or is it soft like NI wire.
 

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So what don't you get? What did you expect, and how does it fall short?
 

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Hey could you tell me how soft Ti wire is compard to Kanthal....is it stiff like Kanthal or is it soft like NI wire.
I find it a little stiffer (springy). But still not bad to work with
 

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Using unrestricted power will always give a bigger hit compared to restricted. But that's not the point of TC. I find I can still get all the warm vapor I want in TC. As far as kanthal flavor over Ti or SS, that's going to be pretty subjective. But both seem to be at the top of the list for flavor for many. It doesn't mean you don't like the flavor of kanthal better, it just matters for why and comparing apples to apples.
 

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I've tried every coil, Ni & Ti, Various builds, various mods, Different temps. I my opinion "the emperor is not wearing any clothes"

I just don't get the hype

My TC experience is better than yours, but I generally agree with your statement. The TC setup >I like< is the simple old Sub-Tank Mini with a .25 ohm vertical 3mm x 6.5 wrap 26g Ti coil. ~400-500 F and 30-40 joules (juice dependent). Really like it...
Still NOTHING tastes and vapes better >for me< than .6 ohm 26 ga SS (316L) coils in my Velocity RDA and the SMPL mech mod. Simple is "gooder" for me.
 
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how about ss wire is it stiff and springy like kanthal or soft like NI wire.

Sort of in between. Much easier to work than Ni but slightly more challenging the Kanthal.

Any Ni wire blows IMO. Ti, though tougher to work, is an excellent TC wire for me.

SS (316L) is all I use now for wattage modes...
 

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Sort of in between. Much easier to work than Ni but slightly more challenging the Kanthal.

Any Ni wire blows IMO. Ti, though tougher to work, is an excellent TC wire for me.

SS (316L) is all I use now for wattage modes...
how safe is ni wire though
 

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Used correctly it's very safe. Generally speaking our devices would have a difficult time generating the heat required to bring nickel to dangerous levels. I hate the stuff only because it's just to "prissy" to work.
 

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I've tried every coil, Ni & Ti, Various builds, various mods, Different temps. I my opinion "the emperor is not wearing any clothes"

I just don't get the hype
Welll... Speaking from a strictly theoretical perspective (strong background in electricity, electrical engineering and software design, and a touch of physics)...

Just was VW yielded an improvement over VV because the driver could dynamically adjust for coil changes in terms of power expended, TC can, theoretically, yield even more consistent results, because the goal is a consistent amount of energy applied to the wick in terms of heat (energy).

Whether designers and manufacturers successfully execute is another question. As is whether the difference between VW and TC is appreciable. It may not be.

Jim
 

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Used correctly it's very safe. Generally speaking our devices would have a difficult time generating the heat required to bring nickel to dangerous levels. I hate the stuff only because it's just to "prissy" to work.
The reason I ask is for about a year I vaped porous ceramic wicks....we would usually "hot" wrap our coils ...wrap the coil onto the wick under a flame...it made the wire lay down tight to the wick by softening the kanthal to follow the contour of the wick....I was wondering if NI wire or SS wire were soft enough to wrap around porous ceramic without being torched.
 

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The reason I ask is for about a year I vaped porous ceramic wicks....we would usually "hot" wrap our coils ...wrap the coil onto the wick under a flame...it made the wire lay down tight to the wick by softening the kanthal to follow the contour of the wick....I was wondering if NI wire or SS wire were soft enough to wrap around porous ceramic without being torched.

Very solidly above my pay grade :) Hopefully others may have an answer...
 

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Welll... Speaking from a strictly theoretical perspective (strong background in electricity, electrical engineering and software design, and a touch of physics)...

Just was VW yielded an improvement over VV because the driver could dynamically adjust for coil changes in terms of power expended, TC can, theoretically, yield even more consistent results, because the goal is a consistent amount of energy applied to the wick in terms of heat (energy).

Whether designers and manufacturers successfully execute is another question. As is whether the difference between VW and TC is appreciable. It may not be.

Jim
Yes, that is the goal, and a good one to me. Besides the obvious felt comfort of controlling temp, it is also useful in limiting damaging temps to juice, flavor, or equipment. Simply allowing the heating circuit to do what it can, TC is just another step to give the vape you want.

On the physics side.... The heating system is simple. Energy input in the form of watts is the driver. Taking any limitations of the wick out of the equation, 100w will change "X" quantity of liquid to gas at a given temp and pressure. All that matters is the boiling point of the liquid. In a closed system, all heat input would go to changing state, not temp. But we don't have a closed system.

Given all involved, the ideal would be to add as much heat to produce all the vapor you want at boiling temp. Boiling point alone is much to hot to breath, but not with all the air included. So a bit more heat to warm that for comfort. That would be ideal and TC gives the best opportunity to control that.
 

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I've been using TC since the first dna40 mod release.
I Liked the flavor I got off nickel but jt was a PAIN IN THE ASS to work with.
Hate hate hated TI-case closed.
Love SS, I even like SS better in non tc applications than kanthal.

Best part of TC for me is not the dry hit avoidance its the smooth consistent vape. The constant temp and production of vapor, just lends itself to be more enjoyable for me.

To the ceramic wick question, I use 24g and 26g ss both and it is a little firmer than kanthal. I'm only speculating here, but I don't think that would work. Its probably worth a shot though. Ni wire is really really soft and that would work for sure. It's softness and need for so many wraps is what I hated of it most.
 
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I don't know maybe ignorance is bliss. I have been vaping for about 5 months now and my first mod was a Sig 75. I bought 3 packs of Kanger OCC kanthal coils and after about 3 days I almost gave up on vaping. The taste varied extremely and was way to harsh. I went to a local Vape shop and the kid behind the counter showed me how to use TC and sold me some Kanger ni200 OCC coils. Once I dialed it in the Vape was smooth, tasty and best of all extremely consistent. I have not looked back since and now I only Vape in TC mode.
 

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I've tried every coil, Ni & Ti, Various builds, various mods, Different temps. I my opinion "the emperor is not wearing any clothes"

I just don't get the hype

Nothing to get, we'll just have to continue looking at the naked emperor for now. Some of the hype with TC is people can now crank up wattage well beyond what you did with Kanthal and take bigger longer hits. As for consistency, if you feel its more consistent, then it is for you. For me, if I put my atomizer on my device, and it vapes all day without having to check anything or fiddle with settings or connections, that's as consistent as I could ever need. Push a button, make tasty vapor, inhale and exhale it, job done. All the TC technology, regulation and/or vape science you can throw into something wouldn't change a thing.

I still enjoy to vape like I did with cigarettes, basically, a short MTL drag with nice exhale. Watching people vaping nowadays looks like they are either trying to siphon gasoline or taking a panic hit off an asthma inhaler. To each their own though.
 

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Crown tank with them Ni200 coils and a smooth consistent warm hit every time. It doesn't get any better than this for me. No fiddling with anything just put a finger over the sensor of the 3Li VR and Vape on baby.

And if you don't want TC just flip it over and run up to 200 watts. The best of both worlds.
 
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