Been using my friends Wismec GEN3 and........

[expat42451]

Good Idea. Think I am gonna have to reboot to Windoze for that though. I just tried installing the ArcticFox tools in the Wine emulator for Linux and it crashed so will have to do Windoze for the firmware updates. Back soon.

 

[Psychobunny]

understand. Thanks for the info. I am running in power mode and its great. Think later today I am going to try ArcticFox.

Did u check your firmware version?

 

[SteveS45]

I had updated my firmware to the RX250S Version but I found a loss of battery life as did another member so I rolled it back to the 200W version. Extended display time was the only reason I could blame it on as it still worked perfectly. Just figured I would throw this out there before anyone does the update/upgrade.

 

[expat42451]

Well. Windoze. Updated the Wismec firmware to 1.04. Then decided to try ArcticFox. Downloaded the installer from here

https://nfeteam.org/forum/threads/p10-nfe-tools-v170822.521/

and the firmware from here

https://nfeteam.org/forum/threads/p10-arcticfox-170819.512/

Tried SS temp control and received a protection message. Went to Variwatt- profile 7, erased the coil reisitance and vaped. Lots of difference, better vape. I have NOT used TC to be able to even comment on it but Variwatt is a very nice even vape. Am investigating further and will post as I do.

Upgrading the Wismec firmware was very simple. Ditto the change to ArcticFox.

 

[Psychobunny]

Well. Windoze. Updated the Wismec firmware to 1.04. Then decided to try ArcticFox. Downloaded the installer from here

https://nfeteam.org/forum/threads/p10-nfe-tools-v170822.521/

and the firmware from here

https://nfeteam.org/forum/threads/p10-arcticfox-170819.512/

Tried SS temp control and received a protection message. Went to Variwatt- profile 7, erased the coil reisitance and vaped. Lots of difference, better vape. I have NOT used TC to be able to even comment on it but Variwatt is a very nice even vape. Am investigating further and will post as I do.

Upgrading the Wismec firmware was very simple. Ditto the change to ArcticFox.

Ok, so the Wismec upgrade helped? What version did u have before you upgraded?

 

[SteveS45]

Or was it that the tank cooled off?

 

[expat42451]

Psychobunny

I did not try the mod after upgrading the firmware on Wismec 1.04. I decided to install the ArcticFox firmware and try that.

 

[expat42451]

Steve
The tank didnt cool off that much. The firmware upgrades are really quick. The tank was still warm to the touch.

 

[expat42451]

After letting the rig cool down in Arctic Fox Variwatt mode when I fired it again, the mod asked whether it was a new coil or not, or words to that effect. What is amazing is the amount of information you can see on the graph in NFE tools, same program that is used to update the firmware. With the mod connected to the computer and vaping you get realtime graphs of resistance, voltage to the tank , all 3 battery voltages, current and realtime resistance. Pretty amazing! I never would have figured that resistance changes the way it does with heat.

Thing that matters though is so far it vapes great. Lots of stuff to play with but in the end its a world away from any of my single battery vapes. The build I did earlier running at 42.2 watts with a 1 second preheat at 55 W. Amazing piece of kit.

 

[Psychobunny]

After letting the rig cool down in Arctic Fox Variwatt mode when I fired it again, the mod asked whether it was a new coil or not, or words to that effect. What is amazing is the amount of information you can see on the graph in NFE tools, same program that is used to update the firmware. With the mod connected to the computer and vaping you get realtime graphs of resistance, voltage to the tank , all 3 battery voltages, current and realtime resistance. Pretty amazing! I never would have figured that resistance changes the way it does with heat.

Thing that matters though is so far it vapes great. Lots of stuff to play with but in the end its a world away from any of my single battery vapes. The build I did earlier running at 42.2 watts with a 1 second preheat at 55 W. Amazing piece of kit.

Here is what Anthony said about the TC dropout .. I remember him talking about the internal grounding on the RX MOD's... lets see if I can copy and paste this here:

As always Daniel I enjoyed the review and the detailed rundown on its performance and weaknesses. Your data defines the inaccuracies in detail. I just wish they would perform better. The mod dropping out of tc mode sucks. I have a RX200S,rx200 and a RX2002/3. All of them drop out. The only thing I like is the size.

Stuart Macdonald2 weeks ago
I think Artic Fox firmware fixes that issue, maybe give that a try, its pretty cool with all the things you can do with it, kind of makes your RX200s into a DNA device

Anthony Vapes2 weeks ago
It doesn't fix it, it just hides the issue. dropping out of TC is caused by poor grounding. AF gives an option to basically ignore it in temp control

 

[SkoldVape]

Here is what Anthony said about the TC dropout .. I remember him talking about the internal grounding on the RX MOD's... lets see if I can copy and paste this here:

As always Daniel I enjoyed the review and the detailed rundown on its performance and weaknesses. Your data defines the inaccuracies in detail. I just wish they would perform better. The mod dropping out of tc mode sucks. I have a RX200S,rx200 and a RX2002/3. All of them drop out. The only thing I like is the size.

Stuart Macdonald2 weeks ago
I think Artic Fox firmware fixes that issue, maybe give that a try, its pretty cool with all the things you can do with it, kind of makes your RX200s into a DNA device

Anthony Vapes2 weeks ago
It doesn't fix it, it just hides the issue. dropping out of TC is caused by poor grounding. AF gives an option to basically ignore it in temp control

I'm a Wismec fan but this is the reason I don't use it for TC. Wattage mode is fine but if you want a good TC mod am your on a budget go with the nx100 or something by aspire. I've throughly enjoyed their offerings off TC. Also though lost vape therion 166 dna 250 is only $100.00 now.
I remember paying that for my G-Priv and your getting a DNA chip for the price of a smok mod!

 

[SkoldVape]

Really can't recommend wismec for TC

 

[Psychobunny]

Really can't recommend wismec for TC

No, I guess not.. .. it doesn't matter to me, but when a company advertises a product feature, they bloody well
should deliver it, or it's false advertising... I know Wismec knows about this issue to...

 

[Psychobunny]

I'm a Wismec fan but this is the reason I don't use it for TC. Wattage mode is fine but if you want a good TC mod am your on a budget go with the nx100 or something by aspire. I've throughly enjoyed their offerings off TC. Also though lost vape therion 166 dna 250 is only $100.00 now.
I remember paying that for my G-Priv and your getting a DNA chip for the price of a smok mod!

Aspire has a really hot looking new MOD.. do u know what chip-set they are using for TC?

 

[expat42451]

Interesting and thanks for this information. At this point I ve got to agree with what you posted here. Last night I went back to the 1.04 Wismec firmware. The reason was my concern about the board temperature. Wismec limits the board temp to 70C. I did not know whether Arctic Fox protected the device...... and 70C is pretty warm. I wrote Arctic Fox about the device and here is what I received- from having been bitten with other devices (computers), new or non standard firmware and thermal runaway due to not being protected I am pretty careful about heat.

Wismec Gen3 running AF build 170819. Running foxy skin for the main screen shows the device internal temperature in the lower right hand corner. Temp goes into the upper 60 to low 70 degree C range when I am chain vaping. Is the device protected for excessive internal temperatures ?

Thanks. Excellent firmware !

This from Reriko Kitsune, one of the developers

Hello,

Answer is yes, and value is 75C.
Due to small sizes and bad hardware design and decisions Wismec RX GEN3 will heat too much.

So well. He certainly isnt a fan of the mod. At this point I am not sure what I am going to do firmware wise. I like the extra 5C protection because in a small device, 70 is pretty hot. I have not been able so far to make the mod work with SS in TC in either ArcticFox or the Wismec1.04. Power mode works well and the Power Curve mode in Arctic Fox works well....ONE thing I have discovered is that the connection between the atomizer and the mod must be kept scrupulously clean. My Kylin is prone to get a very small amount of juice on the threads of the 510 connection. It collects when the mod sits unused and only barely wets the threads. I had it on the Gen 3 last night. This morning when I picked the mod up I got an Atomizer Low message and it would not fire. I took the tank off, wiped the threads and wiped the inside of the 510, screwed it back together and it works fine.

So this is my first half a day experience with the mod. I dont know that I would buy it again or recommend it at this point. So far it works well in power mode, not at all in TC or at least I have not been able to make it work and that may well be due to the coils I am trying to fire with it. Good battery life, pretty but- time will tell.

 

[SkoldVape]

Aspire has a really hot looking new MOD.. do u know what chip-set they are using for TC?

Is it the Aspire speeder cos I've not looked up that mod!

 

[SkoldVape]

Interesting and thanks for this information. At this point I ve got to agree with what you posted here. Last night I went back to the 1.04 Wismec firmware. The reason was my concern about the board temperature. Wismec limits the board temp to 70C. I did not know whether Arctic Fox protected the device...... and 70C is pretty warm. I wrote Arctic Fox about the device and here is what I received- from having been bitten with other devices (computers), new or non standard firmware and thermal runaway due to not being protected I am pretty careful about heat.


This from Reriko Kitsune, one of the developers



So well. He certainly isnt a fan of the mod. At this point I am not sure what I am going to do firmware wise. I like the extra 5C protection because in a small device, 70 is pretty hot. I have not been able so far to make the mod work with SS in TC in either ArcticFox or the Wismec1.04. Power mode works well and the Power Curve mode in Arctic Fox works well....ONE thing I have discovered is that the connection between the atomizer and the mod must be kept scrupulously clean. My Kylin is prone to get a very small amount of juice on the threads of the 510 connection. It collects when the mod sits unused and only barely wets the threads. I had it on the Gen 3 last night. This morning when I picked the mod up I got an Atomizer Low message and it would not fire. I took the tank off, wiped the threads and wiped the inside of the 510, screwed it back together and it works fine.

So this is my first half a day experience with the mod. I dont know that I would buy it again or recommend it at this point. So far it works well in power mode, not at all in TC or at least I have not been able to make it work and that may well be due to the coils I am trying to fire with it. Good battery life, pretty but- time will tell.

TC has been shit with wismec for years. You'd think they would of sorted it by now & the 3 battery mods they've done have same battery life as most dual battery mods so that's not great!

 

[Psychobunny]

Interesting and thanks for this information. At this point I ve got to agree with what you posted here. Last night I went back to the 1.04 Wismec firmware. The reason was my concern about the board temperature. Wismec limits the board temp to 70C. I did not know whether Arctic Fox protected the device...... and 70C is pretty warm. I wrote Arctic Fox about the device and here is what I received- from having been bitten with other devices (computers), new or non standard firmware and thermal runaway due to not being protected I am pretty careful about heat.


This from Reriko Kitsune, one of the developers



So well. He certainly isnt a fan of the mod. At this point I am not sure what I am going to do firmware wise. I like the extra 5C protection because in a small device, 70 is pretty hot. I have not been able so far to make the mod work with SS in TC in either ArcticFox or the Wismec1.04. Power mode works well and the Power Curve mode in Arctic Fox works well....ONE thing I have discovered is that the connection between the atomizer and the mod must be kept scrupulously clean. My Kylin is prone to get a very small amount of juice on the threads of the 510 connection. It collects when the mod sits unused and only barely wets the threads. I had it on the Gen 3 last night. This morning when I picked the mod up I got an Atomizer Low message and it would not fire. I took the tank off, wiped the threads and wiped the inside of the 510, screwed it back together and it works fine.

So this is my first half a day experience with the mod. I dont know that I would buy it again or recommend it at this point. So far it works well in power mode, not at all in TC or at least I have not been able to make it work and that may well be due to the coils I am trying to fire with it. Good battery life, pretty but- time will tell.

Thanks for all that detail.. that is all really good info.. if all the gen3 ever does wrong is the TC thing, I don't mind, cuz I don't use it,
I really just wanted to see if it would work, just curious.. I wonder why none of the reviewers on youtube even mentioned something
this important.. for some ppl, no TC (after saying it does) I can see the shit hitting the fan over at Wismec.... lol

 

[SkoldVape]

Thanks for all that detail.. that is all really good info.. if all the gen3 ever does wrong is the TC thing, I don't mind, cuz I don't use it,
I really just wanted to see if it would work, just curious.. I wonder why none of the reviewers on youtube even mentioned something
this important.. for some ppl, no TC (after saying it does) I can see the shit hitting the fan over at Wismec.... lol

If you watch djlsbs review of the rx300 he talks about it kicking you out of TC mode but most reviewers just give glowing reviews cos they are getting paid. I mean they say they've been using the same mod for a month and they are saying the same thing two days later.
I might start doing reviews myself but I would not expect a product sent to me for a review. I would buy it and say how the mod is after several months, you can't give a true review if you've used it for a couple of weeks. People want to know if it'll hold up after a year!!

 

[Psychobunny]

Is it the Aspire speeder cos I've not looked up that mod!

Yes, that's it.. I have seen a few good reviews, and I love the design, I just don't know anything about this company
or their background..
Of course, the GEN3 has also gotten great reviews, and the TC issue was never mentioned.. so they are not getting
production units to review... I don't trust reviews any more, unless the reviewer actually purchased the MOD same as
we do.....

 

[SkoldVape]

Yes, that's it.. I have seen a few good reviews, and I love the design, I just don't know anything about this company
or their background..
Of course, the GEN3 has also gotten great reviews, and the TC issue was never mentioned.. so they are not getting
production units to review... I don't trust reviews any more, unless the reviewer actually purchased the MOD same as
we do.....

I love the look of it myself, I liked the archon but felt plasticy an I'm wondering if this is more solid.
& I agree but most reviewers have it sent to them an say "this was sent to me for purpose of review but doesn't change my opinion" and it's like bullshit your saying the mod is great just so you don't piss off the company. If I did reviews I would list the cons.
I think mike vapes & jai haze are good though. They don't call every mod they review fantastic. They say what they don't like!!

 

[Psychobunny]

If you watch djlsbs review of the rx300 he talks about it kicking you out of TC mode but most reviewers just give glowing reviews cos they are getting paid. I mean they say they've been using the same mod for a month and they are saying the same thing two days later.
I might start doing reviews myself but I would not expect a product sent to me for a review. I would buy it and say how the mod is after several months, you can't give a true review if you've used it for a couple of weeks. People want to know if it'll hold up after a year!!

I didn't see that review... It was mainly because of Daniel that I felt confident enough to buy the RX3 in the first place.
I thought he would give an un-biased review.. even though he didn't receive a production RX3 for review, I would think
that he would have made a comment about the problem later, or some kind of update....

 

[Psychobunny]

I love the look of it myself, I liked the archon but felt plasticy an I'm wondering if this is more solid.
& I agree but most reviewers have it sent to them an say "this was sent to me for purpose of review but doesn't change my opinion" and it's like bullshit your saying the mod is great just so you don't piss off the company. If I did reviews I would list the cons.
I think mike vapes & jai haze are good though. They don't call every mod they review fantastic. They say what they don't like!!

Well, I really don't know how this works, but Youtube pays these guys a salary based on how many subscribers, and how many likes.
It turn, the manufacturers pay Youtube.. So the reviewers would be shooting themselves in the foot if they trashed a review model
from one of Youtube's biggest sponsors... but I would think it depends on how much $$ they make off their popularity??!!

 

[SkoldVape]

Jai Haze doesn't give a fuck, he just says what he thinks.

Really though you would of thought Daniel would point that out & I'm a bit disappointed that wismec haven't fixed the TC issue with their latest model!!

 

[Psychobunny]

Jai Haze doesn't give a fuck, he just says what he thinks.

Really though you would of thought Daniel would point that out & I'm a bit disappointed that wismec haven't fixed the TC issue with their latest model!!

I am too.. and I know that wismec knows about the issue, cuz it's listed in the FAQ's on their website.
I think they have some serious communications issues between China and the US..

I am also disappointed in Daniel for bending over for the China companies and announcing that he will no longer
do his usual on camera tear-down... That was what caught my attention to him to begin with.. but the manufacturers
don't like that shit, and wont send him review sample because of it.....

 

[SkoldVape]

I am too.. and I know that wismec knows about the issue, cuz it's listed in the FAQ's on their website.
I think they have some serious communications issues between China and the US..

I am also disappointed in Daniel for bending over for the China companies and announcing that he will no longer
do his usual on camera tear-down... That was what caught my attention to him to begin with.. but the manufacturers
don't like that shit, and wont send him review sample because of it.....

Really?? That fucking sucks, I liked to see his dissembling of mods & his reviews are half hour - an hour long. I don't like reviews that are ten minutes long, they feel rushed to me! I know I couldn't sum up a mod in ten minutes. I watched one review from Andy at aspen valley an thought fucking hell slow down man

 

[expat42451]

Agreed. Heat internally is one problem. TC is another. The mod feels well made and is a pretty mod. Sort of disappointing all of their problems.

 

[Psychobunny]

Really?? That fucking sucks, I liked to see his dissembling of mods & his reviews are half hour - an hour long. I don't like reviews that are ten minutes long, they feel rushed to me! I know I couldn't sum up a mod in ten minutes. I watched one review from Andy at aspen valley an thought fucking hell slow down man

Yep, it sucks... he still takes shit apart, but just doesnt do it on camera, so you sort of have to trust him on the build quality.
He said he will be able to do a lot more reviews that way, that may be true, but I assume it will also mean more $$ for him...
not sayin thats a bad thing, I just dont want to see him turned into a puppet for China and Youtube.....

 

[Psychobunny]

Agreed. Heat internally is one problem. TC is another. The mod feels well made and is a pretty mod. Sort of disappointing all of their problems.

I still love my little neon green guy.. i have several loaded mods always on my desk, and that one is the one I go to most...

 

[SkoldVape]

Yep, it sucks... he still takes shit apart, but just doesnt do it on camera, so you sort of have to trust him on the build quality.
He said he will be able to do a lot more reviews that way, that may be true, but I assume it will also mean more $$ for him...
not sayin thats a bad thing, I just dont want to see him turned into a puppet for China and Youtube.....

I totally agree, there's enough of them as it is. He's one of a couple decent reviewers left!

 

[expat42451]

One of the things I forgot to mention in an earlier post. I had the largest and most rapid temperature increase on the mod last night when I was chain vaping and decided to plug the mod in to see what happened when you vaped and charged simultaneously. I know this is not recommended at all....but it seemed to increase the internal temp of the mod a lot faster. Was vaping under 45 watts almost all of the time and think I got to 71 or 72 maybe on AF and on Wismec received the Device too hot error message which happens at 70C.

Another thing- I thought I would bring this up as a matter of curiosity after having thought about it for a few hours and going back and re reading his reply to me..... Reriko Kitsune's comment seemed pretty harsh considering that ArcticFox specifically supports a LOT Wismec mods. First I think their firmware compared to what is possible with Wismec 1.04.....well there isnt any comparison, you can do a lot more with ArcticFox even given the 5C difference in shutoff temperature......so I am impressed with their firmware and I think I am going back to it. He COULD have said something to the effect that " yes we shut the mod off at 75C instead of 70" and let it go at that. However he roundly damned Wismec. Is it deserved or does he for some reason have a crap attitude toward the entire company and brand?? Maybe he went to them with a business proposition to write their stock code (look how MUCH more your mods will do if you use my code) and they told him to sod off......I wonder given the vehemence of his reply to me. Seems to be way out of line so one must wonder?? Was he having a bad day or is there more...... I was prompted by the excellent comments on some of the earlier posts questioning reviewers motives and purpose and I likewise question what I was told by Kitsune...... so maybe its a pretty good mod within limits and his girl friend said NO last night or he got some bad xxxx or... so far today on both the Kylin and the TFV12 its been excellent. Using 1.04 and think in a bit I am going back to AF.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Well, I really don't know how this works, but Youtube pays these guys a salary based on how many subscribers, and how many likes.
It turn, the manufacturers pay Youtube.. So the reviewers would be shooting themselves in the foot if they trashed a review model
from one of Youtube's biggest sponsors... but I would think it depends on how much $$ they make off their popularity??!!

just an FYI
youtube pays off of views it's basically 1 dollar per 1000 views. so if you are like say rip trippers and get like 100k views per video he'll make 100 bucks per video just on the views. they also make money on affiliate links (but products from the links in the description and they make a % of the money) patreion/donations and also most reviews get paid directly from the manufacturer per review. based on your subs and how big the company is, it could be anywhere from a couple hundred dollars to thousands. I know mike vapes is adamant about not taking money from manufacturers for review but most of them do take the money. I've been offered by a few companies, they asked me how much do i charge, i told them nothing. I won't take money for reviewing something on my channel but then again i don't take money for anything lol i don't even monetize. I have no issues with people doing so though, it's hard work and a lot of time spent to make reviews. making money is deserved as long as they don't alter their review based on the money. that's the issue i have

 

[SirRichardRear]

I am too.. and I know that wismec knows about the issue, cuz it's listed in the FAQ's on their website.
I think they have some serious communications issues between China and the US..

I am also disappointed in Daniel for bending over for the China companies and announcing that he will no longer
do his usual on camera tear-down... That was what caught my attention to him to begin with.. but the manufacturers
don't like that shit, and wont send him review sample because of it.....

I didn't hear that, i can't help but feel responsible in a way. they can't stop me from doing it though

 

[SirRichardRear]

Really?? That fucking sucks, I liked to see his dissembling of mods & his reviews are half hour - an hour long. I don't like reviews that are ten minutes long, they feel rushed to me! I know I couldn't sum up a mod in ten minutes. I watched one review from Andy at aspen valley an thought fucking hell slow down man

that dude is the buzzfeed of vape vids. they post some shitty things, the worst probably being how DIY juice is dangerous

 

[SirRichardRear]

One of the things I forgot to mention in an earlier post. I had the largest and most rapid temperature increase on the mod last night when I was chain vaping and decided to plug the mod in to see what happened when you vaped and charged simultaneously. I know this is not recommended at all....but it seemed to increase the internal temp of the mod a lot faster. Was vaping under 45 watts almost all of the time and think I got to 71 or 72 maybe on AF and on Wismec received the Device too hot error message which happens at 70C.

Another thing- I thought I would bring this up as a matter of curiosity after having thought about it for a few hours and going back and re reading his reply to me..... Reriko Kitsune's comment seemed pretty harsh considering that ArcticFox specifically supports a LOT Wismec mods. First I think their firmware compared to what is possible with Wismec 1.04.....well there isnt any comparison, you can do a lot more with ArcticFox even given the 5C difference in shutoff temperature......so I am impressed with their firmware and I think I am going back to it. He COULD have said something to the effect that " yes we shut the mod off at 75C instead of 70" and let it go at that. However he roundly damned Wismec. Is it deserved or does he for some reason have a crap attitude toward the entire company and brand?? Maybe he went to them with a business proposition to write their stock code (look how MUCH more your mods will do if you use my code) and they told him to sod off......I wonder given the vehemence of his reply to me. Seems to be way out of line so one must wonder?? Was he having a bad day or is there more...... I was prompted by the excellent comments on some of the earlier posts questioning reviewers motives and purpose and I likewise question what I was told by Kitsune...... so maybe its a pretty good mod within limits and his girl friend said NO last night or he got some bad weed or... so far today on both the Kylin and the TFV12 its been excellent. Using 1.04 and think in a bit I am going back to AF.

You have to remember the AF devs are russian so sometimes "bedside manor" gets lost in translation. also they have to deal with droves of the same questions asked that are all due to hardware issues. They also know which mods are good and which are bad. like they love the pico 25 said it's very well built. FYI joyetech, wismec, and eleaf are all the same company and it's the only brand AF currently supports

 

[expat42451]

Reriko Kitsune is RUSSIAN?? Damn. I know from being in IT for years that I have seen some really impressive Russian work but I thought he prbly was Japanese with that name. Understand about the droves of idiot questions due to hardware issues (Wy kaint I get e mail on my mod?? just kidding) but I would guess the majority of their exposure comes from Joytec/Wismec/ELeaf and market penetration is damn important if you get to the point where you want to monetize a project so. Maybe the hardware is for shit I dont know. Far as bedside manner I have been in my past, guilty of being a little " rough" at times (no goddamnit I told you to deploy the patch to ONE server and see if it still works 48 hours later, NOT to all 40 servers and have ALL of them go down in the first 30 minutes) so yeah I understand that. But it just impressed me as him saying or inferring that all of his ware is written for shit products wasnt such a good thing for the "ecology" of where they maybe are trying to go. So if I worked for say Vaporesso and he came to me with some sort of proposal I would look around and see what he had done and wonder if I wanted this guy badmouthing my products. Just sayin.

Still like the mod though. So far. Of course I am one day in. Have not tried to get TC to work again and since the last post I am back on AF. The mod seems warmer to the touch running AF in what AF calls Variwatt. So far so good. Interested to see how battery life compares between Wismec and AF firmware. I will update.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Reriko Kitsune is RUSSIAN?? Damn. I know from being in IT for years that I have seen some really impressive Russian work but I thought he prbly was Japanese with that name. Understand about the droves of idiot questions due to hardware issues (Wy kaint I get e mail on my mod?? just kidding) but I would guess the majority of their exposure comes from Joytec/Wismec/ELeaf and market penetration is damn important if you get to the point where you want to monetize a project so. Maybe the hardware is for shit I dont know. Far as bedside manner I have been in my past, guilty of being a little " rough" at times (no goddamnit I told you to deploy the patch to ONE server and see if it still works 48 hours later, NOT to all 40 servers and have ALL of them go down in the first 30 minutes) so yeah I understand that. But it just impressed me as him saying or inferring that all of his ware is written for shit products wasnt such a good thing for the "ecology" of where they maybe are trying to go. So if I worked for say Vaporesso and he came to me with some sort of proposal I would look around and see what he had done and wonder if I wanted this guy badmouthing my products. Just sayin.

Still like the mod though. So far. Of course I am one day in. Have not tried to get TC to work again and since the last post I am back on AF. The mod seems warmer to the touch running AF in what AF calls Variwatt. So far so good. Interested to see how battery life compares between Wismec and AF firmware. I will update.

IDK but if he is an AF dev then yes. The one i've talked with is malestrom and yes he's russian.

And yesh i mean for them they have to be getting frustrated. IDK when wismec exactly decided to stop using a good ground but some earlier mods were properly grounded like the RX200s but they had other 510 issues lol. It's like they pix one problem and make another to keep the cost down. I'd be frustrated if i was an AF dev they already put so much time and effort in supporting devices only to be overwhelmed with the same question over and over all due to the bad hardware. It's probably why they thanked me for bringing it to people's attention

 

[expat42451]

Yep understand completely. I ve read most of the threads here about the Wismec 510 grounding problem. I've not had this mod apart yet but if it starts getting flakey in normal mode I will take it apart and solder in a ground wire. True that most people wont be able to do that and NO ONE should have to given a mfgr's responsibility to a customer base. You and I and a few others understand that the cost of a ground wire is a hell of a lot less than the cost of handling returns, customer ill will and having unhappy distributors. Sounds like someone isnt doing a very good cost analysis. I bought it because the options here in Ecuador were extremely limited and given what I have seen the problems are purported to be I I can fix at least the ground part of it. If the 510 female press fit in the mod takes a crap well thats something else. But yeah it is frustrating for a lot of people. From my very limited experience with this mod and from RTA's that occasionally will wet the 510, the connection has to be spot on and completely clean to do real time resistance measurements. I cant help but wonder if in TC mode, one doesnt need to be a lot more careful to wipe out the 510 female on any mod and the 510 male on whatever tank one is putting on? Just a thought. And yep I can see where a dev would be pissed.

 

[SkoldVape]

that dude is the buzzfeed of vape vids. they post some shitty things, the worst probably being how DIY juice is dangerous

I totally agree! Just popularity contest to make the views up.
I'm ignoring the rest of the posts cos that dude has freaking hijacked the thread an sent a load of messages.
Feel free to PM though, you seem like a good guy

 

[SkoldVape]

Yep understand completely. I ve read most of the threads here about the Wismec 510 grounding problem. I've not had this mod apart yet but if it starts getting flakey in normal mode I will take it apart and solder in a ground wire. True that most people wont be able to do that and NO ONE should have to given a mfgr's responsibility to a customer base. You and I and a few others understand that the cost of a ground wire is a hell of a lot less than the cost of handling returns, customer ill will and having unhappy distributors. Sounds like someone isnt doing a very good cost analysis. I bought it because the options here in Ecuador were extremely limited and given what I have seen the problems are purported to be I I can fix at least the ground part of it. If the 510 female press fit in the mod takes a crap well thats something else. But yeah it is frustrating for a lot of people. From my very limited experience with this mod and from RTA's that occasionally will wet the 510, the connection has to be spot on and completely clean to do real time resistance measurements. I cant help but wonder if in TC mode, one doesnt need to be a lot more careful to wipe out the 510 female on any mod and the 510 male on whatever tank one is putting on? Just a thought. And yep I can see where a dev would be pissed.

Better fix it than get a completely new mod too, just be careful

 

[Psychobunny]

just an FYI
youtube pays off of views it's basically 1 dollar per 1000 views. so if you are like say rip trippers and get like 100k views per video he'll make 100 bucks per video just on the views. they also make money on affiliate links (but products from the links in the description and they make a % of the money) patreion/donations and also most reviews get paid directly from the manufacturer per review. based on your subs and how big the company is, it could be anywhere from a couple hundred dollars to thousands. I know mike vapes is adamant about not taking money from manufacturers for review but most of them do take the money. I've been offered by a few companies, they asked me how much do i charge, i told them nothing. I won't take money for reviewing something on my channel but then again i don't take money for anything lol i don't even monetize. I have no issues with people doing so though, it's hard work and a lot of time spent to make reviews. making money is deserved as long as they don't alter their review based on the money. that's the issue i have

Thanks, it all sounds a bit complicated... lol
Yeah, I agree, doing a video is your time and money being spent, and if your going to be doing it on a regular basis, you
need some compensation.. but then there is the whole ethics thing.. like how can you help not being a little biased when
someone is paying you a few grand to do the video? If you trash them, they are unlikely to send you any more products
to review, and if they are a big spender, that means you will not be seeing their $$ any more....

 

[Psychobunny]

Yep understand completely. I ve read most of the threads here about the Wismec 510 grounding problem. I've not had this mod apart yet but if it starts getting flakey in normal mode I will take it apart and solder in a ground wire. True that most people wont be able to do that and NO ONE should have to given a mfgr's responsibility to a customer base. You and I and a few others understand that the cost of a ground wire is a hell of a lot less than the cost of handling returns, customer ill will and having unhappy distributors. Sounds like someone isnt doing a very good cost analysis. I bought it because the options here in Ecuador were extremely limited and given what I have seen the problems are purported to be I I can fix at least the ground part of it. If the 510 female press fit in the mod takes a crap well thats something else. But yeah it is frustrating for a lot of people. From my very limited experience with this mod and from RTA's that occasionally will wet the 510, the connection has to be spot on and completely clean to do real time resistance measurements. I cant help but wonder if in TC mode, one doesnt need to be a lot more careful to wipe out the 510 female on any mod and the 510 male on whatever tank one is putting on? Just a thought. And yep I can see where a dev would be pissed.[/QUOTE

Well, I personally dont like the idea of having to take it apart to solder in a ground wire, but if anyone here on the forum has done it, and
it works, then I will do it too.. just post pics please...
Seems like something that simple would have been noticed and fixed by now, so I am thinking there are some serious communications
and attitude problems at Wismec.....

 

[SirRichardRear]

I totally agree! Just popularity contest to make the views up.
I'm ignoring the rest of the posts cos that dude has freaking hijacked the thread an sent a load of messages.
Feel free to PM though, you seem like a good guy

Lmao yeah he does that. Every here kinda ignores him.

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