Anyone else with a first or second batch IPV D2 that doesn't lock?

[conanthewarrior]

I have a really annoying issue with my IPV D2.

When I lock the resistance, it comes up on screen with the reading alone, as if it is locked, but when I vape, it fluctuates higher, occasionally going past the .30 TC range and not working in TC anymore. That is rare now though, With 26 Gauge NI200 wrapped round a 3MM driver for ten wraps, the highest it hits is around 0.20.

But, I was then thinking, if the resistance was not locked, would the TC not be all over the place?

I know others who have newer D2's and it does not do this, so they must of done a firmware revision on the new ones.

So, do you think it is likely locking, but displaying the moving resistance as a bug, or not locking at all?

I thought if it wasn't locked, it would throw the TC off, but the TC works perfectly, even to the point of forgetting to redrip due to no cotton burn or burnt taste at all.

If it is not actually locking, I think I will sell it and get a newer version. Took a gamble getting it when it was first released, may of lost the gamble this time.

Would be great if somebody could let me know if it is locking or not, if it is locking I'l keep it, but if not I won't be happy till I have one that does.

Thanks everyone.

 

[AmandaD]

Mine does the same - I thought they all just displayed real-time resistance. However it is locked (as long as you actually press both buttons and lock it in when you put the atty on)! Very happy with the performance of my D2.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Mine does the same - I thought they all just displayed real-time resistance. However it is locked (as long as you actually press both buttons and lock it in when you put the atty on)! Very happy with the performance of my D2.

Ahh that is good to know! My other devices do not display the realtime resistance, just the locked resistance, and it seems the newer D2's also do lock and not fluctuate.

It works, and now I know it IS locking I am very happy (I like things to be perfect when possible).

Thanks AmandaD

 

[conanthewarrior]

Damn... took a bit to find the order email (I didn't remember where I bought it) but I ordered mine Aug. 8, and got it a few days later so... almost 7 weeks. Is yours' older?



You know it shows active "live" resistance so the "fluctuates" comment is how it works normally,
A quick click or three will drop the display back down, though not always to the "set" res.
Saying it still TCs means it's still using the "set" res. You'd damn well know if it wasn't. LOL.

Now then... the "Max Joule Mode Resistance = 0.3 ohm".
I don't know where this crap came from, but I see it copy/pasted in the ad copy specs on all the vendor sites. Bollocks.

Even factory Ti heads are around 0.4. I just now used mine... set at .4, fired and it went to .82.
No problem.

That's not good enough though, so... I put it in Nickel mode and dropped the temp to account for the Ti wire, reset the res, just because, and... fired. Res display went to... 0.82. No problem.

What's your question again?

Hmm, let me check this out tommorow properly. It seems that the TC stopped working if the display went over 0.3 Ohms, as I remember when I first got it. I have not done that for a long time though, so my memory may be wrong due to the memory issues I have.

Glad to know I might be wrong, and it does work when the display goes over 0.3. It still stays in TC mode, but it seemed like the TC stopped working, and was just firing at the wattage set.

I thought I would know if it wasn't locking, but wanted 100% confirmation, so thank you, I get a bit worried. But as everyones early devices are like this, I have no issue at all now. If it does indeed fire at above 0.3 and TC still works, I will update you tomorrow. It is approaching midnight here, a bit late to build a coil, actually I think curiosity has the better of me and I need to try over 0.3.

I will be back in 15 minutes or so with an update.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Ok, Mine definitely stops working, even when locked, when the screen gos above 0.3Ohms. Burnt taste and cotton straight away.

As long as I stay below this, which is virtually always, it is fine.

But, I'm not sure how others are firing in TC when it says 0.3 and above. It definitely stops working on my unit.

But it is locking resistance right? as long as I stay below 0.3, its fine, and I have had it too long to return. At least I have 2 other TC devices, a third on its way.

 

[conanthewarrior]

I'm not taking your word that newer models do not have the live res display. Source?

A poster from the UK forum, I will link you to it, it is only his word though, not mine, https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/...23-which-of-your-mods-does-tc-the-best-3.html

A user called beastie says their newer model does not fluctuate once being locked. I don't see a reason for them to lie about it, just like I see no reason for all of you to say yours fire in TC above 0.3. I made the coil out of 26 gauge, ensured it was heating from the inside out, and when it got to over 0.3, burnt hit right away.

 

[conanthewarrior]

my D2 has been sent back for repairs, but i seem to remember they switch to watts mode if build is above the .3ohm mark ??

Ok so yours does this also, the same as mine? So some people seem to be able to use TC above 0.3, while me and you can not. I think this unit may be faulty now, as I ensured the higher resistance coil was heating from the inside out, it was a .2 coil that as soon as it hit above 0.3, it stays in TC mode, but the TC stops working, resulting in an immediate burnt hit.

So I am not sure if it is faulty, or different batches had slightly different specs?

If I ensure the coil is .1 and below, it never goes above 30 so works TC consistently, but any higher builds and it does not work.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

The Asolo also displays real time resistance along with wattage. I prefer it that way. I can watch the resistance rise then the wattage drop like a rock in TC when the coil comes up to the set temperature. It's not a defect, it's just the way the chip is programmed.

 

[conanthewarrior]

The Asolo also displays real time resistance along with wattage. I prefer it that way. I can watch the resistance rise then the wattage drop like a rock in TC when the coil comes up to the set temperature. It's not a defect, it's just the way the chip is programmed.

Hmm OK, thats cool. I am very confused now as a UK user says his new one does lock, and does not fluctuate. Maybe they are mistaken if it is meant to happen?

https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/...23-which-of-your-mods-does-tc-the-best-3.html about halfway down, they explain twice it does not fluctuate.

But mine definitely does not work in TC mode if it rises above 0.3. It will fire, but result in a burnt hit, I think it switches to wattage mode and stops TC similar to the workaround to get it to fire under 30 watts with regular kanthal, but fires at the full power you have set constantly which results in the TC not working.

EDIT: I wanted to add, I like the way the Xcube 2 handles TC, and is my favourite device to use TC so far. If you link it to your phone, it displays the watts dropping and upping, and the resistance the coil is actually at, while the device shows the locked resistance.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Mine says SX130HV2.0, so is actually a newer revision? I was told by the shop owner it was the second batch? Is it possible he was just saying that or mistaken? Or maybe he meant firmware revision and got his words muddled up?

I will double check now, give me two seconds.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Yes, mine says SX130H V2.0.


I have no idea why mine does not fire over 0.3, I did find it odd that I could not use 26 gauge titanium in TC.

So I guess mine is faulty. Bloomin great.

His has no glitches that he mentioned.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Oops... doing three things. Mine is "2.0" as well, I'll go edit my post. Sorry.

No worries man. I wonder if the shop will take it back seeing as it has had this issue from the beginning? Is there a way to Hard reset the IPV D2?

If not I'm a bit saddened, the fact I will have to get rid of it and get another. I can't really sell it on, as its faulty. Thats £45 down the drain, unless I want to use it under 0.1 and be limited to my builds.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Hang on I just realised it has a 6 month warranty doesn't it, my guess is contact the shop tomorrow morning actually.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Sounds like a plan.
Next, we'll have to resurrect one of the Cube II threads, I just got mine yesterday.

For now... got the second new Who ep on DVR last night, so I can watch the two parter together.

I have just realised, mine isn't a first batch or second. I got it in august, so it surely can not be as that was only last month? I could of sworn I had it longer, but I checked my emails and it was mid august. As it is only just over a month I am hoping the shop will sort this.
I emailed them just now so they will get it tommorow, but I will also phone them.

I did outline the sales of goods act 1979 and the distance selling regulations to them, so hopefully they will be able to help.

 

[dre]

Mine says SX130HV2.0, so is actually a newer revision? I was told by the shop owner it was the second batch? Is it possible he was just saying that or mistaken? Or maybe he meant firmware revision and got his words muddled up?

I will double check now, give me two seconds.

Mine is from the first batch and its sx130hv2.0 I was one of the first to get one

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[dre]

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[Powerman]

I'm totally confused now... Only read part of the thread. Seems you guys are saying a lot of different stuff thinking it's the same....

In the specs, it says the board is limited to firing a coil in TC with more than a .3 ohm initial resistance. I have found that to be true.

That does NOT mean it won't fire in TC over .3. It will fire up to the temp limit set. It won't recognize a nickle or Ti coil over .3 when cold because that would most likely not be a nickle or Ti coil.

Both my D2s lock resistance. Done. In use, both show real time resistance of a hot coil. Continuing to try and lock in a resistance of a hot coil will reset it and cause temp limit to be in accurate. You will basically be telling the D2 to fire the coil much hotter than the temp you set it at.

I used a .25 SS coil in TC mode. It fired, but temp limit never kicked in even at 212F because the TCR of SS is very different than nickle or Ti. When I tried a .5 coil, after setting resistance with a nickel coil initially... It just gave me a error of "no liquid". Basically said it wasn't a nickle coil.

Sorry if that is off base from the conversation.

 

[Powerman]

And yet, we know that Ti, with it's higher than Ni resistance, is available in factory 0.4 heads (and possibly higher). That is the eGo One tank from the VTC that I tried with. Set, fired... no problem.

I was just looking for some. I see what you mean.

I do not know why they set the limit. I was guessing that on the top end with a big resistance change that it would not be good. But what do I know?

When I was experimenting with SS, I can't say exactly what it didn't like. I put in a nickle coil and set resistance. Took the tank off, changed to SS, put back together. Didn't work. But it was the same thing I did for the .25 coil which did work, but just didn't temp limit. Gave a no liquid error, but it worked fine in power mode.

 

[Powerman]

No right. I'm just saying what my my little experiment did. Obviously you are not stopped from using your .4 coil. It would be nice to know exactly what's going on.

 

[conanthewarrior]

This is one big confusement isn\t it. I am going to phone the shop later, as mine DOES day in the instructions TC max .30 Ohms.

So, I doubt I would be able to get a replacement as it does work up to this limit.

I am still going to phone the shop, and I will also ask on the UK forum what software revision Beastie has. I've said on both boards, I have no reason to doubt you so I am pretty confused, as I see no benefit from any of you saying it can fire above 0.3, just the same as beastie saying theirs does lock and not move, mine must lock but have active resistance display, and like the User above said above 0.3 go into some strange mode.

Must be a strange glitch on my model. At least I will have another TC device tomorrow to play with, plus I have the sog75 that locks and works well, so if I ever take out a TC device it will likely be a larger device, unless they will sort this one for me, but as the manfacturer says 0.3 max, I don't think I'l get far.

 

[conanthewarrior]

OK, I have phoned the shop, and they was very nice.

I am the first person they have encountered with this issue, so they say, and they are a known UK company, not a shady-cheap selling shop, so I believe them.

The man I spoke to, called Peter, said he is going to speak to his colleagues, but he would like to see my device, so I will probably have to post it.

They are going to test a 0.25 or so build on it, lock it, so it fluctuates on screen above 0.3, then when the issue happens, swap the exact same atty and coil on to a different unit, and see if TC works on the other unit when it fluctuates on screen above 0.3.

We went through the basics which I already had, and had a 30 minute chat about vaping. I explained about the VU forums and the UK forum I use, and learn't all my stuff through here, and also said I can link you to the threads where others state theirs does work with resistance going above 0.3 Ohms, he also stated that it should not be happening.

The Screen is 100% meant to change and show resistance change, locking is done once and it is 100% an active display, so it IS meant to fluctuate. The UK users who's does not fluctuate must also have an issue, so I will tell them it should be showing active resistance.

I will have to pay postage and packaging if they find no fault with my unit, that will be around £8 there and back, but if it is faulty they will send me a new one and I won't have to pay.

They are as interested in getting to the bottom of this as I am, due to this being the first case they have heard. They are not sure wether this is because the majority are using NI200 at .1 and under, where I told him the resistance hits around 0.25 max on screen, and the issue does not occur, so others have not noticed it, and is a fault in ALL units, which it can not be as other peoples work fine above this resistance if it rises above 0.3.

If it is just a problem with MY unit, they will replace it. They would also like some of the NI200 I am using in a few gauges to rule out the NI200, but as it also happens with titanium wire I own, I do not believe it to be that, and my other devices work fine if it rises past.

Monday is their busiest day, so they are going to try their hardest to get back to me,if not they said ring them just before closing or tomorrow morning.

I am glad that the issue is being sorted, if my device is faulty, I get a brand new one (Not that it matters as mine looks brand new cosmetically, it has never been dropped and always wears its condom, the Sig on the other hand has had 2 tumbles, one breaking my tanks glass), or if it turns out all their devices do it, I will not mind paying the £8 postage to know my device is working OK.

TL, DR: I am the first person they have encountered with the issue. Genuine shop, not shady super cheap bad service shop, but one of the UK's main retailers in vaping gear, so good customer service.

Peter (Who I spoke to ) Is going to speak to his colleagues, but they want to see my device themselves to replicate the issue. If another device does not have the issue (Which we know they don't or shouldn't) they are sending me a replacement, as I only got the D2 early August.

They are as interested in this as me, as they want to know what is going on. But something is happening, and if faulty I get a free replacement unit from them .

 

[conanthewarrior]

Here is proof of beasties IPV D2 not going up in resistance, on Camera. They apologise for their shaky camera work, but you can see through two fires, it stays at 0.09 Ohms.https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxMT499jVlwSZGZSYXNJbXBFUnc/view

 

[conanthewarrior]

OH MY GOD.

I can use it, it just needed a spaced coil! I am using a 0.25 coil 30 gauge 2mm, and it is working in TC, it has risen to 50+ due to being 30 gauge its resistance seems to change much easier.

But, it is actually working. I am astounded.

I was using standard coils, now I am using a spaced coil, it is working in TC perfectly above 0.3. I just can not use coils that touch above 0.3, they have to be spaced.

 

[Powerman]

Yes, they have to be spaced.

So can you ask them what the point is of not using a coil above .3 ohm in TC? Is that just some arbitrary limit of the hardware or is there some good reason it is limited to that?

 

[conanthewarrior]

It now works. I am an absolute IDIOT. I did NOT know you needed spaced coils vs standard, touching coils.

Now, I can build at 0.28 with 30 gauge, it rised into the mid 40s, and TC WORKED.

My device is not faulty, I was building wrongly. I honestly had no idea at all with TC you are meant to used spaced coils. No wonder I was not understanding why everyone enjoyed TC.

Now the whole wire heats at once, I tried it dry, instead of from the inside out, it is a completely different experience. No faulty IPV D2. I phoned the shop, they said always use a spaced coil with TC, and told me a cheat-Use a screw at the diameter I want for the coil, and I will end up with even spacing.

Melon of the month award goes to me.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Yes, they have to be spaced.

So can you ask them what the point is of not using a coil above .3 ohm in TC? Is that just some arbitrary limit of the hardware or is there some good reason it is limited to that?

It was me, being a lemon. I tried the coil spaced, and TC was working fine at .45, from a .28 30 gauge coil NI200.

I did not know about spacing. No wonder I did not really like TC. Now it is a whole different story.

I am so happy it is not faulty though. I even phoned the shop to tell them, they are probably laughing right now and I don't blame them lol.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

If you don't space Ni200 you are likely to end up with a hotspot(s). Since you can't dry fire it there is no way to tell. I always space my Ni200 coils.

 

[conanthewarrior]

If you don't space Ni200 you are likely to end up with a hotspot(s). Since you can't dry fire it there is no way to tell. I always space my Ni200 coils.

I did dryfire on my sig75, as this allows it to ensure it was heating correctly, the whole length of the wire heated up at the same time, instead of from the inside out.

I had been building standard, touching micro/macro coils. Now I am using spaced coils, the TC experience is even more enjoyable. I now understand why everyone is into TC. Before I had been using all my devices wrong, building the coils incorrectly, which must of been why I did not enjoy TC that much. Now, I realise what a revolution it is now I can get it working consistently, and above all, I am HAPPY, so happy, that my D2 is not defective and now works if the coil goes past 0.3 on screen.

I can try titanium later for the first time properly on the D2. I can then see what I prefer. I got a tip from the shop too, if you use a screw at the diameter you want, you get perfect spacing. I thought that was a nice tip of him, he did say it is likely to be an issue with the coils, I thought I have been making perfect coils for a long time.

But they were perfect, standard kanthal coils. I now need to just leave spacing. I am using a 26G build on the D2 right now, 0.08 ohms so it wont go over 0.30 anyway, but it is so good to know it DOES work over 0.3.

 

[Powerman]

It was me, being a lemon. I tried the coil spaced, and TC was working fine at .45, from a .28 30 gauge coil NI200.

I did not know about spacing. No wonder I did not really like TC. Now it is a whole different story.

I am so happy it is not faulty though. I even phoned the shop to tell them, they are probably laughing right now and I don't blame them lol.

Right, but from this conversation, Jim can use a coil over the limit of .3 in TC. You are not supposed to be able to do that. And we are wondering what the .3 limit is about in general.

 

[Mattp169]

some people do have luck with contact coils on Ti. @dre can do it. you just have to be sure when you pulse it to be very very careful not to get it too hot or you get Ti oxide on the coil.

My d2 is version 2.0 of the chip
manual says TC max is .3

BUT i think this is for Ni ONLY
I have had a build with TI over .3 and it fired properly in TC mode on my d2 and ipv 3li. IT wa sonly like .332 or something, but it was over .3

SO I do not know if that manual is 100% correct. I believe most times you see specs for TC it only refers to Ni.


Also I believe there were so many complaints and misunderstandings about the LIVE resistance reading on the D2 they changed it to not do that. SO there are some that do not show LIVE resistance and some that do. I am not 100% positive on that, but i read it on the internet somewhere.

 

[conanthewarrior]

some people do have luck with contact coils on Ti. @dre can do it. you just have to be sure when you pulse it to be very very careful not to get it too hot or you get Ti oxide on the coil.

My d2 is version 2.0 of the chip
manual says TC max is .3

BUT i think this is for Ni ONLY
I have had a build with TI over .3 and it fired properly in TC mode on my d2 and ipv 3li. IT wa sonly like .332 or something, but it was over .3

SO I do not know if that manual is 100% correct. I believe most times you see specs for TC it only refers to Ni.


Also I believe there were so many complaints and misunderstandings about the LIVE resistance reading on the D2 they changed it to not do that. SO there are some that do not show LIVE resistance and some that do. I am not 100% positive on that, but i read it on the internet somewhere.

That is a real possibility, it could be as people, such as me, were not sure if it was locking or not, and they revised it? But apparently it is a feature, over on the UK forum Beastie posted a video showing theirs with the resistance not moving while firing.

But, I am just glad it was not faulty, and it was donut head me, not using spaced coils. Using a spaced coil it works fine over 0.3. I never got told that TC uses spaced coils, so I just assumed you built the same, but it seems not so lol.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Right, but from this conversation, Jim can use a coil over the limit of .3 in TC. You are not supposed to be able to do that. And we are wondering what the .3 limit is about in general.

That is true. I have not built a coil over 0.3, only one just under 0.3 so it fluctuates higher and TC still works.

I will try a TI build later at 0.4 or so and see if it works with spaced coils or not.

 

[AmandaD]

That is true. I have not built a coil over 0.3, only one just under 0.3 so it fluctuates higher and TC still works.

I will try a TI build later at 0.4 or so and see if it works with spaced coils or not.

The Ti works fine with contact coils, because you can pulse them (a bit) Ni works better with spaced coils because can't pulse them

I have several single coil TI builds, contact, and they work fine (between 0.4 and 0.5).

 

[Myk]

My D2 coils are .35Ω, both work fine with it.

I learned touching coils are bad early with the IVP4.
You can pulse TI pretty red without making the white titanium dioxide. If you get it to white which is bright red the coil is toast, brittle. My completely unscientific thoughts are that white is the inhalation dust danger. Scientifically all the colors are titanium dioxide.

IMO/experience trying to chase bigger clouds with special coil builds in TC is meaningless. More surface area maybe, higher feed rate definitely, higher airflow definitely but a 400° wire is 400° no matter how you slice it. I think the best you could hope for with a special coil giving you better clouds is that you end up defeating the TC with a hot spot. Not exactly the reason you have TC.

 

[conanthewarrior]

My D2 coils are .35Ω, both work fine with it.

I learned touching coils are bad early with the IVP4.
You can pulse TI pretty red without making the white titanium dioxide. If you get it to white which is bright red the coil is toast, brittle. My completely unscientific thoughts are that white is the inhalation dust danger. Scientifically all the colors are titanium dioxide.

IMO/experience trying to chase bigger clouds with special coil builds in TC is meaningless. More surface area maybe, higher feed rate definitely, higher airflow definitely but a 400° wire is 400° no matter how you slice it. I think the best you could hope for with a special coil giving you better clouds is that you end up defeating the TC with a hot spot. Not exactly the reason you have TC.

I'm not really chasing clouds TBH with the TC, when I fancy that I have some drippers set up with standard kanthal for some high power fun.

I don't do that much now though to be honest, I am enjoying flavours more, so have more sedate builds.

I've not tried the TI just yet, but I have been really enjoying a single 26 gauge, 3MM NI200 build. It's actually in my mutation x v4, which I didn't really like if I'm honest, but I found the box it came in, with the extender and 510 adapter, now its like a completely different dripper.

Using TC at 240C, really enjoying it. Also noticing my juice is going down a lot slower today, even with the dripping.

So, I must admit defeat. TC is very good. I was simply building for it completely wrong.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Glad that worked out and I'm still interested to find out if Beastie has a new version.

After putting my 40TC back in use yesterday ('e was feelin' unloved) you reminded me to do the same with the Sig75. I've got the Ti tank on with the temp waaay down to 380F and it's chuckin'.

Still nothing wrong with this Sig that a good stylist couldn't fix (a little weight loss program wouldn't go amiss either).

I was vaping at 240C, but reduced to 210C, it is cooler, but really chucking out clouds, and using less juice. I'm pretty amazed to be honest.

And yeah the SIG 75TC I like a lot. I do want to get the 75TC plus when it arrives though to solve the battery issue at higher watts (Although any device at higher watts will have reduced battery life compared to a dual battery at the same wattage)

Beastie's is running V 3.0, so it is an updated version. I gather it is true that there are some that give live readings, and newer ones that don't. It could be a one off though, if so I told them to keep hold of it, as it is special indeed .