Do you think vaping should be considered smoking?

[Breazy_Com]

Good afternoon!

" Thanks to a recent court ruling, e-cigarettes are no longer subject to New York state’s ban on public smoking. This victory for vapers marks the first time that a legal entity in the U.S. has made a clear distinction between tobacco cigarettes and e-cigs. Given the impending federal regulations soon to be imposed on the e-cig industry, establishing the differences between smoking and vaping has never been more important. While the decision is undoubtedly good news for vapers living in New York, it is yet to be seen how the ruling will affect other jurisdictions." quoted from The Daily Caller.

It's almost obvious that the fumes from lighting a cigarette and exhaling from a vape are dramatically different. As a native New Yorker I am very pleased with this ruling but I know this is not the case in other states.

I think these regulations and word play are just another way to deter smokers from making the switch. Who is the one losing when it comes to vaping? Big Tabacco! I read an interview today on the Wall Street Journal and Jennifer Maloney, journalist of WSJ, stated in an interview with National Public Radio "Despite a sharp decrease of smokers in the U.S., tobacco companies are more profitable than ever." Reading that was so disappointing but solidified my theories.

Any thoughts?

 

[PoppaVic]

smoke and mirrors.. wordplay... ..squirrel!

 

[The Cromwell]

No vaping is not smoking. And second hand vapor has been shown to have VERY low health risks.
However I would not want clouds blown in my direction in a restaurant or on a public conveyance, etc.
Would not want my food to taste like someones vape juice.
And I am a vaper but only vape where smoking is appropriate.
Just being considerate of others.

 

[SteveS45]

This is from the case I linked to in the other thread and although vaping is not smoking due to the FDA Deeming Vaping products are Tobacco products and explicit vaping bans. The Judge Ruled it was smoking so Shawn got off for a smoking ticket but new regulations and bans apply despite the ruling.

 

[Ralph_K]

I don't care what opinion the government has. FDA rulings aren't laws they can be both part of both legislative and executive branches of government. This is not a dictatorship

 

[UncleRJ]

Photo of the FDA discussing the Deeming Regulations.

 

[Carambrda]

For the sake of getting themselves more popular, they might just as well be banning chemistry teachers who teach 14 year old kids in high school what the difference between smoke and vapor is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor

 

[Silver79]

I would always say No......But I suppose it depends how one technically defines "Smoke".

One could state that simple combustion is what takes place when a solid or liquid is burning and the visible cloud we see is smoke. IF the juice is being burnt, then it could fit that definition.

However as the term smoking is used socially, No I would never agree vaping is the same. I completely agree with Cromwell. Just be respectful to others and use a little common sense.

 

[SteveS45]

One could state that simple combustion is what takes place when a solid or liquid is burning and the visible cloud we see is smoke.

com·bus·tion
kəmˈbəsCH(ə)n/
noun
noun: combustion

1. the process of burning something.
   "the combustion of fossil fuels"
   synonyms: burning; More
   kindling, ignition
   "the combustion of fossil fuels"
   • Chemistry
     rapid chemical combination of a substance with oxygen, involving the production of heat and light.

 

[SteveS45]

va·por·ize
ˈvāpəˌrīz/
verb
past tense: vaporized; past participle: vaporized

1. convert or be converted into vapor.
   "there is a large current that is sufficient to vaporize carbon"

 

[SteveS45]

Like I always say if you are getting smoke out of your Vaporizer something is seriously wrong with how you are vaping.

 

[randallpiz]

For all intensive purposes, YES, vaping is the same as smoking.
Don't be THAT guy.
Seriously.

 

[SteveS45]

 

[SteveS45]

 

[PoppaVic]

"for all intents and purposes" no. fribble-off.

 

[randallpiz]

Congratulations, you people are why vapers, for the most part, are assholes & dickheads. Be an adult & respect other people's space.
Jerk offs with your stupid memes.

 

[SteveS45]

Here you go douchebag argue with the courts

https://www.churnmag.com/news/new-york-court-rules-that-vaping-is-not-smoking/

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...-smoking-ecigarettes-vape-news-cigarettes-law

https://therooster.com/blog/vaping-...ng-surprisingly-logical-new-york-court-ruling

 

[Grandpa]

Don't really care what it is or what it is called. I treat it as if it is smoking. I don't vape at the doctor's office, in church, in the car with non-smokers/vapers, or anywhere where it would be inappropriate to smoke. It's not that big of a deal.

Mind you, I am of an advanced age when we used to smoke cigarettes in the office and other like areas. I kept an ashtray on my desk. Things change. Have a little respect and use a little common sense. The argument about whether it is smoke or vapor doesn't really mean jack shit, it's all about perception. If you want to be hassled about vaping, just do it around people who don't appreciate it. It won't matter whether you are right or wrong, people will still get pissed off at you. Who needs that?

I don't vape inside my house. I have a porch/patio on the south side of my house that I vape in. When I smoked, that's where I did it too. I haven't smoked/vaped inside my house for 25 years. It keeps SWMBO happy. The glass windows on the porch fog up from the vape in the winter, not the windows inside the house.

 

[SteveS45]

Don't really care what it is or what it is called. I treat it as if it is smoking.

Where it is appropriate or allowed and being conscious of others is one thing and I agree but Vaping is not smoking.

 

[Grandpa]

Where it is appropriate or allowed and being conscious of others is one thing and I agree but Vaping is not smoking.

Who cares? It's about perception. You must realize that to most of the general population, it's the same thing. I have a friend who insists that vaping is more hazardous to one's health than smoking. He doesn't know a fucking thing about it, but why should I waste my time trying to get him to change his mind when I know it's a lost cause? I realize that to some of us the distinction between smoking and vaping is important, but the plain fact is that most people have their built in biases towards a lot of things. You can come in armed with facts, studies, reports, and opinions pouring out your ass and it won't change some people's minds. Want to start a REAL argument? Start talking about guns or religion.

 

[SteveS45]

the distinction between smoking and vaping is important,

It is important because the assholes who regulate and legislate use disinformation all the time. This is why every person you can educate makes a difference and vapers who want to consider it smoking can go back to the analogs if they can't understand the difference.

 

[Grandpa]

It is important because the assholes who regulate and legislate use disinformation all the time. This is why every person you can educate makes a difference and vapers who want to consider it smoking can go back to the analogs if they can't understand the difference.

One thing I have learned in my 64 years is that regulation and legislation have no real connection to reality. They have a much stronger connection to lobby efforts. Follow the money; in this case, big tobacco. You will never stop disinformation, no matter how much you rail against it. You can, however, end run around it.

If you want to defeat the defeatists, you have to play a different game. I am to the point where I almost have enough DIY stuff on hand to last me the rest of my life, considering my age. Enough Carolina Extract nic, enough Monarch VG, enough Lightning Vapes Clapton wire, a modest but respectable collection of mods and atty's. I should stock up on cotton and more HG2's. Not only do I protect myself against the wolves trying to stop me from doing what it pleases me to do, but it is way cheaper for me too. It costs me less than $2 to make a 120ml of juice and that includes the glass. If I got all my consumables from the local vape shop, it would be every bit as expensive as smoking Cowboy Killers. My lab equipment is paid for, my .01 gram electronic scale is paid for, the dorm room fridge I keep all my stuff in is paid for, I have enough glass and eye droppers to last 10 lifetimes. I have a bunch of different flavorings that I never use. I've got good tools and I have enough different size ss grub screws to overhaul everything. I have sources for o-rings, etc. that are not subject to draconian vape laws that may come down the pike. A guy can buy Pyrex glass from a myriad of sources if it becomes difficult to get it from the usual places. Measuring said glass is easy with the decent metrology instruments I own.

When I was a young man, I smoked a lot of xxxx. I gave that and alcohol up 38 years ago, but some of the things I learned back then about protecting one's supply still hold true today about vaping. You just need to look ahead and see where this may go. Fuck `em and feed `em fish heads.

 

[SteveS45]

Apparently some people can change their mind

E-Cigarettes No Longer Considered Tobacco Products Under Alaska Law

https://www.churnmag.com/news/e-cigarettes-no-longer-considered-tobacco-products-alaska-law/

 

[wildgypsy70]

No vaping is not smoking. And second hand vapor has been shown to have VERY low health risks.
However I would not want clouds blown in my direction in a restaurant or on a public conveyance, etc.
Would not want my food to taste like someones vape juice.
And I am a vaper but only vape where smoking is appropriate.
Just being considerate of others.

This.^^^

 

[wildgypsy70]

Don't really care what it is or what it is called. I treat it as if it is smoking. I don't vape at the doctor's office, in church, in the car with non-smokers/vapers, or anywhere where it would be inappropriate to smoke. It's not that big of a deal.

Mind you, I am of an advanced age when we used to smoke cigarettes in the office and other like areas. I kept an ashtray on my desk. Things change. Have a little respect and use a little common sense. The argument about whether it is smoke or vapor doesn't really mean jack shit, it's all about perception. If you want to be hassled about vaping, just do it around people who don't appreciate it. It won't matter whether you are right or wrong, people will still get pissed off at you. Who needs that?

I don't vape inside my house. I have a porch/patio on the south side of my house that I vape in. When I smoked, that's where I did it too. I haven't smoked/vaped inside my house for 25 years. It keeps SWMBO happy. The glass windows on the porch fog up from the vape in the winter, not the windows inside the house.

Oh, I remember when we smoked back in the kitchen of the restaurant.....ashtray was right above the salad station. Always a cig burning there. And the cooks smoked while on the line! Things have certainly changed.....

 

[Carambrda]

Who cares?

I do, and, nope, respect has got very little to do with this. In my country vaping is legally the same as smoking so as a result it is illegal to vape even inside a vape shop, and also it is illegal to sell vaping products to consumers online─meanwhile it is not illegal to stink up my workplace with all kinds of cleaning products, cheap atrocious chemical perfumes, and air fresheners that have scientifically been proven to be harmful and or cause irritation to the body, when the reality is that second hand vapor has in no way scientifically been proven to be harmful.

 

[Carambrda]

This video pinpoints some of the widespread stereotypical misconceptions about how vapor should be perceived by society as opposed to smoke.

 

[Carambrda]

I have posted the link to this article before, but here it is again:

https://www.csicop.org/si/show/does_truth_matter_science_pseudoscience_and_civilization

 

[Roadtrip635]

I don't think vaping should be considered smoking, but as part of social etiquette, I treat vaping as smoking. I don't vape in places I wouldn't have smoked, restaurants, stores, etc. Just because it's considerably less harmful, doesn't mean I shouldn't respect the people around me.

 

[PoppaVic]

I shall mention this once and once only:

Vaping is not smoking, never has been. BUT, I would understand some folks irritation: I hated/hate clove-smokers when I did smoke.

COURTESY is not a LAW, unfortunately, it is subject to the "I am offended" bunch. Worse, it isn't reciprocal. We can all be courteous, but we can all be persecuted/prosecuted anymore. I used to think polite & courteous was only Right, but alas - after all these years I've discovered only courts and legislation is Right.. Right is not Left, but it is somewhere in "legal" and "privilege" - and Left often complains anyway.​

Yeah. I too am confused and depressed by it all - do I want to hold that door open or not? I used to think polite & courtesy was NICE, but I've concluded it's just a sign of weakness according to the New World Order.

otoh, I have no problem being more rude than they can RUDE.. (I used to just light 3 or 4 cigs and puff on them all at once to peeve the NON's ;-) Now? I no longer bother visiting bars or restaurants: screw all of them. I'm just glad I'll be dead before the real crackdowns occur.

Enjoy, volken.