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raymo2u

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Democrats need to just move out of the USA, they hate everything and everyone in it and they love every where else....seems like a eeasy decision to me.
Speech
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Vaping
and so much more...they are trying so hard on all these things to remove them from us...
We dont need babysitters and because of the PC/Nannystate our newest few generations are the worst off than any previous generations before it.
 

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Democrats need to just move out of the USA, they hate everything and everyone in it and they love every where else....seems like a eeasy decision to me.
Speech
Guns
Freedom
Vaping
and so much more...they are trying so hard on all these things to remove them from us...
We dont need babysitters and because of the PC/Nannystate our newest few generations are the worst off than any previous generations before it.
Dude this ain't the nanny state..this shit is jackbooted thugs busting people's heads and banning free speech,this shit is plain old fashioned totalitarianisim...I think alot of it's done to train the population"s mind to obedience to domesticate people to the whip of the state. I find it absolutely amazing how many people think questioning authority is a threat to life on the planet.
 

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Dude this ain't the nanny state..this shit is jackbooted thugs busting people's heads and banning free speech,this shit is plain old fashioned totalitarianisim...I think alot of it's done to train the population"s mind to obedience to domesticate people to the whip of the state. I find it absolutely amazing how many people think questioning authority is a threat to life on the planet.
Im terrified to see where it leads to when the loudest people are for it and those that are silent and apathetic are the ones who are against it...

#1776
“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
 

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Dude this ain't the nanny state..this shit is jackbooted thugs busting people's heads and banning free speech,this shit is plain old fashioned totalitarianisim...I think alot of it's done to train the population"s mind to obedience to domesticate people to the whip of the state. I find it absolutely amazing how many people think questioning authority is a threat to life on the planet.
I'm pretty far to the libertarian side of the debate, but I don't agree with your statement. I too am worried about the growth and overreach of government, but the US gov't isn't what you describe yet. The jack booted thugs that are banning free speech are antifa and sjw protesters. It is our citizens and their culture that has created this enviornment, not the gov't.

I just wanted to point out that our gov't hasn't started bashing people's skulls in because of what they say, yet.

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I'm pretty far to the libertarian side of the debate, but I don't agree with your statement. I too am worried about the growth and overreach of government, but the US gov't isn't what you describe yet. The jack booted thugs that are banning free speech are antifa and sjw protesters. It is our citizens and their culture that has created this enviornment, not the gov't.

I just wanted to point out that our gov't hasn't started bashing people's skulls in because of what they say, yet.

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First off, the government is the people. It is designed, run and enforced by people, not robots. Those are your fellow citizens, not some abstract idea. Secondly, the antifa and sjw people cannot ban free speech. They don't have the authority to do so. What they do is bully people and they have cowed a lot of the US people. If they get any laws passed, it's done by the elected reps, not them. Unfortunately, the reps are cowards as well. For a nation that takes so much pride in its military prowess, there sure are a lot of cowards in the US.

As for bashing in skulls, are you serious? The gov't abrogated one of the most important facets of the US, which is Habeas Corpus. This brings them to the same level as any third world dictatorship. The US gov't has assassinated US citizens. They just label them terrorists, and the cowed masses say, "Oh, that's ok, they're scary people."

I haven't lived in the US in 20 years. When I look at it I always think the same thought, "Where the fuck did my country go!"
 

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The Democrats really are trying to gut this country and turn it into a third world prison nation. I do not understand how any reasonable person does not see we are at war for our fundamental freedoms guaranteed us as citizens of this great nation. Democrats want control of everything. Our children, our means of protection and self preservation, our healthcare, our money and the means of production. All of these things are the central tenets of communism and tyranny. They have executed a successful vision of how they want to see this country in Commiefornia. That will be the whole country if the democrats have their way.

This is not a fight we are in and it hasn't been for a long time (longer than I have been alive). This is a war for our basic fundamental freedoms granted us by the constitution. Anyone who thinks this is anything but a war, is just not paying attention.

@Fudgey Finger they are bashing peoples heads presently. Soros is funding Antifa and the liberal media/democrats are protecting them.

If the democrats turn Texas or Florida blue, we are all doomed.
 

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First off, the government is the people. It is designed, run and enforced by people, not robots. Those are your fellow citizens, not some abstract idea. Secondly, the antifa and sjw people cannot ban free speech. They don't have the authority to do so. What they do is bully people and they have cowed a lot of the US people. If they get any laws passed, it's done by the elected reps, not them. Unfortunately, the reps are cowards as well. For a nation that takes so much pride in its military prowess, there sure are a lot of cowards in the US.

As for bashing in skulls, are you serious? The gov't abrogated one of the most important facets of the US, which is Habeas Corpus. This brings them to the same level as any third world dictatorship. The US gov't has assassinated US citizens. They just label them terrorists, and the cowed masses say, "Oh, that's ok, they're scary people."

I haven't lived in the US in 20 years. When I look at it I always think the same thought, "Where the fuck did my country go!"
I don't know what you are referring to specifically. Obviously I know the gov't isn't robots but thanks for clarifying.

I agree with the sentiment that the US is going down a dark totalitarian road, but the Alex Jones styled hyperbole doesn't help. My point was that you were lumping the gov't and certain groups of citizens into the same basket as if the word government and citizen are the same.

I stay as informed as I can, but I am terrible at making valid points in a political debate so I'm going to step out of this one.

@jwill This is what I mean above. Soros may be a political player, but last I checked neither antifa, Soros or the liberal media are elected representatives and therefore I wouldn't consider them the gov't.

I agree that the culture is moving in a direction that makes me believe that the blue wave will bring speech codes and socialism, but I don't know of any gov't enforced speech codes yet or instances where the national guard has shut down conservative speeches. It's radical citizens doing these things not a totalitarian gov't. Though there are many in the gov't that would be happy to see these things.

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I don't know what you are referring to specifically. Obviously I know the gov't isn't robots but thanks for clarifying.

I agree with the sentiment that the US is going down a dark totalitarian road, but the Alex Jones styled hyperbole doesn't help. My point was that you were lumping the gov't and certain groups of citizens into the same basket as if the word government and citizen are the same.

I stay as informed as I can, but I am terrible at making valid points in a political debate so I'm going to step out of this one.

@jwill This is what I mean above. Soros may be a political player, but last I checked neither antifa, Soros or the liberal media are elected representatives and therefore I wouldn't consider them the gov't.

I agree that the culture is moving in a direction that makes me believe that the blue wave will bring speech codes and socialism, but I don't know of any gov't enforced speech codes yet or instances where the national guard has shut down conservative speeches. It's radical citizens doing these things not a totalitarian gov't. Though there are many in the gov't that would be happy to see these things.

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Their tactics are straight out of the Saul Alinsky handbook. The freedom grabbers are using proxy forces such as unelected judges to usurp executive privileges and try to undermine the republic and force elected officials to commit political suicide. They are funding, aiding and abetting these groups of radical useful idiots/liberal media (who are largely a political minority). They are weaponizing everything from speech to political/religious affiliations and painting everything as racist, sexist or whatever to quietly try to shut everyone up. They do not want strong independent free thinkers because they threaten the foundation of a welfare state. Dependency = control.

They are talking out of both sides of their mouths, smiling on TV and kissing babies all while knifing everyone behind the curtain and grabbing every shred of power to expand the governments reach. Its unbelievable. This is the very definition of a shadow government.

They are by association (IMO) democrat operatives and an extension of the democrat party trying to ram the communist agenda up our rear ends through fear, violence, campaign funding of kook radicals and shame for being a person of values.

I believe you and I believe the same thing here (not speaking for you of course), I just think we are both at the conclusion we are at different points of a war with those who want this to become the next Venezuela.
 

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I'm pretty far to the libertarian side of the debate, but I don't agree with your statement. I too am worried about the growth and overreach of government, but the US gov't isn't what you describe yet. The jack booted thugs that are banning free speech are antifa and sjw protesters. It is our citizens and their culture that has created this enviornment, not the gov't.

I just wanted to point out that our gov't hasn't started bashing people's skulls in because of what they say, yet.

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the left was who I was talking about ,and no.. it is not our culture that created this enviroment.it is the international banking cartels and the political class they own...if you were truely a libertarian you would be under the opinion that left to their own devices the people would create a far more peaceful and prosperous, and freer nation than any state could provide.....I trust my neighbors far more than I trust my senator or represenatives.
 
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First off, the government is the people. It is designed, run and enforced by people, not robots. Those are your fellow citizens, not some abstract idea. Secondly, the antifa and sjw people cannot ban free speech. They don't have the authority to do so. What they do is bully people and they have cowed a lot of the US people. If they get any laws passed, it's done by the elected reps, not them. Unfortunately, the reps are cowards as well. For a nation that takes so much pride in its military prowess, there sure are a lot of cowards in the US.

As for bashing in skulls, are you serious? The gov't abrogated one of the most important facets of the US, which is Habeas Corpus. This brings them to the same level as any third world dictatorship. The US gov't has assassinated US citizens. They just label them terrorists, and the cowed masses say, "Oh, that's ok, they're scary people."

I haven't lived in the US in 20 years. When I look at it I always think the same thought, "Where the fuck did my country go!"
true words.
 

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I don't know what you are referring to specifically. Obviously I know the gov't isn't robots but thanks for clarifying.

I agree with the sentiment that the US is going down a dark totalitarian road, but the Alex Jones styled hyperbole doesn't help. My point was that you were lumping the gov't and certain groups of citizens into the same basket as if the word government and citizen are the same.

I stay as informed as I can, but I am terrible at making valid points in a political debate so I'm going to step out of this one.

@jwill This is what I mean above. Soros may be a political player, but last I checked neither antifa, Soros or the liberal media are elected representatives and therefore I wouldn't consider them the gov't.

I agree that the culture is moving in a direction that makes me believe that the blue wave will bring speech codes and socialism, but I don't know of any gov't enforced speech codes yet or instances where the national guard has shut down conservative speeches. It's radical citizens doing these things not a totalitarian gov't. Though there are many in the gov't that would be happy to see these things.

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you have your head in the sand...Alex Jones is far from hyperbole., he is uncomfortable to ignore, but it is not hyperbole.....our goverment murders on an Industrial scale every single day,if we knew half of what they really did we would lynch them..we don't like to be told the truth becusae it will demand we take some kind of action.and we would rather watch a screen and numb out.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."-----Henry Ford
 
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...there are so many more that I could go on forever that have been passed that cripple the power of the citizens and give it to the Government, your not seen as a "Person" anymore, you are seen as a Business/Corperation. That is how your slapped with debt the moment your given a SSN. There is so much to unpack with that but we havent been free people or people in over 100 years thanks to weasels.

HR4909, S 1916, and HR 3947 are being tossed around right now and if you dont think for a second that they could be done turn your attention to Deerfield, Il and Rhode Island....both have propose Semi Auto Bans and Deerfield has already passed its date, anyone that still has any Semi Auto (Handguns/Rifles) will be fined $1,000 per day and will have them confiscated. This is straight up unconstitutional and treasonous.

We are being Censored, Disarmed, and Powers being taken....We are also Taxed more than ever. Our Founding Fathers would have started shooting a Century ago but the Frog Boiling in Water Method seems to be working on a grand scale.
 

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...there are so many more that I could go on forever that have been passed that cripple the power of the citizens and give it to the Government, your not seen as a "Person" anymore, you are seen as a Business/Corperation. That is how your slapped with debt the moment your given a SSN. There is so much to unpack with that but we havent been free people or people in over 100 years thanks to weasels.

HR4909, S 1916, and HR 3947 are being tossed around right now and if you dont think for a second that they could be done turn your attention to Deerfield, Il and Rhode Island....both have propose Semi Auto Bans and Deerfield has already passed its date, anyone that still has any Semi Auto (Handguns/Rifles) will be fined $1,000 per day and will have them confiscated. This is straight up unconstitutional and treasonous.

We are being Censored, Disarmed, and Powers being taken....We are also Taxed more than ever. Our Founding Fathers would have started shooting a Century ago but the Frog Boiling in Water Method seems to be working on a grand scale.
the NDAA.
 

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...there are so many more that I could go on forever that have been passed that cripple the power of the citizens and give it to the Government, your not seen as a "Person" anymore, you are seen as a Business/Corperation. That is how your slapped with debt the moment your given a SSN. There is so much to unpack with that but we havent been free people or people in over 100 years thanks to weasels.

HR4909, S 1916, and HR 3947 are being tossed around right now and if you dont think for a second that they could be done turn your attention to Deerfield, Il and Rhode Island....both have propose Semi Auto Bans and Deerfield has already passed its date, anyone that still has any Semi Auto (Handguns/Rifles) will be fined $1,000 per day and will have them confiscated. This is straight up unconstitutional and treasonous.

We are being Censored, Disarmed, and Powers being taken....We are also Taxed more than ever. Our Founding Fathers would have started shooting a Century ago but the Frog Boiling in Water Method seems to be working on a grand scale.
yeah I have to agree ..when the US goverment tried to put a tax on Whiskey our ancestors came down out of the hills with their guns.today we switch the remote.
 

TurkishCloudz

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Democrats need to just move out of the USA, they hate everything and everyone in it and they love every where else....seems like a eeasy decision to me.
Speech
Guns
Freedom
Vaping
and so much more...they are trying so hard on all these things to remove them from us...
We dont need babysitters and because of the PC/Nannystate our newest few generations are the worst off than any previous generations before it.

Couldn’t agree more! <3
 

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