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Hello,

I've been doing some searching, and I was wondering why some people prefer using a mech mod over a regulated device.

The most obvious one was for those who build crazy sub ohm builds to use a parallel mech mod, but other than that, why do you guys/gals prefer a mech?

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Personally i prefer the punch, as i call it, of a mech not that for me no regulated mod has ever provided... thats pretty much it, besides aesthetics.

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Personally I don't care for mech's much anymore. Using DNA 200's you have way too many options available for just about a perfect vape.
 

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Mech's are simple, not much to go wrong or break. With electronics, it's kind of when not if. But as inspects noted, with the dna200 there are endless options, and you can dial in a preheat punch that will outdo anything this side of a Noisy Cricket.
 

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Size, aesthetics, and fun. Simply put, typically mechs are more efficient on the use of space, they are easier to make so you see a lot of prettier things, and it's fun to tinker with them and the coils to perfect the vape.
 

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mechs are simple. they are easy to fix, easy to mod..in an emergency. no boards to break...you can drop a mech in the river when out fishing..they hit nice, they are beautiful and they don't look like tonka trucks....
 

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In short: size, simplicity, robustness.
My daily carry is a SMPL mod with a derringer atom on top of it, 22mm diameter by 105mm drip tip included, as powerful as I'd ever need but easily concealed.
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mechs are simple. they are easy to fix, easy to mod..in an emergency. no boards to break...you can drop a mech in the river when out fishing..they hit nice, they are beautiful and they don't look like tonka trucks....

how and what kind of hook did you attach to the mech mod? And what kind of fish hit that nice?
 

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Honestly, I use mechs because they look nice and dead simple. They require maintenance. They require a very good knowledge of coil building. You need know battery safety well. They are a pain to get consistent vapes from because as your batteries drain the vape weakens. And that said my ADV is a noisy cricket.
 

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I enjoy the simplicity and elegance of a mech. No frills and no gimmicky nonsense. I know what I want and how to get it. I have simple needs. Even something as basic as a Sig 150w TC is more than I find I really need for my drippers. I'd rather have something something smaller and more rugged. Honestly, dialing in the wattage is just extra hassle for me.

I learned to build on mechs, so for me, it's much more intuitive to build to mass and power level at 'natural' voltage. I can build for a mech and have a pretty good idea of how it's going to perform. They work the way I want them to with no need for adjustments. I have a wide range of different builds for different devices mapped out in my head.

The way mechs hit is unique, too. I like to think of it as natural temperature control. The initial peak is enough to get the coils up to the desired temperature, by which point the voltage is going down, thus maintaining more of a steady plateau, whereas a regulated mod delivers consistent wattage that drives the temperature ever higher at an increasing rate. Mechs offer a more balanced heating curve - they plateau. It's really difficult to describe why, but I prefer the way mechs hit and a lot of it has to do with that power roll-off. I find it easier to take deeper hits, even with very hot builds.

I personally think that everyone should, when they're ready, pick up a mech and learn to build for one. It really has a way of expanding your understanding of what makes coils perform in certain ways. It teaches you to be more deliberate with your builds and makes the whole process of coming up with and trying coils a lot more challenging and enjoyable. It's a good exercise for experienced vapers. What you learn while building for mechs carries over to other types of mods.

I especially love a good unregulated series vape. The extra voltage lets you build massive coils with finer gauges, which I find brings out a lot more nuance in flavor than you can get from those super-low-end sub-ohm builds. I like the heating properties of the finer gauges, too. Though they're still big coils, there's still less mass, so they can be made to deliver a very hot vape that never overheats. They gain heat faster with less current and also lose heat just as quickly. Building for series is tricky at first, but once you understand a few fundamental things, you realize that it makes controlling heat much, much easier... ...especially for your high-surface-area builds.

Series also gives you kick-ass battery life. You can run a .4 for ~160w and only draw 20A. A more reasonable .65 gives you about 100w for 12A. So it's comparable to running a series regulated mod... ...sometimes even better because a mod with no circuitry is more power-efficient, whereas a regulated mod will sacrifice some power just to run the buck converter.
 

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zombie never at a loss for words..... an excellent post.you have got me intirgued about trying a series mech....though as an old stick in the mud set in his ways low sub ohming will always be just an occasional diversion for me.
 

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zombie never at a loss for words..... an excellent post.you have got me intirgued about trying a series mech....though as an old stick in the mud set in his ways low sub ohming will always be just an occasional diversion for me.
Well series you don't low sub ohm, you high sub ohm :p, seriously though series is nice.
 

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zombie never at a loss for words..... an excellent post.you have got me intirgued about trying a series mech....though as an old stick in the mud set in his ways low sub ohming will always be just an occasional diversion for me.
Haha, I think I've been pretty quiet these past couple of weeks...

The beauty of series is that you don't even have to sub-ohm. You can run right at an ohm with dual 28's... ...even higher with singles. Series does low-mid power vapes very well and the battery life is insane. Series is probably the best way to get a similar experience to that of a really low sub-ohm tube mod vape, only in a more practical and power-efficient manner, but that's not all it's good for. It can accommodate a wide variety of vape styles... ...much wider than tube and parallel mods, I would say. I think there's a series mod vape out there for everyone to enjoy.

Seems like everyone who tries them likes them, anyway. If you're familiar with standard mechs, then it's just a different set of parameters... ...same basic principles at work, but the experience is much better, imo. You get the range and battery life of a twin-battery regulated mod with the reliability, form-factor, and unique characteristics of a unregulated mod.

If you're okay with hybrids, then the Noisy Cricket can be had for $22 from eciggity. They're great little mechs. Cheap enough to buy as a toy, but good enough to keep around as a workhorse mod.
 
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Mech's are simple, not much to go wrong or break. With electronics, it's kind of when not if. But as inspects noted, with the dna200 there are endless options, and you can dial in a preheat punch that will outdo anything this side of a Noisy Cricket.
How do i give it more punch, i have an efusion....

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@robot zombie
I agree with both your posts 100%... i dont get the same experience on the dna200 i get from a mech, especially a series one.

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I also learned to build on mechs and its nice to just plug n play somehow its always a pleasurable vape (of course if you build well) regardless if tube, parallel or series and you dont dont have to dial through wattage to see where it hits good its like it just does....

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The Noisy Cricket is just a great ADV. CrazyChef built me some .8 - .9 coils (single set up) and honestly theb batteries last me four five hours and I chain vape. It's like vaping at 75-80 watts. It draws less than 10 amps. Pretty damn efficient I must say. I also have an hannya series at around .45 ohms on a non-hybrid. It has a massive voltage drop with =mosfet etc., but it vapes well,above 100 watts on a 13th heavens single coil. Strangely it does not feel as strong a hit as the cricket as the 510 connection really does make a difference.

Now an option I use - when home - are my two VV only mods in series. I have the Hexangel and the LE80 and although regulated with a potentiometer they feel like mechs. These I can get to hit as hard as I like. I generally vape em at around 4.5 volts on a .2 ohm - .3 ohm coil. This is also around 100 watts.

Honestly though I can set my IPV5 to hit as hard or my Helve. My Cuboid and Stout limit me to 25 amps amd do not allow me to use very low builds and vape at high wattage. The others let me. And that is the issue with regulated - they regulate me. So I generally use RTAs on my regulated devices and stick with RDAs on my mechs and VVs.
 

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Wow thank you guys for a ton of good info. I guess I've never tried hitting on a mech so I am still not sure what that would draw like. I gotta admit, I am a sucker for aesthetics and most regulated devices are either too big, or don't look good to me. While I like convenience for my work days, seems like a mech would be something to try on my weekends.
 

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How do i give it more punch, i have an efusion....

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In Escribe on each Profile tab down near the bottom is preheat, punch, and time limit. Max would be 200 watts at 11 punch. Default is 1 second, that is plenty. That will take you straight to whatever temp you have set pretty much instantly. Not that it will be pleasant lol, but it will be quick.
 
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Haha, I think I've been pretty quiet these past couple of weeks...

The beauty of series is that you don't even have to sub-ohm. You can run right at an ohm with dual 28's... ...even higher with singles. Series does low-mid power vapes very well and the battery life is insane. Series is probably the best way to get a similar experience to that of a really low sub-ohm tube mod vape, only in a more practical and power-efficient manner, but that's not all it's good for. It can accommodate a wide variety of vape styles... ...much wider than tube and parallel mods, I would say. I think there's a series mod vape out there for everyone to enjoy.

Seems like everyone who tries them likes them, anyway. If you're familiar with standard mechs, then it's just a different set of parameters... ...same basic principles at work, but the experience is much better, imo. You get the range and battery life of a twin-battery regulated mod with the reliability, form-factor, and unique characteristics of an unregulated mod.

If you're okay with hybrids, then the Noisy Cricket can be had for $22 from eciggity. They're great little mechs. Cheap enough to buy as a toy, but good enough to keep around as a workhorse mod.

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Haha, I think I've been pretty quiet these past couple of weeks...

The beauty of series is that you don't even have to sub-ohm. You can run right at an ohm with dual 28's... ...even higher with singles. Series does low-mid power vapes very well and the battery life is insane. Series is probably the best way to get a similar experience to that of a really low sub-ohm tube mod vape, only in a more practical and power-efficient manner, but that's not all it's good for. It can accommodate a wide variety of vape styles... ...much wider than tube and parallel mods, I would say. I think there's a series mod vape out there for everyone to enjoy.

Seems like everyone who tries them likes them, anyway. If you're familiar with standard mechs, then it's just a different set of parameters... ...same basic principles at work, but the experience is much better, imo. You get the range and battery life of a twin-battery regulated mod with the reliability, form-factor, and unique characteristics of an unregulated mod.

If you're okay with hybrids, then the Noisy Cricket can be had for $22 from eciggity. They're great little mechs. Cheap enough to buy as a toy, but good enough to keep around as a workhorse mod.
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I prefer mechanical myself. Its just dead simple, and theres no reason it cant be used for years, if not decades.

I like the feel of metal and simplicity. I enjoy the subtle changes of performance and taste as the battery looses it strength.

Like many, I learned rebuilding on a mech, learned all the aspects of safety and performance on a mech. Its kinda cool how a single loop of wire can affect taste and performance.

Anyway, I do have a couple reg devices and they are nice, but it bugs me that someday the board will go out and I will be left with a nice wood and stainless paper weight. I wish that the LED screen could have some sort of sliding piece to hide it when you are not adjusting etc.

For me reg devices dont blow my mind or make vaping any better or worse. Just different.

Ive always preferred manual transmissions so maybe thats why Im drawn to mechs?

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The only use I have found for my Boxer DNA 200 has been to dry burn TC coils. I am very familiar with eScribe, have run battery analyzer and have it configured with custom TCR curves for different materials. It provides a good vape. But when I use it, I feel like a fucking girl...I can't stand that.
 

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The only use I have found for my Boxer DNA 200 has been to dry burn TC coils. I am very familiar with eScribe, have run battery analyzer and have it configured with custom TCR curves for different materials. It provides a good vape. But when I use it, I feel like a fucking girl...I can't stand that.
Ha ha, I know what you mean. I have the Reuleaux DNA 200, spent time dialing everything in from the batteries to the chassis in. Messed around with custom TCR, etc myself. Then with the looming government regulations pending I went to Mech's as a failsafe. Damn, totally fell in love with them. Only thing I use my regulated Mod's for are dry burning and to test my builds before running on my Mech's.

Regulated Mod's even with the DNA 200 pre-punch just doesn't do it for me. Also with the amount of detail you need to be aware of with Mech's there gives me even greater gratification ya know.

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The performance I get from my single 18650 tube mechs is not on the same level as what I can dial in on the Hcigar 200. None of them are hybrid cap, that may be part of it. The Noisy Cricket, which I seem to use most of the time, delivers what I had been searching for.
 

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The performance I get from my single 18650 tube mechs is not on the same level as what I can dial in on the Hcigar 200. None of them are hybrid cap, that may be part of it. The Noisy Cricket, which I seem to use most of the time, delivers what I had been searching for.
That's what I started with and how I felt. I didn't know how to build well and just couldn't get the oomph out of a tube that I wanted. Now that I know a bit more I've been able to dial in a few builds that have worked wonderfully on them. My favorite is a 24gSS cored Fused clapton.
 

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Don't get me wrong, they vape fine. Just not on the level I was looking for. And I'm not an expert wire twister, but have tried quite a few, from single strand to fc's and staples. Just started making staples, they work but can't seem to make 'em purty like Chef and others. But I digress, and don't mean to hijack this thread...
 

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No need to worry anshutz54, the thread is what are the benefits of one or the other, so youre on track.

Usually threads like this seem to end up with high power reg fans bashing mech users. Nice to see that so far there has been no "bashing"

Every one likes different things for different reasons, and there is NO wrong reason, its personal.

For some mechs are just plain comfort. Regulated users are people that like consistency and others just love the power and all the bells and whistles. WHat ever the reason what is most important is that it all the choices are there.

Try both, see how they satisfy. I guess its human nature to want to have the "best" but not necessarily whats best for our own reason.

PS. Some will argue safety, but both have their pros and cons and it all comes down to being aware and sensible. To be aware of your gear and limitations.

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Copper Arthas with Kennedy 24 on top is one of a few 26650s i own. It looks great and gets comments for sure. I like the 26650 for battery life but the Kennedy 24 is just not giving me the kick and flavor I like. And even with better battery life my cricket can be vaped longer before dying. I much prefer my series mechs with 22 mm attys.

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Overall I find it to be a more pleasant experience. I got back into vaping a few months ago and when I was last buying hardware regulated devices were not the norm or easy to come buy. When I jumped back in this time started with several regulated devices and quickly drifted back to mechs. I like the form factor, ease of use, and reliability. As others above mentioned, the power delivery is different and I enjoy the vape it provides. I will always keep a regulated device around, but will most likely replace mine with non-screened devices like the Hexohm. Any adjustability beyond power output is a wasted feature on me. Vaping on this one today, love the small form factor
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Single battery mech is great for stealth vaping, I prefer parallel or series for they deliver the best performance for me. I really love both my 26650 parallel and series mods. They're basic Hammond box mods but deliver perfect for me.

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Keep thinking about getting a HogV2 for around the house. Being 2 sets of series in parallel, it should deliver (in theory) 8.4v but have better battery life and I think it would handle a lower resistance than dual 18650 series like the Noisy Cricket. Parallel doesn't double the amps I know, but how much it does is proving to be difficult info to obtain. I read one review saying that .05 ohms is safe, but I find that hard to believe. My knowledge of electricity is weak, but I don't see how it could handle anything more than half the resistance of the NC. Reasonable safety margin on the NC is .4 ohm, so I'm guessing .2 ohm but can't find a reliable source to know for sure.

8.4v divided by .05 ohm = 168 amps...right?
 
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Keep thinking about getting a HogV2 for around the house. Being 2 sets of series in parallel, it should deliver (in theory) 8.4v but have better battery life and I think it would handle a lower resistance than dual 18650 series like the Noisy Cricket. Parallel doesn't double the amps I know, but how much it does is proving to be difficult info to obtain. I read one review saying that .05 ohms is safe, but I find that hard to believe. My knowledge of electricity is weak, but I don't see how it could handle anything more than half the resistance of the NC. Reasonable safety margin on the NC is .4 ohm, so I'm guessing .2 ohm but can't find a reliable source to know for sure.
Parallel in theory does provide double the amps, it's just that we know there is loss in the system so the overboard safety rule is 1.5X, somewhere between 1.5X and 2X is the actual measure. That said, do you really need to vape something at400w+
 

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No, but it would be nice to be able to use lower ohm builds in 22mm attys, it's sometimes hard to stuff in enough wraps of more complex wire to be safe in dual series 18650's.
 

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Parallel in theory does provide double the amps, it's just that we know there is loss in the system so the overboard safety rule is 1.5X, somewhere between 1.5X and 2X is the actual measure. That said, do you really need to vape something at400w+

So if you are using 20amp continuous discharge batteries, with the dual parallel series configuration it would be like 30 amp batteries. Sorry to be so clueless, just trying to be safe.

edit - don't know what battery sag would be on the HogV2, but if it's putting out 7.8v on fully charged batteries, then .26ohm would be the safety limit if you can use 30 amps as a basis. That would be better, but not sure if it warrants buying one (clone).

Well crap, I can't even find a HogV2 now except for e bay...
 
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So if you are using 20amp continuous discharge batteries, with the dual parallel series configuration it would be like 30 amp batteries. Sorry to be so clueless, just trying to be safe.

edit - don't know what battery sag would be on the HogV2, but if it's putting out 7.8v on fully charged batteries, then .26ohm would be the safety limit if you can use 30 amps as a basis. That would be better, but not sure if it warrants buying one (clone).

Well crap, I can't even find a HogV2 now except for e bay...
Me, I just got a 26650 series Mod and use 30mm RDA'S, +5 amps and bigger build deck. Works very well so I can use bigger coils with SS.

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So if you are using 20amp continuous discharge batteries, with the dual parallel series configuration it would be like 30 amp batteries. Sorry to be so clueless, just trying to be safe.

edit - don't know what battery sag would be on the HogV2, but if it's putting out 7.8v on fully charged batteries, then .26ohm would be the safety limit if you can use 30 amps as a basis. That would be better, but not sure if it warrants buying one (clone).

Well crap, I can't even find a HogV2 now except for e bay...
I always just figure battery sag as taking 4.2 to 3.7, so series you're going from 8.4 to 7.4. As far as parallel with the "safety rule" you go from 20amp to 30 amp yes, though realistically you can go beyond that. Personally I love my 25rs, they treat me well and I've heard of "horror" stories that end up being nothing more than an inconvenience rather than a disaster. I consider them as a safe pulse up to 25amps, and all the research I've read on them has made me confident of that. Not saying they're actually 25amp continuous, just that you're pretty damn safe at that. So I would be surprised if with 25rs if you ran into any issues at 40amps with a parallel build. Between the inaccurate 50% rule and the safety of 25rs you should be fine pushing that far. Then again, at .24-28Ω(range between counting sag vs not) you'd get your 30 amp rating, and that would yield 222w+ (assuming sag, higher if not). Is that really necessary?
 

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Thank you for all your inputs.

I have been vaping on regulated devices since the mvp 2.0 came out, and I do now want to try something new for me.

Seems my tastes have evolved as well as the technology. I never thought I would need more than 8 watts of power back then. Ha!

I am really liking the noisy cricket. But I am always on the go, and take very short 5 min vape breaks during my work days. Upon further research into the mod, it seems counterintuitive for it to not have a locking button for someone like me who doesn't have much time. I would have to either pull out the batteries or pull off the atty and store it elsewhere everytime I stop to vape.

For those who use their mechs on a daily basis, what do you do when stopping for a short break? Or is it something you get used to, pulling out atty and etc?
 

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Necessary? No. But what I think @anschutz54 is getting after is the ability to build heafty coils, that while technically lower ohm builds are going to take a great deal of power to heat up.
I hear you, but using regulated mods I have .1-.15Ω where I don't find them good or capable pushing much over 150w. So I think something like dual 26gK FCs or the like at around .25Ω should be more than sufficient for a high quality vape and possibly still getting too much wattage.
 

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Thank you for all your inputs.

I have been vaping on regulated devices since the mvp 2.0 came out, and I do now want to try something new for me.

Seems my tastes have evolved as well as the technology. I never thought I would need more than 8 watts of power back then. Ha!

I am really liking the noisy cricket. But I am always on the go, and take very short 5 min vape breaks during my work days. Upon further research into the mod, it seems counterintuitive for it to not have a locking button for someone like me who doesn't have much time. I would have to either pull out the batteries or pull off the atty and store it elsewhere everytime I stop to vape.

For those who use their mechs on a daily basis, what do you do when stopping for a short break? Or is it something you get used to, pulling out atty and etc?

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Thank you for all your inputs.

I have been vaping on regulated devices since the mvp 2.0 came out, and I do now want to try something new for me.

Seems my tastes have evolved as well as the technology. I never thought I would need more than 8 watts of power back then. Ha!

I am really liking the noisy cricket. But I am always on the go, and take very short 5 min vape breaks during my work days. Upon further research into the mod, it seems counterintuitive for it to not have a locking button for someone like me who doesn't have much time. I would have to either pull out the batteries or pull off the atty and store it elsewhere everytime I stop to vape.

For those who use their mechs on a daily basis, what do you do when stopping for a short break? Or is it something you get used to, pulling out atty and etc?
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Thank you for all your inputs.

I have been vaping on regulated devices since the mvp 2.0 came out, and I do now want to try something new for me.

Seems my tastes have evolved as well as the technology. I never thought I would need more than 8 watts of power back then. Ha!

I am really liking the noisy cricket. But I am always on the go, and take very short 5 min vape breaks during my work days. Upon further research into the mod, it seems counterintuitive for it to not have a locking button for someone like me who doesn't have much time. I would have to either pull out the batteries or pull off the atty and store it elsewhere everytime I stop to vape.

For those who use their mechs on a daily basis, what do you do when stopping for a short break? Or is it something you get used to, pulling out atty and etc?
Personally I leave my mechs at home, as well as all my best vapes. I take a "traveller" build, Pico + Diablo to work to vape there. That said, you don't need to remove the atty or batteries, simply flip the firing button and push it down and screw it in. This way the Delrin is making contact with the battery (not firing) instead of the metal. Then simply unscrew, rescrew, vape away and replace it when finished. My vape breaks are typically 1min max, just take a puff here and there so I take the regulated mod such that I can pull it from my pocket take a puff or two and move on. The whole swap back and forth takes a minute or so, so you'd still get a solid 4mins of vaping! :bliss:
 

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