Boreas leak-HELP

[inspects]

I don't know how others fill their Boreas...lately I have been just unscrewing the bottom and filling with a needle syringe...not even the slightest leakage and it faster, no need to do anything, just remove bottom cap and fill.

But....top filling... I wasn't as lucky most of the time....had leaks which were my fault because I didn't read the instructions careful enough.

Have not had as much as a drop from the airflow after it's filled.

 

[Mythical_OD]

Well good for you
Maybe share ur methods, to help peeps out..

I dunno, I thought I just do the same thing everyone else is doin. For filling the tank I close off the JFC so only a tiny sliver of a hole is open, or sometimes totally. Then I pop the top off, fill and put the top back on. I screw it down til the oring touches, then flip and screw it down all the way very quickly. While its still upside down I open the JFC full open (where I vape at), let it sit a second, and then flip it back over right side up. No leaks

For wicking, I wick coils normally. I lay the tails down on the floor of the deck and then use a screwdriver or something to gently push cotton into the juice flow holes just ever so slightly, really just enough so that looking from the bottom it looks like the cotton is bulging out into the JF holes a fair bit. Works great

 

[ej1024]

I don't know how others fill their Boreas...lately I have been just unscrewing the bottom and filling with a needle syringe...not even the slightest leakage and it faster, no need to do anything, just remove bottom cap and fill.

But....top filling... I wasn't as lucky most of the time....had leaks which were my fault because I didn't read the instructions careful enough.

Have not had as much as a drop from the airflow after it's filled.

That's so 2 years ago bro...
BOREAS is meant to be top filled...
I Top fill 100%, it ain't KAYFUN
Come on now..

 

[ej1024]

Leaking
Bad ORINGS
No ORINGS
User error
Bad tank!
anything else?


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[Droogbc]

Any unsatisfied Boreas owners can mail their tanks to me.

 

[ej1024]

LOLZ...


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[inspects]

That's so 2 years ago bro...
BOREAS is meant to be top filled...
I Top fill 100%, it ain't KAYFUN
Come on now..

If I can do something in half the time...I take that route....

 

[cicatrize]

So, my second fill on this build is leaking again. Bad. This was probably the worst leak I've ever seen on this tank after a fill.

Huh? Noooooooo
All ORINGS intact right?
You not burping her correctly?!
OK
EMPTY TANK
JFC/AFC SHUT
FILL HER UP
FLIP HER
OPEN ONE HOLE
FLIP HER BACK
WAIT.............
Open another hole
Suck her LOL
If all ORINGS are there and intact it shouldn't PEE!!
What coils are u using, how big? Which deck?
What's the vg/pg ratio?
Just trying to help and learn

All the o-rings look good. How you explain it is pretty much exactly how I fill it. My current build is 6 wraps of 26/32ga clapton around 2.5mm ID with a pretty tight wick. I just re-built today and it wicked fine with no leaks on the first fill. Second fill was leak city.

Also, running 30pg/70vg liquid.

 

[ej1024]

So, my second fill on this build is leaking again. Bad. This was probably the worst leak I've ever seen on this tank after a fill.



All the o-rings look good. How you explain it is pretty much exactly how I fill it. My current build is 6 wraps of 26/32ga clapton around 2.5mm ID with a pretty tight wick. I just re-built today and it wicked fine with no leaks on the first fill. Second fill was leak city.

Also, running 30pg/70vg liquid.

Can we see ur deck please?

 

[cicatrize]

Can we see ur deck please?

 

[Mythical_OD]

Try pushing the cotton tight up against the deck and push it up in the little juice flow holes. It looks like its just sitting gently on there.

 

[roxynoodle]

I just sit the wick on gently. 2.5mm coils are small for that deck though. I would use 3-3.5mm. Also, which deck are you using?

 

[fq06]

On top of all that stuff, just for giggles make sure that oring is still sitting in the base cap. That can escape pretty easily if you rinse it out in the sink making you go from awesomeness to flood city when changing flavors.

 

[cicatrize]

I just sit the wick on gently. 2.5mm coils are small for that deck though. I would use 3-3.5mm. Also, which deck are you using?

I'm using the 2mm hole (small) deck. Speaking of which, I'm not quite sure what that other deck is for, lol. I'm using the small deck at 80w and I've never had a hit that wasn't super wet, so I can't imagine the builds that need the 2.5mm deck, haha.

Could 2.5mm ID coils cause the leak? I never had it leak when I was running 26ga on 2.5mm.

 

[cicatrize]

Odd question, as I can't imagine it's necessary, but do you need to run the wick dry before a refill? I usually refill when there's a tiny bit left in the bottom of the tank.

 

[ej1024]

This is crazy


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[roxynoodle]

I'm using the 2mm hole (small) deck. Speaking of which, I'm not quite sure what that other deck is for, lol. I'm using the small deck at 80w and I've never had a hit that wasn't super wet, so I can't imagine the builds that need the 2.5mm deck, haha.

Could 2.5mm ID coils cause the leak? I never had it leak when I was running 26ga on 2.5mm.

Not necessarily, but bigger coils will give you thicker tails.

Odd question, as I can't imagine it's necessary, but do you need to run the wick dry before a refill? I usually refill when there's a tiny bit left in the bottom of the tank.

Nope! Fill anytime you want, but it helps to let the juice that's in the chamber flow back into the glass area first. I invert it while I'm shaking my juice bottle, let the chamber empty, then close the jfc.

 

[ej1024]

Problem solve?


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[inspects]

Could it be the coil is not sitting in the deck correctly? I did that the first time...you can screw the bottom piece on with the deck not positioned correctly, I had a hand-full of juice.

 

[cicatrize]

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Not yet.

Could it be the coil is not sitting in the deck correctly? I did that the first time...you can screw the bottom piece on with the deck not positioned correctly, I had a hand-full of juice.

Definitely not this. I've had my Boreas for almost a month now. The first two weeks were perfect. When I first got it, I would actually lay it on its side at night and not even get leaks.

So, last night I had to fill again, but I waited until all the juice was gone from the tank (wicks were still soaked). I closed the AFC/JFC, filled her up, tightened the top cap, then inverted the tank, and it started leaking out of the drip tip, as it usually does on this step. However, I opened up my AFC and put it upright and had no issues. The leaking out of the drip tip is alarming, and I'm afraid to put this thing in my pocket now.

 

[ej1024]

Not yet.


Definitely not this. I've had my Boreas for almost a month now. The first two weeks were perfect. When I first got it, I would actually lay it on its side at night and not even get leaks.

So, last night I had to fill again, but I waited until all the juice was gone from the tank (wicks were still soaked). I closed the AFC/JFC, filled her up, tightened the top cap, then inverted the tank, and it started leaking out of the drip tip, as it usually does on this step. However, I opened up my AFC and put it upright and had no issues. The leaking out of the drip tip is alarming, and I'm afraid to put this thing in my pocket now.

Oh damn...

 

[ej1024]

Not yet.


Definitely not this. I've had my Boreas for almost a month now. The first two weeks were perfect. When I first got it, I would actually lay it on its side at night and not even get leaks.

So, last night I had to fill again, but I waited until all the juice was gone from the tank (wicks were still soaked). I closed the AFC/JFC, filled her up, tightened the top cap, then inverted the tank, and it started leaking out of the drip tip, as it usually does on this step. However, I opened up my AFC and put it upright and had no issues. The leaking out of the drip tip is alarming, and I'm afraid to put this thing in my pocket now.

If the juice leaks out from the drip tip, that means the deck is flooded, when you close the JFC/AFC, are you sure it's close? Dumb question!!
But damn wth is going on

 

[roxynoodle]

Not yet.


Definitely not this. I've had my Boreas for almost a month now. The first two weeks were perfect. When I first got it, I would actually lay it on its side at night and not even get leaks.

So, last night I had to fill again, but I waited until all the juice was gone from the tank (wicks were still soaked). I closed the AFC/JFC, filled her up, tightened the top cap, then inverted the tank, and it started leaking out of the drip tip, as it usually does on this step. However, I opened up my AFC and put it upright and had no issues. The leaking out of the drip tip is alarming, and I'm afraid to put this thing in my pocket now.

Are you opening your afc/jfc while it's inverted to release air pressure? It's a big tank with a lot of pressure.

 

[cicatrize]

If the juice leaks out from the drip tip, that means the deck is flooded, when you close the JFC/AFC, are you sure it's close? Dumb question!!
But damn wth is going on

I'm sure it's closed.

Are you opening your afc/jfc while it's inverted to release air pressure? It's a big tank with a lot of pressure.

Yep.

I'm sorry, this is getting out of hand, and I'm not sure how I can fix it through a forum. I just laid it on its side with one air hole open for 15 minutes to test on a napkin and sure enough, it leaked quite a bit. Not looking good for pocketing. I'll have to test it later, but even with the afc/jfc closed, I was getting leaks in my pocket on Saturday. It's like there's an air leak somewhere or something, but I've checked all the o-rings and they look fine.

 

[ej1024]

I'm sure it's closed.


Yep.

I'm sorry, this is getting out of hand, and I'm not sure how I can fix it through a forum. I just laid it on its side with one air hole open for 15 minutes to test on a napkin and sure enough, it leaked quite a bit. Not looking good for pocketing. I'll have to test it later, but even with the afc/jfc closed, I was getting leaks in my pocket on Saturday. It's like there's a air leak somewhere or something, but I've checked all the o-rings and they look fine.

This is an ORING/BURPING PROBLEM
you have the oring on the deck?
You have the oring on the base cap right?

 

[cicatrize]

This is an ORING/BURPING PROBLEM
you have the oring on the deck?
You have the oring on the base cap right?

Yes and yes. I've looked at disassembled pics of the Boreas and have also compared my o-rings to roxy's post about all of the o-rings. I counted them all and checked their integrity. They're all there, and they all look good.

 

[ej1024]

Yes and yes. I've looked at disassembled pics of the Boreas and have also compared my o-rings to roxy's post about all of the o-rings. I counted them all and checked their integrity. They're all there, and they all look good.

HUH..

 

[roxynoodle]

Yes and yes. I've looked at disassembled pics of the Boreas and have also compared my o-rings to roxy's post about all of the o-rings. I counted them all and checked their integrity. They're all there, and they all look good.

Do you want me to look at it for you? I can check it over and test it.

 

[cicatrize]

Do you want me to look at it for you? I can check it over and test it.

I'd rather not part with it that long, so I'll take it apart today and take some pictures with my DSLR to get some high res goodness to look at. Maybe someone will spot something. I'm at work right now though.

 

[roxynoodle]

I'd rather not part with it that long, so I'll take it apart today and take some pictures with my DSLR to get some high res goodness to look at. Maybe someone will spot something. I'm at work right now though.

Sometimes o rings look good, but aren't. The fact that it worked well for you at first, but doesn't now makes me suspect an o ring. I have all the sizes in my stash except that 11 x 1.2. I'm having trouble sourcing those so I'm going to see if Leon will send me a big batch for people.

 

[roxynoodle]

So my advice at this point is to do an "oringectomy" and replace them all. I have a feeling that will solve the problem.

 

[roxynoodle]

Also, lube them all a bit with some juice, VG or Chapstick when they are new, and when you wash it to help keep them from getting chewed up.

 

[cicatrize]

Thanks, I'll give it a shot tonight!

 

[Debbiej]

So my advice at this point is to do an "oringectomy" and replace them all. I have a feeling that will solve the problem.

I did that last night. Totally dissected, replaced all o rings. I haven't had it leak once. Yep.......I even fell asleep,with it and not one drop leaked. Matter of fact, the afc ring is dry for the first time since I had it.
Can't say replacing o rings fixed the problem though.
I really took it totally apart. It could've been where the glass wasn't lined up well with the o rings. The part between the tank and the AFC wasn't lined either. I took the gold afc and put the original black one on. Black one has more heft.
It HAS to be airtight.

 

[ej1024]

I did that last night. Totally dissected, replaced all o rings. I haven't had it leak once. Yep.......I even fell asleep,with it and not one drop leaked. Matter of fact, the afc ring is dry for the first time since I had it.
Can't say replacing o rings fixed the problem though.
I really took it totally apart. It could've been where the glass wasn't lined up well with the o rings. The part between the tank and the AFC wasn't lined either. I took the gold afc and put the original black one on. Black one has more heft.
It HAS to be airtight.

good job Debbie

 

[roxynoodle]

I did that last night. Totally dissected, replaced all o rings. I haven't had it leak once. Yep.......I even fell asleep,with it and not one drop leaked. Matter of fact, the afc ring is dry for the first time since I had it.
Can't say replacing o rings fixed the problem though.
I really took it totally apart. It could've been where the glass wasn't lined up well with the o rings. The part between the tank and the AFC wasn't lined either. I took the gold afc and put the original black one on. Black one has more heft.
It HAS to be airtight.

The first run had some really poor o rings, which has since been corrected. Glad that worked for you

The gold afc ring isn't machined right?

 

[cicatrize]

I did that last night. Totally dissected, replaced all o rings. I haven't had it leak once. Yep.......I even fell asleep,with it and not one drop leaked. Matter of fact, the afc ring is dry for the first time since I had it.
Can't say replacing o rings fixed the problem though.
I really took it totally apart. It could've been where the glass wasn't lined up well with the o rings. The part between the tank and the AFC wasn't lined either. I took the gold afc and put the original black one on. Black one has more heft.
It HAS to be airtight.

Really happy to hear this, Debbie! I hope it works for me too. I've taken mine apart before every new build and cleaned it up, so it must be the o-rings on mine.

 

[Debbiej]

The first run had some really poor o rings, which has since been corrected. Glad that worked for you

The gold afc ring isn't machined right?

Can't say whether it's machined right or wrong. Need more time. Just got Boreas last Thursday. this is the first time it has not leaked. Will say I had used the gold the whole time until last night. Gold ring is the same size, same holes. I matched them. It does not have the same weight. It may be thinner walled. Regardless the black is a tighter fit, although that maybe because I changed the o rings.
So cool that we have the designer for this on here. Thank you and all of y'all for the help. This is a great site

 

[Debbiej]

good job Debbie

I really enjoyed your videos EJ. You should make more.

 

[cicatrize]

OK, so I'm either an idiot, or perhaps accidents just happen. I'm pretty sure I figured out the issue. As I mentioned before, the o-ring in the center of the bottom cap came off when I was rinsing it one time, and I think I may have replaced it with the wrong size. It was probably the right ID, but I think it was too thick or something. I thought it was odd that the bottom cap didn't sit up nice and tight against the other piece (bottom of chimney?), but I figured the o-ring was enough to make the seal. I was wrong.

While replacing all the o-rings, I found a thinner one for the bottom cap and now it sits tightly together with the other pieces, and the leaking issues are all but gone. No leaking while filling, and I left it open (3 holes) on its side for about 10 minutes with no leaks. I'm still terrified to leave the AFC open while in my pocket, but maybe after a few days with no issues, I can go back to my old confidence.

Thanks everyone.

 

[roxynoodle]

OK, so I'm either an idiot, or perhaps accidents just happen. I'm pretty sure I figured out the issue. As I mentioned before, the o-ring in the center of the bottom cap came off when I was rinsing it one time, and I think I may have replaced it with the wrong size. It was probably the right ID, but I think it was too thick or something. I thought it was odd that the bottom cap didn't sit up nice and tight against the other piece (bottom of chimney?), but I figured the o-ring was enough to make the seal. I was wrong.

While replacing all the o-rings, I found a thinner one for the bottom cap and now it sits tightly together with the other pieces, and the leaking issues are all but gone. No leaking while filling, and I left it open (3 holes) on its side for about 10 minutes with no leaks. I'm still terrified to leave the AFC open while in my pocket, but maybe after a few days with no issues, I can go back to my old confidence.

Thanks everyone.

 

[Tommyp]

Hello, all. I just bought this Boreas. At first time I'm super happy with this RTA. It's super!! I don't have a problem with build deck and not leaking. But now i had problems with leaks. Lol.. When I open the top cap there bubbles come out from the bottom ( afc totally off ) and from driptip the juice came out too. Before that i'm follow instructions from the manual book to empty chamber. And when I turned and afc opened, the juice out of the afc. Please give me some advise. Thanks.

 

[roxynoodle]

Hello, all. I just bought this Boreas. At first time I'm super happy with this RTA. It's super!! I don't have a problem with build deck and not leaking. But now i had problems with leaks. Lol.. When I open the top cap there bubbles come out from the bottom ( afc totally off ) and from driptip the juice came out too. Before that i'm follow instructions from the manual book to empty chamber. And when I turned and afc opened, the juice out of the afc. Please give me some advise. Thanks.

Sounds like an o ring. Make sure the one in the bottom of the base didn't get lost. Also check the deck one, and the 2 under the afc ring.

 

[Tommyp]

Sounds like an o ring. Make sure the one in the bottom of the base didn't get lost. Also check the deck one, and the 2 under the afc ring.

Wow.. Fast response. Thx roxy you're rock!!
Can u post a image where exactly is this. I get ur oring list but i don't know where is it. "Below afc ring, on chamber (2) 17 x 1"

 

[roxynoodle]

Wow.. Fast response. Thx roxy you're rock!!
Can u post a image where exactly is this. I get ur oring list but i don't know where is it. "Below afc ring, on chamber (2) 17 x 1"

I need to draw one up.

If you pull your afc ring off (pull up), you will see 2 o rings, one below the airholes, and one above. Those are 17mm ID by 1mm cross section.

The one on the deck itself is 12mm ID by 1mm cross section.

And the one in the bottom of the base is 11.2mm ID by 1mm cross section.

I think one of those 4 is causing your leak. Spares are in the box.

 

[Tommyp]

I need to draw one up.

If you pull your afc ring off (pull up), you will see 2 o rings, one below the airholes, and one above. Those are 17mm ID by 1mm cross section.

The one on the deck itself is 12mm ID by 1mm cross section.
And the one in the bottom of the base is 11.2mm ID by 1mm cross section.

I think one of those 4 is causing your leak. Spares are in the box.

Ok. Tomorrow i'm gonna try it. Now 02.35 am. Time to sleep. Good night to u. Thx a lot

 

[Debbiej]

mine started leakin again too. Wished I knew the secret. Now it's coming out of the drip tip as well when I go to "burp" it. It has to be the o rings. It has me puzzled. I love the vape but honestly can't take it anywhere because never know when it will decided to dump. Lol. I'm using small deck, max VG, have checked and replaced all o rings, and fill it exactly as directions state. Running at 90w on a .25 build.3 mm build.
I'm glad some of y'all don't have a drop dripping. I wish I didn't. Could b user error. Don't know. I could've put wrong size o rings. im getting frustrated.

 

[cicatrize]

mine started leakin again too. Wished I knew the secret. Now it's coming out of the drip tip as well when I go to "burp" it. It has to be the o rings. It has me puzzled. I love the vape but honestly can't take it anywhere because never know when it will decided to dump. Lol. I'm using small deck, max VG, have checked and replaced all o rings, and fill it exactly as directions state. Running at 90w on a .25 build.3 mm build.
I'm glad some of y'all don't have a drop dripping. I wish I didn't. Could b user error. Don't know. I could've put wrong size o rings. im getting frustrated.

It has to be an o-ring somewhere. I had the same issue where it would come out of the drip tip. Make sure all the seams visible from the outside are tight and flush with each other. If something is off, or if something is difficult (or even too easy) to screw together, you probably have the wrong size somewhere.

 

[roxynoodle]

mine started leakin again too. Wished I knew the secret. Now it's coming out of the drip tip as well when I go to "burp" it. It has to be the o rings. It has me puzzled. I love the vape but honestly can't take it anywhere because never know when it will decided to dump. Lol. I'm using small deck, max VG, have checked and replaced all o rings, and fill it exactly as directions state. Running at 90w on a .25 build.3 mm build.
I'm glad some of y'all don't have a drop dripping. I wish I didn't. Could b user error. Don't know. I could've put wrong size o rings. im getting frustrated.

I PMed you.

 

[saytar]

Not using the Boreas yet.................but got hold of the new SMOK TF-RDTA and tried the pancaking overlapped wick in bottom and massive leaks. Then rewicked it, poked a bit of the tail thru the juice holes and pancaked (any remaining tails touching or slight over lap) and bingo no leaks, just shut off the JC pop top fill and open the JC.................but one thing that did happen, although worked all day and evening without issue, went to bed left rig standing up everything open, air, JC etc and woke up to a slight amount of juice on table...reason....a storm with LOW pressure went thru during the night lowering the ambient air pressure and created a slightly lower outside air pressure than that most likely in tank.............almost a guaranteed leak. Now today with outside air pressure stable (low but stable) no issues with leaking and have done nothing to Tank..........
It might be that "some", not saying all issues with the Boreas leaks could be due to varying air pressure combined with maybe a bit of (or lack of) attention to detail, O-rings.............and maybe the larger size tank (8 ml) which would require a bit more "vacuum" inside the tank to maintain equilibrium with the air pressures versus the smaller 5 ml or so tanks...........more liquid creates more downward pressure on juice flow holes.....I'm willing to bet this is going to make "Just the right wicking necessary" or maybe just a bit more wick (in juice holes) to compensate for this and varying atmospheric pressures, temperature swings, etc.......

I know I increased the total amount of cotton in my other RTA's a bit (made it a bit difficult to reinsert the decks) so that there was more juice being held in the chamber (still must be very careful about fluffing the wick tails in juice slots for feeding the coils, can't restrict or pak too tight)..............on one RTA (SMOK TF-G2) it went from ok flavor to fantastic flavor, same coils, it did result in a slight, very very slight additional restriction (maybe 10% or less) of the air flow. But the difference in flavor was massive.......and it sure didn't hurt the other RTA (Griffin 25) either.....none have ANY leaks and I've run them as high as I can stand 60-80 watts and chain vaped 8-10 times one after another.......no dry hits (but I was coughing and dizzy as hell!), the flavor did began to fall off towards the end, but an RTA can only supply so much juice............the RDTA's on the other hand can supply way more potentially....... (P.S. Running the Smok G2 and Griffin 25 with SS 3mm Clapton coils in TC mode 50 watts at around 425 deg)

Just my thoughts on the matter........But I'm no "expert" ( drip under pressure=expert) and might be way off base....

Still thinking about getting the Boreas, the extra juice capacity and flavor boost of the RDTA WOULD be nice......definitely want to look at the Merlin. ..