What kind of Rule is this?

[Lighty269]

You have a person who Joined: Jun 9, 2015 there name is vapingproduct and you make them an authorized vendor? But yet you have 2 good folks @Taver13 and @Donald Bickers who have been here almost since the beginning of VU. This to me me seems fucked up! Period! Again what kind of Rule would allow someone to walk in and become a Verified Vendor when you VU already know these to good folks? This makes no sense! This placee seems to becoming more like ECF.

 

[Donald Bickers]

I AGREE 100% Jon,,,,its fucked up,,,,,@VaporJoes

 

[Taver13]

couldnt agree more

 

[Lighty269]

I am just looking for answers?

Did someone get paid off?

This forum has seemed to change for the worst...

 

[Donald Bickers]

@VaporJoes do you have an explanation for this

 

[jack]

You have a person who Joined: Jun 9, 2015 there name is vapingproduct and you make them an authorized vendor? But yet you have 2 good folks @Taver13 and @Donald Bickers who have been here almost since the beginning of VU. This to me me seems fucked up! Period! Again what kind of Rule would allow someone to walk in and become a Verified Vendor when you VU already know these to good folks? This makes no sense! This placee seems to becoming more like ECF.

I am sure someone will answer , these folks are ok . But it's just my opinion .

 

[Donald Bickers]

I am sure someone will answer , these folks are ok . But it's just my opinion .

ya think?

 

[Huckleberried]

Vendors only need to be in business 3 months to become an Authorized Vendor. At that time, you would need to contact @SMOKIE and adhere to the vendor rules. http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vendor-sub-forum-information.254/

If the member to which you're referring has been in business 3 months, they've broken no rules, no pockets were lined, no favors were done. No panties in a twist.

 

[Donald Bickers]

Vendors only need to be in business 3 months to become an Authorized Vendor. At that time, you would need to contact @SMOKIE and adhere to the vendor rules. http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vendor-sub-forum-information.254/

If the member to which you're referring has been in business 3 months, they've broken no rules, no pockets were lined, no favors were done. No panties in a twist.

they haven't even been a member for 3 months yet,,,,,this is about what I expected

 

[Lighty269]

The Vendor gave away free juice for well over a year, should that not count?

 

[Donald Bickers]

how come @VaporJoes cant answer his own questions

 

[Zamazam]

Folks, are you looking for a pissing match? Please, get real with your objections.

 

[Taver13]

and considering we do giveaways here all the time just for VU members, not just trying to fluff our facebook page likes from people like most other vendors

 

[Huckleberried]

As far as ECF is concerned, they have far more outrageous rules about vendors at all. Here, you get your own sub-forum AT NO CHARGE and you're still allowed to participate in threads as a vaper. Try that at ECF. This post alone would probably get you banned.

I do wish you guys well, seriously, I do. I appreciate the contests that you've run, as well, I've participated in those, myself.. You already have a good following and great reviews. You haven't mentioned, unless I missed it, who the other vendor was, but you'd need to discuss all of that with Admin, anyway. There's nothing a moderator can do about any of that.

 

[5150sick]

Vendors only need to be in business 3 months to become an Authorized Vendor. At that time, you would need to contact @SMOKIE and adhere to the vendor rules. http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vendor-sub-forum-information.254/

There, I copy/pasted it so you all could see it again.

 

[Donald Bickers]

Folks, are you looking for a pissing match? Please, get real with your objections.

what have we said that's not real

 

[Lighty269]

Folks, are you looking for a pissing match? Please, get real with your objections.

There s no pissing match, why would you even bring that up Spock?


Just want answers...

 

[jack]

Just an observation ...someone has a complaint ,and just wants an honest answer . Why the big deal , and confrontation !

 

[Lighty269]

Okay got it so 1. You must be a "established" vendor for 3 months with a website. No eBay or Facebook sellers. Good point, but what if they were giving away juice to test the grounds? Does that not matter?

 

[SMOKIE]

We want to make sure vendors who receive sub forums are established, but a new vendor having a sub forum who has never been a member here still gets new member status.

 

[OBDave]

Okay got it so 1. You must be a "established" vendor for 3 months with a website. No eBay or Facebook sellers. Good point, but what if they were giving away juice to test the grounds? Does that not matter?

This sounds to me like the textbook definition of NOT being "established," if you mean some DIY mixers were giving away samples in the process of doing research before establishing a business.

I would say the business was established when it shifted from being an operation where liquid was given away to where liquid was sold. Selling is a business, giving things away is a really kind thing to do but I don't see how it could be a sustainable business model.

Has the vendor in question not been around 3 months? That's really not all that long...and it used to be 6 months when VU opened, so they'll be getting a better deal than vendors who had to apply under the old rules.

fat fingered flubs courtesy dumb mobile phone

 

[Donald Bickers]

what im seeing here is different rules for different people,,,,,so I guess its not who you know its who you blow
Im fucking done

 

[Lighty269]

We want to make sure vendors who receive sub forums are established, but a new vendor having a sub forum who has never been a member here still gets new member status.

And how does that happen? I myself have a business that has been thriving for 28 years. So this person comes by and says hey I been in business for this long and you guys look at the creation date? Do you check it out and go by the creation date? I just want to know how this works. My business has nothing to do with vaping. But I do see downsides for some folks because they decided to get a website, by the rules later than sooner!

 

[Donald Bickers]

Has the vendor in question not been around 3 months?

You have a person who Joined: Jun 9, 2015

does that answer your question

 

[SMOKIE]

You have a person who Joined: Jun 9, 2015 there name is vapingproduct and you make them an authorized vendor? But yet you have 2 good folks @Taver13 and @Donald Bickers who have been here almost since the beginning of VU. This to me me seems fucked up! Period! Again what kind of Rule would allow someone to walk in and become a Verified Vendor when you VU already know these to good folks? This makes no sense! This placee seems to becoming more like ECF.

What are you talking about? If they are vendors with a website domain, and have been in business more then 3 months and agree to use our VU banner on their website we would be more then happy to give them a sub forum. So what is the problem you scream about?

 

[Lighty269]

T
I would say the business was established when it shifted from being an operation where liquid was given away to where liquid was sold. Selling is a business, giving things away is a really kind thing to do but I don't see how it could be a sustainable business model.

You are obviously are not a angel investor.

 

[Zamazam]

what im seeing here is different rules for different people,,,,,so I guess its not who you know its who you blow
Im fucking done

You're going to tap out because of this thread? Really?

 

[Lighty269]

What are you talking about? If they are vendors with a website domain, and have been in business more then 3 months and agree to use our VU banner on their website we would be more then happy to give them a sub forum. So what is the problem you scream about?

Smokie I am not yelling! I am asking questions because I do research, did you?

 

[SMOKIE]

they haven't even been a member for 3 months yet,,,,,this is about what I expected

IN Business 3 months Donald not member for 3 months. This is for a vendor sub forum only!

 

[Lighty269]

You're going to tap out because of this thread? Really?

Hey Spock! Really?

 

[Donald Bickers]

You're going to tap out because of this thread? Really?

oh "im not tapping out,, im gonna run my business with my partner",we were looking for answers and all we got was the runaround
its all about money,and in my mind isn't worth even discussing anymore

 

[SMOKIE]

Smokie I am not yelling! I am asking questions because I do research, did you?

Research what? There is nothing to research! I create the vendors sub forums when they hit me or the thread up. So if you have something more that I am not aware of please tell now?

 

[Donald Bickers]

 

[SMOKIE]

Okay got it so 1. You must be a "established" vendor for 3 months with a website. No eBay or Facebook sellers. Good point, but what if they were giving away juice to test the grounds? Does that not matter?

Then as beta you would get FREE juice.

 

[SMOKIE]

You have a person who Joined: Jun 9, 2015 there name is vapingproduct and you make them an authorized vendor? But yet you have 2 good folks @Taver13 and @Donald Bickers who have been here almost since the beginning of VU. This to me me seems fucked up! Period! Again what kind of Rule would allow someone to walk in and become a Verified Vendor when you VU already know these to good folks? This makes no sense! This placee seems to becoming more like ECF.

Seems you want your banner vendor to have a vendor sub forum, did they hit me up or request one, did you ask them?

 

[Donald Bickers]

I know when I have a problem the owner of Vaping Blips discusses it with me personally,i noticed vaping underground the owner never responded once here,that tells me a lot about this place,,,,and im not real sure I want to be part of it if that's how people are gonna be treated,,,,if this is grounds for banning me,,,,be my guest

 

[5150sick]

Did Vrod Vapors (I am assuming this is the one you guys mean?) hit you up about a vendor sub forum @SMOKIE ?

 

[5150sick]

This thread has been here for an hour and a fucking half.
Joe is busy and you know he has a Canadian guest.
All Joe is going to say is "Talk to @SMOKIE he handles vendor subforums and ads"
Do you really need HIM to come here and say that to you or is this about another issue entirely???

 

[Huckleberried]

Last I looked at the main page, Joe isn't even on right now. Tagging him doesn't drag him to his computer. Smokie is in charge of those areas.

 

[SMOKIE]

I know when I have a problem the owner of Vaping Blips discusses it with me personally,i noticed vaping underground the owner never responded once here,that tells me a lot about this place,,,,and im not real sure I want to be part of it if that's how people are gonna be treated,,,,if this is grounds for banning me,,,,be my guest

I am disusing it with you @Donald Bickers being here on the owners behalf. So what do you really want to know? We have set rules in place for sub forum vendors, and not sure why those two vendors mentioned do not have sub forums, maybe because they need to be in business 3 months and are not?

 

[OBDave]

does that answer your question

No, it doesn't. It tells me that the vendor in question has been a VU member for a short time, but it tells me nothing about how long they've been in business.

I'm not seeing any difference in the way the rules are enforced - if the rule is that the vendor has to have been established with a website in operation for three months, but there is no limit on how long they've been a member of VU (and it is), it appears the rule is being applied exactly the same for every business/member - except the business that's demanding that the rule be broken on their behalf.

I'm not in any way speaking on behalf of the forum here - I have a mod badge simply because I help clean up spam and move threads to the proper area, I'm in no way senior leadership or entitled to express their opinions. But to me this is a bad look, publicly whining without understanding policy.

 

[OBDave]

You are obviously are not a angel investor.

I most certainly am not. I'm an individual who has owned and operated several businesses over the years, however, and who has explored numerous others.

I also make my own liquid - I've become quite good at it, and I mix for a handful of people who give me feedback and help me refine my recipes. I've even considered making it a business.

But I don't have a business license or company organization set up (for this particular venture). I don't have a brick-and-mortar store, a professional mixing lab, or a website advertising my products. Therefore I'd say that I'm researching the possibility of starting a liquid business, but I don't already operate one.

Once my business is legally established and my website is up and running (if I even decide this is a viable venture given all the other things on my plate at the moment), that's when I'll consider it a legitimate business. And even though I've also been here since the early days, and I have a pretty good working relationship with the staff here, I wouldn't consider asking them to bend the rules for me when everyone else has to wait three months before getting a free (wow, what a deal!) venue to promote myself - I'd start a thread in Unlisted Vendors where anyone who doesn't meet the simple criteria for getting a free (yep, free!) subforum has always had the right to do - and on day 91, as per the rules all of us follow, I'd PM SMOKIE and ask him how to get set up.

That's just my take.

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

Did Vrod Vapors (I am assuming this is the one you guys mean?) hit you up about a vendor sub forum @SMOKIE ?

I would also like to know this....

 

[Cruel-Phate]

I am reading through this thread and I don't understand what the problem is....Rob and Don have been on this forum for long time and they been a established vendor for a while now, "sure feels like a misunderstanding because by VU rules they should be recognized as a vendor here. What gives? I totally vouch for there existence as a vendor I can see why they would be irritated

 

[Huckleberried]

Have they been in business for 3 months?? If so, they simply need to apply for their sub-forum. That's all.

 

[SMOKIE]

I would also like to know this....

I have no record of them requesting a sub forum. The only reasons they would get turned down is not qualifying with the 3 months in business, does not want to use our VU banner, or sells other items against our TOS

 

[5150sick]

I have been a member for a long time.
If I decided to bottle and sell my 5 all day vapes that are all made by me I'd at least wait the 3 months then I'd hit up @SMOKIE and find out what I had to do next.

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

Im gonna add my two cents, as if it matters.
Ive been in close contact with both of these guys for the last 6months via the pif 5.0 and 5.1 box. I have talked with both of them enough to know they are both decent people who are just trying to make a business work. . If they are not official VU vendors by now and have applied, something extremely fishy is going on.

 

[5150sick]

Jesus Christ!!! They never ASKED in the first fucking place?!?!
There's your sign!

 

[Donald Bickers]

I have no record of them requesting a sub forum. The only reasons they would get turned down is not qualifying with the 3 months in business, does not want to use our VU banner, or sells other items against our TOS

Jesus Christ!!! They never ASKED in the first fucking place?!?!
There's your sign!

that's a fucking lie
http://vapingunderground.com/conversations/vendor-status.9336/