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Sadly, that will not likely even phase "it" (not dignified enough to be called a "he" as it acts more like AI, programmed to scam). IT will just steal another identity and continue being a worthless POS.I filled a case against him in Vape Court on Facebook.
I'm sure I'll never get reimbursed but at least it will put his name out there.
It will get his name on the Wall of Shame!
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I am the cynical pessimist MyMagicMist speaks of and will be cremated with my middle finger still erect! FTW!
Even established reputable companies do this sort of thing. Bait and switch, changing formulas without notifying customers then paying them off to get a 5 star review on a horrible product. I'm not sure which one is lower on the scale of scum - the company or the tool who takes the bribe!
I was recently offered a full refund and told to keep the $80 item I bought on Amazon, so long as I increase my ratings. Sent their email to Amazon cust service where I got my refund and fucktards had to keep the generous 3 star review I originally left for their "small family owned business" with 16 employees pulling in $10.5mill/year. I didn't ask for a refund, they offered, but with TOS violating conditions, so I graciously accepted, just on my terms! Not much pisses me off these days like paid reviews!
I, too, have a cynical side. Companies can also use rig, to create reviewers. This could be sped up by piping to rig in an algorithm.
A person could get scammers and reviewers all from one command line, command. It would not involve too many processes, either. You could populate a couple MySQL databases, one for scammer bots, another for reviewer bots.
The whole thing would be coded up pretty efficiently. It wouldn't require much resource use, as in memory, cpu cycles. And then, you could pipe it over to the Internet/Web and let it go through forums, news groups, commerce sites.
Such a tool, or tool set rather might even be useful to say cat fish, phish, do bait & switch. Interesting subject matter to explore, ... maybe, ...
ETA: If IRC, PRISM or some other such surveillance software did/does this kind of thing to allegedly "catch bad guys". Although with the advent of newspeak now, I'll add in the Standard Disclaimers.
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JFHC . I guess I'll just start ignoring reviews altogether, lol. If you can come up with that on a moments notice, just imagine what a team could do for a company willing to pay good $.
Got one of those oil diffuser things for x-mas.... It had 65,000 5 star reviews. 2 weeks after x-mas mom (who bought it for me) got a letter in the mail offering $15 Amazon gift card (good towards the purchase of oils from same company) in exchange for a 5 star review. Was supposed to make the review, screenshot it, and email to the company, then they would send the gift card. Very few items have that many reviews, let alone 5 stars for a cheap plastic oil diffuser. $2 item, sell for $40 then give $15 back for a review. I sent all that info to Amazon too. They say they don't tolerate that shit, yet all of the sellers/items I've reported are still going strong. SMH
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Oh, I've known of such things for quite a few years now. A few things keep me from exploiting it and becoming an overnight billionaire.
1. I'm a lazy fucker.
2. I really would need to formally learn programming, not interested. Happy enough being a hobbyist "hacker" due to number 1.
3. Not ethically, or morally, inclined to be evil like that.
4. I keep giving away the "secrets" out in the open because of number 3, I'm too honest. If I ever did anything near that stuff, I know I would be instantly caught at it, and I've seen Federal prisons "hackers" live in. No, thanks, I'll pass.
5. For some unknown reason, I rather stay poor than be that kind of thief. Granted, I'll hunt, fish, trap, grow food without license to feed myself and family. That's different, though, a matter of self-defense, actually. Read Les Misérables to have an understanding of that. Victor Hugo captures the essence of it well.
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I sold him 2 Double Barrels at a super price of 80.00 shipped for both in December.
I just got it charged back to my PayPal account because he disputed the charge with his bank!
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I see you're back on here like nothing happened and are interested in a juggernaut.
What happened to the $80 charge back you pulled here?
Shouldn't you at least be looking to pay back the $80 first before expecting people to deal with you again?
You're an "addictions counselor" or whatever but you don't even bother to practice step #5 when you're the person who wronged others?
That's just hypocritical af.
WTF!?!?!?
How is it that he has 100% rating??
Def need to stop this prick. I'm surprised he wasn't banned... But then he'd just make a new profile.
Would it be allowed (not that anyone would stop you) to send his name and address to everyone who lists things for sale, just as a heads up?
Would really hate to see him get away with this again!
It seems your vigilant enough to notice he's active... fortunately.
Maybe there could be a sticky in the marketplace with the names and addresses of known scammers. Proof of a scam, as you've provided, should be adequate to warrant this. I realize this could cause an array of issues, but adequate proof from a reputable member could be required to add a name to the list.
I came back to this thread because I just got a notification on it.
Do you remember this is the guy we both wanted to send stuff to, to support his recovery center residents who he said had very restricted smoking time and area?
We could use a little help
I don't know if this is the correct place to post this. If it isn't I am sure someone will let me know. I work at what's called Theraputic Community. It is a year long residential drug treatment program. The majority of the clients have no place else to go. It is very strict. One of the rules...
He never replied to me when I offered to send some things, but I asked him for the address of the center. Someone else offered to help him out in a different "help us" thread:
Any help would be appreciated
I work at what is called a theraputic community. It is a long term treatment center for addicts and alcoholics. The rules are very strict. The residents are only allowed to smoke at smoke breaks. I have been helping the people by getting them alternatives to smoking to supply them the nicotine...
And you can see he said "no thanks, sounds like you need it more than we do".
Looking back on it now, I notice he couldn't even spell it right. He wrote "Theraputic".
So I think that's his confidence game, to look like a do-gooder so people will trust him for transactions. It still makes ya feel like a pendejo.
When I found his FB page, there was no mention of any treatment facility of any kind. I found info of his political practices, but not that. Red flag right there. One would mention that, especially if it were legit, and if they were involved in politics.I came back to this thread because I just got a notification on it.
Do you remember this is the guy we both wanted to send stuff to, to support his recovery center residents who he said had very restricted smoking time and area?
We could use a little help
I don't know if this is the correct place to post this. If it isn't I am sure someone will let me know. I work at what's called Theraputic Community. It is a year long residential drug treatment program. The majority of the clients have no place else to go. It is very strict. One of the rules...vapingunderground.com
He never replied to me when I offered to send some things, but I asked him for the address of the center. Someone else offered to help him out in a different "help us" thread:
Any help would be appreciated
I work at what is called a theraputic community. It is a long term treatment center for addicts and alcoholics. The rules are very strict. The residents are only allowed to smoke at smoke breaks. I have been helping the people by getting them alternatives to smoking to supply them the nicotine...
And you can see he said "no thanks, sounds like you need it more than we do".
Looking back on it now, I notice he couldn't even spell it right. He wrote "Theraputic".
So I think that's his confidence game, to look like a do-gooder so people will trust him for transactions. It still makes ya feel like a pendejo.
That being the case, the chingallero most likely has never been involved in running any treatment facility. Maybe been in one, but not operating one.
So, what's he doing with the mods he is stealing in these "deals"? Likely selling them.
What did he say? 
This (rather) scamming Idiot "need not apply". Apologies, a bit of Scott Gaelic bled through.What did he say?
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I know this is an old thread, but when i saw it I was floored because I had a feeling about that dude in 2020. He's one of those people that thinks if someone is listing an item for sale at a higher price than it costs brand new that means they are a scammer, which is completely not true.
He shit all over someone's WTS thread over it because he wanted whatever they were selling but it was more than what you could get it for brand new. So instead of buying it brand new at I think Element Vape, he shit all over the thread to try to get the seller ot lower their price (but they never did IIRC). So in another thread, I really ripped him a a new arsehole about it. People who don't understand free market principles are always suspect to me. I mean, if someone is selling something with a price that is above market value for it's condition, then people will not buy it and they will either never sell it or lower their price eventually. But it's not a scam. It's a simple concept, really.
And get this: the item he wanted to buy was less than $25 brand new IIRC. lol. So since he admitted he could spemd less money buying the cheap item brand new, but didn't want to and was trying (not effectively) to get the seller to drop his price instead, that raised a red flag with me. And indeed, after seeing this thread my suspicion was probably right. This dude probably had a mind to do a chargeback on the seller all along because he knew he could not get away with it with Element Vape, whose payment processor would be able to prove the dispute is unjust and therefore reverse the chargeback.
I just knew that dude was a douchbag from day-one.
He shit all over someone's WTS thread over it because he wanted whatever they were selling but it was more than what you could get it for brand new. So instead of buying it brand new at I think Element Vape, he shit all over the thread to try to get the seller ot lower their price (but they never did IIRC). So in another thread, I really ripped him a a new arsehole about it. People who don't understand free market principles are always suspect to me. I mean, if someone is selling something with a price that is above market value for it's condition, then people will not buy it and they will either never sell it or lower their price eventually. But it's not a scam. It's a simple concept, really.
And get this: the item he wanted to buy was less than $25 brand new IIRC. lol. So since he admitted he could spemd less money buying the cheap item brand new, but didn't want to and was trying (not effectively) to get the seller to drop his price instead, that raised a red flag with me. And indeed, after seeing this thread my suspicion was probably right. This dude probably had a mind to do a chargeback on the seller all along because he knew he could not get away with it with Element Vape, whose payment processor would be able to prove the dispute is unjust and therefore reverse the chargeback.
I just knew that dude was a douchbag from day-one.
$25 plus what, another $20+ for shipping and adult signature that the mail carrier just leaves in the mailbox anyhow.
Vs prob $10 shipping from a member here.
Uh, gotcha. Thought you were referring to a recent listing.
Got it. And BTW: I was wrong to say that his shitting all over the ad over the price the seller has the freedom to list at was an indication of him possibly thinking of doing a chargeback, becuse why would he have bothered to complain about the price if that was the case? But still, the dude proved himself a douchebag and I always thought he probably was lol
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Hard to
There's just no explaining a d-bag scammer!
Hard to say what his logic was.. he said a lot of shit that didn't make sense... Maybe a ploy to make him look legit, and a guilty conscience thinking he'll get called out otherwise.
There's just no explaining a d-bag scammer!
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I personally still consider that shting on a 4sale thread.
Anything that can be detriment to a transaction would be.
It's not like no one will see anything said in the thread.
In that type situation, even if it's same as retail or even more, if someone wants to buy it and it turns into a successful transaction, then so be it.
Always buyer beware. Or maybe they have a reason no one knows about for paying the price.
I sometimes see things said in a hardware thread that I wouldn't say or do.
Another example is a WTB where someone posts a link to retail in stock somewhere. And a member that wants to sell, hasn't seen the post yet or responded to that add yet, could miss a sale. It's like possibly trampling on a member.
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The sad part is I recognize a few of the screen names in his threads from this forum.Looks like this POS has popped back up on ECF.
Vaporesso giant dual tank
I had one and it broke. Cant find anotber anywherewww.e-cigarette-forum.com
They MUST know about this guy from when they were on here.
Are people afraid to mention it because ECF?
We try not to deal with classifieds here as mod/admins but if people see a blatant scam from the same member on a different platform they have every right to call them out over it right here.
If it's a case of mistaken identity (two people, same screen name) the member would be sure to say something.
I'd certainly obtain the zip code of the scammer so I could tell if the package would be going to the same area or not.
If it is the same guy and someone over there gets burned they'll be pissed that nobody mentioned it to them... but, If someone does mention it over there they'll get in trouble for some goofy shit that the staff just added to the rules on the fly. Like "spreading rumors." lmao
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Same here, I have no problem calling him out over there and I may. We are under a tornado watch at the moment. But ecf and all, they may just delete the post. Who know maybe someone will see it before they do. I am already on their "shit list" for calling out one of the female admins for showing partiality to sellers years ago. I won't bore you with the details. She even tried to threaten me and she has NO clue about the laws and well, I do!
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I am sure they will delete it and boot me but here ya go https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/vaporesso-giant-dual-tank.987582/
It won't help much, as I have no doubt he does not intend to make it right, but maybe folks will be leery of him.
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It won't help much, as I have no doubt he does not intend to make it right, but maybe folks will be leery of him.
Love ya Gadget!!
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Looks like one of the members was going to possibly sell him something and my post may have made him think twice as he gave it a thumbs up. Well, I guess that's something at least.
I thought I might have a sale
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well damn, you should of told me LOLI thought I might have a sale
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@Tornadoalleydeb Did you see the response you got. lmao!!!
The mods over there are clown like with their approach....
"Well, He's been a member for five years.... durrrrr"
Well, Yes, that is true.
here is a screen shot of his ECF profile page:
Yup, Joined Dec 21st 2019.......
BUT!
If they were to do their homework by... well I dunno... maybe? PMing you, @Tornadoalleydeb and asking (or even just taking the time to search a profile by screen name, here on VU) they'd see that the same doofus has been a member here for 5 years.
Not only that, he literally joined ECF after only being a member here for TWO days:
Here's his VU profile. Notice the date, Dec. 19th 2019?
If this isn't the same guy then it's one hell of a fucking coincidence, isn't it?
Like I said, all the "mods" over there needed to do is ask you, @Tornadoalleydeb for the fucking link to this thread. Then they'd need to get a zip code, if they match it's 100% a wrap.
People who were screwed on here have the zip code, I'm sure they could find their guy's zip code if they wanted to.
The odds that two different people from the same zip code joined 2 different vape forums with the same screen name, within two days of each other back in 2019 are probably as great as winning the fucking lotto.
I'll tell you all what happened without even knowing what happened.
It should be common sense to anyone who's been paying attention so far:
This "Charles" clown joined here on Dec 19th, while here he saw the ECF thread and thought to himself:
"Hey, I should also sign up for this "ECF" forum for when I burn all my bridges here I can go burn even more bridges over there"
It wouldn't shock me one bit if I found out that he's been doing the same thing in Facebook groups as well as on reddit
The mods over there are clown like with their approach....
"Well, He's been a member for five years.... durrrrr"
Well, Yes, that is true.
here is a screen shot of his ECF profile page:
Yup, Joined Dec 21st 2019.......
BUT!
If they were to do their homework by... well I dunno... maybe? PMing you, @Tornadoalleydeb and asking (or even just taking the time to search a profile by screen name, here on VU) they'd see that the same doofus has been a member here for 5 years.
Not only that, he literally joined ECF after only being a member here for TWO days:
Here's his VU profile. Notice the date, Dec. 19th 2019?
If this isn't the same guy then it's one hell of a fucking coincidence, isn't it?
Like I said, all the "mods" over there needed to do is ask you, @Tornadoalleydeb for the fucking link to this thread. Then they'd need to get a zip code, if they match it's 100% a wrap.
People who were screwed on here have the zip code, I'm sure they could find their guy's zip code if they wanted to.
The odds that two different people from the same zip code joined 2 different vape forums with the same screen name, within two days of each other back in 2019 are probably as great as winning the fucking lotto.
I'll tell you all what happened without even knowing what happened.
It should be common sense to anyone who's been paying attention so far:
This "Charles" clown joined here on Dec 19th, while here he saw the ECF thread and thought to himself:
"Hey, I should also sign up for this "ECF" forum for when I burn all my bridges here I can go burn even more bridges over there"
It wouldn't shock me one bit if I found out that he's been doing the same thing in Facebook groups as well as on reddit
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Oh, we all know the admins over there are dumb-fu*^s. What happened to me is one of the females (when I was selling an item that I outright said was a clone) and note they were allowing their "favorite" and best members to also do the same as long as they posted it was in fact a clone. Well she deleted my sales post and sends me this nasty message that it is illegal to sell a clone. I respond to her saying Really??? You let your favorite cronies do it.
Then she tries to threaten me saying that if I saw that and didn't report it. I was then doing something illegal and she could file against me. Told her go right ahead, first of all you need to check the laws, it is NOT illegal to sell a cloned item here in the U.S. Now a counterfeit is a different story. Cloning and Counterfeiting are two different things. ( Like I don't know the law? girl, please.) You may want to look up laws next time before you spout nonsense and make yourself look like an idiot. She shut up after that
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Oh, we all know the admins over there are dumb-fu*^s. What happened to me is one of the females (when I was selling an item that I outright said was a clone) and note they were allowing their "favorite" and best members to also do the same as long as they posted it was in fact a clone. Well she deleted my sales post and sends me this nasty message that it is illegal to sell a clone. I respond to her saying Really??? You let your favorite cronies do it.
Then she tries to threaten me saying that if I saw that and didn't report it. I was then doing something illegal and she could file against me. Told her go right ahead, first of all you need to check the laws, it is NOT illegal to sell a cloned item here in the U.S. Now a counterfeit is a different story. Cloning and Counterfeiting are two different things. ( Like I don't know the law? girl, please.) You may want to look up laws next time before you spout nonsense and make yourself look like an idiot. She shut up after that
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Not sure why that double posted, sorry. We have Tornatic weather here again in OK. So I have numerous things going on.
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Nah, that was nothing.
I just hope enough of the members there saw it, so they know to stay away from him. If I truly wanted to screw with him, I could. Tools of the trade let's call it. I haven't gone after and messed with anyone in years though.
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Not sure if anyone found him here also but here ya go. https://x.com/CWMc1017
I don't have an account on there, but I was quick, lol, and got a screen shot of it
Every time I see his profile pic, I keep thinking I'm going to see a Spiderman movie with that bastard in it as the villain.
Yeah, that's gotta be the same mccarthy. I had a little run-in with him and we exchanged a few PMs. He mentioned VU and his cheap-ass questions made me think of this mccarthy here. When I asked him if he was the same person, I never heard back from him.
Dude asks really dumb questions to sellers. He basically wants everything for nothing, I remember a couple years ago when he got on a seller's ass here for listing a non-new item for $5 more than he could get it at one the online shops brand new. All he had to do was just buy it from the online shop, lol. He kept harping on the seller to get him to lower his price IIRC.
On ECF when someone lists something for sale, I've seen him reply with "what's your lowest price" lol. Like wtf kind of question is that? If it were me, I would have responded with a price that was a penny less than listed.
Dude asks really dumb questions to sellers. He basically wants everything for nothing, I remember a couple years ago when he got on a seller's ass here for listing a non-new item for $5 more than he could get it at one the online shops brand new. All he had to do was just buy it from the online shop, lol. He kept harping on the seller to get him to lower his price IIRC.
On ECF when someone lists something for sale, I've seen him reply with "what's your lowest price" lol. Like wtf kind of question is that? If it were me, I would have responded with a price that was a penny less than listed.
Definitely used to be nutty shit like that going on. Not anymore. Anyone can list clones and the clique shit isn't an issue anymore (except for on political threads) because they need subscribers really bad. Redarded1 doesn't usually pay attention to the classies it' snot his job anymore, the regular mod for the classies must've been too busy. Vape forums are all but dead now. Everyone's on FB groups or reddit.
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