Either SMOKTech are Idiots or I AM, R200 Owners Plz Comment

[Vapomizer]

So like the title says, either SMOKTech are total lousy negligent idiots or there is something i do not understand here, owners of the SMOK R200 please comments on this subject.

I am considering the SMOK R200 mod and after looking at the details of its software/firmware functionality, i am kind of shocked by the amount of fuckery they have done with it, here are the issues:

1- The firmware for the SMOK R200 seems to have been blindly taken from the R80 without even the slightest consideration for the differences in design and capability of these two devices, the first problem is the clock which they moved blindly from the R80 which does not effect the vaping performance of the device at all but it just shows how lousy they were with this, now they have released a firmware update to completely remove the clock but other more significant issues remain.

2- MAX 80W wattage limit in TC mode as it was on the R80 80W device, and that is the most stupid shit i have seen one of these manufacturers do, 80W max power in TC on a 200W device is just unacceptable, they do not allow you to set wattage manually and their pre-sets range from 20W to 80W, they should have made more reasonable intervals on the 200W device like for example 60W -> 80W -> 100W -> 120W -> 140W or even better, allow the freedom of wattage selection in TC mode like most other manufacturers do.

3- Single Coil - Dual Coil limitation is also a disaster, this also moved from the fucking R80 without a second thought, when they released the R80 the TFV4 Triple Coil RBA was still not released, and a 1 battery 80W device would only be capable of firing dual coils, but with the R200 release all that is different, now they have their triple coil RBA which is now not supported fully by their latest mod, and a 200W device can comfortably run triple and quad coil setups and again their device does not support that, which is total shit to say the least.

4- This is one more gigantic fuckery because they are using the developer ISP Programming Tool found here http://www.nuvoton.com/hq/support/tool-and-software/software?__locale=en under Programmer Software Tools Package, to let users upgrade their devices instead of putting the time to develop a simple user tool like Joyetech for people to update their mods with one click.

Such lousy software practices are the most horrible of all i have seen, i just can't understand how they can do this, am i missing something here? please correct me if i understand this the wrong way.

 

[Whiskey]

Moved to review area

 

[Vapomizer]

Moved to review area

Why? this is about the functionality of a regulated mod aimed at current owners of this mod to clarify if i understand this correctly or if i am missing something, i do not own the device yet so this can not possibly be a review, please move back into the regulated devices sub-forum if possible.

 

[Whiskey]

Ok Moved back

 

[vuJim]

As I wrote in the other thread: The above is all fixable in a firmware upgrades, no? Unlike loosening or insecure battery doors, chipping paint, 510 connectors that are too shallow, buttons that rattle, and displays that are dim and are easily scratched/scuffed.

 

[Vapomizer]

Ok Moved back

Thanks a bunch

 

[Vapomizer]

As I wrote in the other thread: The above is all fixable in a firmware upgrades, no? Unlike loosening or insecure battery doors, chipping paint, 510 connectors that are too shallow, buttons that rattle, and displays that are dim and are easily scratched/scuffed.

As i wrote in response in the other thread

YES, it is indeed fully fixable in firmware, the hardware of the device is decent, using the Nuvoton NCU 220 chip and a nice board design, everything apart from the software is great, but the question, are they willing to put the significant time required to fix this? it seems like it needs some major re-writes of not only the Firmware but also the update tool, and they seem to totally lack the interest to put the time to do it, if they can release a device with firmware in this state, how long do you think it will take them to provide proper firmware if it all?

If they can change the wattage intervals, support up to quad coils, fix their resistance reading, and provide a proper update tool then this would be great, but requires a lot of programming efforts on their part which if they don't do will be worse than the problems you mentioned.

 

[vuJim]

I believe I read somewhere they already removed the clock support on an upgrade. As to the rest: Don't know.

 

[Vapomizer]

I believe I read somewhere they already removed the clock support on an upgrade. As to the rest: Don't know.

Yes, i mentioned that in the OP, they released a firmware a couple days ago which ONLY removed the clock, nothing else has been fixed, the clock was the least annoying of all because it is a non-functional glitch, so it does not affect vaping, but the rest of the issues are device killers, how can i buy a 200W device that would limit me to 80W only and dual coils in TC mode? this makes it almost unusable for its purpose "High Wattage TC vaping"

I don't understand what they are thinking?!

 

[Vapomizer]

I am waiting for comments from tech savvy people like @raymo2u and others who actually own the device to tell me if i get this correctly or what is wrong with this picture.

 

[raymo2u]

I am waiting for comments from tech savvy people like @raymo2u and others who actually own the device to tell me if i get this correctly or what is wrong with this picture.

It is the R80 Firmware and Chip with some Tweaks....I dont use TC that often so the 80w in that is fine for me. The thing that pisses me off though is there isnt a cr123 battery or anything in it to keep settings and the time as it was soley designed for the lipo.
Think of it this way, it is the R80 with a 200w Power mode and 18650 are swapped in....thats it

 

[Vapomizer]

It is the R80 Firmware and Chip with some Tweaks....I dont use TC that often so the 80w in that is fine for me. The thing that pisses me off though is there isnt a cr123 battery or anything in it to keep settings and the time as it was soley designed for the lipo.
Think of it this way, it is the R80 with a 200w Power mode and 18650 are swapped in....thats it

OMG, what tweaks? changed max power mode output to 200W and then release the device with TC mode untouched and battery-operated clock in place and just get it out in the market? now that is the lousiest embedded development i have witnessed in my 20+ years in IT

Clock and user settings are two different things, this uses the Nuvoton NUC220LE3AN USB Microcontroller chip with 128 KB of flash memory and 4 KB of Data Flash, the user settings are kept in the data flash and there is no need for electricity to preserve them, so when you replace your batteries your user settings are not going to be wiped out, but the clock is another story, Clock Controller is battery operated and if batteries are removed the clock resets.

They have "fixed" the clock issue by disabling the functionality all together, but what were they thinking moving the R80 TC settings over just like that without any tweaking to match the 200W device, and what were they thinking when they decided to make end-users use Nuvoton's ISP programming tool to update the firmware instead of a one click user friendly tool?

I don't understand how these Chinese companies think and operate, if this was my product i would be dead before i think of releasing a product in the market with firmware in this condition, and how come i am the first one to notice that and complain about it? i am sure that there are many vapers who bought this device who like to do TC in 100W+ me being one of them, have they not noticed the limitation? did it not bother them? how come no one ever mentioned that in the whole wide internet?

The vaping community is a strange strange place, i don't understand it

 

[vuJim]

Think of it this way, it is the R80 with a 200w Power mode and 18650 are swapped in....thats it

Questions:

1. Would you buy it again, knowing what you now know, having used it for a while?
2. If the answer to (1) is "Yes": Why?
   
3. Is there a dual-18650 mod you prefer over the R200?
4. If the answer to (3) is "Yes": Which one(s) and why?

I still haven't quite given up on the idea of obtaining a dual-18650 mod. I'm just trying to find one I can like.

TIA!

 

[Droogbc]

Smok makes shitty mods and a couple of decent tanks. Best bet is to not buy mods made by Smok when there are so many other great mods available.

 

[raymo2u]

Questions:

1. Would you buy it again, knowing what you now know, having used it for a while?
2. If the answer to (1) is "Yes": Why?
   
3. Is there a dual-18650 mod you prefer over the R200?
4. If the answer to (3) is "Yes": Which one(s) and why?

I still haven't quite given up on the idea of obtaining a dual-18650 mod. I'm just trying to find one I can like.

TIA!

I would not, but I use it as a mod in the house...much like my R80...the only thing I wish it had was a 5,000-7,000mAH lipo in it...I prefer the Laisimo L1, Snow Wolf v1.5, Hohm Wrecker G2 and a couple of other mods over it but I dont use TC so its mostly a power spec game for me...I like being able to have decent amount of headroom for builds, firing atleast .07 and above is what I look for along with less limitations overall.

If Smok redid the Firmware and made it fit the Mod itself rather then a scaled down version of itself it would be a higher rated mod for me, but with the limitations it has and the odd ball fuck ups like the clock and more I would rather buy something more professionally done. Its a decent small mod and fits well in the hand and I love how they did the screen as it is one of the best and brightest Ive seen so far, the menu is also a nice layout.

 

[vuJim]

Smok makes shitty mods and a couple of decent tanks. Best bet is to not buy mods made by Smok when there are so many other great mods available.

No offence intended, but I don't find that particularly useful input.

As to the "so many great mods available": I've been closely tracking every multi-18650 mod I can find, as well as the one (new) 26650 mod of which I'm aware. The jury's still out on the SMOK R200, in my view, but every other one of them, save, possibly, the P4Y IPV D5, have what I feel to be disqualifying flaws.

What, in particular, about the SMOK R200 makes it a "shitty mod?" I mean: Other than the fact it's a SMOK mod?

 

[Vapomizer]

something more professionally done

That is the keyword here "professionally done" very rare if any mods in the current market live up to that criteria, china is being very lousy with their mod manufacturing/programming and the problem is that the vaping community is just sucking it up, why can't mods be made with the same quality and standards as mobile phones or any other decent personal electronic device? i hope US/Europe participate more in that market with more "professionally done" devices even if the price is a little higher, many people including myself will be happy with that. (or at least i hope they will be!)

As to the "so many great mods available": I've been closely tracking every multi-18650 mod I can find, as well as the one (new) 26650 mod of which I'm aware. The jury's still out on the SMOK R200, in my view, but every other one of them, save, possibly, the P4Y IPV D5, have what I feel to be disqualifying flaws.

"disqualifying flaws" oh man, these are everywhere, i have been just like you tracking every mod released in the past 3 months or so, and the only semi-decent one i found is the iStick TC100W

- The IPV5 with its shady P4Y history, shitty software update intervals if at all, buggy software with that 75W glitch and horrible customer support
- Kanger Kbox worst paint job ever and outdated crippled software
- SMOK ... the topic of this thread
- Joyetech's Cuboid i think this is a very badly designed mod just everything about it is wrong in my view, the weight, the battery door, the 510, the 25A limit, the QC.
- Laisimo L1 huge colored screen? really? oversized, gimmicky software, tears battery wraps
- RX200 maybe the best of all but with its weight, short 510 and having to maintain 3 batteries, it is not without its flaws
- Wismec Vaporflask line, overpriced without any particular advantage, same mediocre Joyetech/Wismec quality for double the price, why?

What is more left to buy? really, it has been so hard to find a really attractive device in this market unless you are willing to shell $140 for a DNA200 device and still does not come with decent housing or good warranty.

What, in particular, about the SMOK R200 makes it a "shitty mod?" I mean: Other than the fact it's a SMOK mod?

I believe the mod itself has very good hardware, design, manufacturing and finish, but with that software they just trashed all the good work that went into the design

It is really one fucked up market

 

[raymo2u]

That is the keyword here "professionally done" very rare if any mods in the current market live up to that criteria, china is being very lousy with their mod manufacturing/programming and the problem is that the vaping community is just sucking it up, why can't mods be made with the same quality and standards as mobile phones or any other decent personal electronic device? i hope US/Europe participate more in that market with more "professionally done" devices even if the price is a little higher, many people including myself will be happy with that. (or at least i hope they will be!)


"disqualifying flaws" oh man, these are everywhere, i have been just like you tracking every mod released in the past 3 months or so, and the only semi-decent one i found is the iStick TC100W

- The IPV5 with its shady P4Y history, shitty software update intervals if at all, buggy software with that 75W glitch and horrible customer support
- Kanger Kbox worst paint job ever and outdated crippled software
- SMOK ... the topic of this thread
- Joyetech's Cuboid i think this is a very badly designed mod just everything about it is wrong in my view, the weight, the battery door, the 510, the 25A limit, the QC.
- Laisimo L1 huge colored screen? really? oversized, gimmicky software, tears battery wraps
- RX200 maybe the best of all but with its weight, short 510 and having to maintain 3 batteries, it is not without its flaws
- Wismec Vaporflask line, overpriced without any particular advantage, same mediocre Joyetech/Wismec quality for double the price, why?

What is more left to buy? really, it has been so hard to find a really attractive device in this market unless you are willing to shell $140 for a DNA200 device and still does not come with decent housing or good warranty.


I believe the mod itself has very good hardware, design, manufacturing and finish, but with that software they just trashed all the good work that went into the design

It is really one fucked up market

Hohm Wrecker or wait for the Snow wolf v2. Everything has a flaw...but if the flaws are are limited and it functions well then get it.
The Laisimo only tears wraps if you pull the batteries out by the top or bottom, if you pull them straight out then there's no issues, and I like the big gimmicky screen-I even made my own wallpapers for it...

The DNA200 devices arent much better then other chipset devices...they just cost more and boast a DNA200 chip. You need tyo pick and choose through the flaws and get something you like (even if it has flaws) just make sure you can live with the flaws it has. Much like in RTA's thats why I blew up about the Griffin, I havent found a flaw yet...which is very rare with RTA/RDA's

 

[Vapomizer]

Hohm Wrecker or wait for the Snow wolf v2. Everything has a flaw...but if the flaws are are limited and it functions well then get it.
The Laisimo only tears wraps if you pull the batteries out by the top or bottom, if you pull them straight out then there's no issues, and I like the big gimmicky screen-I even made my own wallpapers for it...

The DNA200 devices arent much better then other chipset devices...they just cost more and boast a DNA200 chip. You need tyo pick and choose through the flaws and get something you like (even if it has flaws) just make sure you can live with the flaws it has. Much like in RTA's thats why I blew up about the Griffin, I havent found a flaw yet...which is very rare with RTA/RDA's

None of the above mentioned flaws i can comfortably live with, the only one i found without flaws is the iStick TC100W, the Hohm Wrecker is extremely boxy for my taste, so i will either get another iStick or wait for the SW v2 or whatever Joyetech is cooking, i heard that Joyetech have more mods up their sleeves soon and that could be it.

I agree on the Griffin, waiting for the Griffin of TC mods to arrive!

 

[raymo2u]

None of the above mentioned flaws i can comfortably live with, the only one i found without flaws is the iStick TC100W, the Hohm Wrecker is extremely boxy for my taste, so i will either get another iStick or wait for the SW v2 or whatever Joyetech is cooking, i heard that Joyetech have more mods up their sleeves soon and that could be it.

I agree on the Griffin, waiting for the Griffin of TC mods to arrive!

Mine comes in Thursday, no flaws to me...even though its just a Parallel Box...The Exodus Box Mod and the Twisted Messes V2 both will arrive here Thursday...cannot wait!

 

[Vapomizer]

The Exodus Box Mod

wow that looks sick ,,,how much did you pay for that one?

 

[raymo2u]

wow that looks sick ,,,how much did you pay for that one?

$250 preorder 1/500 and the second batch is almost all sold and then they are out of production and stock...the first preorder ended this past Friday...there is a very large demand for them and they are exclusive and limited and built like something I would spend that kind of money on. Its the most expensive mod Ive bought so far and I know its going to be worth every penny (especially in the future). I wanted the Magnum Mod by Fourth Horseman Customs also but its Out of Stock/Production now...
Next is the Point Blank Lite mod...

 

[Vapomizer]

$250 preorder 1/500 and the second batch is almost all sold and then they are out of production and stock...the first preorder ended this past Friday...there is a very large demand for them and they are exclusive and limited and built like something I would spend that kind of money on. Its the most expensive mod Ive bought so far and I know its going to be worth every penny (especially in the future). I wanted the Magnum Mod by Fourth Horseman Customs also but its Out of Stock/Production now...
Next is the Point Blank Lite mod...

Looks worth it to me, that should be an absolute pleasure to use and would earn you some serious bragging/show off rights

 

[raymo2u]

Looks worth it to me, that should be an absolute pleasure to use and would earn you some serious bragging/show off rights

My thought wa to use it for some nice coilporn pics....Im pairing it up with the Deck from the Twisted Messes V2 but with the Gold/Black Top Cap from the Twisted Messes V1 so it will all match....I kind of wish TM did a Black and Gold V2 rda and I would of just got that version instead...I may try and grab that Brass Goon RDA to match it...IDK
Im extremely excited for Thursday and will be posting a TON of pics probably..

 

[Vapomizer]

My thought wa to use it for some nice coilporn pics....Im pairing it up with the Deck from the Twisted Messes V2 but with the Gold/Black Top Cap from the Twisted Messes V1 so it will all match....I kind of wish TM did a Black and Gold V2 rda and I would of just got that version instead...I may try and grab that Brass Goon RDA to match it...IDK
Im extremely excited for Thursday and will be posting a TON of pics probably..

OMG, that would be coil porn, mod porn, RDA porn, all round porn, shit i could masturbate on the pics you will post on Thursday

 

[pescadore]

That's why I gave all my SMOK/KOOPOR product away.

 

[The Cromwell]

R200 is a 2 battery device? Not 200 watts then.

 

[Vapomizer]

That's why I gave all my SMOK/KOOPOR product away.

Definitely something wrong with that company, takes a bunch of total idiots to release a 200W TC mod with a firmware like that, i will pass on anything SMOK from now on, i should have known better!

 

[Vapomizer]

R200 is a 2 battery device? Not 200 watts then.

200W if you are are going to use it in power mode, otherwise it is 80W if you are going to use TC!! even though it is printed on the fucking thing "200W TC" and when you see that you should expect it to actually be able to do 200W in TC, not 80W, if i was stupid enough to buy it i would have returned it on grounds of mis-advertising and misleading product specifications.

 

[Vapomizer]

Twisted Messes V2

BTW, what do you mean by V2? you are referring to the Twisted Messes Squared right?

 

[raymo2u]

BTW, what do you mean by V2? you are referring to the Twisted Messes Squared right?

Yes the TM² RDA, its supposed to be here Wednesday with the Exodus.

 

[The Cromwell]

200W if you are are going to use it in power mode, otherwise it is 80W if you are going to use TC!! even though it is printed on the fucking thing "200W TC" and when you see that you should expect it to actually be able to do 200W in TC, not 80W, if i was stupid enough to buy it i would have returned it on grounds of mis-advertising and misleading product specifications.

You willnot get 200 watts from a 2 18650 battery mod or if you do it will be for just a few minutes.

 

[raymo2u]

We know...Its still called a 200w mod though and the power level that it shows can go to 200w, using the maximum wattage available gives less ramp up time, even if its not a true 200w...

 

[vuJim]

Thanks for the responses, @raymo2u. I don't think any of the minuses you noted are necessarily show-stoppers, for me-for the way I use a mod, except... yeah, the lack of attention to detail. That one is a concern. OTOH: Mechanically, it appears to be so well built.

Every time I think "Okay, this is the dual-18650 mod!" some show-stoppers come along. I think I'm just going to have to give up on this round of products, get another eVic-VTC Mini for a second mod, and wait to see what shows up in the next round.

Or maybe... maybe... just not buy... anything at all?!?!

Wouldn't that be different? @Vapomizer does make a good point. These manufacturers are apparently throwing half-baked stuff over the wall and expecting vapers to just lap it up because, y'know: New! Shiny! Maybe... maybe...

 

[raymo2u]

Thanks for the responses, @raymo2u. I don't think any of the minuses you noted are necessarily show-stoppers, for me-for the way I use a mod, except... yeah, the lack of attention to detail. That one is a concern. OTOH: Mechanically, it appears to be so well built.

Every time I think "Okay, this is the dual-18650 mod!" some show-stoppers come along. I think I'm just going to have to give up on this round of products, get another eVic-VTC Mini for a second mod, and wait to see what shows up in the next round.

Or maybe... maybe... just not buy... anything at all?!?!

Wouldn't that be different?

Im more for function then style...style comes from the user and not the product in my eyes...I'd much rather have a mod work and work like it should then one that looks nice but doesnt necessarily work as intended. There are mixes of both style and function but you will PAY for those..

 

[vuJim]

Im more for function then style...style comes from the user and not the product in my eyes...I'd much rather have a mod work and work like it should then one that looks nice but doesnt necessarily work as intended. There are mixes of both style and function but you will PAY for those..

Problem I have, from I guess what you might mean by a "style" perspective, is I'm a bit OCD when it comes to the appearance of things. I don't like "clunky." And I abhor things that attempt to look like more than they are. (I almost detest gold on anything, for that reason.) So, yeah, function over form: With that I can agree. Mostly. But there are "style" (if we're talking about the same thing) show-stoppers for me.

The R200, btw, is not something I would refer-to as "stylish." It's kind of like the eVic-VTC Mini in that respect: Just nice, clean, simple lines. It doesn't invest a lot in trying to be more than what it is. Which, given the flaws in its current firmware, is probably just as well

 

[raymo2u]

Problem I have, from I guess what you might mean by a "style" perspective, is I'm a bit OCD when it comes to the appearance of things. I don't like "clunky." And I abhor things that attempt to look like more than they are. (I almost detest gold on anything, for that reason.) So, yeah, function over form: With that I can agree. Mostly. But there are "style" (if we're talking about the same thing) show-stoppers for me.

The R200, btw, is not something I would refer-to as "stylish." It's kind of like the eVic-VTC Mini in that respect: Just nice, clean, simple lines. It doesn't invest a lot in trying to be more than what it is. Which, given the flaws in its current firmware, is probably just as well

Yea I didnt buy the RX200 as I didnt like it at all in my hand, others think its great...I dont.

There really isnt much out there for Regulated Devices that have a nice form and feel and also have great build quality. The function is limited but it covers all those fields but you will still be paying money for them. Thats the problem getting something that fits that scores well on all levels-its downfall is always price oriented.
What about the MX 150? Decimus? Minnikin 120? Snow Wolf Mini? Cuboid? Telsa boxes? Treebox?

I dont know what wattage and resistance handling you need, or whether you want TC modes and which mods and so on. This cuts the list down and then look through those results....The pickens get pretty thin if you have something special in mind.

 

[vuJim]

Yea I didnt buy the RX200 as I didnt like it at all in my hand, others think its great...I dont.

I was talking about the SMOK R200, not the Reuleaux RX200.

I did handle an RX200 in an LVS. I really liked the hand feel. I just didn't want to deal with 3x18650s, esp. since I have only a 2-bay charger.

What about the MX 150? Decimus? Minnikin 120? Snow Wolf Mini? Cuboid? Telsa boxes? Treebox?

Haven't looked at most of those. The Cuboid is out. Again: Too much shiny black plastic.

I dont know what wattage and resistance handling you need, or whether you want TC modes and which mods and so on.

Hell, raymo2y, I'm working with only an eVic-VTC Mini, right now, and it suffices for me.

My needs aren't demanding. I generally build to no lower than 0.3Ω or so, and often well above that. I generally don't vape at above 45W. I want TC mode, but I haven't done anything with it, yet. (I do have some 316SS wire I've yet to mess with. 28 ga. and 26 ga., IIRC.)

I'm mainly interested in dual-18650s for the runtime. When I get down to 0.3Ω and 45-50W, a single 18650 doesn't last long. If I could get an eVic-VTC, which would be a Mini that's not mini, I'd be happy as a pig in slop. But, instead, Joyetech gave us the Cuboid. *ick*

And I am kind of tired of dealing with a too-shallow 510 connector, as well. Maybe the R200, after all...?

 

[raymo2u]

I was talking about the SMOK R200, not the Reuleaux RX200.

I did handle an RX200 in an LVS. I really liked the hand feel. I just didn't want to deal with 3x18650s, esp. since I have only a 2-bay charger.


Haven't looked at most of those. The Cuboid is out. Again: Too much shiny black plastic.


Hell, raymo2y, I'm working with only an eVic-VTC Mini, right now, and it suffices for me.

My needs aren't demanding. I generally build to no lower than 0.3Ω or so, and often well above that. I generally don't vape at above 45W. I want TC mode, but I haven't done anything with it, yet. (I do have some 316SS wire I've yet to mess with. 28 ga. and 26 ga., IIRC.)

I'm mainly interested in dual-18650s for the runtime. When I get down to 0.3Ω and 45-50W, a single 18650 doesn't last long. If I could get an eVic-VTC, which would be a Mini that's not mini, I'd be happy as a pig in slop. But, instead, Joyetech gave us the Cuboid. *ick*

And I am kind of tired of dealing with a too-shallow 510 connector, as well. Maybe the R200, after all...?

I would check out the Minikin with what I see from your post...LINK to see them.
If not I guess the R200...I cant speak for you or tell you what to want but it seems you've already made your decision on what you want.

 

[Vapomizer]

If I could get an eVic-VTC, which would be a Mini that's not mini, I'd be happy as a pig in slop. But, instead, Joyetech gave us the Cuboid. *ick*

That is exactly what i was expecting and waiting for from Joyetech, a big eVic VTC, but then they give us the Cuboid with a complete design concept overhaul, progress is inevitable, they have to keep changing around instead of just doing the same thing to stay ahead of their game. and it looks to be working for them, plenty of people bought the Cuboid and are super happy with it, so Joyetech knows their market well and is able address it successfully.

And I am kind of tired of dealing with a too-shallow 510 connector, as well. Maybe the R200, after all...?

If you don't think you would need to go above 80W in TC for instant ramp up then the R200 might be for you, if you can deal with slightly (yet significant enough) inaccurate resistance reading and the trouble of using a developer tool to update the firmware.

For my use-case, the way i vape both are fatal flaws, for one i use 120W+ for instant ramp up in TC so 80W is not gonna cut it for me at all, and second i use SS316L exclusively and from my long experience with it even 0.01 Ohm inaccuracy messes TC up significantly, the R200 misses the actual resistance by up to 0.04 Ohms sometimes which will kill any chance of having a working SS316L TC because that 0.04 Ohms is the entire TCR range of the coils from cool to hot, my current SS316L dual coil build is 0.25 Ohms at room temp, and goes up to 0.29 to 0.30 Ohms at 200c degrees, so if a mod is missing the entire TCR range of my wire how can it perform TC successfully on it?

 

[vuJim]

I would check out the Minikin with what I see from your post...LINK to see them.

I like the form factor. I wonder where are the up/down controls, though? I'll have to see if I can find reviews, etc. about that one.

ETA: Just found the controls. Interesting.

ETA2: That didn't last long. No support for SS TC? Srsly? No update or on-board charging. Oh well...

If not I guess the R200...I cant speak for you or tell you what to want but it seems you've already made your decision on what you want.

*shrug* It's how I vape. I used to be an MTLer, then I discovered RDAs. Much, much more taste, IMO. But I'm at the low-cloud-producing-end of DLers.

 

[Vapomizer]

I like the form factor. I wonder where are the up/down controls, though? I'll have to see if I can find reviews, etc. about that one.


*shrug* It's how I vape. I used to be an MTLer, then I discovered RDAs. Much, much more taste, IMO. But I'm at the low-cloud-producing-end of DLers.

If you are a low wattage vaper and only want the device for its longer run-time then go ahead and buy the damn thing already, you have been researching this for too long and have not bought anything yet, that is the only decent semi-stylish, with straight lines, well built, small and light weight two battery TC mod in existence that does not have that plastic strip you hate so much, no other mod fits these criteria, and it has a long 510, so this is definitely your thing. it checks all your boxes i see, and it even has a very decent official silicon case made by SMOK.

Heck it can be had for $35 bucks or so, consider that you bought an R80 with a longer run-time, what else are you hoping for for 35 bucks, now common and buy the damn thing and tell me what you think about it, i would like to hear an OCD guy's opinion!

 

[vuJim]

If you are a low wattage vaper and only want the device for its longer run-time then go ahead and buy the damn thing already, you have been researching this for too long and have not bought anything yet, ...

I have a very limited vape budget. In fact: A very limited discretionary budget, period. Besides: I'm in no hurry, and who knows what new products may appear at any time? For example: The Wismec Beyondvape Centurion 100W box mod, announced by AngelCigs, and it looks like Vapresso finally started producing their Tarot 200VTC Mod.

And, who knows: Maybe Joyetech will realize the error of their ways and produce the mod we hoped they would?

The Centurian looks interesting, but I'm still not sure 26650s are the way to go.

 

[Vapomizer]

I'm in no hurry

You seem to be in a hurry since you are very actively looking, when i am not in a hurry i just observe quietly from a distance and let the product pull me to it, not the other way around, but you are very actively looking like i am and i am so much in a hurry.

and who knows what new products may appear at any time?

These are electronic device, there will always be something new regardless of which point in time you choose to buy, just like mobile phones, laptops, graphics cards, etc... any time you buy one of these devices you know that in a month or two, something better and cheaper will come out, best solution is to buy what works for you regardless of the fact that something better will appear in the market shortly after.

And, who knows: Maybe Joyetech will realize the error of their ways and produce the mod we hoped they would?

I am 100% sure they will, this is a very smart company, they made some radical changes with the Cuboid, released it and observed the market feedback, now the Cuboid dust has settled and the market has voted on what they liked and disliked about it and sales for it have now slowed down significantly, i am sure Joyetech is cooking a mod with a magnetic door again, no more hinged doors, solid button that does not rattle or get stick, much lighter weight material, long and better 510, without the 25A limit, i know it is coming and Phil Busardo said in his visit to them that they are releasing a bunch of new products this year but still do not want to disclose it and sure this mod will be one of them.

The Centurian looks interesting, but I'm still not sure 26650s are the way to go.

I don't like it at all, i don't like any of the Wismec stuff, and one battery is not your thing, even a 26650 will not give you the run-time you want, and it looks ugly in my opinion

 

[Vapomizer]

The Centurian looks interesting, but I'm still not sure 26650s are the way to go.

Oh wait, i rushed into that response, after carefully inspecting the pics, this actually looks amazing, if this is an all plastic mod then this would be super because no more problems with paint coming off, the 510 looks deep enough not like the other Wismec stuff, a battery door that screws in is such a good idea, and its lines and styling with closer inspection looks nice,

Well you know what, lets just skip this round of mods and wait for the new second quarter round, Joyetech new stuff, Snow Wolf V2, Wismec stuff, and who knows what else, and these should be so much better than the current mods.

 

[Vapomizer]

and it looks like Vapresso finally started producing their Tarot 200VTC Mod.

BTW, i just checked that out and it does not support custom TCR setting, only has SS316 and Ni200 supported with no way to use any other TC wire, i see a big show-stopper here.

 

[aviva]

I used R200 for a month and think it is a good mod. It's beautiful and performed extremely well.

Of course, for the time function, I think it's redundant too. Luckily they recognized it and canceled it soon.
For TC mod, I don't mind the wattage, I care the taste. It's very delicious I want to say. And as I know, under TC mod, the mod will according the temperature you set, match an adapted wattage to get the best taste.
I always use triple and quad coil under watt mod, dual Coil under TC mod. I don’t feel any inconvenient.
Yes, it’s better if they develop a simple tool like their X Cube series to do upgrade. But it’s not a big problem to me, because this tool is also simple enough to me. Just take me a few minutes.

 

[bigteisstter]

I would not, but I use it as a mod in the house...much like my R80...the only thing I wish

I used R200 for a month and think it is a good mod. It's beautiful and performed extremely well.

Of course, for the time function, I think it's redundant too. Luckily they recognized it and canceled it soon.
For TC mod, I don't mind the wattage, I care the taste. It's very delicious I want to say. And as I know, under TC mod, the mod will according the temperature you set, match an adapted wattage to get the best taste.
I always use triple and quad coil under watt mod, dual Coil under TC mod. I don’t feel any inconvenient.
Yes, it’s better if they develop a simple tool like their X Cube series to do upgrade. But it’s not a big problem to me, because this tool is also simple enough to me. Just take me a few minutes.

it had was a 5,000-7,000mAH lipo in it...I prefer the Laisimo L1, Snow Wolf v1.5, Hohm Wrecker G2 and a couple of other mods over it but I dont use TC so its mostly a power spec game for me...I like being able to have decent amount of headroom for builds, firing atleast .07 and above is what I look for along with less limitations overall.

If Smok redid the Firmware and made it fit the Mod itself rather then a scaled down version of itself it would be a higher rated mod for me, but with the limitations it has and the odd ball fuck ups like the clock and more I would rather buy something more professionally done. Its a decent small mod and fits well in the hand and I love how they did the screen as it is one of the best and brightest Ive seen so far, the menu is also a nice layout.
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[bigteisstter]

i just got the r200 and still going through the "get 2 know" stage. but i immediately hated the no pass through charging. not a big issue due 2 the 2 dual bay chargers i have but the clock was a big disappointment. would be nice 2 just see the time as i cloud chase. but hey...things can be worse, so keeping my fingers crossed with this 1.

 

[animal1981]

i am loooking for r200 old firmware as i have update the firmware 0004v and i am not happyi have my one set to 45w and the time you change the batteries it reset to 1w