I don't know, but ordered the mutank rdta few days ago from vapordna, happy at $30 with included velocity deck and not having to order separate. Have the MT, crius and many more. Interested in Griffin and vcmt, Griffin too similar to crius and probably end up with vcmt. Can't go wrong with any of these options. Been very impressed with the Cthulhu v2 last few months, tend to get better flavor than crius, the juice control pisses me off so just always leave open.
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