Another fused clapton question

[schondar]

Hey guys....
I've been doing some research on fused claptons. I'm interested in starting to build some. I've read that the core wires can be kanthal or nichrome. Like 2x26g kanthal for the core and 32g nichrome for the clapton wrap or 2x26g nichrome for the core wires and 32 gauge for the clapton wrap. Which method works the best ? And can fused claptons be all kanthal ? Maybe 2x24g kanthal for the core and 32g kanthal for the clapton wraps.
Thanks guys..

 

[raymo2u]

Outer wire it wont matter for which material, the core type matters.
Kanthal is a higher resistance and nichrome may ramp up faster.
You can make a All Kanthal coil, Kanthal D also works

 

[Zamazam]

You can also use SS cores for low resistance builds.

 

[Boattlebot]

My fused claptons are always all kanthal. Nothing against nichrome. Just havent gotten around ti playing with it yet. They work great. And there are so fun to play with. Personally whay i like about fused claptons are just how many variations their are of them and putting my own spin on them.

 

[schondar]

So the outside wire does not add to the coils resistance ? Just a juice trap more or less for flavor ? Do all kanthal claptons tend to have a slower ramp up time ? What sizes of kanthal would have a faster ramp up time and still perform well ?

 

[raymo2u]

Yes the outer wrap doesnt get factored into the resistance because it measures over 15.-30. Ohms. Its use is to absorb and hold juice and keep the overall temp of the core wire down, this makes for a experience with more depth and different nuances and notes you wouldnt get with normal wire.
No, using a thinner outer wrap leads to less ramp up time but provides the same webbing for the juice, anything higher then 36g will act less like a heatsink and wont slow ramp up. The core wire should be thought of as a way of measuring resistance, a thicker wire for the cores will lower your resistance and vice versa for thinner gauges.
My favorite Fused Clapton is 2 x 22g/46g, it has almost no ramp up at all and ramps up like a 22g parallel build.

 

[raymo2u]

Double Post..

 

[schondar]

Would a 2x22g kanthal core with 32g kanthal wrap be ok to start with ? I live in a small town and kanthal is so expensive here as well as nichrome....10 bucks for 10 feet...they sell the fuchai for 109.99.....So untill I can order some from somewhere cheaper this is all I have to work with.
Thanks for all the information guys...it's appreciated greatly

 

[raymo2u]

Would a 2x22g kanthal core with 32g kanthal wrap be ok to start with ? I live in a small town and kanthal is so expensive here as well as nichrome....10 bucks for 10 feet...they sell the fuchai for 109.99.....So untill I can order some from somewhere cheaper this is all I have to work with.
Thanks for all the information guys...it's appreciated greatly

Buy online, its much cheaper...Heres a link for 100ft of every guage from 22g-36g for less then $20 shipped. That should solve your issue with not having any.
With the 32g as your outer wrap it will have some ramp up time, most people use it as a standard outer wrap but I find it to be pretty thick stuff, but regardless it will do fine. Just make sure you can pump atleast 110w to it and you wont have much of an issue with it ramping up. Try it you may find its what your looking for!

 

[schondar]

Raymo2u....
I'm wanting to use this in my Griffin. You have a lot of experience with this RTA. would this build be good in it ? And also do you like normal wicking or a scottish roll with the Griffin ?

 

[raymo2u]

It needs the Cottish Roll Wicking but you clip the ends and just tuck the tips into the Ring, thats it and its done! Large Fused claptons do very well in the Griffin, the Bigger the Better!

Just about anything can fit in the Griffin, it holds bigger coils then any 22mm RTA and most 22mm RDA's. It hold bigger coils then a Twisted Messes RDA can fit with room left over. These are some of my builds in mine and you can see theres room left over, if these coils were in a RDA like a Twisted Messes they would touch the topcap and wouldnt fit.


Some builds from other members...these coils only fit in the Griffin or a 25mm VCMT or 24mm RDA and up!

 

[CrazyChef]

Similar to what raymo2u said, the higher the gauge of the outer binding wire, the better a fused Clapton will work. The principle behind the fused Clapton (and why it works so well) is that two juice channels get created when you put 2 core wires together. One above where they meet, and one below. When you bind the two core wires together, with a higher gauge wire binding the juice pretty much stays there and is rapidly replaced as it is vaporized. It gives a MUCH better flavor (and vapor production) than a standard Clapton. I personally like either 38 or 40 gauge wire for the binding, while the core wire gauges (and material) depends on what resistance level I'm trying to achieve.

Kanthal and nichrome work pretty much the same, as far as doing what a fused Clapton should do. Your choice of wire(s) really depends more on what resistance level you want to be at. You can even use one kanthal core and one nichrome core if you want. I still have to try that.

And then there's staging...

 

[CrazyChef]

So the outside wire does not add to the coils resistance ?

Actually, it does. But at a very low level - not enough to really consider. I don't know who started this rumor, but if you put two pieces of conductive wire between a negative and a positive terminal, there will be electricity in both wires. Granted, electricity will take the path of least resistance, and the bulk of the current will be carried by the core wires, but there will still be some electricity flowing in the smaller wire and WILL affect the resistance of your build, however small it may be..

 

[schondar]

I ended up making 2x24g core wrapped with 32g outer wraps and the vape was to hot for my liking at 115 watts. Any lower and the ramp up time was a good 3 to 4 seconds. They ended up being .12 ohms.
I'm trying to get around .20 to .25. Would a 2x28g core with an outer wrap of 32g (I don't have access to any thing smaller at the moment) with let's say 5 wrap dual claptons 3 mm get me closer and less ramp up time ?

 

[Boattlebot]

If you find it a little hot for your likeing id recomend better airflow. My madhatter cant handle claptons becuase its not enough airflow to them but my lush and alliance love them.
With normal fused claptons i normaly run in the 140w range. But for battery life ill drop to 100w. But i have to let them warm up before 100w is a good vape.
When i make a standerd fused clapton, my go to is 24kx2 core 34 wrap. Its a really good go to build and they look nice to. Normally 6 wraps at 3mmid. Normally go in my lush with those. (My lush is my workhorse rda)

Just play with them for a bit and play with the airflow till you get it cool enough for your likeing. Once you find your sweetspot a good fused clapton buikd will blow you away with flavor. (The clouds are nice to )

If i where gunna use 28 for a core id wrap with atleast a 34. Id probabky want 36 or 38. Ramp up will be a little less. With a clapton ramp up is more about the wrap then the core i find. Thiner wrap less ramp up and vice versa.

P.s what atty did you build them in?

 

[schondar]

I had them in my Griffin and liked I said it was too hot for my liking. I thought the same thing about air flow and put them in my Tobeco Velocity.
From all the suggestions I am going to use thinner wire for the outer wraps...seems like that's they way to go...
Thanks for the help guys