American Heart Association Calls for FDA Regulation to Help Quell Upswing in Teen Use of E-Cigarette

[5150sick]

American Heart Association Calls for FDA Regulation to Help Quell Upswing in Teen Use of E-Cigarettes

http://www.imperialvalleynews.com/i...uell-upswing-in-teen-use-of-e-cigarettes.html


"It’s no surprise that the use of e-cigarettes is on the upswing among this age group. The technology, accessibility, and candy flavorings of these products are a magnetic draw for teens. More importantly, their increased use parallels a dramatic drop in cigarette smoking over the last five years. Among adolescents, smoking is at its lowest rate since this survey began in 1975 – a milestone we would normally celebrate. But this great accomplishment has been overshadowed by a shift to electronic nicotine-delivery systems."

And this is bad because...??? - 5150

 

[vaperature]

Is there any evidence that nicotine damages the heart?

 

[freemind]

It's bad because kids shouldn't be using nicotine, like they don't need to be using alcohol. You won't convince the average person it should be ok kids are using nicotine.

 

[vaperature]

It's bad because kids shouldn't be using nicotine, like they don't need to be using alcohol. You won't convince the average person it should be ok kids are using nicotine.

But what does that have to do with the American Heart Association?

 

[Celtic Fog]

One mafia calling on another mafia to help keep their rats in a cage.....FUCK THE FDA AND FUCK THE AHA, while running backwards...with a broom stick. IMHO.

 

[5150sick]

The moral of the story: Among adolescents, smoking is at its lowest rate since this survey began in 1975
They are upset because kids aren't smoking???
I still don't get it.

 

[Celtic Fog]

yeah, they suck.

 

[freemind]

But what does that have to do with the American Heart Association?

Nicotine, like caffeine is a stimulant.

No one has long term studies of vaping done yet.

Surely you are not promoting that it's just fine for kids to use nicotine?

I don't see what is wrong with a medical association saying that kids should NOT have free access to nicotine. Because they shouldn't have.

 

[freemind]

The moral of the story: Among adolescents, smoking is at its lowest rate since this survey began in 1975
They are upset because kids aren't smoking???
I still don't get it.

They are upset at the free access to NICOTINE. That is pretty obvious. Why act like you can't see the point of the article?

 

[5150sick]

It's bad because kids shouldn't be using nicotine, like they don't need to be using alcohol. You won't convince the average person it should be ok kids are using nicotine.

Kids shouldn't be using nicotine which is correct.

But since as far back as I can remember puberty brings on rebellion, bad choices, and experimentation among teenagers.
Up until about 2010 a kid would act out, smoke cigarettes, become addicted for life, and 1/2 of those addicted would go on to DIE from this one bad choice.
Now it's changing and kids are not going on to become smokers.
This disproves 'public healths' gateway theory for like 4 years straight.
This year it's VERY noticeable percentage wise.

 

[vaperature]

Nicotine, like caffeine is a stimulant.

No one has long term studies of vaping done yet.

Surely you are not promoting that it's just fine for kids to use nicotine?

I don't see what is wrong with a medical association saying that kids should NOT have free access to nicotine. Because they shouldn't have.

I'm just pointing out that the American Heart Association is suppose to be about heart health, just like the American Lung Association is about lung health. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not saying it's fine for kids to consume nicotine, although I can think of plenty of worse things that kids consume and if they do consume nicotine I'd rather it be from vaping and not from smoking--but my point is, if there is no proof that it harms the heart, then the "heart" association should just butt out of it. The very fact that they are speaking out about it suggests by default that it is harmful to the heart.

 

[5150sick]

They are upset at the free access to NICOTINE. That is pretty obvious. Why act like you can't see the point of the article?

Asking the FDA to come in and do what the FDA is essentially already in the process of doing is repetitive and stupid.

Also in these states where vaping is not illegal for minors they had bills for minor bans on the table but they were opposed by these same groups because instead of a ban to minors they want a ban to minors AND a tax.

They would rather vaping be legal for minors for another year then not get the tax.

Who do we have to blame for this?
ALA, ACS, AHA, CFTFK, etc...

 

[5150sick]

The AHA has been calling on the FDA for tougher restriction on electronic cigarettes for children

They are upset at the free access to NICOTINE. That is pretty obvious. Why act like you can't see the point of the article?

If all ecigs became nicotine free today do you really think they would stop complaining?
They would come up with some bullshit about 'hand to mouth' and 'simulates smoking' then still use "what about the children".

They have been asking the FDA to step in and do what the FDA is already in the process of doing since that process started and even before:

https://www.google.com/#q=American+...ion+on+electronic+cigarettes+children&spell=1

What part of "We need to deem these things as 'tobacco' in order to be able to touch them at all" do these people not understand.
Like those zealot democrat senators said.
"We have this pesky little thing called the 'constitution' always getting in our way of us getting our way"

 

[BigNasty]

Fuck the children.
I am so tired of these piss poor politicos and fucking shitty parents pushing their bullshit on me due to their fucking failings as humans and as parents.

 

[Roger Schaeffer]

Just a convenient thing for the AHA to call for Stiff Regulation of Vapers Products. Refillable Vapor Products are cutting into States Tobacco Sin Tax Revenue and Big Pharma's NRT products sales. Both Fund the AHA . Story never changes-follow the money

 

[OB61887]

I understand why they are upset. In a perfect world they want teens to not smoke, vape, drink or do anything else dangerous. And just because this will never be a perfect world does not mean we should not try for one.

With that said, I would rather teens vape than smoke or drink.

 

[MD_Boater]

It's bad because kids shouldn't be using nicotine, like they don't need to be using alcohol. You won't convince the average person it should be ok kids are using nicotine.

I did not see any mention in the article if the kids were using eliquid with nicotine in it. If they aren't, the FDA regs won't help. No nicotine eliquid isn't going to be regulated under the deeming regs because no nic = not a tobacco product. This is a faulty survey if they didn't ask that question. If they did ask that question, they did not publish the results because they are hiding the information.

 

[BigNasty]

The whole nic = tobacco is just not fucking true and they are having a hard time proving it.

 

[OB61887]

The whole nic = tobacco is just not fucking true and they are having a hard time proving it.

It's awfully hard to prove something that is wrong.

 

[R3alJim Shady]

I have two small kids myself. They have ZERO access to my vaping supplies. Locked up in a cabinet and I don't vape around them so as not to leave anything around for them to get into. Ridiculous that we would regulate bc of bad parenting. Kids will do what kids will do and rebel and do things the shouldn't. They did the same thing with flavored analogs and PLENTY of idiot kids still smoked (myself included).

My understanding is that nicotine mimics caffeine in the body in way of its effects. I don't see anyone carding at Starbucks. When are these douche nozzles going to wake up?!


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[bigdaddybrink1]

The moral of the story: Among adolescents, smoking is at its lowest rate since this survey began in 1975
They are upset because kids aren't smoking???
I still don't get it.

because they, big tobacco used to get all the teens money. if u cant hookem as a teen or preteen u prolly wont hookem at all. eveyone says how great itd b if everyone cld quit, well we are and look the govt is pissed.
just my 2 cents

 

[freemind]

I did not see any mention in the article if the kids were using eliquid with nicotine in it. If they aren't, the FDA regs won't help. No nicotine eliquid isn't going to be regulated under the deeming regs because no nic = not a tobacco product. This is a faulty survey if they didn't ask that question. If they did ask that question, they did not publish the results because they are hiding the information.

I consider myself a pretty reasonable guy, who is a logical thinker, not an emotional knee jerker.
With that said.... Take into account your statement, that what if they are using e-liquid? How do we KNOW they are using nic?

THEN consider the articles that were written by the pro-vape side, sighting that kids would NOT spend their disposable cash on vape gear, as it is expensive. Instead, they would spend their money on video games or the hot electronic crap.

Both sides of this issue are flinging bullshit like it's a Frisbee. The difference is, the pro-vape side will absolutely LOSE this fight, unless they fess up that kids should NOT be using nicotine. Reasonable people, do NOT want kids using nic, or doing something to "simulate" smoking since there is a deep hatred with smokers/smoking.

IF vapers would come out and publically join the stance AGAINST kids using nicotine, then there would be common ground and REASONABLE people would be willing to LISTEN to vapers. Instead, the vape community cuts it's own throat and people WILL ignore them. You know, the people that matter.

Like it or hate it, vaping IS under attack because of nicotine. Continuing to discount the issue REASONABLE people have with kids using nic WILL be detrimental to our enjoyment. It is very apparent that this board doesn't care if kids are using it. I see it with my own eyes, and shop owners don't care either. Hope they made PILES of money, because now it's gonna be over. All thanks to trying to minimize the issues and sweep them under the rug.

 

[vaperature]

The thing is, I don't see anyone pushing vaping onto kids. Any website you go to makes you verify that you are 18 first before you can even enter and even if you lie about that, you'd need a credit card to purchase. Even in the states that haven't made it illegal yet for kids to buy the products, is anyone actually marketing them to kids? And let's define kids anyway. Are we talking about ten year olds or fifteen year olds. I was smoking cigarettes at 15, was smoking pot before that even. I think the vaping community has actually been very responsible and I've never seen or heard anyone trying to market the stuff to kids. But kids will be kids. I can think of way worse things for kids to be doing than experimenting with e-cigs so I just don't think it's worth all the fuss people are making about it.

 

[freemind]

You don't HAVE to think it's worth the fuss. Other people do. The kind of people that go overboard "protecting" us all from ourselves.

Kids have a tendency to do things to extremes. And that just proves itself out with kids getting into vaping. They want to chase clouds (read make BIG obnoxious clouds) and they want to POUND nic. Already had the discussion with locals. First thing they want with their first order of juice, is the MAXIMUM amount of nicotine.

I'm sure there are worse things for them to be doing, but reasonable people will not be ok with that excuse.

 

[MD_Boater]

@freemind - I hear what you are saying, but I believe that kids will be kids. When I was 12, my friends and I bought a pack of smokes and smoked them in the woods. We stole beer from our parents' fridge, and we even sipped the hard stuff in the liquor cabinet. Nothing the government could have, or currently can do, short of outright banning them, will stop kids from parroting adult behavior. This is a parenting issue, not a government or society issue.

 

[MD_Boater]

You don't HAVE to think it's worth the fuss. Other people do. The kind of people that go overboard "protecting" us all from ourselves.

Say it like it is. DEMOCRATS go overboard...

 

[vaperature]

You don't HAVE to think it's worth the fuss. Other people do. The kind of people that go overboard "protecting" us all from ourselves.

Kids have a tendency to do things to extremes. And that just proves itself out with kids getting into vaping. They want to chase clouds (read make BIG obnoxious clouds) and they want to POUND nic. Already had the discussion with locals. First thing they want with their first order of juice, is the MAXIMUM amount of nicotine.

I'm sure there are worse things for them to be doing, but reasonable people will not be ok with that excuse.

That would make sense to me if overdosing on nic was a pleasant experience but it's not. I have a hard time believing kids are really into "pounding nic" when all that would result in is nausea and a headache. I'm six foot three and weigh about 280 lbs and I can't even vape like that, so I have a hard time believing kids are buying 36mg juice and then cloud chasing it.

 

[freemind]

@freemind - I hear what you are saying, but I believe that kids will be kids. When I was 12, my friends and I bought a pack of smokes and smoked them in the woods. We stole b beer from our parents fridge, and we even sipped the hard stuff in the liquor cabinet. Nothing the government could have, or currently can do, short of outright banning them, will stop kids from parroting adult behavior. This is a parenting issue, not a government or society issue.

No, you are somewhat wrong. IF the sale of e-juice (even nic free) is prohibited to those under 18, then that should be enough to satisfy REASONABLE people. That should eliminate any issues people have.

Kids are kids, I know that much. But too many places openly sell to kids.

 

[freemind]

That would make sense to me if overdosing on nic was a pleasant experience but it's not. I have a hard time believing kids are really into "pounding nic" when all that would result in is nausea and a headache. I'm six foot three and weigh about 280 lbs and I can't even vape like that, so I have a hard time believing kids are buying 36mg juice and then cloud chasing it.

Well, some do. Seriously.

Bath salts and synthetic drugs were doing it too (making them sick as hell). Didn't stop them did it? How about drinking? How many kids throw up a lung, but turn right around and go right back at it? Kids are just kids

 

[vaperature]

Well, some do. Seriously.

Bath salts and synthetic drugs were doing it too (making them sick as hell). Didn't stop them did it? How about drinking? How many kids throw up a lung, but turn right around and go right back at it? Kids are just kids

I'm sorry I'm just not buying it. You don't get high off of nicotine like you do off of alcohol or synthetic drugs so there's no comparison. Kids are NOT stupid. Actually kids are smarter today than during any other generation ever due to such advanced technology that they have at their fingertips from the moment they are born. Personally I think buying into a false sense of hysteria just to appease those who are against vaping is the more dangerous approach. I don't see people marketing to kids so in my opinion, rather than pander to those who are falsely making that claim, they should be corrected about it.

 

[MD_Boater]

No, you are somewhat wrong. IF the sale of e-juice (even nic free) is prohibited to those under 18, then that should be enough to satisfy REASONABLE people. That should eliminate any issues people have.

Kids are kids, I know that much. But too many places openly sell to kids.

I have no problem making sales to people under 18 a crime. I also have no problem with allowing (or requiring) police officers to ticket anyone under 18 that possesses or uses either real cigarettes or a vape alternative.

 

[Roger Schaeffer]

I have no problem making sales to people under 18 a crime. I also have no problem with allowing (or requiring) police officers to ticket anyone under 18 that possesses or uses either real cigarettes or a vape alternative.

Police are Pretty Busy already do not think they have the time to be teenagers Nanny. What Police are good at is Tobacco Sales Compliance Checks. Seller gets fined for selling to under legal age whether its tobacco or alcohol. Depending on the State 2-3 fines lead to suspension of tobacco or Liquor License. In Minnesota fail 1 compliance check Mandatory age verification training for all employees.

 

[freemind]

I have no problem making sales to people under 18 a crime. I also have no problem with allowing (or requiring) police officers to ticket anyone under 18 that possesses or uses either real cigarettes or a vape alternative.

Great. We find something we both totally agree on.

I think if everyone agreed here, on both sides, much of the coming grief wouldn't come at all. I don't think Ejuice should be taxed like tobacco. I don't even think they should be doing banning or regulating on juice, barring a true safety concern.

But IF there are some kind of long term risks, I would not have a problem with requiring juice makers to put something on the label stating such.

One thing I worry about, is the demonizing of vaping and it effect to us non smokers, and jacking our insurance rates. Currently my health insurer is silent on the matter. I'd rather it stayed that way.

 

[5150sick]

My point is if I was 14 today and me and my friends were sneaking in the woods to vape I wouldn't have gotten addicted.
Remember when we were 14 we were called pussies if we didn't inhale and there was no such thing as 0 nic marlboros.

Ban vaping to minors in all states.
This would have already happened if these same groups that are complaining right now didn't REFUSE TO ENDORSE the bills because they wanted a ban to minors AND TAX. When they were offered just the ban they said NO!!!!.

They would rather have kids allowed to vape if they can not get their way with everything else (tax, Internet ban, flavor ban, etc...)

 

[5150sick]

Bills barely passed in other states why?
http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...ette-bill-passes-house-despite-criticism.html


Rhode Island Governor Chafee Does the Right Thing by Vetoing Legislation to Exempt E-Cigarettes from Health Regulations

WASHINGTON, DC – The Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids applauds Gov. Lincoln Chafee for protecting the health of Rhode Island residents by vetoing legislation to exempt electronic cigarettes from public health regulations. While masquerading as an effort to prevent e-cigarette sales to kids, the vetoed bill did not provide for effective enforcement and would have exempted e-cigarettes from other public health regulations intended to reduce tobacco use.


http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/press_releases/post/2013_07_18_ri



Gov. Nixon vetoes legislation that would have jeopardized public health by exempting e-cigarettes from tobacco laws

“This bill appears to be nothing more than a thinly disguised and cynical attempt to exempt e-cigarettes from taxes and regulations protecting public health,” Gov. Nixon said. “The FDA is already moving forward to ban the sale of these products to minors. Until more is known about the health effects of these products, letting tobacco companies off the hook with special loopholes would pose a real threat to Missourians’ health now and in the future.”

http://governor.mo.gov/news/archive...ld-have-jeopardized-public-health-exempting-e


I could go on all night. Now ask yourselves: Who's fault is it that ecigs are not banned in these states???

 

[5150sick]

What's Wrong Here? Michigan Medical Society Opposes Bill to Ban E-Cigarette Sales to Minors

The Michigan Medical Society has opposed legislation that would protect the public's health by prohibiting the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors.

If that sounds strange, I'll repeat it so that you realize this is accurate.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/07/whats-wrong-here-michigan-medical.html




Anti-Smoking Groups Reveal Real Reason they Opposed Ban on E-Cig Sales to Minors: Money and Protection of Cigarette Sales

Last week, the Missouri legislature overturned a veto by Governor Jay Nixon of a bill to ban the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors. Ironically, the bill was vigorously opposed by anti-smoking groups, including Tobacco-Free Missouri and the American Cancer Society and American Heart Association.


http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/09/anti-smoking-groups-reveal-real-reason.html




Rhode Island Anti-Smoking Groups Lobbying Against Ban on Electronic Cigarette Sales to Minors

A coalition of anti-smoking groups in Rhode Island, including the American Lung Association, American Cancer Society, and American Heart Association, is urging Governor Chafee to veto legislation passed by the Rhode Island House and Senate which would ban the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors.


http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/07/rhode-island-anti-smoking-groups.html

 

[5150sick]

AS The American Heart Association Lobbies Against Bans on Electronic Cigarette Sales to Minors The American Heart Association Calls for FDA Regulation to Help Quell Upswing in Teen Use of E-Cigarettes????

You can not be doing both.

Fighting a ban to minors then asking the FDA to hurry up with their ban to minors is flip flopping political bullshit.

Don't think for a second that all these alphabet soup groups aren't corrupt as fuck because they are.

 

[OB61887]

Money + Politics = Awesome.

 

[j1969n]

Would anyone agree that teens can vape as long as the juice had no nic?

Sent by my LG G2 filtered by the NSA for your approval.

 

[OB61887]

Until it is regulated, it is up to the parents but it would make me uncomfortable. I believe vaping paraphernalia should be treated as smoking paraphernalia in that it should not be sold to minors.

 

[j1969n]

I would not want my child vaping or smoking. With that said if he was gonna do one or the other, please vape 0 nic to be cool.

Sent by my LG G2 filtered by the NSA for your approval.

 

[OB61887]

I would not want my child vaping or smoking. With that said if he was gonna do one or the other, please vape 0 nic to be cool.

Sent by my LG G2 filtered by the NSA for your approval.