I have the reuleaux rx200, the snow wolf 200, and the evic vtc mini. They're all great boxes. I'm looking for something that goes up to about 200w. I'd be fine with 150. I heard a lot of great things about the sigelei 150w TC, actually I heard a lot of good things about sigelei in general. I also really like the looks of the Panzer box mod. I'm looking for something unique and big, that's what really attracted me to the Panzer. Any suggestions?
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Wait for the new Sigelei 213W.
http://www.asmodus.com/Sigelei-213W-Temperature-Control-Variable-Box-Mod-p/sigelei-213w.htm
http://www.asmodus.com/Sigelei-213W-Temperature-Control-Variable-Box-Mod-p/sigelei-213w.htm
I've been happy with my Kangertech equipment. They now have the 120w & a 200w.
I just ordered the 120w to replace my Kanger 50w.
I just ordered the 120w to replace my Kanger 50w.
http://www.kangeronline.com/products/kanger-kbox-mod-120w?variant=9234193925
Once I added a Crown tank to my Kanger Nano it was really nice.
The Crown is great for flavor & clouds. I just felt it was time for more power & I wanted to get the most out of .25 coils, so I ordered the 120w. I found it at Vaping Cheap for $31.00.
Once I added a Crown tank to my Kanger Nano it was really nice.
The Crown is great for flavor & clouds. I just felt it was time for more power & I wanted to get the most out of .25 coils, so I ordered the 120w. I found it at Vaping Cheap for $31.00.
Your mod isn't where your clouds come from, it just powers what produces your clouds. Your coils are what produce the clouds, as long as they're getting ample power you're good. Looks like you got all the mod you'd ever need. The thing you want to look for is it's minimum resistance and output amperage/voltage. Can it actually power a .1Ω framed staple coil at 150w? Or is it going to read 150w and actually give you 80w? If you're cloud chasing you should look into some RTA's.
The Triton isn't limited to 50w but the Triton coils are. I believe the Herekles (not plus) coils fit in it though which are rated to go up to 100w. More wattage doesn't necessarily mean more clouds though. That's generally surface area but mixed with a whole bunch of other factors including airflow (more air means more diluted flavor but larger thinner clouds).
This might be stuff you already know, but reading your comments it sounds like you may be a bit newer. I just wouldn't waste a bunch of money on redundant boxes. If I were you I'd be looking into RTAs and how they work (do the research first), maybe grab the Dual Coil TFV4 RBA, or just play with the clapton one that may have come with your TFV4 Mini. If you can figure out how they work and what not I'd say grab a Griffin/Gemini RTA and either make your own Parallel/zipper/fused claptons and enjoy it, or maybe hit up @CrazyChef (purecoils.com) or @raymo2u to get some very nice coils made for it that will blow your mind. The way I see it the TFV4 Quad Coil is the best cloud chucking factory coil option I've used, but that's like a 4 or 5 where a Griffin with a Fused clapton is like a 9, and the Aliens I got from chef a 10... and I'd bet some of the crazier stuff those guys do will go all the way to 11!
I've never built any coils of my own, but I definitely want to eventually, I just don't want to mess it up. I heard amazing things about the griffin. I just quit cigarettes about 2 months ago, so yes, I am kind of new to vaping. I used to have the aspire nautilis and the vamo v5 back in 2013, but sadly, I went back to cigarettes after that. Now there are so many options. I tried a cigarette after vaping for these past 2 months and they are absolutely disgusting. It just became kind of an addiction to buy the prettiest mods out there, lol. Do you have any advice on building your own coils and what is your favorite setup? Are you into cloud chasing? Thank you for your reply, everyone is so nice on here. I wasn't even expecting anyone to reply!
I'm pretty sure you can build the snow wolf down to 0.05, but I'm not really sure. I love my snow wolf though, it's so pretty and it goes so well with my rose gold uwell crown as well as my gold herakles. I'm not sure how low my rx200 can build down to, I just got it yesterday and I absolutely adore it. Especially with my tfv4.
(Sorry for the long post, hope I don't overwhelm you)
Not huge on cloud chasing, but that's more of it not being my goal but I sure as hell blow some big clouds with my preferred setups. I'm more about the flavor seeing as I already fog out my room within 5 minutes of getting home. So I'm just more than satisfied in that area.
I'd suggest grabbing the dual coil RBA for your TFV4 as well as a roll of 26g Kanthal, that's about the best starting point you can get considering you already have the TFV4. The only better option would to be ordering a cheap RBA off Fast Tech or a similar website as then the wicking isn't as fickle, but learning how wicking works is a useful tool as well. Lastly I'd grab up some cheap decent juice as you will be wasting a bit while you learn (leaking or just having to dump some to try and fix a build). VerdeValleyVapes is my favorite juice and when you buy in bulk it's as cheap as it gets too, but whatever you want to get, I just wouldn't use any premium juices until you know your setup is solid and it won't be wasted. For coil wrapping a tool like the Coilmaster v3 is a great little thing, but you can grab a set of precision screwdrivers for a buck at the dollar store and use those while you learn. Last thing you'd need is some snippers though when starting out with 26g you can use nailclippers, again a buck at the dollar store. When you get more advanced there's more tools you'll want but that'd get you started. Last thing is just some wicking material, I use Koh Gen Doh which you can grab a year (or more) supply off Amazon and it's easy to use and works decently
As far as my favorite setup, well that's tough, there are different aspects that different setups give that I like. I use a single coil build on my Haze RTA 22g fused clapton, works like a charm coming in at .14Ω, just a very pure flavor from a cooler dense vape. I have CrazyChef's Alien Coils in my Griffin and as far as your typical cloud/flavor performance it's the best I've had without overheating the tank. My Avocado is my screw around device where I put my own Fused Clapton creations on to continue my own learning experience. Then I got a Mini Volt with my old Atlantis tank on it for travel. Different mood/need and it's a different setup that fits it.
VU is a very welcoming community, a lot of the stuff I know I learned here, probably over half, the rest from my own fiddling and research.
If I were to make any suggestion it'd be like I said to pick up that RBA and start playing, and as a goal, to get the wicking down and understand what you're doing. Do the research on coilbuilding from youtube and learning Ohm's Law (always check the ohm reading on your mod with a quick pulse before you start vaping on it, at least until you get an ohmmeter). The goal being to understand all that stuff then move on to something like a Griffin and even if you can't build the crazy alien/staple/whatever coils there are places where you can buy them, and if you understand the wicking and safety regulations you'll be fine doing so. Heck for the price those two guys I spoke about sometimes it's worth buying them rather than stressing for perfection yourself
And to end it, the Snowwolf and the RX200 are both great devices and until you get into the crazy things the few better devices won't get you any better results. So don't splurge and waste money on something that you won't be using for a while. Just make sure you got some good batteries (Samsung 25r's are my favorites, but Samsung 30q's and LG HG2s are probably the best bet for regulated mods) liionwholesale.com is a great place to get them so you know they're authentic. Do not use MXJO/EFest/Imren, or really anything other than Samsung, LG, or Sony batteries.
I think the best 200 watts mods are using the DNA200 chip. See this thread for a look at 5 different models:
Blood Red Lavabox
Here's a link to an article showing a lot of different DNA200 mods out at the moment.
http://vaping360.com/dna-200-box-mods/
Cheers,
Steve
I have 5 lg hg2 batteries (brown batteries), 3000 mah. They are amazing. I love the looks of the Griffin and it's so unique. If you haven't guessed, unique is my prefer style . I love things that stand out. You've been a great help to me. When I ordered the snow wolf I also got the legion rda because it matched, but I didn't want to build because just filling up my sub ohm tank is way easier. However, I heard a lot of great things about rtas, and I think I want to go down that route especially after talking to an actual person, rather than watching YouTube videos. I really do appreciate all of your help! I heard that the regular tfv4(not the mini) messes up the spring loaded pin in my rx200, do you know anything about that? Would the mini mess my mod up? I don't want it to break because it's an amazing mod and it's definitely one of a kind.
. I love things that stand out. You've been a great help to me. When I ordered the snow wolf I also got the legion rda because it matched, but I didn't want to build because just filling up my sub ohm tank is way easier. However, I heard a lot of great things about rtas, and I think I want to go down that route especially after talking to an actual person, rather than watching YouTube videos. I really do appreciate all of your help! I heard that the regular tfv4(not the mini) messes up the spring loaded pin in my rx200, do you know anything about that? Would the mini mess my mod up? I don't want it to break because it's an amazing mod and it's definitely one of a kind.I don't really know much about the DNA 200 mod, but rip trippers has an introduction to it, I never really looked into them because they were so expensive, however I am looking for quality/ uniqueness and a lot of people on this website and reddit said amazing things about their chip. I don't really know much about how to upgrade their firmware though. Doesn't the panzer have the DNA chip in it?
@Break-19 I know he used/uses the TFV4 on the RX200 so he might have some insight on that thing.
I don't have that mod, want it, but don't have it because, well, like I was saying you don't need to go crazy, I'm in the same boat. What I have powers what I use more than well enough and therefor I can't justify throwing extra money out there. I mean I'm sitting here with an unused Sigelei 150w already, why would I want to retire another mod just to get the same vape? But, I'm a bit different than you as I don't value aesthetics as much, my brother's wife calls me a Functionista.
The DNA chip is the standard premium chip, it's your top of the line. Again though, until you start using temperature control or pushing the limitations of the mods you have (really no need and even if so it'll be a while till you do) you just won't be seeing any gain from it.
Put that RDA to use! yes it's inconvenient but there's nothing better to learn coilbuilding on, you won't waste nearly as much juice as you would learning on an RTA and in general it's easier to build on. Once you get coilbuilding down then it's just wicking, which each RTA is a bit different with, so jumping in head first on whatever RTA/RBA you end up using won't be a bad idea.
Last thing, Rip Trippers is a youtube sales person. He's an advertisement avenue for the people that make these devices and not much else. Most of the big Youtube names are the same, they don't give their true opinions they just build up hype for the item they were sold. Now, within that when you read between the lines and just look at what they're showing you get a lot of great information, but just don't take their misleading "opinions" as fact. Just be a skeptical viewer/consumer and don't throw money at every shiney they promote or you'll find yourself running out of vape funds for something that is really worth getting.
I don't have that mod, want it, but don't have it because, well, like I was saying you don't need to go crazy, I'm in the same boat. What I have powers what I use more than well enough and therefor I can't justify throwing extra money out there. I mean I'm sitting here with an unused Sigelei 150w already, why would I want to retire another mod just to get the same vape? But, I'm a bit different than you as I don't value aesthetics as much, my brother's wife calls me a Functionista.
The DNA chip is the standard premium chip, it's your top of the line. Again though, until you start using temperature control or pushing the limitations of the mods you have (really no need and even if so it'll be a while till you do) you just won't be seeing any gain from it.
Put that RDA to use! yes it's inconvenient but there's nothing better to learn coilbuilding on, you won't waste nearly as much juice as you would learning on an RTA and in general it's easier to build on. Once you get coilbuilding down then it's just wicking, which each RTA is a bit different with, so jumping in head first on whatever RTA/RBA you end up using won't be a bad idea.
Last thing, Rip Trippers is a youtube sales person. He's an advertisement avenue for the people that make these devices and not much else. Most of the big Youtube names are the same, they don't give their true opinions they just build up hype for the item they were sold. Now, within that when you read between the lines and just look at what they're showing you get a lot of great information, but just don't take their misleading "opinions" as fact. Just be a skeptical viewer/consumer and don't throw money at every shiney they promote or you'll find yourself running out of vape funds for something that is really worth getting.
I'm not sure if it really matters to you or not but be aware that 2 x 18650 mods rarely produce 200 watts of power. Most will pulse over 150 watts. These mods are wired in series and at 8.4v (fully charged batteries) and 20 amps you would get 168 watts (less as your batteries lose charge). Your batteries have a CDR of 20 amps. I now see Sigelei is coming out with a 2 x 18650 mod rated at over 200 watts. To me that's a marketing department run amok. It's all just marketing.
Watts = voltage x amps
Watts = voltage x amps
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I agree with what you are saying Jerus - I was just responding to the thread title - Best Regulated Box Mod. To me DNA200 based mods are the best regulated box mods. A big part of that is how good they are at TC.
Cheers,
Steve
I didn't know that about rip trippers and I definitely will start practicing with the legion. I'm sure practicing with a not so known or good rda will definitely help me. Wingsfan: I know for a fact my snow wolf pulses after 150. I don't know about my rx200 though, I just got it yesterday.
Very helpful! Both of you!
Very helpful! Both of you!
I tried TC with my snow wolf with the crown, and I absolutely love temperature control. Like what twisted420(or something along those lines) said that temperature control is better because you don't get as much dry hits. He was saying usually he gets those burn hits but with tc, he doesn't as much. But I don't know honestly. I prefer tc, I always said that. The taste is better. Do any of you guys know the details about it? I would rather hear it from an actual person than the internet
The RX200 is 3 x 18650 batteries wired in series (11.1v nominal - 12.6v fully charged) so it doesn't pulse. I was speaking about dual 18650 mods (7.4v nominal - 8.4v fully charged).
Cheers,
Steve
Naw I totally agree Wingsfan, just don't want to see the guy spending money for features he won't use, now if it's just for the aesthetics and he wants it anyways, by all means, just educated purchasing is always good.
And mjjmfa, it will still fire after setting them that high, or at least the ones I have will, but doesn't mean you'll get the power it says it is giving. Thanks to the Bluetooth connection on my XCube I realized that and it all made sense once I looked into it. I had a build in the RBA deck for the TFV4 that could really be pushed, so I cranked my XCube to the advertised 180w limit, it vaped fine, looked on the bluetooth thing, I was only getting 135w of power, scratched my head, read up, did the math and it made sense that it capped at that amount, because otherwise it would have been unsafe for my batteries. Anyways, Mod said 180w, it fired, bluetooth said 135w, dropped the mod to read 135w and it vaped the same...
As far as TC, I'm just not a big fan of what I've tried with it, so I'll let those who've looked more into it comment on it. One thing though is what it's doing is measuring the change in resistance of your coil, as they heat up some metals change resistance, that's why it's typically use with nickel/titanium/stainless steel which have a stronger change so it's easier to detect. The Hohm Wrecker G2 is the only kanthal TC device I've heard of so far.
And, it's not just Rip Trippers but all those guys, it's why they're given those things for free. Some are more honest than others, but in the end what they're doing is acting as advertisers. I don't say this to bash them, but just to make you aware to have a bit of a skeptical outlook on those things.
And mjjmfa, it will still fire after setting them that high, or at least the ones I have will, but doesn't mean you'll get the power it says it is giving. Thanks to the Bluetooth connection on my XCube I realized that and it all made sense once I looked into it. I had a build in the RBA deck for the TFV4 that could really be pushed, so I cranked my XCube to the advertised 180w limit, it vaped fine, looked on the bluetooth thing, I was only getting 135w of power, scratched my head, read up, did the math and it made sense that it capped at that amount, because otherwise it would have been unsafe for my batteries. Anyways, Mod said 180w, it fired, bluetooth said 135w, dropped the mod to read 135w and it vaped the same...
As far as TC, I'm just not a big fan of what I've tried with it, so I'll let those who've looked more into it comment on it. One thing though is what it's doing is measuring the change in resistance of your coil, as they heat up some metals change resistance, that's why it's typically use with nickel/titanium/stainless steel which have a stronger change so it's easier to detect. The Hohm Wrecker G2 is the only kanthal TC device I've heard of so far.
And, it's not just Rip Trippers but all those guys, it's why they're given those things for free. Some are more honest than others, but in the end what they're doing is acting as advertisers. I don't say this to bash them, but just to make you aware to have a bit of a skeptical outlook on those things.
I watched a video on the hohm wrecker and it was the only one with kanthal tc. I think false advertisement is absolutely bullshit. Especially now hearing from you that the smok fired the exact same as when it was at 180. But I really appreciate the fact that you don't want me to waste my money on things like that, especially when a lot have false advertisement and probably a lot more than that. I really appreciate it.
It's the world we live in, and it's more about cherry picking the best qualities and labeling them individually rather than as a whole. If it is built to take a 25amp input and a 8v input then that means it can put out the 180w advertised. Now, to do that you'd need the right coil. IIRC my coil was .2Ω which means at 135w it'd be pulling almost 26amps, so if 25amps is the limit I'd have been exceeding it (though I'm going off memory so it may be different numbers, and I did have the "power" mode turned on which may allow it to exceed things slightly).
So they aren't lying, they're just duping uneducated people basically, which is still sad but again it's the world we live in, and if the competition does it, you kind of have to as well to keep up. Luckily in the battery realm the big 3 (LG/SOny/Samsung) aren't competing with the Efest/mXJO/Imren guys as they are about selling to people for other reasons than vaping so we at least get honesty from them.
But, that's just an example of why doing the research and learning how things work is so important.
This is also why I like the Samsung 25rs, while rated 20amp they can go to 25amps very safely which some mods will try to pull from a battery at higher wattage settings. So for safety sake it's good. Now doesn't mean 20amps are bad, first of all the ratings are for continuous discharge which realistically we don't do especially in regulated mods, and second if you don't use the 150w+ settings and don't have super low resistance coils you won't be pulling higher than the 20amps anways. And while it's a popular belief that low resistance is required for good flavor/clouds, it's far from the only factor and it does help but the reason it's so prevalent is because of mech mods. In mech mods low resistance means higher wattage so it is required there, but with regulated we can adjust the wattage as we wish so going to a .15Ω resistance isn't required at all to get those huge plumes. My dual coil .44Ω fused claptons put out better flavor and bigger clouds than some less than .2Ω coils I've built for instance.
You are absolutely right, especially when you put it that way. I'm still considered new to vaping, I just don't want the mods that new vapers have(low wattage ones). Can you explain to me a better way than the internet does about ohms, volts, and wattage? I'm sure there is more than that, but can you kind of dumb it down for me? I don't want to ruin any of my mods, they are all outstanding.
That's one of the main reasons I respect Evolv as much as I do. There 200 watt mods are 3 battery mods wired in series. The mods that use 2 batteries are limited to 133 watts. One of the only companies left that don't over promise and under deliver. Their mods actually can deliver what they are rated at. I must be old school because I respect that.
Cheers,
Steve
http://vapingunderground.com/threads/dont-buy-a-mech-if-you-dont-like-math.200372/
Not so much my post but the two posts I link at the bottom. The first is a plethora of information, worth reading eventually, but since you're not using a mech you don't need all of it right now. The second link at the bottom there is a common metaphor for the electrical stuff worth reading. I can't really put it better myself other than stating the formulas but they're in the top of the post of mine I'm linking. Ohms Law is the name of the game.
(Scroll up two posts for the long post from Robot Zombie, very smart man there)
I think a lot of us do, I know I do. I just accept that I'm going to be mislead, and being the frugal son of a bitch I am I'm willing to do my learning so I can save some money. I bought my XCube not just for the 160w but because it was cheap, I wanted a second mod for my other toppers, has a better ohmmeter than my sigelei, fires better than my sigelei, and it has pretty colors
. That said, in retrospect I wish I had waited a month or two when the market was flooded with equal or better quality and cheaper mods, but ehh it works more than adequately for me.Old school most of the time is the best way! (except for analogs/cigarettes) I love the fact that I'm getting information from every which way. People who consider themselves old school have wisdom, and I respect that a lot. I heard good things about the evolv as well.
Think of it like a water hose. Ohms is the resistance to the water flow,so a smaller hose will have more resistance for the water. A bigger hose will have less resistance. Think of the water as the current (amps). The force needed to push the water through the hose as the voltage. Wattage is the voltage X the current. So wattage would be like the water and the force needed to push it.
So with a higher resistance coil you will need more voltage to push the current.
A lower resistance coil will need less voltage to push the current.
I hope that makes sense. I know it can all be a bit confusing.
Cheers,
Steve
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Thank you guys! I'm going to look more into ohm's law, the guy at my smoke shop was saying that he wanted to put up a poster on it, but everytime he tried to do it, it didn't show up as big as he wanted, because it's a pretty long list. wingsfan: I'm pretty good at math so that picture makes sense to me!
We are throwing a lot at you all at once. You asked so I tried my best to explain it in a way that deals with water going through a hose. For a lot of people that makes more sense. Don't worry if you don't get it all at once. The main point is you want to understand and that puts you ahead of a lot of people. As time goes by it will all make more sense.
Cheers,
Steve
Cheers,
Steve
I crave knowledge and that's what makes people smart. I don't mind that you guys are throwing so much information at me, I know that I will definitely get it when I read more into it, but I really do appreciate it because I have to learn some way or another! People point of views are a lot more effective than advertisement reviews like most people on youtube. I like the fact you guys are backing up your information with sources/ links. I'm new to this website and again, I was not expecting this much help.
This is the VU that you get, there are areas where people shoot the shit, and the trolls like any forum, but when you ask for info it gets flooded at you as you try to keep your head above water and take in what you can. Give it a month or two and you'll be on the other side.
I'm with you on the sources thing, there are members here that I trust to basically always be right when they make a suggestion, but it doesn't stop me from doing at least 2 weeks of research before purchasing anything, sometimes over a month of pining over something before I pull the trigger. Again, I'm a frugal bastard, I'd say over my course of vaping I've probably only wasted $100, mostly on juices, but also 1 tank that I just never really used. Everything else I got my money's worth
I'm with you on the sources thing, there are members here that I trust to basically always be right when they make a suggestion, but it doesn't stop me from doing at least 2 weeks of research before purchasing anything, sometimes over a month of pining over something before I pull the trigger. Again, I'm a frugal bastard, I'd say over my course of vaping I've probably only wasted $100, mostly on juices, but also 1 tank that I just never really used. Everything else I got my money's worth
You and wingsfan have been the most trusted people on the internet. Both of you have been looking out for me and I really truly thank both of you for that. You guys have me information I didn't even think of and it's really helpful because I don't want to ruin any of my mods. Especially When I start building.
You'll be fine just remember to always install, do a quick pulse and read the screen (the Ω part), as long as you're at .2 or higher you're good.
One link we haven't given you that's HUGE to start with, Steam-engine.org
That'll get you a guideline of what different things should be, if it's far off, there's an issue. The coil building section, the rest are great too but that's the one you want to use when building coils initially, the rest will come in time.
General rules of thumb, If the resistance is higher than you expected you're having a connection issue, check the screws and tighten it down and check the resistance again.
Too low and you have a short, find it, might just be with the coil (hot spots, they'll glow quickly while the rest of the coil is still cool), if it's not that keep looking you might have some big problems you need to solve (ask if you can't figure it out!).
Your coil should glow from the inside out, if it's not again there's something wrong and usually just kind of wiggling the coil will work (just insert the screwdriver you used to wind around in and wiggle wiggle and pull it out and try again).
Anyways, glad I could be of help. I'm just paying it forward, it's not like I learned this all on my own, plenty of people around here to thank, and a friend IRL who got me started on the more advanced stuff rather than just overpaying for mediocre over advertised factory stuff!
I wasn't calling you mediocre sorry if that was miscommunicated, I was calling my old setups mediocre, (aspire atlantis+CFsubohm was the last of that batch, lasted me a good while but I could have had much better at the time).
Glow I mean simply glow
, when you fire a coil with no wick there (and eventually even with) it'll start to glow red hot, Once you see it you'll know exactly what I mean. I can't really describe it better as I started on the whiskey already and my language skills have diminished quite rapidly.I know you weren't calling me mediocre! Don't worry! I consider myself that way. Once I start building things on my own I'll consider myself more advanced. You're making me excited to build my own coils, not only would it make me feel good about myself, but I would love to blow some serious clouds and get some serious flavor
Do it!
Start with 26g like I said, you can do A LOT with it, so grab yourself at least 100ft.
With an RDA start with as single coil
Then Try dual coils
Then jump back to single and try twisted.
Then try it in dual
Then Try Parallel single and dual
Then try Zipper coils (2 twisted strands one reverse the other and wrapped in parallel, looks sweet) in single and then parallel.
Those are your "beginner/intermediate" level coils, from there you go into claptons/fused claptons. IMO Parallels and zipper coils are better than strait claptons but it's a skill worth knowing, though tbh you can jump strait to fused claptons if you have a drill.
From there you jump to advanced which personally I haven't entered yet, I'm happy enough with fused claptons and it's worth purchasing from those guys I mentioned above over learning and spending time myself (my free time is spent doing other things, including drinking which makes making coils all that much more interesting...
)You sound more advanced, I learned a lot. Of course you're not going to admit that you're more advanced, but I consider you that way, I learned a lot. Do you have any links that can help me build? I don't want to find anyone that just jumps to the conclusion and say so yeah this is how you do it. I want to find a video that really breaks it down and helps me get it.
There are a ton of videos on YouTube. I picked this one but don't be afraid to look around. I'll look around and if I see any I think are exceptional, I'll update your thread.
Cheers,
Steve