Hey guys! I am beginning to dabble in creating some homemade e-juice and I have a question. I want to create a prepared nic base for RDA's and Tanks. I figure I want to use a 80/20 VG/PG with a 6mg nic content for my RDA's and a 70/30 VG/PG with a 12mg nic contect for my tank. I want to have these prepared bases ready so I can just add flavors to them. Can anyone help me with the calculations?
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Creating a prepared nic base
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Use an online calculator, like ejuice me up - or some other one. I always make a nic base and use from there. I vape 6mg, and most of my flavorings total about 8% for mixes. so I mix up my nic base around 7mg nic. Also, because I need to vape 80% PG, I make my base at 70% PG/30% VG. Then when my flavorings are added I end up with around 80% PG (because most of my flavorings are in PG). Make sense?
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I do what Amanda does, but a different mg nic base. Using a calculator to make a large batch base has saved me SO much time.
Ah ok! Very cool! I downloaded ejuice me up and the layout confused me a bit, so i just input the numbers i want for the base and use those measurements?
Yes! Double and triple check before you make a big batch...
I've been thinking about doing this as well. As long as 82/18 or 75/25 (due to different amounts of flavor in each recipe) is close enough then it'll be pretty easy with any juice calculator. I've been using http://basecalc.solkku.com/ lately but it's still in it's infancy. Does what I need though and allows for cost calculations as well. A neat addition IMO.
I think of it in 100ml totals for easy math. First you need to know if your nic is PG or VG based (and what strength it is). For this example I'll use 100mg nic (VG base) for easy math.
To get 100ml total of 80vg/20pg 12mg base you would use ---- 12ml of nic (counts as VG), 68ml of VG and 20ml of PG.
If your 100mg nic is PG based instead of VG based, you would use 12ml of nic (counts as PG), 80ml of VG and 8 ml of PG.
Starting to make sense? If your nic is 36mg you'll use almost 3X as much as the examples I just listed. Shooting from the hip as I don't use this but if you had 36mg PG based nic, you can't make 12mg juice at 80VG. You'd be at 76.6 VG max because you'd need 33.3% nic (counting as PG) to get 12mg nic mixed base. Any PG based flavors would lower your VG ratio further.
Look at what total percentage of flavor you use and subtract that from the PG side of the base. If you usually use 10% flavor, make 90vg/10pg base so that you end up with 80/20 after flavoring.
A lot of rambling based on not knowing what nic you have, but post the calculations you come up with and we can make sure it looks right.
I think of it in 100ml totals for easy math. First you need to know if your nic is PG or VG based (and what strength it is). For this example I'll use 100mg nic (VG base) for easy math.
To get 100ml total of 80vg/20pg 12mg base you would use ---- 12ml of nic (counts as VG), 68ml of VG and 20ml of PG.
If your 100mg nic is PG based instead of VG based, you would use 12ml of nic (counts as PG), 80ml of VG and 8 ml of PG.
Starting to make sense? If your nic is 36mg you'll use almost 3X as much as the examples I just listed. Shooting from the hip as I don't use this but if you had 36mg PG based nic, you can't make 12mg juice at 80VG. You'd be at 76.6 VG max because you'd need 33.3% nic (counting as PG) to get 12mg nic mixed base. Any PG based flavors would lower your VG ratio further.
Look at what total percentage of flavor you use and subtract that from the PG side of the base. If you usually use 10% flavor, make 90vg/10pg base so that you end up with 80/20 after flavoring.
A lot of rambling based on not knowing what nic you have, but post the calculations you come up with and we can make sure it looks right.
Let me ask you guys this. Since most flavors are PG based, the PG in the flavors should be taken into account for total PG. So, what is a safe percentage to figure is in the individual flavors? So we just use 100%? I use a real nice calculator that when you build your ingredients in, it asks yo what percentage is PG.
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My flavor mixes are generally between 6% and 13%. I vape around 6mg, so I make my base at 6.5% - which gets me in the ballpark (I really can't tell the difference between 5% and 6%).
I don't make a base mix.. I used to, but it is just easier for me to mix as i go..
flavoring first, then my "blend" if I use one.. i don't I use max vg.. so i figure out how much i need there too..
then i add my nic and either shake and vape, or set aside to steep.. I use seed steeping.. if i need to..
it cuts my time on steeping.. normally around 3 days..
now if i was using a pg/vg blend..
i would fill in what i need into my calculator, and go by what it says..
normally it is the same way..
flavorings
then my pg and vg
then my nic
10% of steeped juice and i am golden after 3 days..
i hope this helps you out a bit more, @VapingBiker maybe..
but either way you mix.. it's your diy, do what feels right for you..
just be safe!
I'm lazy - I mix big batches of about 300ml of 10/90 (I find most mixers express their ratios in a PG/VG format) at 3.5mg - then when I add flavor I wind up with juice somewhere in the 15/85 to 20/80 range at 3.something-mg nic - close enough for hand grenades, horseshoes, or government work...
i mix for others, so i need to be accurate.. is one of the reasons I do not do "base" mixes anymore..
the other is, making a base will not make juice steep faster..
the other is, making a base will not make juice steep faster..
@Oggy
lemme ask you this.. even tho it speeds up the mix time.. does it help with steep time?
the only thing i use is seed steeping.. I really do not like the ultra sonics or much of anything else, besides time..
just curious.
@Smoky Blue My Castle long clone fresh takes about 7-10 days to steep if fresh mixed. If using the flavor base its only 1-2 days. It might work better for higher PG mixes, I use Max VG in all my mixes. For complex mixes this has help with steeping and cuts down mixing time also.
now this is a mix with... nic flavors and base or???
I make nic base mixes for time saving purposes, super handy for sampling. I do the same with only a few flavor bases, super quick when mixing on the fly for myself. Time saving purposes.
That's what I do too!
thing is.. unless it is a fruit mix.. it really wont save steep time.. unless it has the nic already in it..
that is the point im getting to.. yes creating a base can make it seem like it goes fast, but when
you need to be accurate, the only way i know of to get that speed steep time, is by using a seed steep..
I do that all the time with my juice Cream.. and i always add in
flavor, then my vg and then nic.. add 10% of steeped juice and in less than a few days, i am good to go..
that is the point im getting to.. yes creating a base can make it seem like it goes fast, but when
you need to be accurate, the only way i know of to get that speed steep time, is by using a seed steep..
I do that all the time with my juice Cream.. and i always add in
flavor, then my vg and then nic.. add 10% of steeped juice and in less than a few days, i am good to go..
I'm not trying to save steep time. My goal in making bases is saving plain old time. Steep time isn't my point at all in doing things this way.
this is what i wanted to know..
like i keep saying.. unless using an ultra sonic, crock pot, water bath, frother, drill, etc..
the only other 2 ways are time and seed steeping..
and in fact except for the last 2.. you can push your juice too far..
unless going for accuracy, bases are fine..
thanks Huck!