the great mistake called "GS tank"

[JBrentonK]

Now my thread title could be wrong. I don't know. But I'll give my honest opinion. I've been vaping this thing on my new E Leaf Istick 40w TC for about 3 days now. For about 2 days I was jumping up and down and all happy and excited like, because it was the best MTL tank I have ever used, I liked it even better than my eGo one. But a bit yesterday and today I was very disappointed. Today I am just entirely frustrated. It produces on occasion, some of the smallest puff clouds you'll probably EVER see. And it does it for like an hour straight. So small you don't even feel like your smoking.

Someone said that you can't really get it to go out of "temperature protection" or they couldn't. She was right, you can't. It's a 0.15 nickle coil, so you'd think it's sub ohm. But it has a little itsey tiny little airflow hole for air to pass through, like something else. You'd think that's why it goes in temp control, but you'd also think it'd make more smoke than just what looks like a little bit of grains of sand sprinkled on the air.

Has anybody else experienced this problem? What did you do to solve it other than to throw the tank away, and feel like crying insanely?

 

[Huckleberried]

Why not just use the regular coils (not the Ni coils) in Power mode instead? I have 3 of these tanks and love them. Completely adjustable air flow, produces good vapor and excellent flavor.

Hopefully someone that uses TC will be of more help to you.

@AmandaD, @5150sick, @Zamazam, @Shark Vape

 

[Whiskey]

Someone said that you can't really get it to go out of "temperature control" or they couldn't. She was right, you can't. It's a 0.15 nickle coil, so you'd think it's sub ohm. But it has a little itsey tiny little airflow hole for air to pass through, like something else. You'd think that's why it goes in temp control, but you'd also think it'd make more smoke than just what looks like a little bit of grains of sand sprinkled on the air.

Has anybody else experienced this problem? What did you do to solve it other than to throw the tank away, and feel like crying insanely?

Are you talking about the coil???
Lots missing here, like what type of juice ratio are you using, have you tried a different coil with it, what wattage are you running through it and have you tried it outside the TC mode.

 

[JBrentonK]

Are you talking about the coil???
Lots missing here, like what type of juice ratio are you using, have you tried a different coil with it, what wattage are you running through it and have you tried it outside the TC mode.

Ok so because the GS Air coils that come with it are 0.15, I bought a 5 pack from the drop down menu, in Vapor Dna which is where I bought the tank. I believe the tank is only called the GS-tank though. Still, I'm guessing the only coils that it uses are the ones it came with, the "GS air" (TC?) coils. Because of it's low resistance, I presumed it would easily handle a high VG juice. It could be the problem that I do not have the ability to use higher VG juices with this one though, which btw is really really weird.... I'm using high VG though, 65%-80% (ammount of VG). Also I didn't know they had different coils for it.... I'll definitely be checking those out if I can find them though. The TC mode is the only thing that even seems to work at all with the GS tank. The only reason I'm not using it, well there really are two, but first I thought you weren't supposed to use ni200 coils in normal wattage mode. Second, whenever I used it in regular wattage mode, it sounded way different and plus it had a way different feel to it like something was mad wrong. It even seemed to taste very weird too. And it was very rough. But in regular wattage mode it produces really great size clouds, and no complaining about those clouds at all. On the Istick 40, there is only a preset 40 watts in all TC operations.

Also your second part:

They (read: all) Ni200 coils must have their resistance set when cold.
If you try to set or reset the resistance when warm, you'll get the wrong resistance and a weak vape..

I'm not too sure you can set resistance, but maybe something I haven't tried is to lock the resistance. You CAN do that, IDK if it helps or not though. But I didn't try it after I experienced these problems. Will do thanks. And what do you mean by set or reset resistance?

 

[JBrentonK]

Try what thread for answers?

BTW, my main question when starting this thread, I was gonna post this but now I can, is, well a lot of things. So I will only say this: Has anybody else experienced this problem?

 

[JBrentonK]

Why not just use the regular coils (not the Ni coils) in Power mode instead? I have 3 of these tanks and love them. Completely adjustable air flow, produces good vapor and excellent flavor.
Hopefully someone that uses TC will be of more help to you.
@AmandaD, @5150sick, @Zamazam, @Shark Vape

Can you please PLEASE tell me about these coils? I'm going to go looking for them now, but the ones I'm using are the GS Air TC coils. I'm not aware of any other GS-tank (specifically "gs-tank", not gs air) coils. Thanks!

 

[JBrentonK]

And finally, sometimes the res drops below 0.15, like 0.14, and the lowest res you can fire it is 0.15. So you cannot use the GS TC coils in reg wattage mode for the most part.

 

[JBrentonK]

Yes I was talking about the coil.

Huckleberried:

What's your favoriate setup on the GS tank? Like I said, I use it on the Istick 40w

 

[Huckleberried]

Can you please PLEASE tell me about these coils? I'm going to go looking for them now, but the ones I'm using are the GS Air TC coils. I'm not aware of any other GS-tank (specifically "gs-tank", not gs air) coils. Thanks!

This tank, the GS, uses the GS Air coils, there aren't GS only coils. I got my coils from Discount Vapers, but I think that Sweet Vapes also sells them, both reliable vendors and fast shipping. Mine are 1.5 ohms.

It's true. You shouldn't use the Ni coils in Power mode. I've also heard that your tank and your mod need to both be at room temp to properly set TC mode. I honestly don't know about it. @f1r3b1rd might.

 

[Huckleberried]

What's your favoriate setup on the GS tank? Like I said, I use it on the Istick 40w

I use mine with an iStick 30w, an iPV mini and an eVic VTC mini, a Koopor mini, CoV Minivolt. I use it with any mod I have, really.

 

[JBrentonK]

Well really the main problem is that it continues to say "temperature protection" whenEVER you fire it and remember this is the coil that came with the tank. What am I supposed to think?.... I'm still guessing to think "this tank is not meant to be used with this coils." Which btw is very much more on line with this thread topic.

 

[JBrentonK]

Shark vape plz read my previous post, btw you are entirely incorrect, and I know a great deal more than you are presuming. Grow up.

 

[Huckleberried]

Maybe swim around some of the TC threads or google iStick TC 40w to be sure of what all the functions on your screen mean, exactly.

 

[Huckleberried]

I'm still guessing to think "this tank is not meant to be used with this coils."

The tank is advertised for TC use and comes with coils for TC use. The tank is fine. I'm leaning toward the mod or the TC aspect of the mod.

 

[JBrentonK]

No no no huckleberried that's not the problem at all, I understand everything I need to btw. The problem is the thing is SUPPOSED TO SAY "Temperature protection" (an "error message" common to TC devices) when you're using this coil, as far as I've heard it's also a similar "great mistake" with other users of this tank! Plz re read this thread you

 

[Whiskey]

Ok my set up for under 20w for this tank are anyone of these mods, I vape at about 14.5 w's using these coils with the GS tank (NON-TC)

https://www.fasttech.com/p/2095900
I get big beauteeeeful clouds)

 

[JBrentonK]

I just tried it at 600*F! LOL. But you won't believe this!: It is now producing actual vapor! This is no "technical error" as I've previously said though, it's simply a problem with this pos tank!

 

[JBrentonK]

Whisky I get that, but why this tank? And I see there are "only" 1.5 coils, heck I have kanger 1.5 coils that will probably be the same as these, I just don't get this issue (the temp protected sand grain cloud stuff!)!!!!

 

[Huckleberried]

OK

 

[Whiskey]

To each his own Guess all I can say here is to go look at other tanks then, I have three of these and vape on them almost exclusively, Good luck

 

[JBrentonK]

Btw huckleberried, I believe the problem was I was using it at 430 *F, it's now at 580*F and I'm getting an awesome vape! I only question is this: is that the problem? Btw, too I will tell you, if I get dry hits (if you're interested). !!

 

[Whiskey]

Thread moved to correct area

 

[JBrentonK]

Vapes the best I've vaped wiskey, and I believe "the problem has been solved"

Seeya

 

[Whiskey]

Good to hear!!! Take care!

 

[Huckleberried]

 

[Whiskey]

580 degrees is ridiculous. You don't know what you're doing.

Putcher little Bieber-tude away and listen.

Pictures or it didn't happen

 

[f1r3b1rd]

think I'm caught up.. glad you got it working
for any new vapors that read this DO NOT USE NICKEL (NI200) IN POWER MODE
So, tc with the Istick can be trickier than most tc mods. first things first- BOTH ATOMIZER AND MOD NEED TO BE AT ROOM TEMP TO START.
In other words Don't prime the tank by firing it. You see, resistance (ohms) will go up and down with ni200 as the temperature rises and lowers. if its dropping that means its settling.
put the ROOM TEMP tank onto the ROOM TEMP mod. Pair them and set your temp (before firing). usually I vape my tc mods in the 430-470 degrees range depending on build. your needs may vary
it takes a little patience to get used to the in and outs of tc; but, for some of us its worth it. The worst part is the waiting, patience being the virtue that it is, will make it worth it.

edit: truthfully if you're knew, I would stay clear of using tc until you get a handle on what you like. get a mod that can do it, but stick with power mode for a while. There is so much to vaping that takes a little getting used to that there is no sense in adding to it. Lets focus on getting you off the cigs and figuring out how you like to vape first. -only suggesting

 

[f1r3b1rd]

580 degrees is ridiculous. You don't know what you're doing.

Putcher little Bieber-tude away and listen.

^^^post of the week

 

[Whiskey]

think I'm caught up.. glad you got it working
for any new vapors that read this DO NOT USE NICKEL (NI200) IN POWER MODE
. so tc with the Istick can be trickier than most tc mods. first things first- BOTH ATOMIZER AND MOD NEED TO BE AT ROOM TEMP TO START.
In other words Don't prime the tank by firing it. If you see resistance (ohms) will go up and down with ni200 as the temperature rises and lowers. if its dropping that means its settling.
put the ROOM TEMP tank onto the ROOM TEMP mod. Pair them and set your temp. usually I vape my tc mods in the 430-470 degrees depending on build. your needs may vary
it takes a little patience to get used to the in and outs of tc but for some of us its worth it. The worst part is the waiting, patience being the virtue that it is, will make it worth it.

Thanks Bird, nice to have an experts post in here for the new vaper's coming along

 

[Whiskey]

To the OP, you need to start earlier. You're jumping into temp control which is the deep end. Start with the regular (non TC, Kanthal) coils like Huck says. You will notice they don't change resistance.

The NI 200, .15 ohm coils are designed to change resistance.
That is the NI 200 material has a known coefficient of resistance change as temperature rises. When you put your mod in NI 200 mode, that engages an algorithm the compensates for the resistance change inherent in that type of wire.

What that means is that you should go back to the regular coils and use them while you're learning about temperature control coil wire materials.

Indeed, props to you too Shark

 

[5150sick]

OP where are you from? The reason I ask is because we say that something is "mad" wrong in Baltimore where I'm from. I moved down to Florida and said something like "damn that watch is mad expensive" and people looked at me like I had three heads.

 

[Valkyrie]

i wasnt impressed with the ni200 coil heads when i used them either, and i emphatically stated that in the next gen shorty tanks thread...
the tank itself is a well made, well thought out design...
the ni200 coils have half the holes for eliquid to get to the wicking, which leads to premature temp limiting (IMO)...these coils take a bunch of trial and error to get to work properly...wattage ramp up, pg/vg ratio, and your draw...30 joules and 450 degrees is were the coils finally started to perform adequatley for me...
would be interesting to see your settings at work in real time on a dna 200 with escribes device monitor...odds are your no where close to accurate temp protection, though...
other than fighting with the ni200 coils, the tank is a joy to use...
to the OP, try not to take the posts here wrong, we are trying to help

 

[JBrentonK]

Thanks a bunches valkyrie, no, the grown up did not try to explain things, because it's as you've said, the coils do not allow you to get any vapor. I am still very upset about this. Simply turned it up about 2 minutes ago to 520 and got a moderate size hit. Although when it works (the gs-tank), it REALLY works. That is with the ni200 coils. Btw I've been vaping for about a year now. I know how I like to vape. I have been through about 6 different box mods, several RDAs and sub tanks, etc. I definitely know what I like and what I'm looking for. So.... No need to post nub comments to someone you only think doesn't know what the **** they're talking about.

The tank only has the two coils though? IMHO, that really lowers the hype factor of it. But to be PERFECTLY honest, it's the best vape I've probably ever had. When it worked that is. I've never tried the 1.5 coils it has, I probably won't buy any until I figure out if I can get the ni200 to work. But i is good to hear that somebody at least, really does know what I'm talking about. Maybe just maybe someone who's got i to work will post. I sure hp;e so lol.

 

[JBrentonK]

And nope, born and raised in Florida.

edit: Btw I emailed eleaf/ismoka about this, I'm going to love their response They're out on chinese holiday though

edit #2: I edited my OP, it should have read "temperature protection" not "temperature control". That's probably what confused all the grown ups.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Thanks a bunches valkyrie, no, the grown up did not try to explain things, because it's as you've said, the coils do not allow you to get any vapor. I am still very upset about this. Simply turned it up about 2 minutes ago to 520 and got a moderate size hit. Although when it works (the gs-tank), it REALLY works. That is with the ni200 coils. Btw I've been vaping for about a year now. I know how I like to vape. I have been through about 6 different box mods, several RDAs and sub tanks, etc. I definitely know what I like and what I'm looking for. So.... No need to post nub comments to someone you only think doesn't know what the **** they're talking about.

The tank only has the two coils though? IMHO, that really lowers the hype factor of it. But to be PERFECTLY honest, it's the best vape I've probably ever had. When it worked that is. I've never tried the 1.5 coils it has, I probably won't buy any until I figure out if I can get the ni200 to work. But i is good to hear that somebody at least, really does know what I'm talking about. Maybe just maybe someone who's got i to work will post. I sure hp;e so lol.

calm down, dude. Like Valkyrie said we are trying to help; but, you aren't making it easy. I have been using TC since the day the dna40 came out. i still have one of the first run dna40 boards in addition to 11 other tc mods out of the total of 41 mods in my inventory, maybe come to the conclusion that some of us DO KNOW what we are talking about and are taking time out on superbowl sunday to help.

the problem is the mod; not the tank or the coil. Like i said above the istick40 is tricky with tc, its probably the worst at it out of any of the tc mods. both mod and atty have to be at the same temp when paired, there is no way around it. IF someone were to tell me they were looking for a tc mod and wanted that one, my comment would be: its an ok 40w mod; but, a terrible option for temp control; because, it is so finicky.
going from inside to outside when the ambient weather changes will screw it up; because, the mod loads in the baseline resistance. HOWEVER, when the temperature of the coil changes the resistance changes so the mod Thinks it is warmer than it is. the only way around it is to pair the two again.

you are locking resistance? hold power and up until it shows the lock icon? this is what i mean by pairing the atty

 

[5150sick]

And nope, born and raised in Florida.

edit: Btw I emailed eleaf/ismoka about this, I'm going to love their response They're out on chinese holiday though

edit #2: I edited my OP, it should have read "temperature protection" not "temperature control". That's probably what confused all the grown ups.

What other tanks have you tried?
The kanger subtank may work better for you and it wouldn't be underpowered by a 40 watt device.
I personally use the Uwell Crown mostly but I run it between 40 and 60 watts so a 40 watt mod may not be enough power for the crown.
I do have the 3 subtanks (regular, mini, nano) and they do work well with the 0.5 ohm coils at 25 to 35 watts and the NI200 coils work well on a 40 watt device too.

But it you are looking for thick clouds and a heavy amount of vapor variable wattage mode would be the way to go on these type of tanks.

Please do not use NI200 coils in VW mode because the nickel coil can actually melt at high temps.
Inhaling burning nickel fumes is really bad for you.

 

[5150sick]

calm down, dude. Like Valkyrie said we are trying to help; but, you aren't making it easy. I have been using TC since the day the dna40 came out.

Since we are on the issue.
Any interest?
Authentic Deviate DNA40 Serial# 192 with box & COA?
I'm probably going to put it up in the classifieds.

 

[JBrentonK]

lol somebody should have told me that.

I expected that was true so stayed away from using VW with ni200. And yes just recently considering your proposal, before you posted it that is. I do probably and most likely will get a subtank mini, is that what you said? Mostly because of wattage range and the fact that the highest wattage I want to vape is 50w. I like to stay with the usb charged mods due to battery safty, I almost caught my house on fire, so I can't get the 60w istick and I vape mainly crown/heraklesplus/herakles/isub when I have a higher mod but the only one I had died because it almost caught fire so I can't use bigger tanks like the ones I mentioned anymore.

Still I can use the subtank mini! Thank you for reminding me of it's wattage range. I LOVE the isub.

 

[5150sick]

Indeed, props to you too Shark

Is bugs bunny actually fucking another bunny in this picture?
You have single handly ruined all my good looney toons childhood memories @Whiskey

 

[Whiskey]

Is bugs bunny actually fucking another bunny in this picture?
You have single handly ruined all my good looney toons childhood memories @Whiskey

Ummmm, not to my knowledge, where's yo mind at???? LOL

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Since we are on the issue.
Any interest?
Authentic Deviate DNA40 Serial# 192 with box & COA?
I'm probably going to put it up in the classifieds.
View attachment 40631

nice dude!!!!!!!!!! I'm envious
edit, missed the sale offer. sorry man i wish i could, but i cant at the moment

 

[5150sick]

You can get the whole kit mod and all for $36.00 shipped from Gearbest's USA NY warehouse.

Kanger Subox Mini 50W Variable Wattage Box Mod Kit
http://www.gearbest.com/electronic-cigarettes/pp_187431.html?wid=2

The US warehouse ships FAST and the kit would be in your hands in less than a week.

 

[skt239]

lol somebody should have told me that.

I expected that was true so stayed away from using VW with ni200. And yes just recently considering your proposal, before you posted it that is. I do probably and most likely will get a subtank mini, is that what you said? Mostly because of wattage range and the fact that the highest wattage I want to vape is 50w. I like to stay with the usb charged mods due to battery safty, I almost caught my house on fire, so I can't get the 60w istick and I vape mainly crown/heraklesplus/herakles/isub when I have a higher mod but the only one I had died because it almost caught fire so I can't use bigger tanks like the ones I mentioned anymore.

Still I can use the subtank mini! Thank you for reminding me of it's wattage range. I LOVE the isub.

If you didn't know for sure that Ni200 is only to be used in TC mode and never in VW, you should seriously stick to standard power mode until you've figured it out. I'm not saying this to be a dick, I'm just trying to help you out as you seem very frustrated by TC at the moment. Like @f1r3b1rd explained in his post, TC takes a little patince and apparently more so with a istick. IMO, it's worth the time spent learning and keeping track of all the little quirks to get a consistent vape like you get from properly done TC.

I'll also add that while I still vape it from time to time, Ni200 is the least satisfying of the 3 major wire used, IMO. I get the best nickel vape off of my Snow Wolf v1.5 with a crown tank, I get the worst from a Kanger on any mod. The best of the bunch is stainless steel. It can be used in VW, TC and performs the closet to kanthal in terms of flavor and vapor. Don't take so much offense to the comments being posted here. There was nothing offensive said to you prior to your outburst, just people trying to help.

 

[Huckleberried]

lol somebody should have told me that.

I mentioned it in the first reply that you shouldn't vape Ni in Power mode.

 

[5150sick]

If you do buy the crown OP you need to get the 0.5ohm coils because your 40 watt istick would not be enough to power the 0.25 ohm coils.

Real DNA40 boards will not power a Crown tank adequately at 0.25 ohms.

This is just a hunch but I wouldn't be surprised if you hooked a 40watt istick and a DNA40 to a bunch of those 'vaper Phil Busardo geek machines' the DNA40 would have more power and a more steady cleaner power than whatever chip is in the istick.

I thought OP was looking for a good MTL (mouth to lung) experience at a lower power setting which is why I suggested the subtank?

 

[5150sick]

I expected that was true so stayed away from using VW with ni200.

Am I the only one who didn't miss this part?