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mjag

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I had heard about this from a friend and plan on attending to find out more. Even if you don't live in California you should be worried, as they say what happens in California usually follows in other states.

For anyone in S. California there is going to be some get togethers to discuss Prop 56 which is coming up for vote in November, not good news if it passes:

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Here is a cut and paste from this reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...p_56_tax_ballot_measure_industry_meetings_in/

On November 8th, when Californians vote for the next President, you will also vote on Proposition 56, which increases the tax on cigarettes AND vapor products. This could result in a new tax of 62-69% (or more) on vapor products.

This ballot proposition is not what it appears; government and multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical interests lose money as smoking rates decline. This November, they want to make up the difference by taxing vapor products just like cigarettes, at the cost of Californians’ lives.

The supporters of this initiative are very quick to tell you that the money collected from this tax will ONLY be used to fund anti-smoking programs, healthcare, cancer treatment, and research. The only reason they can get away with saying this is because they are betting on the fact that most voters won’t bother to read the actual initiative text. If you do read it, you’ll find that there are plenty of loopholes allowing that money to be used for completely unrelated things. For example, paying $36 million per year to Attorney General Kamala Harris’s own office to use however she likes. But the worst loophole of all is the one that says if this additional tax results in a decrease in tobacco sales (that’s the goal) and that decrease results in a decrease in sales tax and other money the state gets, like MSA payments, (which it will) then the funds can be used to supplement those losses. Which means the majority of this money will go into the general fund. This shouldn’t come as a surprise though. If you look at California’s past uses of smoking-related tax money, (also supposed to be used for smoking prevention) only 4.3% of it actually goes towards smoking prevention activities and education. The rest goes to the general fund. The California government is addicted to tobacco money, and if and when that money goes away, they’ll sacrifice whatever – or whoever – they have to in order to replace it.

ATTEND ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN THE ABOVE LOCATIONS TO LEARN HOW YOU WILL BE IMPACTED AND HOW YOU MAY HAVE A CHANCE IN PREVENTING PROP 56 FROM GAINING A MAJORITY OF YES VOTES.

If you are a resident in California who is allowed to vote but you are not registered to vote, REGISTER TO VOTE NOW! If you are a business in the vapor industry, ask ALL your customers the same thing! There are no excuses and to be perfectly honest the chances of a "vapor vote" making enough of a difference will DEPEND ENTIRELY ON YOU.
 

Synphul

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That sucks but I'm not so sure it will spread everywhere else. California has plenty of laws and bylaws and things that are special to that state. Such as raising the smoking age to 21. Emissions controls on gas engines with the whole c.a.r.b. compliance, whether for autos or lawn mowers and weed whackers. Full outdoor smoking bans in cities. Emissions rules about burning banning use of bbq's outside, woodstove and fireplace usage. None of those things even come close to affecting my state.

There are only a couple major cities with vehicle emissions requirements, none where I actually live. Smoking age is still 18. Some smaller towns still allow smoking in businesses. Burn barrels are completely acceptable, many use their fireplace or woodstoves every winter. Can damn near burn tires without anyone asking questions. Not a whole lot of what happens in California follows everywhere else from what I've seen.
 

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Florida is also seeking a 21 year age to purchase all products containing any form of nicotine and also a 60% + tax on all nicotine related products. Someone wants to line their pockets........ All e-liquid products were removed from all our 4,500 stores........

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Synphul

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Guess I'm fortunate enough to live in the sticks. They won't hardly get off their rumps to investigate m*th labs around here, can't see them worrying about smoking/vaping age. Maybe fortunate was an odd word to use. lol
 

Robert B

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Not a whole lot of what happens in California follows everywhere else from what I've seen.

When it come to taxing the crap out of it's citizens, California is most definitely the trial balloon for other states. CA was the first to institute the the steep tobacco taxes, and the crusade to ban smoking in privately owned restaurants. Most all States followed their lead to one degree or another over the following years. You can thank Rob "Meathead" Reiner for that.

This will be no different. Trust me, other states are licking their chops to see if this passes.
 

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The People's Republic of Kalifornia leads the nation in limiting people's personal freedoms so this is no surprise. I don't live there but I'll like others said, they usually set the benchmark for this type of BS.

Thanks for posting
 

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Florida is also seeking a 21 year age to purchase all products containing any form of nicotine and also a 60% + tax on all nicotine related products. Someone wants to line their pockets........ All e-liquid products were removed from all our 4,500 stores........

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Got a link to that?
I've not seen nor heard of any legislative news on that. There was talk of a $1/pack tax hike, and a age 21 change, but vapor products were never mentioned.
 

Robert B

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The People's Republic of Kalifornia leads the nation in limiting people's personal freedoms so this is no surprise. I don't live there but I'll like others said, they usually set the benchmark for this type of BS.

Thanks for posting
Yeah, I lived in CA 18 years, part of which was during this Meathead Reiner era. The ballot propositions were so twisted if you thought you were voting "NO" on a proposition, you were actually voting yes. That State is so fucked up it's not funny. Liberals run amuck un-challanged
 

Robert B

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Got a link to that?
I've not seen nor heard of any legislative news on that. There was talk of a $1/pack tax hike, and a age 21 change, but vapor products were never mentioned.

Since the FDA has classified Vape as a tobacco product, maybe they don't have to mention it? They just say "tobacco products".
 

mjag

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The People's Republic of Kalifornia leads the nation in limiting people's personal freedoms so this is no surprise. I don't live there but I'll like others said, they usually set the benchmark for this type of BS.

Thanks for posting

Lived here all my life but have wanted to leave for a long time now, family and the weather are my 2 anchors. Any state that elects Jerry Brown is just plain idiotic and this state did it twice........
 

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That sucks but I'm not so sure it will spread everywhere else. California has plenty of laws and bylaws and things that are special to that state. Such as raising the smoking age to 21. Emissions controls on gas engines with the whole c.a.r.b. compliance, whether for autos or lawn mowers and weed whackers. Full outdoor smoking bans in cities. Emissions rules about burning banning use of bbq's outside, woodstove and fireplace usage. None of those things even come close to affecting my state.

There are only a couple major cities with vehicle emissions requirements, none where I actually live. Smoking age is still 18. Some smaller towns still allow smoking in businesses. Burn barrels are completely acceptable, many use their fireplace or woodstoves every winter. Can damn near burn tires without anyone asking questions. Not a whole lot of what happens in California follows everywhere else from what I've seen.

Because most people know that California is the "land of fruits and nuts" -- just FILLED with lunatics!!!

But maybe it's a good thing that CA has all those outdoors burn-bans... imagine the wildfire scenario if they DIDN'T? They already lead the country, and maybe the world, in wildfire. Maybe it's just mother nature trying to exterminate all those lunatics.

Andria
 

Robert B

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Lived here all my life but have wanted to leave for a long time now, family and the weather are my 2 anchors. Any state that elects Jerry Brown is just plain idiotic and this state did it twice........

I lived in the Dana Point/San Clemente area. Definitely miss the weather and my friends, but politics, and traffic drove me out. Couldn't take it anymore.

A good friend of mine was a Tee Shirt printer and designer. He was producing 20,000 Tees a month for Nike and Ocean Pacific, among other clients. Had 30 employees running shifts around the clock. The California Air Quality Management District (AQMD), marched into his office one day like the Gestapo, and told him he was only allowed to produce 5,000 tee shirts a month because of the fumes produced in his silk screen dryers. He laid off all the employees and restarted his business in Arizona.


I remember that leftist bitch Linda Ronstandt was first lady, married to Jerry Moonbeam. Remember when that Jackwagon ran for President?

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Since the FDA has classified Vape as a tobacco product, maybe they don't have to mention it? They just say "tobacco products".
Any "tobacco" actions that were ever listed for 2016 FL attention, were done pre-deeming announcement, so vaping items would have been spelled out.
 

MannyScoot

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Any "tobacco" actions that were ever listed for 2016 FL attention, were done pre-deeming announcement, so vaping items would have been spelled out.
All Vaping stuff ejuices, pens, in all our stores is gone....... And all Vape shops in Orlando are giving away their juices...... 30ml bottles for $1.00 buy a $5.00 juice bottle get 3 free...... They are simply dumping the juice........

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All Vaping stuff ejuices, pens, in all our stores is gone....... And all Vape shops in Orlando are giving away their juices...... 30ml bottles for $1.00 buy a $5.00 juice bottle get 3 free...... They are simply dumping the juice........

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Yeesh. Thats odd, because all our stores are business as usual down here, just doing what the deeming required.
 

smacksy

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Same here out in Cali..It's business as usual at my local B&M this afternoon..

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fq06

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I think this will probably pass, there are a lot of health conscious people out here that don't smoke and to a non smoker read at face value it sounds like a good thing to vote yes on. It may even get a yes from uninformed vapers that are jumping on the smokers are evil bandwagon if they say "tobacco products" not specifically saying vape.

Just about everything on the ballot is twisted and turns out to do none of what it sounds like and in some cases the complete opposite of what you think you're voting for.

I don't really buy products in CA anyway so hopefully they can't levy that tax when buying out of state vape mail.
 

smacksy

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I think this will probably pass, there are a lot of health conscious people out here that don't smoke and to a non smoker read at face value it sounds like a good thing to vote yes on. It may even get a yes from uninformed vapers that are jumping on the smokers are evil bandwagon if they say "tobacco products" not specifically saying vape.

Just about everything on the ballot is twisted and turns out to do none of what it sounds like and in some cases the complete opposite of what you think you're voting for.

I don't really buy products in CA anyway so hopefully they can't levy that tax when buying out of state vape mail.
Good point..I do buy in house juice from my local B&M here (Lakeside CA) but order mods and accessories online..no worries, least for now, lol

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I think this will probably pass, there are a lot of health conscious people out here that don't smoke and to a non smoker read at face value it sounds like a good thing to vote yes on. It may even get a yes from uninformed vapers that are jumping on the smokers are evil bandwagon if they say "tobacco products" not specifically saying vape.

Just about everything on the ballot is twisted and turns out to do none of what it sounds like and in some cases the complete opposite of what you think you're voting for.

I don't really buy products in CA anyway so hopefully they can't levy that tax when buying out of state vape mail.

Watch out for an amendment to the federal Jenkins Act, which is the legal mechanism by witch states collect tobacco/cigarette taxes from consumers who buy those products online or mail order from another state.

Where I live, if you buy any kind of taxable tobacco online or through mail order, you DO receive a tax bill in the mail from the Dept. of Revenue.

I fully expect an amendment to the Jenkins Act to include the "newly deemed tobacco products" i.e.: everything vape related sometime in the near future.

States like Pennsylvania will likely demand it from their lawmakers in Congress.

A 2010 amendment to the Jenkins Act requires all tobacco dealers in all states to file a monthly report to the US Attorney's office.

Here is a small portion of the screw-tightening called the PACT Act enacted in 2010 that made it even easier for state's to not only collect tobacco tax from out-of-state sales but gives the info directly to the Feds.

"The federal Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act, 15,U.S.C. § 375, et seq. became effective June 30, 2010. The PACT Act amended provisions of the Jenkins Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 375 - 378) regarding the shipment and packaging of tobacco products, compliance with state tax and licensing requirements, and the filing of certain reports with the state tobacco tax administrator.

The Jenkins Act, as amended, requires every person including cigarette manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors, and delivery sellers, who sell, transfer, or ship for profit cigarettes, roll-your-own (ryo) tobacco, and smokeless tobacco in interstate commerce to:

  1. Register with the United State's Attorney General and the state tobacco tax administrator of each state into which shipments are made, and
  2. File monthly reports with the state tobacco tax administrator, no later than the 10th of each month."
 

fq06

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Forgot about that one... fuckers.
All I really buy is cheap mech sauce @ zero nic and add VT nic to 4ml so I may be doing more DIY.
Most of my gear comes from china... tax that fuckers
 

Synphul

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I still think it's false to say California sets the pace for the rest of the nation, there's no clear evidence of that. If talking in terms of tobacco taxes (since they're forcing vaping to fall under that), California wasn't even close to the highest state tax as of June 2015. It was New York with a state tax of $4.35 a pack. California was only number 32 at $0.87 a pack. If California is setting precedent they're doing it from the lower half of the pack. California's state tax on smokes also didn't affect my state with less than 1/5 the state tax.

Local taxes can vary but we're not talking cities or counties, we're talking states. California is the only state with such stringent emission controls and have been there since the 70's. I know, I had an '80 buick with the California carb crap on it. When I left the state I yanked it off the car since it was no longer required. A few states have begun adopting carb standards as of 2012 but a 'handful' as in 13 states. Nowhere close to the remaining 49. Carb was introduced in 1967, so it only took 44-45 yrs for a handful of other states to jump on board? Not exactly trendsetting.

There's also a reason many products carry the prop 65 warning b.s. that applies to only California. More special regulatory warning for 1 state of 50 that has nothing to do with the rest of the nation.

I'm failing to see where what happens in California happens in other states. It may or it may not, everything is up in the air with vaping. I'm just not seeing any sort of 'trend setting' taking root on a variety of California only issues. There are also places in California where you can't eat ice cream on the sidewalks, have to pay for your grocery bags and where plastic is no longer an option but it's certainly not affecting the country at large. While California is getting taxed to death and forced to eat burgers from their George Foreman smokeless indoor grill, the rest of us are out grilling with charcoal, drinking our beer and business as usual.
 

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OK @Synphul, I get your point. I just mentioned that to warn people to be on the lookout in there own states. The statement that "what happens in CA usually follows in other states" is just what is said in the media around election time. If that is true or not is going away from the general message of this thread, it is just to inform others of a law that can affect our vaping community. If it has already happened in PA and happens here then I will bet you a $1 some other states will follow suit, I am not saying the entire nation. If it fails here then that might stall other states trying the same thing, they are less likely to follow if a communist state like CA fails.

Even though this is a CA Prop it's failure will be a win for the entire vaping community and send a message to other states. If it succeeds then other states will try for sure, what politician doesn't like more tax revenue?
 

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and forced to eat burgers from their George Foreman smokeless indoor grill, the rest of us are out grilling with charcoal, drinking our beer and business as usual.

It's good you do live wherever it is that you do, because when that humongous strawman you just built goes up in flames... the smoke cloud is gonna be tremendous. :p

And that's not allowed in Cali. ;)
 

Robert B

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California wasn't even close to the highest state tax as of June 2015.

I didn't say CA was the highest. I simply said CA started this whole thing back in the late 80's early 90's. Other states like NY took it to extreme. The restaurant smoking ban took place in CA, and the rest of the states followed, including yours. But as @mjag says, it doesn't matter. If this passes in CA, you can bet your bottom tax dollar other states will follow. By how much, and how many years later, is another matter.

FWIW, CA's tobacco tax went up 15% this year. Average cost is now $7.81 in 2016, and rank 16th.
 

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That sucks but I'm not so sure it will spread everywhere else. California has plenty of laws and bylaws and things that are special to that state. Such as raising the smoking age to 21. Emissions controls on gas engines with the whole c.a.r.b. compliance, whether for autos or lawn mowers and weed whackers. Full outdoor smoking bans in cities. Emissions rules about burning banning use of bbq's outside, woodstove and fireplace usage. None of those things even come close to affecting my state.

There are only a couple major cities with vehicle emissions requirements, none where I actually live. Smoking age is still 18. Some smaller towns still allow smoking in businesses. Burn barrels are completely acceptable, many use their fireplace or woodstoves every winter. Can damn near burn tires without anyone asking questions. Not a whole lot of what happens in California follows everywhere else from what I've seen.
NH has emission testing, smoking is going up to 21 in various places, and states need to replace tax money lost from people quitting smoking
 

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I didn't say CA was the highest. I simply said CA started this whole thing back in the late 80's early 90's. Other states like NY took it to extreme. The restaurant smoking ban took place in CA, and the rest of the states followed, including yours. But as @mjag says, it doesn't matter. If this passes in CA, you can bet your bottom tax dollar other states will follow. By how much, and how many years later, is another matter.

FWIW, CA's tobacco tax went up 15% this year. Average cost is now $7.81 in 2016, and rank 16th.
Most cigs in New York now are like $14.00/pack....... ?

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I had heard about this from a friend and plan on attending to find out more. Even if you don't live in California you should be worried, as they say what happens in California usually follows in other states.

For anyone in S. California there is going to be some get togethers to discuss Prop 56 which is coming up for vote in November, not good news if it passes:

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Here is a cut and paste from this reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...p_56_tax_ballot_measure_industry_meetings_in/

On November 8th, when Californians vote for the next President, you will also vote on Proposition 56, which increases the tax on cigarettes AND vapor products. This could result in a new tax of 62-69% (or more) on vapor products.

This ballot proposition is not what it appears; government and multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical interests lose money as smoking rates decline. This November, they want to make up the difference by taxing vapor products just like cigarettes, at the cost of Californians’ lives.

The supporters of this initiative are very quick to tell you that the money collected from this tax will ONLY be used to fund anti-smoking programs, healthcare, cancer treatment, and research. The only reason they can get away with saying this is because they are betting on the fact that most voters won’t bother to read the actual initiative text. If you do read it, you’ll find that there are plenty of loopholes allowing that money to be used for completely unrelated things. For example, paying $36 million per year to Attorney General Kamala Harris’s own office to use however she likes. But the worst loophole of all is the one that says if this additional tax results in a decrease in tobacco sales (that’s the goal) and that decrease results in a decrease in sales tax and other money the state gets, like MSA payments, (which it will) then the funds can be used to supplement those losses. Which means the majority of this money will go into the general fund. This shouldn’t come as a surprise though. If you look at California’s past uses of smoking-related tax money, (also supposed to be used for smoking prevention) only 4.3% of it actually goes towards smoking prevention activities and education. The rest goes to the general fund. The California government is addicted to tobacco money, and if and when that money goes away, they’ll sacrifice whatever – or whoever – they have to in order to replace it.

ATTEND ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN THE ABOVE LOCATIONS TO LEARN HOW YOU WILL BE IMPACTED AND HOW YOU MAY HAVE A CHANCE IN PREVENTING PROP 56 FROM GAINING A MAJORITY OF YES VOTES.

If you are a resident in California who is allowed to vote but you are not registered to vote, REGISTER TO VOTE NOW! If you are a business in the vapor industry, ask ALL your customers the same thing! There are no excuses and to be perfectly honest the chances of a "vapor vote" making enough of a difference will DEPEND ENTIRELY ON YOU.
guess I'll be stocking up on nic base.....fuck the DNC......this crap keeps up people wil start growing their own tobacco....the same people that are doing this are going after our sin tax...people better wake the fuck up and realize once we give up smoking and drinking and herbal fun...they are going to start putting 60% taxes on our bread and water..we have been brainwasheds that we NEED to be taxed to have a civilized society...it's a fucking lie...we don't need the goverment...they cause far far more pain and suffering than they have ever eleviated.....
 
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People don't have to believe me, it's not really my argument other than hoping there aren't increased regulations on vaping. The statement was made that other states follow suit. The exact phrase was "as they say what happens in California usually follows in other states" and speaking of strawman arguments, there's no evidence of this. I only pointed out a variety of stringent rules/laws observed in California that don't translate to the vast majority of the country. I don't know who "they" are but clearly it's not true. I can't help that.

I agree, it's good I no longer live in California. Lucky for me I got out before it went all regulation nazi on everyone.

I suggest others brush up on their knowledge of the laws, the 'restaurant smoking ban' as mentioned does NOT affect my state thank you. While many restaurants observe it, there are still plenty smaller ones that don't. Nor are they forced to. As a matter of fact just a couple years ago a city near me rejected a smoking ban when it went to vote. There's no statewide smoking ban here though. Only 3.9% of cities in my state have a smoking ban in non government owned places. Statewide smoking bans have failed every year since 2008 and last year they didn't even bother trying.
 

mjag

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Cool, you win @Synphul, you are right. Now can we please move on from the one sentence comment I put in the first post and concentrate on the rest of it?

You also have to let us all know what state you live in so we can all move there, I hope you have a lot of guest bedrooms :giggle:
 

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Guess I'm fortunate enough to live in the sticks. They won't hardly get off their rumps to investigate m*th labs around here, can't see them worrying about smoking/vaping age. Maybe fortunate was an odd word to use. lol
Jeez do you live in alabama too? :teehee::teehee:
 

Robert B

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Most cigs in New York now are like $14.00/pack....... ?

I used to live in the Richmond Virginia area. People would come down from NY and fill up their car trunks with cartons of cigs and drive back. There was one guy I met who would pay costco members to go in and buy several cartons at a time. It was like drug dealing out in the parking lot. $4.00 per pack in VA and $14.00 in NY.

Black market follows taxation. This CA legislation will be no different.
 

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No not alabama lol. Not much different though, mo. California's laws are ridiculous anymore, they were bad enough when I lived there. Went back to see family and went to the beach, the amount of 'prohibited' signs it would have made more sense to say what WAS allowed. No smoking, no food, no drinks, no pets, no skateboards, no rollerskates, no fishing, no fires, no cooking of any kind. It wasn't that long ago my parents used to hang out at the same beach, make a day of it, throw down a blanket and an umbrella, take a small grill with them and grill up some hotdogs and things.

I went out on a pier in s.f., no one else was out there. Stood out by the end with water all around me watching some of the boats and had a smoke. Some guy makes his way all the way up the pier to tell me that smoking wasn't allowed. I had to laugh, the pier itself was wet, the bay all around lapping at the pillars underneath me. Couldn't help to point out to the guy I didn't think the fire hazard was all that great considering water's been known to extinguish flames. Not sure he got the joke when I mentioned if exxon would stop spilling oil all over the damn place the water wouldn't burn.

Neither of my uncles in separate towns were allowed to burn the entire time I was there so their woodstoves and fireplaces stayed empty. The weather is beautiful most of the time but the laws and regulations are tragic. Unless voters there really step up not sure they're going to have too many options.

It's par for the course being regulated and taxed to death in that state. Expenses go well beyond vaping taxes, many residents living in places like s.f. are having to move. Regulations have been bent and twisted and landmark brick and mortar stores are being forced out. It's becoming an elite neighborhood because someone decided to make it one. They simply can't afford to live there and are being given crap allotments to move when their apartments are being bought out from under them or rent's being raised.

None of those things relate directly to vaping other than a vaping tax is just one more oppressive money grab. Legislation in that state is on a fast track to bulldoze the citizens on all fronts. I will agree, it is more bad news. It's not the first and likely not the last. It doesn't make vaping regs any less important, certainly not to vapers but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the grander scheme of things. Whether 'for the greater good' is justified or not, the regulations are nuts.

They basically up the price until they dictate to residents whether they can smoke or not, vape or not. They dictate where you can do things, how you can do things. Kids used to ride skateboards, good luck with that. It became frowned upon to skateboard on the sidewalks, against the law to skateboard in the street, kids tried to take it to empty parking lots until every place banned that too. If you're lucky there's a skatepark with appropriated hours you can be there. Skateboarding wasn't something you went someplace to do, it was how you got from one place to another.

If you choose to ride a bike you have to be armored to the hilt. Surprised they don't have safety harnesses for bikes yet. You can only bbq when they tell you that you can. Some cities won't even allow you to eat ice cream on the sidewalk (thanks to eastwood). They tell you how much water you can use. They fine you if you wash your car in your yard, even if you haven't gone over your monthly water limits. They dictate to you how to dispose of your freakin garbage, separate this, separate that, rinse this, do that. They're regulation nazi's, period. Free country my ass.

To be fair, there are other states which are no better. Pa and their 'sin taxes'. Punished for enjoying something like soda, what next a ban on chocolate? That would be some hilarious irony there given hershey. Arizona wasn't a whole lot better, bought property in the middle of the sticks. Then was told how and what could be done with it. Told you can't have an rv there, can't sleep on the property during the middle of construction, have to have a permit to do everything under the sun. Dictated to on just what you can and can't do with the land you bought fair and square. Imagine buying a car and being told yes, but now that you own it - you may only go grocery shopping for up to 2 bags of groceries at one time, not to be used for carpooling, not to be used for transportation to and from your place of work, not for out of state trips - well then what the hell did someone buy it for? But make sure and require fast food joints to make their dietary info available. The important things in life. For those who confused a milkshake for a salad.

If these vape bans manage to get blocked by voters I imagine they'll put them up again and likely attach them to another bill that people will vote on. They won't be satisfied until everyone is a miserable drone under the thumb of California's rule.
 

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Lol, it's not that bad, I BBQ regularly. Wash my car weekly because I won't let anyone else touch it (that includes wrenching on it). No dogs on beaches is from fucktards letting their dogs take a dump and not picking it up... besides, on a crowded beach (nothing wrong with that... have you seen the ladies in g-strings around here?), who wants to sit down and relax to find that you just planted your ass in a puddle of dog piss.

I don't know... there's not much I would want to do that I can't do here. And there is a lot to do, constantly something going on or places to go see and hang out at.
Taxation here is expensive but if you can't afford it, there are other states with a lower cost of living. You just have to deal with freezing winters, OMFG it's hot summers or hurricanes or floods or seclusion... some people are into one or two of those... I'm not into any of them :)
 
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Oh, and funny story about mr I wanna be a cop and enforce the rules. Those people bug the shit out of me. Thanx for the heads up, now go fuck yourself.
 

mjag

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I am with ya @Synphul , it is a lot worse in the big cities though, that's why I don't live there anymore, the traffic also drove me crazy. If you don't mind me asking what state did you move to?
 

Synphul

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I started off in California in the bay area. Before "google" was a thing, the last house I lived in was about 10min from their HQ. Can't really speak for all areas of California, the two areas with burn regulations for the clean air regulations were in the bay area and los gatos mountains. Was referring to the beach in Santa Cruz, it might be different for other beaches. In the bay area unless the rules have changed, people were fined for washing their cars in their front yard under the water conservation regulations.

I understand the smog is an issue, especially when it gets trapped in the valley. Don't notice it too much on the ground but there's a definitely layer when landing into sjc or sfo.

Here was one of the bbq bans.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9452181?nclick_check=1

And this one from the l.a. times
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-06/news/mn-1569_1_lighter-fluid

Many times they're banned during 'spare the air' days which there were quite a few of last time I was there. That was without the wildfires adding to the horrible conditions.

I lived in Arizona for several years around the verde valley and Sedona. Had to be cautious about burning there due to chance of wild fires but there wasn't a ban on it. Phoenix may have air quality rules in place but not the rest of the state. Currently I'm in east Missouri near the river. The weather isn't as nice as California for sure, usually a month or two of decent weather in spring and fall (when it's not raining with the wrath of Moses). Winters can get harsh, a couple years ago had a cold spell that reached in excess of -20 with the windchill and stayed that way for a couple weeks. Summers can hit triple digits with 60%+ humidity. What they say about the 'dry heat' is true, I had 118 degree days in Az but minus the humidity. Still haven't adjusted to it after 18yrs.

Recycling and things are good but the regulations in Ca are a bit too much. I imagine worse for my parents, when they were kids the silicon valley was still full of orchards. As adults when I was a kid they still allowed smoking in grocery stores and things. They talk about being able to spend a day with friends for just a few dollars to ride the bus to another town, catch a double feature movie with popcorn and still have money left over for a stop at the candy store lol. Not these days, that's for sure.

When I stopped for the day in S.F. I parked the car in a 'budget' garage for around $15-20 or something and wasn't sure it would still be there when I got back (tenderloin district) lmao. Was one of those conversations that went something like 'Oh, you work here? Just hand you the keys?" and a confused guy going "Sure I'll take your keys". Guess he worked there because the car was still there when I got back. For all I knew he was just walking by on his way to grab a sandwich.

The vaping regulations are sucking but I'm guessing it's a kneejerk reaction even at the state level in Ca. They see something similar to a cigarette, taking its place that isn't being taxed yet. Money slipping through their fingers and they can't have that so they're on full attack mode to lock it down and dole it out however they see fit. Tax it as heavily as the market will bear. Not that they're concerned for the health and well being of people, that it's a much healthier and less offensive alternative to smoking. Others may smell the scent of a vape which is no better/worse than perfume or cologne, but it's not as if they'll be subject to 2nd hand vape, at least not outdoors. Not like they would be to cigarettes. So long as they can put a health spin on it saying they're unsure of how healthy it is in order to push the control/taxation narrative I'm sure they will. Can't imagine they're too health conscious, it's not as though they've made a big push toward hydrogen cell buses or anything like that.
 

mjag

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Prop 56 passed, SHIT.

This will probably be the last nail in the coffin of a lot of vape shops in the area, sucks.
 

Synphul

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That does suck, sorry to hear it. Kind of figured they'd pass it though, anything to demonize vaping which they've lumped up with smoking. If some had their way they'd be taxing cow farts so, yea. Technically it's a free country, instead of passing laws they just pass restrictive taxes which effectively do the same thing so they can retain control while legally saying people have freedoms. Charge high enough penalties for things and they can control all they want without actually taking away rights.
 

aspr

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Trump winning is the best thing to happen since all this fda bullshit. He is pro buisness. The fda regulations are killing small businesses and that's not gonna fly

Screw You.
I'm From Texas.
 

SirRichardRear

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Prop 56 passed, SHIT.

This will probably be the last nail in the coffin of a lot of vape shops in the area, sucks.
of course it passed. people hate smoking and it was "disguised" as "only a small tax on cigarettes" it barely mentioned ecigs. it was practically hidden. and they lied and said it'll fund quitting smoking (which is counter productive since ecigs help you quit) and 90% of the money is going to big phrama to treat disease caused by smoking. it's a joke. I'll just import my shit
 

NGAHaze

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they lied and said it'll fund quitting smoking (which is counter productive since ecigs help you quit) and 90% of the money is going to big phrama to treat disease caused by smoking. it's a joke.

yep, they said the same thing about the MSA and yet less than 3% ( in many cases even less ) of the funds collected are going towards the stated objectives.
 

quittingvegas

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Every vapor in every state should be scared shitless. America is only going the continue to penalize/tax vapers unless they are educated. The documentary A Billion Lives is now in theaters and it needs OUR support. The film maker touches on several different points including the history of tobacco. The corruption between gov't, pharma and tobacco companies. It has many physicians and officials who dispute horrible claims against vaping and points out the benifits of harm reduction. The film is about an hour and a half. It is showing in cities across the nation. Below is a link. If there is not a showing in your area its very easy to sign up and sponser an event.

Oh and just in case there is any ?.. I am in no way affiliated with the film. I am just a Angry Vaper who wants to continue vaping.




https://www.tugg.com/titles/a-billion-lives
 

smacksy

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CA passed a tobacco tax that won't affect my local B&M very much...Just got back from a juice run and Jason (owner of the shop)
said prices will remain the same and he will absorb the additional cost..he truly values his customers, like me. Lol

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