i have tried everything and still cannot get any flavour out of my kanger topbox mini. That pre wrapped could tasted like shit. I tried 3 different wicking methods and it all tasted the same to me. I bought 28g kanthal and tried 6 and 7 wraps of all different sizes. I tried spaced coils and tightly wrapped coils, EVERYTHING! And it all tastes the same... Like shit. What am I doing wrong?
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Almost ready to give up on rba
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^^^ hahaha ah shit, that must be the problem. I am getting flavour out of other tanks, yes. I have been vaping for a couple months and I haven't had a smoke since the day I got my first vape. I got some other pre wrapped coils for my kanger mini and got a dripper for my istick so will just have to fiddle with the rba to get it right. I believe my problem is just too high resistance
It's very common to have vapor's tongue at just a couple of months (and for some people even longer). Have you tried the 0.5 ohm coils?
I had vapers tongue about a month ago. That's not it. My favorite coil was the .5 Clapton that comes with the kit. I got a couple .2 kanthal coils and some .5 pre wrapped wire today so I'll just fiddle with rba building between coils and hopefully I figure it out. Any suggestions on a good 28g kanthal build and wick method for flavour? Guy at the store suggested I read up on the Scottish wick method. Once I figure out the wire, I will then try out different wicking methods to see what I like best. The juice I use most often is a 70/30 mix
What is vapor tongue ?
When you get too used to the flavors (specific and in general) and you stop getting that same enjoyment. Think eating a hamburger every day for lunch, after a while you stop liking it. Same type of thing though more annoying as sometimes changing flavors doesn't fix it. Drinking water is your first step of combat for it, brushing your teeth and using mouth wash helps, maybe gargle with some saltwater. And then having some spicey food usually helps me.
Kinda having a bout of it right now, but ehh still good enough.
There's a reason that a lot of rebuildable users do all sorts of different builds. I know I have my seasons with different coil types. Sometimes you gotta do a little more than play with different variations of the same build. Different builds with different power needs in different RDA's can evoke different things in different flavors. It's not something to be understated. Your build choice can make all of the difference.
Just keep tinkering until you find a build that makes a juice you like taste like something completely new. I can't tell you what will give you the balance you need to enjoy flavors again. You're going to have to identify what makes a good vape for you and start isolating the parameters of your builds yourself. The number of factors and combinations are many and most are subjective.
In terms of mechanics and bare characteristics, it's easy for me or anyone else to tell you what you can do to get such and such result, but whether or not that'll wind up being to your liking is anybody's guess. Sometimes you just have to take what you know of what you liked in previous builds and put it to use in conceiving of builds that improve upon those or bring something new into the mix.
It's mostly a matter of intuition. It gets easier to find the right builds as you get to know what you really like in a build and come to understand what objective traits get you that result. This stuff can't be taught as easily as build theory can. It's something that we all go through and it's something we all have to get ourselves through. It's disappointing when your favorite configuration no longer does it for you, but that just means you're ready to progress to something better.
Maybe start by getting an assortment of wire gauges. I would recommend adding 24, 26, and maybe even 22 to your collection. Maybe pick up a couple hundred feet of 34 and 36 in case something leads you to try claptons. Limiting yourself to 28g in an RDA is a recipe for disappointment. I cannot stress enough how low of a ceiling you have by using just one type of wire. You can use thicker wires at higher power levels to get more flavor, more vapor, and different palettes of texture to play with. Different gauges have different paradigms and changing them out often has a drastic impact on the overall character of the vape.
Try some twisted builds. Parallels. Twisted Parallels. Claptons. Anything that you haven't done yet. Find a new RDA or RTA that's inexpensive, has appealing features, and gets high praise. As you familiarize yourself with a new device, you may find that your building tendencies change... ...maybe you get some new insights that translate to you doing better builds for atties you're more familiar with.
Little things like this contribute a lot to one's ability to coax a satisfying vape out of a rebuildable device. Be patient and break it all down. Identify as many options as you can and try them all! Take the time to test every little parameter you can think of. Trial and error. Vape and learn.
"Zen and the Art of Coiling" aside. Try twisting that 28g up. Shoot to be in the ballpark of .2-.3. Add another strand to your parallels. Dual triple-parallel 28g at .16-.2 produces warm, lush flavor, though for someone at the point you're at, the kick and heat may be overbearing. It's definitely better suited to something with very wide-open airflow.
Almost forgot about wicking... ...the general rule of thumb is to use as little cotton as you can get away with. You should just barely feel any resistance as you run it through the coil. Also keep it as short as possible. For drippers, you want it just long enough to rest on the deck. This is to facilitate better airflow under, around, and between the coils. For tanks, you want it just long enough to reach the intake, as the shorter it is, the faster the juice gets from the tank to the coil.
Unless you're doing the scottish roll method, keep it fluffy - don't roll it or twist it tight. Baby it. If you're using pads, cut strips along the grain so you have straight channels going through the wick.
EDIT: LOL "Train and error" thanks FF spellcheck. Oh how I wish you had reading comprehension. Then you'd know that's not a thing that anyone would say.
Just keep tinkering until you find a build that makes a juice you like taste like something completely new. I can't tell you what will give you the balance you need to enjoy flavors again. You're going to have to identify what makes a good vape for you and start isolating the parameters of your builds yourself. The number of factors and combinations are many and most are subjective.
In terms of mechanics and bare characteristics, it's easy for me or anyone else to tell you what you can do to get such and such result, but whether or not that'll wind up being to your liking is anybody's guess. Sometimes you just have to take what you know of what you liked in previous builds and put it to use in conceiving of builds that improve upon those or bring something new into the mix.
It's mostly a matter of intuition. It gets easier to find the right builds as you get to know what you really like in a build and come to understand what objective traits get you that result. This stuff can't be taught as easily as build theory can. It's something that we all go through and it's something we all have to get ourselves through. It's disappointing when your favorite configuration no longer does it for you, but that just means you're ready to progress to something better.
Maybe start by getting an assortment of wire gauges. I would recommend adding 24, 26, and maybe even 22 to your collection. Maybe pick up a couple hundred feet of 34 and 36 in case something leads you to try claptons. Limiting yourself to 28g in an RDA is a recipe for disappointment. I cannot stress enough how low of a ceiling you have by using just one type of wire. You can use thicker wires at higher power levels to get more flavor, more vapor, and different palettes of texture to play with. Different gauges have different paradigms and changing them out often has a drastic impact on the overall character of the vape.
Try some twisted builds. Parallels. Twisted Parallels. Claptons. Anything that you haven't done yet. Find a new RDA or RTA that's inexpensive, has appealing features, and gets high praise. As you familiarize yourself with a new device, you may find that your building tendencies change... ...maybe you get some new insights that translate to you doing better builds for atties you're more familiar with.
Little things like this contribute a lot to one's ability to coax a satisfying vape out of a rebuildable device. Be patient and break it all down. Identify as many options as you can and try them all! Take the time to test every little parameter you can think of. Trial and error. Vape and learn.
"Zen and the Art of Coiling" aside. Try twisting that 28g up. Shoot to be in the ballpark of .2-.3. Add another strand to your parallels. Dual triple-parallel 28g at .16-.2 produces warm, lush flavor, though for someone at the point you're at, the kick and heat may be overbearing. It's definitely better suited to something with very wide-open airflow.
Almost forgot about wicking... ...the general rule of thumb is to use as little cotton as you can get away with. You should just barely feel any resistance as you run it through the coil. Also keep it as short as possible. For drippers, you want it just long enough to rest on the deck. This is to facilitate better airflow under, around, and between the coils. For tanks, you want it just long enough to reach the intake, as the shorter it is, the faster the juice gets from the tank to the coil.
Unless you're doing the scottish roll method, keep it fluffy - don't roll it or twist it tight. Baby it. If you're using pads, cut strips along the grain so you have straight channels going through the wick.
EDIT: LOL "Train and error" thanks FF spellcheck. Oh how I wish you had reading comprehension. Then you'd know that's not a thing that anyone would say.
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Oh shut your noise..and sound off like you gotta pair,stop sniveling and get back in the trenches....
everybody has to pay their dues it's a learning curve, and really building a set up in a dripper is probablly the easiest vaping set up there is..I mean look even cloud chasers can figure it out...it can't be that hard.....everybody here has said the same thing at one point or another and thrown an atty or two across the room, but you can do it.....besides you don't want to vape pre made coils......women don't have sex with men who use premade coils...childeren chase them and throw garbage at them...they wind up alone and despised, eventually taking their own lives.
everybody has to pay their dues it's a learning curve, and really building a set up in a dripper is probablly the easiest vaping set up there is..I mean look even cloud chasers can figure it out...it can't be that hard.....everybody here has said the same thing at one point or another and thrown an atty or two across the room, but you can do it.....besides you don't want to vape pre made coils......women don't have sex with men who use premade coils...childeren chase them and throw garbage at them...they wind up alone and despised, eventually taking their own lives.
You're extremely limited in what builds/wire you can fit in the RBA section of the kanger subtanks. When I used them (before clapton wire became popular) I found a twisted build gave me the best flavor. But the flavor isn't that amazing in that RBA. You might try picking up an inexpensive RDA if you want to play around with builds.
Keep at it. I had trouble even building simple single coil builds on my Kanger RBA; leaking gurgling, cotton taste, no matter what I did it never turned out right. Then I bought a TFV4 and while bored late one night I broke it out and gave it another go. After some patience (of which I have very little to spare) it worked. After that I broke out the Kanger and that worked well too.
Just the other day I got my first RDA and although it came pre-built, I've been messing around re-wicking it today and it's a breeze. It's not pretty but it works better than any of the many tanks I own with pre-built coils. I'm going to keep at it and once it's something I can do in the dark I'm going to get the a Griffin, which I've wanted for a while.
It's liberating to get out from under the $15-$20 a pack coils. I'll still use them because my favorite tank, the Herakles Plus, does not have an RBA. Even if they did make one, the coils last forever and work really well.
Just the other day I got my first RDA and although it came pre-built, I've been messing around re-wicking it today and it's a breeze. It's not pretty but it works better than any of the many tanks I own with pre-built coils. I'm going to keep at it and once it's something I can do in the dark I'm going to get the a Griffin, which I've wanted for a while.
It's liberating to get out from under the $15-$20 a pack coils. I'll still use them because my favorite tank, the Herakles Plus, does not have an RBA. Even if they did make one, the coils last forever and work really well.
Ya, it is all down to lack of experience. I am enjoying the coil in my kanger right now but I built a coil between fill ups and I built something half decent. I could actually recognize the flavour of the juice so that's a plus lol. Little more reading and a few more attempts and I'm sure I'll be happy. Thanks again everyone