New to using TC and running on a XCube II

[MidwestExpress]

Hey all, mainly run around in VW mode with everything. Now I have been getting into TC to see if there is enough of a difference for me to notice. I have it working just fine on my XCube II with my Crown tank. I have noticed that though I have the Xcube II set to 420 degrees F but when I fire, I watch the screen and I am only reaching a max of 370 degrees F. I pulled on it for 3-4 sec and it never went past the 370 degree F mark.

What am I missing here? Do I need to manually set the voltage or anything?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Model_A_Ford]

Is your temp control set to the appropriate coil with the correct coeffecient?

 

[MidwestExpress]

Yeah, I looked up the coefficient for the 430 SS and have all of that set. That is all good. I had to manually change the coefficient a bit. Thinking about it though, I am running into this issue on the Crown's coils. Running the .5 right now. Runs great in TC mode aside from my temp not getting up there. I will throw my Freakshow on that is setup with my double dual 430 SS coils and see if it climbs up to set temp.

I wonder what the coefficient is for Crown's coils. Not sure of the grade of SS they use in their coils. I should look that up.

 

[MrScaryZ]

ohh no not another Crown issue and TC this seems like a everyday event..
Is that a Nickle coil? and you do have the Xcube II set to NI or? a

 

[Cackalacky]

Hey all, mainly run around in VW mode with everything. Now I have been getting into TC to see if there is enough of a difference for me to notice

I would like to weigh in with what I think is some solid advice. Don't base your decision about whether or not TC is for you on your experience with the xcube. It's a crappy mod and I think the only reason I'm staying with TC is because before I got the cube I had the VTC from Joyetech. While the DNA 200 is (IMO) the cadillac of TC mods, I feel you would be far better suited for deciding if you like TC if you picked up a Joyetech VTC Mini. They're affordable, supports Ni200, Ti and SS wire, and performance is stellar in comparison to a SMOK product. If you did this you would be in a better position to know if dropping $160 on a really nice TC mod makes sense. Just my two pennies.

 

[MidwestExpress]

I am using the SS coils. Right now the .5 ohm, but have a slew of the .25 ohm. I found they use 316 grade SS in their pre-made coils. Gonna change up the coefficient and see what happens there.

Yeah, have made mistake after mistake so far since moving to mods... first was the Smok M80 Plus and then followed up with the XCube II. Should have known better... but I kept seeing how well they were doing and then they put them on a flash sale for $40 shipped a few months back.

Then of course today they have the Lavabox on sale for $135... ugh... I know this XCube II has been a PIA to get working in TC mode. Never knew if it was actually working correctly or just firing...

 

[Model_A_Ford]

You're using a stock coil and changed the coefficent to an incorrect value?

 

[MidwestExpress]

I had the coefficient still set for 430 SS which is what I use when I build coils. Just realized that when you mentioned it, so I set it to 316 SS now.

 

[MrScaryZ]

I had the coefficient still set for 430 SS which is what I use when I build coils. Just realized that when you mentioned it, so I set it to 316 SS now.

I imagine you know this but going from 430 to 316 is hit and miss the Xcube II does not work well with 316 it kinda works but 304 and 430 work way better..

 

[MidwestExpress]

Oh joy... damn Xcube II... well... that is what the premade Crown coils are made from. So I am stuck with that. I buy 430 SS for making my own coils.

If I replace my Xcube II what should I replace it with? That Lavabox or something else? Wasn't really looking to drop the loot on a DNA mod until next Spring.

 

[Cackalacky]

I know this XCube II has been a PIA to get working in TC mode. .

Many folks think they need to adjust the temperature coefficient of resistance on the xCube. This could be needed, but more than that is the fact the SMOK products absolutely suck at reading atty resistance. They are always off it seems. But if they were off by the same amount consistently then the coefficient workaround would be feasible. That's not the case for the most part. The xCube and Koopor mods will dance around with reading ohms which causes the mod to fire cold, hot, not at all or jump to wattage mode. You mention the Lavabox. I believe that would be the fast track to TC enjoyment if you can swing it.

I hate seeing people having problems with the cube. Especially if it's their first venture into TC. It can paint an awful picture of the technology.

 

[Cackalacky]

If I replace my Xcube II what should I replace it with? That Lavabox or something else? Wasn't really looking to drop the loot on a DNA mod until next Spring.

From cheapest to best - but good mods. My opinion:

Joyetech eVic VTC Mini (up to 75W, TC support for Ti, SS, Ni200) Sincle 18650. LOTS of bang for the size.
Joyetech eVic VTC 60w (up to 60w. TC support for Ti, Ni200) Internal battery pack.
Wismec Reuleaux RX200 (top choice for the money) Same as eVic in function, triple 18650. Killer low price mod!
DNA200 (HCigar, Efusion, Lavabox, etc, etc) LiPo pack.
Wisemec Reuleaux DNA 200. Triple 18650. Top Shelf

 

[MidwestExpress]

Many folks think they need to adjust the temperature coefficient of resistance on the xCube. This could be needed, but more than that is the fact the SMOK products absolutely suck at reading atty resistance. They are always off it seems. But if they were off by the same amount consistently then the coefficient workaround would be feasible. That's not the case for the most part. The xCube and Koopor mods will dance around with reading ohms which causes the mod to fire cold, hot, not at all or jump to wattage mode. You mention the Lavabox. I believe that would be the fast track to TC enjoyment if you can swing it.

I hate seeing people having problems with the cube. Especially if it's their first venture into TC. It can paint an awful picture of the technology.

That is no lie about resistance reading jumps! I don't have the issue with the Crown and the TFV4 so far with the stock coils. However, with my RDA's and RBA's I am having to unscrew the atty and fire the Xcube II to get it to see no atty and then screw it back on and have it reread the resistance. That has been the best fix I have found for that but it is really annoying to have to do often.

I did change the coefficient to see if it would do anything for the Crown prebuilt coil and in fact it made it fire all the way to temp and the flavor change was dramatic. So that did help out with these Crown coils. So that at least is a plus.

When it comes to the DNA mods... are they good for running RDA's in the 90-120 watt range or are they best fit for just TC builds?

 

[Model_A_Ford]

So now, with the stock settings on the stock coil, is it working correctly?


I'm stuck with version 1.092 and I use a Mac, so just Ni temp control for me. Works fine for me.

 

[Cackalacky]

When it comes to the DNA mods... are they good for running RDA's in the 90-120 watt range or are they best fit for just TC builds?

They are made for your vaping pleasure!!! Performance in wattage mode is tremendous. Temp control performance is second to none. I have yet to find a hole in the DNA200's performance.

What is so fantastic is if you can get a temperature coefficient you can set it up to run TC mode. So for example, say a company starts producing an alloyed non-resistance wire that is safe for vaping. They decide to call it vapatonium. If you can get the TCOR for it you can upload a CSV file to the mod and vape on. That's a little obscure I know, but I think what may be too often overlooked is how very adaptable the DNA chip really is. The board is such that it should keep up with new innovations for the foreseeable future.

 

[MidwestExpress]

So now, with the stock settings on the stock coil, is it working correctly?


I'm stuck with version 1.092 and I use a Mac, so just Ni temp control for me. Works fine for me.

No, the stock coefficient is .00100. For 316 SS the coefficient is .000092. So I manually changed it down to that and now it is working.

Originally it was set for my 430 SS I use and the coefficient for that is .000138.

 

[MidwestExpress]

They are made for your vaping pleasure!!! Performance in wattage mode is tremendous. Temp control performance is second to none. I have yet to find a hole in the DNA200's performance.

What is so fantastic is if you can get a temperature coefficient you can set it up to run TC mode. So for example, say a company starts producing an alloyed non-resistance wire that is safe for vaping. They decide to call it vapatonium. If you can get the TCOR for it you can upload a CSV file to the mod and vape on. That's a little obscure I know, but I think what may be too often overlooked is how very adaptable the DNA chip really is. The board is such that it should keep up with new innovations for the foreseeable future.

Mmmmmmmm.... forbidden Vapetonium...

I think I will do what I did with my Smok m80... buy the Lavabox and then find a buyer for the XCube II. I only gave $40 for it and it is a couple months old. I should be able to find a buyer without going into the red. I had a buddy that bought my M80 from me offered me $40 for it. I told him that he could prob get a new one for an extra $10. He said he wanted mine because I didn't have any of the problems people complained about with them. So going the Xcube II was a wash in price.

As for the DNA mods. I haven't seen any as low in price as that Lavabox deal that is out there now for $135 with free shipping.

 

[Cackalacky]

efun.top - Pre-Order? I don't know what that means unless they just haven't received their shipment. DNA200 Reuleaux $140 http://www.efun.top/wismec-reuleaux-dna200-tc-express-kit.html

Honestly if you're convinced you want a DNA 200, this is in my opinion the one to get. Here's why

1. Battery life is incredible. 1-1/2 days use on average using LG HE2
2. No down time. If you have a spare set of batteries you could take a weekend camping trip and not need a charger.
3. No NEED to have a spare set nor external charger. The on board charger utilizes balanced charging, meaning that it is reading individual batteries during charge cycles and will not over or undercharge a single cell. So you never even have to swap out if you charge at night.
4. There is no 4. It's all about the batteries. LiPo works fine and I don't knock anyone who uses one (myself included) but the Reuleaux just owns it.

I know it's a bit more money, but if you don't plan to buy another DNA mod any time soon, it's really a good investment. The only con may be that people with small hands tend to find it too bulky. At the same time plenty of people with small hands own and love them.

 

[MidwestExpress]

efun.top - Pre-Order? I don't know what that means unless they just haven't received their shipment. DNA200 Reuleaux $140 http://www.efun.top/wismec-reuleaux-dna200-tc-express-kit.html

Honestly if you're convinced you want a DNA 200, this is in my opinion the one to get. Here's why

1. Battery life is incredible. 1-1/2 days use on average using LG HE2
2. No down time. If you have a spare set of batteries you could take a weekend camping trip and not need a charger.
3. No NEED to have a spare set nor external charger. The on board charger utilizes balanced charging, meaning that it is reading individual batteries during charge cycles and will not over or undercharge a single cell. So you never even have to swap out if you charge at night.
4. There is no 4. It's all about the batteries. LiPo works fine and I don't knock anyone who uses one (myself included) but the Reuleaux just owns it.

I know it's a bit more money, but if you don't plan to buy another DNA mod any time soon, it's really a good investment. The only con may be that people with small hands tend to find it too bulky. At the same time plenty of people with small hands own and love them.

For that mod are the LG's better than the Sony 5's those are what I run nite in my x cube

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[MidwestExpress]

efun.top - Pre-Order? I don't know what that means unless they just haven't received their shipment. DNA200 Reuleaux $140 http://www.efun.top/wismec-reuleaux-dna200-tc-express-kit.html

Honestly if you're convinced you want a DNA 200, this is in my opinion the one to get. Here's why

1. Battery life is incredible. 1-1/2 days use on average using LG HE2
2. No down time. If you have a spare set of batteries you could take a weekend camping trip and not need a charger.
3. No NEED to have a spare set nor external charger. The on board charger utilizes balanced charging, meaning that it is reading individual batteries during charge cycles and will not over or undercharge a single cell. So you never even have to swap out if you charge at night.
4. There is no 4. It's all about the batteries. LiPo works fine and I don't knock anyone who uses one (myself included) but the Reuleaux just owns it.

I know it's a bit more money, but if you don't plan to buy another DNA mod any time soon, it's really a good investment. The only con may be that people with small hands tend to find it too bulky. At the same time plenty of people with small hands own and love them.

Add for pre order, I did that for my xcube I I from gearbest and didn't get it for 3 months.

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[Model_A_Ford]

No, the stock coefficient is .00100. For 316 SS the coefficient is .000092. So I manually changed it down to that and now it is working.

Originally it was set for my 430 SS I use and the coefficient for that is .000138.

Where can I go to read and learn about this?

Smok has .001? I look one place online and it says for 316 it's 10.1 X 10^-6, which is .0000101 and I read somewhere else someone says anywhere between .0008 to .001, and you're saying .000092

To my uneducated brain, not knowing exactly what those numbers mean, they seem wildly different.

 

[MidwestExpress]

Where can I go to read and learn about this?

Smok has .001? I look one place online and it says for 316 it's 10.1 X 10^-6, which is .0000101 and I read somewhere else someone says anywhere between .0008 to .001, and you're saying .000092

To my uneducated brain, not knowing exactly what those numbers mean, they seem wildly different.

This what I use for coefficients.

https://vapingg33k.com/tcr-value-of-ni200-t1-and-ss-stainless-steel-wire/

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[Model_A_Ford]

thanks


appears I can't connect to the server there though cos my computer is outdated or something

 

[MidwestExpress]

Screen shot for ya then!

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[MidwestExpress]

This what I use for coefficients.

https://vapingg33k.com/tcr-value-of-ni200-t1-and-ss-stainless-steel-wire/

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Haha, just realized I had too many zeros in my post! Might have led to the confusion! Teach me to take off my glasses when typing... stupid sinus infection. ..

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[Deucesjack]

X Cube II is really not the best mod to judge TC on. There are a ton of mods that do a way better job with TC for less money. IMO

 

[MidwestExpress]

X Cube II is really not the best mod to judge TC on. There are a ton of mods that do a way better job with TC for less money. IMO

I wish I had another device to test run for an evening or a day so I can see just how different tc is on a better tc device.

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[MidwestExpress]

X Cube II is really not the best mod to judge TC on. There are a ton of mods that do a way better job with TC for less money. IMO

Hard to figure out other tc devices of the different wattages because some ate so low

I wish I had another device to test run for an evening or a day so I can see just how different tc is on a better tc device.

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[MidwestExpress]

Thinking about picking up a Reuleaux RX200 (Being on sale for $41). Save me some loot right now with it being Christmas. What is the difference in the chip between the RX and DNA? I know the DNA is supposed to be the Holy Grail, but how does the RX stand up next to the other chips? Why is this a good mod over the Joytech?

I just don't want to run into yet another mod like I have been with the Smok products.

 

[Deucesjack]

If you're not into tinkering around with escribe and doing crazy ass builds the RX will do just fine. It does Ni, Ti, and SS out of the box and it's upgradeable. I have both and I love them both.

 

[MidwestExpress]

If you're not into tinkering around with escribe and doing crazy ass builds the RX will do just fine. It does Ni, Ti, and SS out of the box and it's upgradeable. I have both and I love them both.

I am a huge tinkerer. I mess with everything I can. My build don't get too crazy... Yet. I do build with ss so that is what I'm looking for when it comes to tc.

What batteries would be best for the rx200? I have a pair of Samsung 25 and a set of Sony VTC5's now. So should i just add to my collection of batteries or get a different kind?

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[Deucesjack]

Use 3 brand new brand name authentic batteries. I use the Lg brownies. Honestly if your into that kind of stuff just get the DNA version, its awesome.

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[MidwestExpress]

Use 3 brand new brand name authentic batteries. I use the Lg brownies. Honestly if your into that kind of stuff just get the DNA version, its awesome.

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I'm trying to keep myself from dropping the extra $100 on the DNA mod right now... Ha-ha

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[Deucesjack]

But if that's what you're into then its well worth it.

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[MidwestExpress]

Well now they are both sold out at the lower prices I can find. haha of course!

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm hearing the RX200 has issues with SS working properly in TC. Not sure about that because I don't own one. If the board is the same as the eVic VTC Mini (temp control programming) then it should be fine. Of course I only do RBAs so can't comment one way or the other regarding stock coils. I do know there are folks with the Crown who have had problems in the RX200. May be worth researching before you buy if you're a SS fan.

 

[MidwestExpress]

Yeah, I have been an SS fanboy lately. I have never tried Ni or Ti though... so really not in the know. I have a Ni coil that came with the Crown that I was thinking about trying next just to see how it goes. I have a spool of the 430 SS that I bought a while back that use for the builds in my RBA's and RDA's.

 

[Cackalacky]

SS is great in wattage mode. I find it's decent in TC but the resistance change with temperature is quite narrow and I suspect a lot of the TC mods with SS support are simply not programmed correctly. On the xCube forget about it. You spend more time putting back into TC mode because it jumped into power mode than you do vaping. My DNA200 does good with it, but Titanium is just soooooo nice I just prefer it 1000 to 1 over stainless. I also think Nickel is junk, so those who think it's awesome - feel free to consider me a nincompoop.

 

[MidwestExpress]

I did find the hcigar dna200 for sale for $119 shipped... What is the story on that one? Not very good looking in the pics...

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[MidwestExpress]

SS is great in wattage mode. I find it's decent in TC but the resistance change with temperature is quite narrow and I suspect a lot of the TC mods with SS support are simply not programmed correctly. On the xCube forget about it. You spend more time putting back into TC mode because it jumped into power mode than you do vaping. My DNA200 does good with it, but Titanium is just soooooo nice I just prefer it 1000 to 1 over stainless. I also think Nickel is junk, so those who think it's awesome - feel free to consider me a nincompoop.

Where are you getting titanium from?

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[CurlyxCracker]

I would like to weigh in with what I think is some solid advice. Don't base your decision about whether or not TC is for you on your experience with the xcube. It's a crappy mod and I think the only reason I'm staying with TC is because before I got the cube I had the VTC from Joyetech. While the DNA 200 is (IMO) the cadillac of TC mods, I feel you would be far better suited for deciding if you like TC if you picked up a Joyetech VTC Mini. They're affordable, supports Ni200, Ti and SS wire, and performance is stellar in comparison to a SMOK product. If you did this you would be in a better position to know if dropping $160 on a really nice TC mod makes sense. Just my two pennies.

Going to disagree with you here. While I do love my VTC mini, I wouldn't say the xcube is a crappy mod. The VTC you're stuck with the coefficient for the type of SS wire they decided to use (I've read 304). Where with the xcube you can adjust your TCR for your preferred wire. I've been using TC with the Xcube for quite a while now and while there's a learning curve, it does tc nicely.

 

[Deucesjack]

I did find the hcigar dna200 for sale for $119 shipped... What is the story on that one? Not very good looking in the pics...

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It's a nice mod but the battery life sucks. Haven't touched it since I got my Reuleaux.

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[CurlyxCracker]

Many folks think they need to adjust the temperature coefficient of resistance on the xCube. This could be needed, but more than that is the fact the SMOK products absolutely suck at reading atty resistance. They are always off it seems. But if they were off by the same amount consistently then the coefficient workaround would be feasible. That's not the case for the most part. The xCube and Koopor mods will dance around with reading ohms which causes the mod to fire cold, hot, not at all or jump to wattage mode. You mention the Lavabox. I believe that would be the fast track to TC enjoyment if you can swing it.

I hate seeing people having problems with the cube. Especially if it's their first venture into TC. It can paint an awful picture of the technology.

This I'll agree with, sometimes, it's an ohm reading error that tc isn't working correctly. This is why there's an initial ohm setting...

 

[CurlyxCracker]

I did find the hcigar dna200 for sale for $119 shipped... What is the story on that one? Not very good looking in the pics...

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Lots of issues with lipos being drained into damaged levels before you ever have it in hand.
Right now, Im only looking for replaceable 18650 DNA200 mods. Honestly, I'd spend the extra $20 and avoid the lipos, just my opinion

 

[Deucesjack]

Lots of issues with lipos being drained into damaged levels before you ever have it in hand.
Right now, Im only looking for replaceable 18650 DNA200 mods. Honestly, I'd spend the extra $20 and avoid the lipos, just my opinion

Yep, I would never buy another lipo mod unless the battery life and charging time improve drastically.

 

[MidwestExpress]

I plan on just waiting to see when the Reuleaux is in stock again and grab that up probably. See what happens over the next couple of weeks with sales and product levels.

 

[Deucesjack]

I plan on just waiting to see when the Reuleaux is in stock again and grab that up probably. See what happens over the next couple of weeks with sales and product levels.

If you're looking for battery life nothing else compares to these bad boys.

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[CurlyxCracker]

I plan on just waiting to see when the Reuleaux is in stock again and grab that up probably. See what happens over the next couple of weeks with sales and product levels.

That's probably the cheapest tri 18650 DNA200 mod to date. And probably what I'll get. I just think the two DNA200 mods I know of with 3 18650s are ugly! Not a fan of how they are stacked I think... But never held one, may be comfortable. And a dual 18650 DNA200 (133w) is shorting the chip of full potential imo.

 

[Cackalacky]

Going to disagree with you here. While I do love my VTC mini, I wouldn't say the xcube is a crappy mod. The VTC you're stuck with the coefficient for the type of SS wire they decided to use (I've read 304). Where with the xcube you can adjust your TCR for your preferred wire. I've been using TC with the Xcube for quite a while now and while there's a learning curve, it does tc nicely.

That's the lovely thing about life...diversity! I'm happy that you're satisfied with the cube. I don't have data to go by, but if I had to venture a guess I would say you represent the maybe 5% of people with the xcube who finds it to be a quality TC mod, especially when using SS. I've used 316 and 317 on the VTC - hands down better TC function than the cube. And the DNA 200 just looks at the cube and laughs.

 

[MidwestExpress]

If you're looking for battery life nothing else compares to these bad boys.

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Is that the Reuleaux's?