Cavendish N.E.T.s....need some help from the tobacco pro's

[wllmc]

I tried a vendor juice one time that I dont really remember much other than in the description it something about Cavendish.... anyways I remember really liking it. after reading what cavendish is I just kinda ended up with more questions for myself than answer haha so rather than swarm through old post I thought Id try to get some current thoughts. Ive read burley and virgina can get you a good start on a cavendish flavor. would you guys agree with that ? Im thinking kinda sweet burnt carmel ish kinda thing ....... the million dollar question is what are the best flavorings or Tobaccos for this? Id be willing to try some N.E.T.s or making my own and kinda thinking about the oak barrel thing if you guys remember that thread. anyways I have a year to the month to make the best juice I can make for one night. I got asked by my best friend of over 30 yrs to be a groomsman. a year is a long time but not really when you know nothing about it and starting from scratch so I need some help pushing down the hill where should I start ?

 

[Markw4mms]

Yes, Virginia and Burley are the two most used varieties of tobacco used to make Cavendish. This description of Cavendish, and it's normal flavorings might give you a better idea what to try using.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_tobacco

 

[JuicyLucy]

I'm gonna be following this thread for sure - nice info from Wiki Mark

 

[Markw4mms]

I'm gonna be following this thread for sure - nice info from Wiki Mark

Thanks, Lucy. A lot of people think Cavendish is a variety of tobacco, it's not, it's a type of process that it gets it's name from. I am a pipe smoker/collector for over 35 years, and one of my old favorite blends is Lane 1Q which is a Cavendish/Virginia blend. Here is a link with the flavor profile. http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/630/lane-limited-1-q

 

[Huckleberried]

@Zamazam has mentioned Cavendish a few times. If memory serves, maybe @Cramptholomew, too!

 

[pulsevape]

Nothing comes close to an actual NET juice ...every synthetic tobacco flavoring was God awful by comparison...until I tried Hangsen's tobaccos....again I'd go with an actual NET juice, but if not because they are coil killers I'd start with Hangsen's tobaccos as a base and go from there.

 

[wllmc]

Thanks, Lucy. A lot of people think Cavendish is a variety of tobacco, it's not, it's a type of process that it gets it's name from. I am a pipe smoker/collector for over 35 years, and one of my old favorite blends is Lane 1Q which is a Cavendish/Virginia blend. Here is a link with the flavor profile. http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/630/lane-limited-1-q

thanks so much for the link. this is what exactly I was looking for. a former pipe smoker that knows the good stuff looks like it has some really good reviews and a few hints of flavors I plan on adding. Ill be trying this one for sure and open to more suggestions of other ones to try. probably going to spend the next couple months trying my hand at NET,

 

[wllmc]

Nothing comes close to an actual NET juice ...every synthetic tobacco flavoring was God awful by comparison...until I tried Hangsen's tobaccos....again I'd go with an actual NET juice, but if not because they are coil killers I'd start with Hangsen's tobaccos as a base and go from there.

thanks pulse I think Ill probably come to the same conclusion , Ill give the hanseng a try to. this is going to be a one time thing so coil gunking wont be an issue , the gunkier the better ha ! just has to be a shelf above top shelf

 

[pulsevape]

thanks pulse I think Ill probably come to the same conclusion , Ill give the hanseng a try to. this is going to be a one time thing so coil gunking wont be an issue , the gunkier the better ha ! just has to be a shelf above top shelf

in that case..... if gunking is not an issue I recomend you get an honest to God N.E.T. juice, and add various flavorings to it there are several N.E.T. vendors that sell just the extracts without any nic in it so you can mix it to your tastes add whatever flavorings you want and then add the nic all at the same time usually it's in a PG base..the two companies that come to mind is Clay Packards www.NaturalExtractedTobacco...I know he sells extracts if he is still in bussiness and there is a vendor here on VU from Seattle I think it's called something like ..Real extracts....he seems to be a real good guy and might sell you just 30ml of extract for mixing...but I know alot of NET vapers who change their wicks out and dry burn their coils twice a day...that's how gunking it is....but nothing really beats a NET I'm a bit of a toodlepuffer .7 to 1 ohm on gennys so that probablly saves me from gunking as quickly as cloud chasers. but for your own edification play around with Hangsen's flavorings they are pretty impressive.

 

[anavidfan]

+ for NaturallyExtractedTobaccos.net , excellent

 

[gopher_byrd]

@wllmc If you choose to try your hand with making your own NET don't use crap tobacco, go to a quality tobacco shop, but you knew that already.

If you want to try out NETs before making your own I do recommend NaturallyExtractedTobaccos.net. I happen to be vaping on a Black Cavendish from them right now. The flavor of a good pipe without the smoke. My wife has not complained of the vapor trail so that is a plus as well. So far it has been kind to my coil, my cotton wick is dark as night though. The guys at NET.net have their filtering process down. They recommend using their extracts at 25%, I mixed mine at 20% and I don't feel I need the extra 5%. They are expensive, $9 for 5ml.

For non NET tobaccos Hangsen is my favorite with INW a close second.

 

[RonJS]

....kinda thinking about the oak barrel thing if you guys remember that thread.

I remember an oak barrel thread over at that "other place", but not here. My lame searching abilities have failed me here once again.

For some oak flavor I would use oak chips or cubes. I've used both making beer & mead and for a juice mix I'd go with chips. (Oak barrels are big bucks and would be tougher to use.) You would not need a lot of chips (1-3 oz.) unless you plan on doing many experiments. Maybe you know somebody who makes wine or beer at home? Just about any home beer or wine making store will have them. (or online)

If it were me and my friend had a certain special potent potable he enjoyed; I would also incorporate that into my oak chip/cube preparation. While the additional flavor notes would be minimal, I think it might provide a bit nicer gift...presentation wise.

If you decide to incorporate an oak route, I can provide further step by step suggestions.

Ron
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"As for Colt 45, I am very proud of my endorsement of the product, and it still 'Works every time.'."- Billy Dee Williams

 

[wllmc]

Thanks, Lucy. A lot of people think Cavendish is a variety of tobacco, it's not, it's a type of process that it gets it's name from. I am a pipe smoker/collector for over 35 years, and one of my old favorite blends is Lane 1Q which is a Cavendish/Virginia blend. Here is a link with the flavor profile. http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/630/lane-limited-1-q

again I cant say how helpful this link was. Ive been on here all night reading different profiles. wish i was a converted pipe smoker instead of cigarette smoker hahaha

in that case..... if gunking is not an issue I recomend you get an honest to God N.E.T. juice, and add various flavorings to it there are several N.E.T. vendors that sell just the extracts without any nic in it so you can mix it to your tastes add whatever flavorings you want and then add the nic all at the same time usually it's in a PG base..the two companies that come to mind is Clay Packards www.NaturalExtractedTobacco...I know he sells extracts if he is still in bussiness and there is a vendor here on VU from Seattle I think it's called something like ..Real extracts....he seems to be a real good guy and might sell you just 30ml of extract for mixing...but I know alot of NET vapers who change their wicks out and dry burn their coils twice a day...that's how gunking it is....but nothing really beats a NET I'm a bit of a toodlepuffer .7 to 1 ohm on gennys so that probablly saves me from gunking as quickly as cloud chasers. but for your own edification play around with Hangsen's flavorings they are pretty impressive.

been checking this place out to looks like the jury has spoke on them. Im going to try and narrow myself down to a few to try. they all sound so good.

@wllmc If you choose to try your hand with making your own NET don't use crap tobacco, go to a quality tobacco shop, but you knew that already.

If you want to try out NETs before making your own I do recommend NaturallyExtractedTobaccos.net. I happen to be vaping on a Black Cavendish from them right now. The flavor of a good pipe without the smoke. My wife has not complained of the vapor trail so that is a plus as well. So far it has been kind to my coil, my cotton wick is dark as night though. The guys at NET.net have their filtering process down. They recommend using their extracts at 25%, I mixed mine at 20% and I don't feel I need the extra 5%. They are expensive, $9 for 5ml.

For non NET tobaccos Hangsen is my favorite with INW a close second.

thanks. I cant wait to try their stuff. Ive been looking around trying to find some good info but I know exactly what you mean when you say buy quality ingredients. I knew just who to ask... all you guys since moving inbetween 2 cactus in the middle of nowhere its hard to do some things like anything other civilized people do lmao the quite sure is nice though. but anyways anything that would be a decent smoke shop would be a full days worth of driving round trip so I need to know what Im looking for first haha. Ive got a little better understanding now of what I want to try to do and excited to try something different

I remember an oak barrel thread over at that "other place", but not here. My lame searching abilities have failed me here once again.

For some oak flavor I would use oak chips or cubes. I've used both making beer & mead and for a juice mix I'd go with chips. (Oak barrels are big bucks and would be tougher to use.) You would not need a lot of chips (1-3 oz.) unless you plan on doing many experiments. Maybe you know somebody who makes wine or beer at home? Just about any home beer or wine making store will have them. (or online)

If it were me and my friend had a certain special potent potable he enjoyed; I would also incorporate that into my oak chip/cube preparation. While the additional flavor notes would be minimal, I think it might provide a bit nicer gift...presentation wise.

If you decide to incorporate an oak route, I can provide further step by step suggestions.

Ron
---
"As for Colt 45, I am very proud of my endorsement of the product, and it still 'Works every time.'."- Billy Dee Williams

ya I think you are right I went looking around and thats where I seen the thread before I think Ill give the wood chips a try, that way something I was wondering about especially since Im not even sure if its a flavor I want or not or if it will taste the way I want so the chips would be better for experimenting. Id love to hear your thoughts on it sometime. I wonder how long you could leave it in there and what the outcome would be like

 

[pulsevape]

I think my favorite NET from wwwnaturalextracted tobacco was a juice they made that was based on a galouise cigarette that gailouise made before the WWI....it was a really strong cigarette tobacco.

 

[pierces32]

Inawara makes a Cavendish that is one of my favorites that I use in my adv tobacco mix. Might be a good inexpensive starting point to test your sought after flavor profile.

 

[RonJS]

I wonder how long you could leave it in there and what the outcome would be like

Over time, the woodiness will fade.

If you are buying chips, I suggest getting some a tad lighter than which you desire.

I'm not keen on putting chips into the final mix. For one reason, when staining them out, the final mix is subjected to additional air contact. Instead; think a PG flavor extraction. (I'm glad you have time for this )

Put the chips in a strainer and wash/rinse them. (There could be some dirt)

Fire up your oven 375-400 degrees F and put a large sheet of aluminum foil on a middle rack. While the chips being wet is desired, you don't want them swimming when you lay them on the AL foil in the oven. after around 10-12 mins. take a peek and give them a stir. (the chips ringing the pile will take on more toastyness and perhaps burn, if you don't) Continue taking a peek every 5-10 mins. and stir until the amount of toastyness you desire is achieved.

Then wrap them neatly in the foil until cooled. The wrapped chips in the foil will stay sanitized in case you find it necessary to take a nice nap. Put them in a jar and just cover with PG. (or less) Cap the jar and give it a shake every day or 2 (or when you remember to) I'd give at least 2-3 weeks before I dripped a sample taste for flavor. Strain through a coffee filter and enjoy in your mix.

If you desire to incorporate a potent potable, dry but not fully toast the damp/wet chips in the oven to a bit less than your final desire. (Use less heat) After the chips have Lightly toasted are dry and cooled, add them to a jar with a bit of the booze. No need to completely cover the chips with the alcohol, but make sure you shake it from time to time. (The capped jar too! ) A 3 week (or more) soak is recommended. Strain the chips and let them dry off bit. (Perhaps overnight?) Putting them back on the foil in the oven can cause a fire if not careful! Bake at 180-190 degrees F and stir from time to time until the alcohol has evaporated. Crank it up as mentioned before and stir from time to time until they get the toasty level you want.

Wrap them in the foil and continue on with the already mentioned PG extract instructions.

I wish FA could do the job for me. One of their oak flavors is too raw oaky for me and the other is too burnt.

If you were making this mix for me for my wedding, I would certainly expect you to find that old oak tree I use to climb as a kid and get a branch or 2 from it to make the chips....

Ron
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“When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” – Dr. Wayne W. Dyer

 

[pulsevape]

Over time, the woodiness will fade.

If you are buying chips, I suggest getting some a tad lighter than which you desire.

I'm not keen on putting chips into the final mix. For one reason, when staining them out, the final mix is subjected to additional air contact. Instead; think a PG flavor extraction. (I'm glad you have time for this )

Put the chips in a strainer and wash/rinse them. (There could be some dirt)

Fire up your oven 375-400 degrees F and put a large sheet of aluminum foil on a middle rack. While the chips being wet is desired, you don't want them swimming when you lay them on the AL foil in the oven. after around 10-12 mins. take a peek and give them a stir. (the chips ringing the pile will take on more toastyness and perhaps burn, if you don't) Continue taking a peek every 5-10 mins. and stir until the amount of toastyness you desire is achieved.

Then wrap them neatly in the foil until cooled. The wrapped chips in the foil will stay sanitized in case you find it necessary to take a nice nap. Put them in a jar and just cover with PG. (or less) Cap the jar and give it a shake every day or 2 (or when you remember to) I'd give at least 2-3 weeks before I dripped a sample taste for flavor. Strain through a coffee filter and enjoy in your mix.

If you desire to incorporate a potent potable, dry but not fully toast the damp/wet chips in the oven to a bit less than your final desire. (Use less heat) After the chips have Lightly toasted are dry and cooled, add them to a jar with a bit of the booze. No need to completely cover the chips with the alcohol, but make sure you shake it from time to time. (The capped jar too! ) A 3 week (or more) soak is recommended. Strain the chips and let them dry off bit. (Perhaps overnight?) Putting them back on the foil in the oven can cause a fire if not careful! Bake at 180-190 degrees F and stir from time to time until the alcohol has evaporated. Crank it up as mentioned before and stir from time to time until they get the toasty level you want.

Wrap them in the foil and continue on with the already mentioned PG extract instructions.

I wish FA could do the job for me. One of their oak flavors is too raw oaky for me and the other is too burnt.

If you were making this mix for me for my wedding, I would certainly expect you to find that old oak tree I use to climb as a kid and get a branch or 2 from it to make the chips....

Ron
---
“When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” – Dr. Wayne W. Dyer

You know I always wondered why you couldn't just take a 3 foot length of Oak 4x4 and drill a series of 1 1/2 inch diameter holes about 3 inches deep put your juice in the holes and put a cork in them and let them steep that way. for a month then ..you could mix everything but the nic in the juice then decant it and put in the nic and let it steep in glass for another week.it would be like a cheap oak barrel ageing.

 

[Boogenshizzle]

I'm huge on stixxmixx at www.stixxmixx.com all n.e.t. and n.e.t. coffee.

 

[anavidfan]

I'm huge on stixxmixx at www.stixxmixx.com all n.e.t. and n.e.t. coffee.

Ive heard their coffee's are really good, but Im confused, it says to use at 8% is their liquid ready to use or just extracts?

 

[Boogenshizzle]

Ive heard their coffee's are really good, but Im confused, it says to use at 8% is their liquid ready to use or just extracts?

Extracts.

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[anavidfan]

Thank you , went back and saw all of them had suggestions for percentages, great prices, Im shocked.
Gonna have to order the Kona and choose which Tobacco to try.

I have tried many NETs and I keep going back to Naturally Extracteds. Ive never had anything so bad that I cant be vaped. I do get some that is on the sweeter side , but still good. My Favorites there are the Gypsy Blonde and her sister Brun, and the Sha et tal.... cant ever remember the name, its a Syrian Latika, just heaven and the Yellow Mane + in the cigar section.

 

[Boogenshizzle]

I have them all. My personal favorite is Honduran Ligero at 8-12% stand alone. My ELR has a recipe called New Italyork which really uses and accents his coffees.

 

[Craig Mad Bricky]

Thanks, Lucy. A lot of people think Cavendish is a variety of tobacco, it's not, it's a type of process that it gets it's name from. I am a pipe smoker/collector for over 35 years, and one of my old favorite blends is Lane 1Q which is a Cavendish/Virginia blend. Here is a link with the flavor profile. http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/630/lane-limited-1-q

Very true, I learned the trade from Russ Oulette of Pipes and Cigars and have until recently been a master blender.
Cavendish-ing for those who don't know the simple explanation is the process of steam pressure extraction to create an unflavored tobacco base that is ready and hungry to be flavored. Into that palate flavor base is mixed along with other flavor profiles to create "Aromatic" tobacco. There must be a million blends out there but the old diehards like 1Q or Captain Black as well as single flavors like Vanilla Cavendish are the most popular.
A pressed extraction of distlled water blend like Trout Stream will yield a good bit of the original flavor as you would get from smoking. Trout Stream is one of the most popular caramel blends that Russ created.
I must say that any NET of flavored tobaccos will produce a highly sugared substance that small coils may get clogged into a carbon mess. Best to use higher resistance coils that can be burned off. Btw distilled water is the only one to use in extractions as it's charged essence will help to strip flavors out and prevent any mold or bacteria from forming. You can buy most any blend by the ounce from Pipesandcigars.com