Rda build

[Sammo]

Hi peeps
I am After a bit of advice , I treated myself to a new fuchai 200 w and royal hunter RDA recently and am really happy with it , so yesterday built my first ever dual coil and was quite pleased with how it turned out for my first one , I used 26 guage kanthal and Japanese cotton . I'm running my mod at 50 watts and got the holes wide open on the RDA . And my build is .45 ohms. My question is even though I'm happy with the end result I'm not getting a particular big cloud off of it , and I am all about the big clouds , I have a 80 /20 juice on the go so know the potential is there but just not hitting the big clouds . Up until buying my RDA I have been using an uwell crown with a .25 and it chucks some pretty big clouds which is what I am trying to achieve , I know it's gonna be down to my build and was hoping someone out there with a bit more experience might be able to put me on the right track .
Many thanks
Sam

 

[ej1024]

Dude royal hunter RDA is not a competition RDA..
26 g won't give u those massive cloudzzz..
50 watts not enough
.45 is light weight...
And there's techniques in blowing massive clouds.....
Buy the DOG 3 competition RDA
Build low as tolerated 24,22,20 wires NICHROME ETCCCC...
Make sure ur batts are capable...
Parallel builds dude.......



Vape On

 

[Sammo]

Dude royal hunter RDA is not a competition RDA..
26 g won't give u those massive cloudzzz..
50 watts not enough
.45 is light weight...
And there's techniques in blowing massive clouds.....
Buy the DOG 3 competition RDA
Build low as tolerated 24,22,20 wires NICHROME ETCCCC...
Make sure ur batts are capable...
Parallel builds dude.......



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Hi mate
Yeah I kind of figured it would be something to do with the rda and wire guage etc , it's such a mind field when being fairly new to it all . I'm not clued up enough for comp kit at the moment and just kind of learning as I go .I'm using Samsung batts so know I can push them harder than I am already,I just need to pep up on the wire guages etc I think .
Thanks for the heads up man

 

[OBDave]

Hi @Sammo, and welcome to the Underground! I'm gonna move this on over to the coils sub, where you'll get some more views...

Personally, I think you should be able to do fine with that Royal Hunter and 26g Kanthal, though you'd probably do better with some 24 and something a little airier if you're looking for clouds. And I'd switch right away from an 80/20 liquid to something 20/80 or even higher in VG - I'm usually running around 15/85 or even 10/90 and getting very little flavor loss.

The 0.45 resistance isn't a problem, but the 50 watts probably is - try turning the watts up a few at a time and see if your cloud production increases. Make sure you've got your air wide open, the vape will get warmer and may even get too hot, necessitating some thicker wire down the line. I'm running flavor builds in the 60-70 watt range, and real cloud nuts will go considerably higher in power than I ever do...

 

[ej1024]

Hi mate
Yeah I kind of figured it would be something to do with the rda and wire guage etc , it's such a mind field when being fairly new to it all . I'm not clued up enough for comp kit at the moment and just kind of learning as I go .I'm using Samsung batts so know I can push them harder than I am already,I just need to pep up on the wire guages etc I think .
Thanks for the heads up man

Np bro, keep watching YT vids, you gonna learn more by seeing than reading, at one point I was VAPING .08 20 g khantal 4/5 wraps on a 2.5 OD... Freaking clouds and HOT, the mutation v3 is another chucker if u can find one, it's a balance of flavor and vapor...
Keep us posted, there's a lot of VAPERS here that expert on CHUCKING
BE SAFE...


Vape On

 

[raymo2u]

Its also your inhale/exhale capabilities and technique, if you cant pull enough in and release it steady then it wont look as big either way. If your going for clouds then I suggest you start working on your inhale and exhale, pulling fast and hard may not be your best method and its different for every setup. Airflow, Builds, Technique is what matters for cloud size, distance, and density.

Try some Dual 24g 5 Wrap/3mm ID Parallels and start around 70w, after that try to find the best method of inhaling as much as you can but not pulling so hard the vapor is thinned out by the extra air, you need to find the perfect line of vapor/airflow inhale and then exhaling straight out and not all at once.

 

[Sammo]

Hi obdave
Thank you for the reply , it's great to know there is advice out there when starting out , I am gonna give putting the wattage up a go and see how that works out , might pop down the shop and get another juice in the morning too with a higher vg
Many thanks
Sam

 

[Sammo]

Its also your inhale/exhale capabilities and technique, if you cant pull enough in and release it steady then it wont look as big either way. If your going for clouds then I suggest you start working on your inhale and exhale, pulling fast and hard may not be your best method and its different for every setup. Airflow, Builds, Technique is what matters for cloud size, distance, and density.

Try some Dual 24g 5 Wrap/3mm ID Parallels and start around 70w, after that try to find the best method of inhaling as much as you can but not pulling so hard the vapor is thinned out by the extra air, you need to find the perfect line of vapor/airflow inhale and then exhaling straight out and not all at once.

Thanks for the advice mate I will give that a try and see where it takes me .I am definitely running the wattage to low by the sounds of it

 

[Sammo]

Np bro, keep watching YT vids, you gonna learn more by seeing than reading, at one point I was VAPING .08 20 g khantal 4/5 wraps on a 2.5 OD... Freaking clouds and HOT, the mutation v3 is another chucker if u can find one, it's a balance of flavor and vapor...
Keep us posted, there's a lot of VAPERS here that expert on CHUCKING
BE SAFE...


Vape On

Cheers for the heads up man
Happy vaping

 

[raymo2u]

Thanks for the advice mate I will give that a try and see where it takes me .I am definitely running the wattage to low by the sounds of it

Dont worry about wattage for now, start where your comfortable and then grow into it. Its easy to build up to it then jumping into a frying pan blazing

 

[Sammo]

Dont worry about wattage for now, start where your comfortable and then grow into it. Its easy to build up to it then jumping into a frying pan blazing

Yeah tbh I'm all about the safety side of it, wanna blow the big clouds without blowing my batts or myself up in the process ,glad I have come across this forum there some really good advice on here mate

 

[OBDave]

Hi obdave
Thank you for the reply , it's great to know there is advice out there when starting out , I am gonna give putting the wattage up a go and see how that works out , might pop down the shop and get another juice in the morning too with a higher vg
Many thanks
Sam

Glad to help - and with the liquid I'm kind of ribbing you - P comes before V in every Roman alphabet I'm aware of and for years liquid blends were expressed as PG/VG, but lately it seems some people do it the normal way, others go VG/PG - makes it confusing and it's a silly pet peeve of mine. What you want is a VG-heavy juice...

 

[raymo2u]

Glad to help - and with the liquid I'm kind of ribbing you - P comes before V in every Roman alphabet I'm aware of and for years liquid blends were expressed as PG/VG, but lately it seems some people do it the normal way, others go VG/PG - makes it confusing and it's a silly pet peeve of mine. What you want is a VG-heavy juice...

I think they changed the PG/VG things around to make it easier for the mindless to see the VG blend faster...

 

[Sammo]

Glad to help - and with the liquid I'm kind of ribbing you - P comes before V in every Roman alphabet I'm aware of and for years liquid blends were expressed as PG/VG, but lately it seems some people do it the normal way, others go VG/PG - makes it confusing and it's a silly pet peeve of mine. What you want is a VG-heavy juice...

You know what I did clock it when you mentioned it lol , I checked my bottle and it was written opposite to how I put it so clocked what ya was saying , another little thing I have picked up tonight which is what I am enjoying about vaping ,there is so much to learn about it all its a constant learning curve . The vg I'm using is 80 ,I did play around with the wattage a bit like you said , it gave a bit more cloud but not massively so think I might have another go at making a new coil tomorrow, I enjoy doing it so will be fun to experiment with it a bit. Fingers crossed I will get in nailed after a few goes mate

 

[OBDave]

Sounds good @Sammo - I build coils to last me for a month, re-wicking every week or so, but other people build them and rip them out the next day to try something different...if you've got a drill you might try twisting two strands of 26 to get a thicker-gauge wire and also create ripples in the wire to catch liquid, making for a denser, tastier vape. If you see yourself becoming a build tinkerer that's one of the easiest ways to get started aside from wrapping parallel - I'm more of a liquid guy and my end of the "hobbyist" part of vaping is in playing with different flavor combos. The great thing is that there's a niche for everyone - just make sure to build safe, don't skimp on your batteries and charger, and enjoy the journey!

 

[Boattlebot]

So far my best cloud build was 2 strands twisted 28 twisted with 22 6 wraps 3mm id dual at 200w. I had it in my anomaly. (Its a clone of i dont rember what the airflow was insanity off that thing). I dont know if its been said but claptons can throw a good cloud with a good flavor.

 

[Sammo]

So far my best cloud build was 2 strands twisted 28 twisted with 22 6 wraps 3mm id dual at 200w. I had it in my anomaly. (Its a clone of i dont rember what the airflow was insanity off that thing). I dont know if its been said but claptons can throw a good cloud with a good flavor.

I reckon that's a bit out of my league at the moment mate lol . But once I have had a go at a few builds I might give that a try

 

[Boattlebot]

Just do what i did to learn. Get a crap ton of wire and go to town. Sure your gunna waste alot of wire but your get it down. Twisting wire is easy tho if you have a drill. Claptons take a little time to learn tho.

 

[Sammo]

Just do what i did to learn. Get a crap ton of wire and go to town. Sure your gunna waste alot of wire but your get it down. Twisting wire is easy tho if you have a drill. Claptons take a little time to learn tho.

For sure . I guess the more you do it the better you will get , I've bought some 26 guage kanthal today ,I am gonna give a dual parallel build a go later and see how I get on

 

[Boattlebot]

Ive been building less then 2 months

 

[Sammo]

Ive been building less then 2 months View attachment 39981 View attachment 39982 View attachment 39983

Dude that's impressive , looks well tidy , might have to give a clapton a try in the future

 

[Boattlebot]

Clapton aren't hard once you figure them out. I'd recommend starting with a 26 core and a 30 wrap. That's the first Clapton I made. Now I rarely do normal claptons. I use more fused Clapton and fused Clapton variants then anything. But im starting to play around with staple coils. A really good flavor build that chucked a good cloud was a fused clapton build. 24kx2 32 wrap wrapped loose in flat.

 

[Sammo]

Ah I've not heard of a staple coil, have YT that later and check one out

 

[raymo2u]

Ah I've not heard of a staple coil, have YT that later and check one out

A Staple Wire/Coil is a Wire composed of a Ribbon Core and Wrapped like a Clapton. A Framed Staple is a Staple with Solid Wire boxing the Ribbon Wire in.

Staple:
5 x .5 Ribbon Core Wrapped in 38K-D


Framed Staple:
4 x .5 Ribbon, 26K Frames, Wrapped in 40N60


4 x .3 Ribbon, 26K Frames, Wrapped in 40N60

 

[Sammo]

A Staple Wire/Coil is a Wire composed of a Ribbon Core and Wrapped like a Clapton. A Framed Staple is a Staple with Solid Wire boxing the Ribbon Wire in.

Staple:
5 x .5 Ribbon Core Wrapped in 38K-D
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Framed Staple:
4 x .5 Ribbon, 26K Frames, Wrapped in 40N60
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4 x .3 Ribbon, 26K Frames, Wrapped in 40N60
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Mate these are insane I gotta have a go at making one of these bad boys .looks tricky though. What resistance are they running at?

 

[raymo2u]

Mate these are insane I gotta have a go at making one of these bad boys .looks tricky though. What resistance are they running at?

They can get very low depending on how many ribbon cores and what frames and so on. Normally a Dual Coil, 6 Wraps/3mm ID will be around .08-.1 Ohms. They arent for everyone and you gotta be sure your using some decent batteries and at least a Regulated or Parallel Box for them.

If you want to see more of my builds and wire creations then click this LINK and hopefully it can give your some ideas to play with.

 

[Sammo]

They can get very low depending on how many ribbon cores and what frames and so on. Normally a Dual Coil, 6 Wraps/3mm ID will be around .08-.1 Ohms. They arent for everyone and you gotta be sure your using some decent batteries and at least a Regulated or Parallel Box for them.

If you want to see more of my builds and wire creations then click this LINK and hopefully it can give your some ideas to play with.

Thanks for the advice mate I will take a look on the link and check them out