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snake94115

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I never put anyone on ignore on any site I post on because group conversation context gets lost that way. I value having the complete context of a group conversation to comprehend over not having to read annoying posts.

Steve is real easy to manage compared to some of the people I have dealt with in the past. I'll just treat him as a pathetically amusing source of humor is all. Just trying to make lemonade out of lemons.
In 20+ years of being online I've only ignored 3 people ever.Mostly for the same reason.
Too stupid to deal with.
You know the kind of person I mean.
Literally dumber than a sock of rocks.
 

snake94115

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Oh, I know what it really means. I just had to put my own personal example out there.

I don't travel between both coasts and certainly don't own a home on each coast but just thought I'd share.
No worries...Cheers!
 

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Well SteveS45 is a special case.
Pretty sure he double dipped into that particular gene pool and hit every damn branch of the (extra stupid tree of woe) him and a few others make posting on the forums unpleasant at times.
Luckily there are far more good people than trolls here.
The sad thing is he probably thinks he is being cool and popular by behaving like that. I can understand someone under 16 y/o living in a dysfunctional household thinking like that but I'm sure he is well into adulthood (physically but not mentally).

His sidekick Skoldvape doesn't seem to be as trendy identifying but does seem to be a plain sheeplish follower attaching himself to the worst person on this forum possible. Skoldvape will virtue signal whomever appears to be leading a thread conversation only to attack that person (foul language and all) when he perceives a new person is leading the conversation.
 

Polargirl

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In 20+ years of being online I've only ignored 3 people ever.Mostly for the same reason.
Too stupid to deal with.
You know the kind of person I mean.
Literally dumber than a sock of rocks.
Yup, I know the type of person.

I don't put anyone on ignore on any forum that I post on because group conversation context gets lost that way and I value that context over being spared reading posts from people like Steve.
 
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gbalkam

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I never put anyone on ignore on any site I post on because group conversation context gets lost that way. I value having the complete context of a group conversation to comprehend over not having to read annoying posts.

Steve is real easy to manage compared to some of the people I have dealt with in the past. I'll just treat him as a pathetically amusing source of humor is all. Just trying to make lemonade out of lemons.
I have several people on ignore. Sometimes, you have to. They argue points they have no knowledge about. Even when more than ample proof and sources are provided. Chances are, any valid contribution they have will be made by another user anyway, and nobody needs misinformation. Sometimes there are valid arguments that get worked out in the thread, and sometimes one party is just firmly set and will ignore any help given. (such as one user, just new to vaping purchased a mechanical mod, and was bound and determined to use 0.10 ohm coils, regardless of multiple warnings)
I know some people do build that low, but those people know exactly what they are doing and the risks.
 

MyMagicMist

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I know some people do build that low, but those people know exactly what they are doing and the risks.

I know one or two like that. The lowest I allow myself to push on a single cell mech is 0.20 for a bit yet. One of the one or two I know, has advised that as long as I'm using the appropriate batteries and was cautious, that's fine.This forum user builds coils at the Jedi master level and seems keen to be almost as good as grand master Yoda. So, I feel confident in trusting their advise.
 

snake94115

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I know one or two like that. The lowest I allow myself to push on a single cell mech is 0.20 for a bit yet. One of the one or two I know, has advised that as long as I'm using the appropriate batteries and was cautious, that's fine.This forum user builds coils at the Jedi master level and seems keen to be almost as good as grand master Yoda. So, I feel confident in trusting their advise.
About the best I've seen here on the forums was @raymo2u that kid had some serious coiling skills.I haven't seen him post in a while though.
 

gbalkam

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I know one or two like that. The lowest I allow myself to push on a single cell mech is 0.20 for a bit yet. One of the one or two I know, has advised that as long as I'm using the appropriate batteries and was cautious, that's fine.This forum user builds coils at the Jedi master level and seems keen to be almost as good as grand master Yoda. So, I feel confident in trusting their advise.
I build low like that but only for cloud chasing builds. But then, I also know what batteries I am using, and what the stress tests are, and what to do if something goes wrong. I got bored with that though, so usually just build cloud builds for regulated mods. The lower you build on a mech the faster the battery heats and the less reaction time you have. So you also have to know how long it is going to take your battery to heat to its max safe limit. (usually 100C), how long the test pulses were (5 seconds) and how long you fire on an average pull. Coil building, even at grand jedi master ghost of Yoda level has nothing to do with it, provided you have no shorts and hit the correct resistance. However.. 0.20 ohm is perfectly fine. 20A CDR = 0.21 ohm CDR. In other words.. if you fired your 0.20 ohm build constantly until the battery was discharged, the battery would heat up a bit more than at 0.21 ohm but not exceed 100C. Provided you use good batteries, which most do.
 

MyMagicMist

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I build low like that but only for cloud chasing builds. But then, I also know what batteries I am using, and what the stress tests are, and what to do if something goes wrong. I got bored with that though, so usually just build cloud builds for regulated mods. The lower you build on a mech the faster the battery heats and the less reaction time you have. So you also have to know how long it is going to take your battery to heat to its max safe limit. (usually 100C), how long the test pulses were (5 seconds) and how long you fire on an average pull. Coil building, even at grand jedi master ghost of Yoda level has nothing to do with it, provided you have no shorts and hit the correct resistance. However.. 0.20 ohm is perfectly fine. 20A CDR = 0.21 ohm CDR. In other words.. if you fired your 0.20 ohm build constantly until the battery was discharged, the battery would heat up a bit more than at 0.21 ohm but not exceed 100C. Provided you use good batteries, which most do.

Well I'm using just one step below what Mooch suggests as batteries. LG HB6 18650 1500mAh 30A Battery is what I'm using. If I recall correctly these do rate at around the actual 30 CDR, even if I'm recalling that incorrectly, do know they are good batteries. I pulse 5-7 seconds when taking a hit, being a long slow draw kind. Middle of the road on cloud chasing or flavor flirting here, to me both got pros and cons that balance them out on whole. Granted I like using a thick VG% for a mix, enjoy seeing some cloud at least. I could see some but not as robust, or flavorful on tanks, Evods and that was more miss than hit too. Using RDAs I can peel out decent clouding so long as I'm not down on the battery too low, and I'm finding where that is now. :)
 

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Is he the VU alpha coil dude -- kind of like what Mooch is to batteries or to a far lesser extent, Anthony Vapes is to mods?

Yes, he quite possibly is that indeed. I would not call him that directly though. He might be like me in that respect, 'hangs back all mellow' and only steps in when and where needed for a gentle course of things correcting. I don't exactly hide from being head of household, in fact three different grandfather's sort of dropped 'head of three houses' at my feet, chuckled and walked off. I was no where near ready. To them there was no such state as 'not ready'.

As I say I don't hide but I prefer to use a gentle hand. Besides that I'm nothing but a shadow, or flicker of passing Light as it runs off to go do the next six needed things. Nothing here to me without a family or three, they're the 'big dogs' in my eyes. Figure if @raymo2u is anywhere like that, he too kind of hangs back and denies being anything but 'some guy'. *grin* "I am Sparticus but then so is @gbalkam, @Train, @chopdoc, @snake94115, and you, yourself." *grin*

Imagine a mod squad coming through where we're all hung out for a bit. "Who is your group's leader," the captain of their vanguard barks.

"I think it's my day, or maybe it was @DogMan 's, hm might have been @SirVtHondaGuy08 's day but he pawned it off on somebody. I'll be your daisy, though, " I chime in and then someone else tells him that I'm the damn nut job that don't know nuthin, they're the daisy and so on it goes. :)
 
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Yes, he quite possibly is that indeed. I would not call him that directly though. He might be like me in that respect, 'hangs back all mellow' and only steps in when and where needed for a gentle course of things correcting. I don't exactly hide from being head of household, in fact three different grandfather's sort of dropped 'head of three houses' at my feet, chuckled and walked off. I was no where near ready. To them there was no such state as 'not ready'.

As I say I don't hide but I prefer to use a gentle hand. Besides that I'm nothing but a shadow, or flicker of passing Light as it runs off to go do the next six needed things. Nothing here to me without a family or three, they're the 'big dogs' in my eyes. Figure if @raymo2u is anywhere like that, he too kind of hangs back and denies being anything but 'some guy'. *grin* "I am Sparticus but then so is @gbalkam, @Train, @chopdoc, @snake94115, and you, yourself." *grin*

Imagine a mod squad coming through where we're all hung out for a bit. "Who is your group's leader," the captain of their vanguard barks.

"I think it's my day, or maybe it was @DogMan 's, hm might have been @SirVtHondaGuy08 's day but he pawned it off on somebody. I'll be your daisy, though, " I chime in and then someone else tells him that I'm the damn nut job that don't know nuthin, they're the daisy and so on it goes. :)
You should see my contact with the FDA, Health Canada, News agencies (publishing that click bait popular theory crap), Harvard University, and some dumb ass Dr whose finding contradict WHO, Royal college of physicians, and hundreds of other who used scientific method to get proper results. I'm comparatively gentle to even the densest forum members. LOL. I even asked Health Canada where I could get some of that magical non addictive nicotine used in patches and nicotine gum after reading they saying it was "highly addictive" Their story changed pretty fast.
 

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So the VU alpha coil member is a contest? If so, this needs to be its own thread.

If it is I forgot to notice. *chuckles* What I was trying to say was we're all alphas in our own way. Human beings are the most powerful creatures of all. We all have awareness well, most all of us anyway. We all can grasp potentiality by the short hairs and ride it down to give up say a Microsoft, a Snapple, a Smok Tech, a Kanger, an Inokinn, some castle in the sky. You can go out and create a billion dollar company that gives you everything and then some.

I can too. All of us can, that's potentiality. It is part of the gift of life for human beings. There's no need for competition despite cultural mores suggesting there exists such.
 

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If it is I forgot to notice. *chuckles* What I was trying to say was we're all alphas in our own way. Human beings are the most powerful creatures of all. We all have awareness well, most all of us anyway. We all can grasp potentiality by the short hairs and ride it down to give up say a Microsoft, a Snapple, a Smok Tech, a Kanger, an Inokinn, some castle in the sky. You can go out and create a billion dollar company that gives you everything and then some.

I can too. All of us can, that's potentiality. It is part of the gift of life for human beings. There's no need for competition despite cultural mores suggesting there exists such.

I've always thought that those with a need to compete have a deep-seated feeling of inadequacy. If one is secure in oneself, there is no need to compete.

Andria
 

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If it is I forgot to notice. *chuckles* What I was trying to say was we're all alphas in our own way. Human beings are the most powerful creatures of all. We all have awareness well, most all of us anyway. We all can grasp potentiality by the short hairs and ride it down to give up say a Microsoft, a Snapple, a Smok Tech, a Kanger, an Inokinn, some castle in the sky. You can go out and create a billion dollar company that gives you everything and then some.

I can too. All of us can, that's potentiality. It is part of the gift of life for human beings. There's no need for competition despite cultural mores suggesting there exists such.
I've always thought that those with a need to compete have a deep-seated feeling of inadequacy. If one is secure in oneself, there is no need to compete.

Andria

Maybe alpha was a poor choice of wording. A true leader for each subject is needed or you end up like the other threads where no one knows whose advice to take.

This is why functional universities usually make their best subject matter expert their chairperson.

It isn't meant to Foster competition. Quite the opposite. Like research universities, it is meant to better organize collaboration.
 

snake94115

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Whos Coilpro?

Contest isnt needed, but I always like to look at work others have done :cool::D
I think his name is AJ

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PS : WELCOME BACK
 

MyMagicMist

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I think his name is AJ

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PS : WELCOME BACK

Nice staggered fused/alien Clapton. I am starting to appreciate simply fused Claptons. Been playing with them this past week to learn making them. I as usual am doing it the hard way. I do most of the twisting/wrapping by hand using only vise grip pliers to hold a bitter.

Wound up a possibly odd combination earlier this evening/night. It was a fused SS 316 28 awg *2 wrapped with 28 awg SS 316. Put that on the ChiNaRDA deck and am enjoying it now. :) Did not check the net Ω, having issues w/ ohm reader, klutz me dropped the meter which has it going a little wonky. ...

Alright, I just did check Mr. Coil. The meter says he's running ~ 0.37 to 0.40 Ω, had figured about there as I used 3 mm ID at 5 wraps. Still plenty safe on a single "good" 18650 battery mod. :) Getting fair to middling' on estimating what I'm netting, had figured this at 0.35, not too fer off where he's at. :)

Note to self: DO NOT encourage bad practices by not testing builds on an ohm meter, even if you're reasonably sure of an average Ω. Experience is no substitute for safety. "Always remember, safety number one priority" -- Mad Russian Hacker
 
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MyMagicMist

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Maybe alpha was a poor choice of wording. A true leader for each subject is needed or you end up like the other threads where no one knows whose advice to take.

This is why functional universities usually make their best subject matter expert their chairperson.

It isn't meant to Foster competition. Quite the opposite. Like research universities, it is meant to better organize collaboration.

The WEBLOS of the Boy Scouts call that Aleeka, it's a Native American word (Sioux I believe) meaning wise counseling teacher. Yep, was a boy scout. Left that when I had done enough with my uncle's supervision and verification, I had earned Arrow Of Light at age 13, the BSA doesn't allow boys under 18 to attain the actual award.

*chuckles* I also had implemented the Boddie-Noelle (Hardee's) cleanliness and good practices policy in our store. This policy had been labeled Hardee's Operation Standard 2000 as they wanted it worked toward and starting to be in place in 2000. I was erm, five or eight years ahead of them. The health inspectors hated me, I had to actually stop work, go put something minor amiss so they could dock us at least a point.

I'm a weirdo, I do too much and still think I'm doing nothing.
 

snake94115

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Nice staggered fused/alien Clapton. I am starting to appreciate simply fused Claptons. Been playing with them this past week to learn making them. I as usual am doing it the hard way. I do most of the twisting/wrapping by hand using only vise grip pliers to hold a bitter.

Wound up a possibly odd combination earlier this evening/night. It was a fused SS 316 28 awg *2 wrapped with 28 awg SS 316. Put that on the ChiNaRDA deck and am enjoying it now. :) Did not check the net Ω, having issues w/ ohm reader, klutz me dropped the meter which has it going a little wonky. ...

Alright, I just did check Mr. Coil. The meter says he's running ~ 0.37 to 0.40 Ω, had figured about there as I used 3 mm ID at 5 wraps. Still plenty safe on a single "good" 18650 battery mod. :) Getting fair to middling' on estimating what I'm netting, had figured this at 0.35, not too fer off where he's at. :)

Note to self: DO NOT encourage bad practices by not testing builds on an ohm meter, even if you're reasonably sure of an average Ω. Experience is no substitute for safety. "Always remember, safety number one priority" -- Mad Russian Hacker
Not sure what it was.I'll take your word for it though.
As a tank guy with almost zero coil-wrapping knowledge.I'll leave most of that chatter to people who know what the hell they're doing.
The last RDA I used was an IGO-W2 I think.
I exclusively used triple twisted 32g and made teeny 5 wrap seriously sloppy-assed micro coils.And that is where my coil wrapping knowledge stops.
 

MyMagicMist

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The last RDA I used was an IGO-W2 I think.
I exclusively used triple twisted 32g and made teeny 5 wrap seriously sloppy-assed micro coils.And that is where my coil wrapping knowledge stops.

That is one big reason I got away from tanks, damn micro-coils that are a PITA to build. I will seldom build a coil at 2.5 mm Inner Diameter, preferring to build at 3 mm Inner Diameter. At times I'm half tempted to attempt setting up one of those IGO-W2s up to squonk. Then, I recall it is likely they would require a micro-coil and the process from thought to action is prone to defenestration. Of course, I probably ought to build micro-coils as a masochistic meditation to improve patients and calmness in dealing with stupidity. Ha! But I don't have to, muhahaha. :)

♪♫♬"Home on the NaRDA where only mild whistle can be heard / Riding on the Gorge and hearing only vapor settle on the furniture/ No, no more micro-coils for me"♪♫♬

Only wish I could carry a tune.
 

snake94115

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That is one big reason I got away from tanks, damn micro-coils that are a PITA to build. I will seldom build a coil at 2.5 mm Inner Diameter, preferring to build at 3 mm Inner Diameter. At times I'm half tempted to attempt setting up one of those IGO-W2s up to squonk. Then, I recall it is likely they would require a micro-coil and the process from thought to action is prone to defenestration. Of course, I probably ought to build micro-coils as a masochistic meditation to improve patients and calmness in dealing with stupidity. Ha! But I don't have to, muhahaha. :)

♪♫♬"Home on the NaRDA where only mild whistle can be heard / Riding on the Gorge and hearing only vapor settle on the furniture/ No, no more micro-coils for me"♪♫♬

Only wish I could carry a tune.
Not sure why but making micro-coils was easy for me.The hard part was getting that thin of a wire to cooperate in twisting 30 works better but the ohms are much lower than what I like.So it required a bit of patience and my having to wear glasses.But in the end I got some really great tasting thick clouds.But once the hands got to the point where even making a simple coil hurt I quit making them and went the tank route.
 

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So it required a bit of patience and my having to wear glasses.But in the end I got some really great tasting thick clouds.But once the hands got to the point where even making a simple coil hurt I quit making them and went the tank route.

So far, I can get by the arthritis. What does me in is the nerve trouble. It can come along at any random time and varies from dull to double you over feeling like someone stabbed a hot ice pick through you and then froze it instantly. Muscles tend to disobey what the brain is saying do when locally the nerves are seizing and causing muscles to do all kinds of zany stuff, hitting myself involuntarily for one, tossing a full cup of hot coffee on my keyboard, torquing out the back nearly like Exorcist style "Oh look I can spin all the way around at the waist". I now need "readers" for reading and working in detail on things. Vision is still fine save for that.
 

snake94115

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So far, I can get by the arthritis. What does me in is the nerve trouble. It can come along at any random time and varies from dull to double you over feeling like someone stabbed a hot ice pick through you and then froze it instantly. Muscles tend to disobey what the brain is saying do when locally the nerves are seizing and causing muscles to do all kinds of zany stuff, hitting myself involuntarily for one, tossing a full cup of hot coffee on my keyboard, torquing out the back nearly like Exorcist style "Oh look I can spin all the way around at the waist". I now need "readers" for reading and working in detail on things. Vision is still fine save for that.
No arthritis here just severe nerve damage in both hands.Which is not only painful but it occasionally will cause me to do completely random things.
Toss full cup of coffee onto the floor instead of sitting it down on the table.
Stab myself while trying to eat.
Slam my hand into the wall instead of turning the rheostat/dimmer switch.
Luckily I've yet to hurt myself badly just some minor cuts bruises.
But it is still very fucking annoying.
Oh and then there's the shaking too...Also fucking annoying.
 

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Oh and then there's the shaking too...Also fucking annoying.

Still despite it all, you find reason to love living. :) They called in the morning for pilots to fly a mission that would probably see they did not return. The commanders told them, only insanity was required to accept a suicide mission and if they chose to not fly it well then apparently they were insane as well for disobeying command. In either case the pilots were pressed to fly the missions. This was the origins of the story of Catch 22, happened during WW II.

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This is similar to the image below.

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This explains using a bypass, or coil to set up a circuit & switch. It comes in handy for means of current based bomb fuses, or as we're doing for vaping. To me it illustrates potentiality, a third state between positive and negative. It is balance, or neutral. A lot of folks will deny such a third state exists. Of course, lot still think the Earth is flat too.

Apologies for going way out from the original subject matter. Having a morning of putting pieces together,
 

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If you're getting headaches when you vape you might want to ease down your nicotine level a bit.Also make sure to drink lots of water when you vape.Vaping can & will dehydrate you so stay hydrated.
Like this kind of idea.
That's why I vape 0mg juice or liquid, which is good for health and social activities.
 

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I started out vaping at about 8w; now I vape at about 9.5w -- and I've been vaping over 3 and a half yrs. Just because now one CAN vape at some godawful extreme wattage, doesn't necessarily mean that one SHOULD.

Andria
Makes sense.
 

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Good for you.Just keep in mind having a cigarette every once in a while is alright.

Don't feel like that.
I been vaping for a few years now & I still use my old (Ego-Type) every so often.

Cut down on your nicotine level and stay hydrated.
Great advice. Thanks!
 

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Hi all! I have been smoking for most of my life. I quit for 8 months once using a cheap vape pen I had bought on ebay. When it died I couldn't find a good replacement. Ultimately I went back to smoking.

I have been reading on multiple forums and review sites trying to find a long term quality solution. Unfortunately I feel overwhelmed by all the different mods, kits, tanks, coils, ect.

I was concidering a joyetech cuboid 150w and aspire nautilus mini. However, what sounds good on one forum or review is complete garbage on another.

I would like to purchase something ASAP do to health issues and other personal reasons.

I am hoping that somebody can point me in the right direction with a specific build/setup. If there is a solid ready to go setup I'm up for that. If I need to mix and match I'm up for that. Here is what I am looking for. Be very specific with brand and model.

Mod and/or kit
Tank
Fluid
Future proof/quailty/upgradable?
Vendor if you know a good one.

Again, this is meant to aid in quitting smoking. I would prefer it to be semi future proof as I don't want to replace it on a regular basis. I don't mind if I have to do basic maintenance such as, coil replacement or rebuilds.

I am not too concerned about cost as smoking cost me around $200 a month. Not to mention the health cost, both dental and medical.

Your help is greatly appreciated.
Hi and welcom to this family. Dual use of cigarette and e-cig may be helpful in the beginning.
 
I've been off analog cigs completely for about 6 years now. At first I would still keep a pack around and smoke when I felt like I needed to, now I don't need to or want to. I've been through many setups along the way and it's all been really fun for me, almost like a hobby.

My advice would be to find something that works for you and you enjoy toking on. That and don't feel like you need to completely quit smoking to pick up vaping, it's more of a process than that. It took me a solid two years to put analogs down completely but I'm much better for it now and enjoy vaping much more than I ever did smoking.

Good luck! You're on the right track.
 

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I've been off analog cigs completely for about 6 years now. At first I would still keep a pack around and smoke when I felt like I needed to, now I don't need to or want to. I've been through many setups along the way and it's all been really fun for me, almost like a hobby.

My advice would be to find something that works for you and you enjoy toking on. That and don't feel like you need to completely quit smoking to pick up vaping, it's more of a process than that. It took me a solid two years to put analogs down completely but I'm much better for it now and enjoy vaping much more than I ever did smoking.

Good luck! You're on the right track.

I agree, as long as you're heading in the right direction (cutting down or quitting), then how long it takes to get there isn't really critical -- it takes as long as it takes, because trying to forcefully impose it on yourself is a good way to get stressed and resentful about it, and that's absolutely counterproductive.

Andria
 
I agree, as long as you're heading in the right direction (cutting down or quitting), then how long it takes to get there isn't really critical -- it takes as long as it takes, because trying to forcefully impose it on yourself is a good way to get stressed and resentful about it, and that's absolutely counterproductive.

Andria

Well said, every analog cig you avoid smoking via vaping is a move in the right direction without a doubt.
 

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