Don't Quite Understand

[Daniel]

Wassup everyone!! Ok, I've been doing alot of reading & trying to figure out this DIY, & I keep getting stumped at 1 spot, so I'm asking here...If I was to start making my own juice, & I saw juice, in the singular, cause there's just 1 I cannot seem to get my hands on that is what I want it to be, should I buy a bottle of PG, & a bottle of VG at the same time? I keep seeing that most recipes are calling for a certain amount of PG, and a certain amount of VG in the different recipes. I saw where one could buy premixed solution, like 30/70 or 20/80, but I get lost after that. I guess I need a simple, self explanatory way to determine what I am looking to achieve.

For example, I want to make a super Blueberry, @ 12 mg nicotine, and in 60 ml quantities to start. And to tell you the truth, I have not found a single blueberry, just blueberry juice recipe on any site yet. Maybe I didn't go in far enough, but I just haven't found one. Some of the others look mighty tasty, & I might just try them, if I can get this PG/VG question solved. Ok, thanks for reading my post, and thank you if you have any advice for a dumb ole' country boy...

Daniel

 

[Huckleberried]

Hi Daniel. For simplicity's sake, sure you could buy some nic base in a specified pg/vg ratio at 12mg and add a blueberry flavor to it. If you wanted to custom mix, then you'll likely want to order both and order nicotine in a pg or vg base at a strength you're comfortable working with.

When I first started out, I ordered nicotine at 48mg in a pg base, got more pg, some vg and a few samples of flavors. I use the ejuicemeup calculator to figure the math on my mixes. I read a LOT of information about nic storage, flavorings, recipes, asked lots of questions.... I wanted to be safe and I wanted to make good stuff, so I tried following recipes first. Eventually, once I got comfortable with and learned about flavors, I started figuring out some things of my own to make. I was thrilled when I actually liked them!

You can get sample size flavors of FlavourArt (FA) from Pure Vapes and from Bull City. Bull City also sells sample sizes of other vendors and they do have quite a selection. Both places offer good prices on product and shipping and I've been very pleased with both. Bilberry by FA is very good, very authentic and doesn't require much at all! TFA also sells 4ml size samples of their flavors only.

You do the right thing when you ask before proceeding, imo. It's the best way to learn! There's a lot involved, but that's what this forum is for, too. To help I sure didn't do this alone, still don't.

 

[misswish]

Pg & vg - I started out at 50/50, and I'm still there. I get the throat hit and the flavor I like. Some people like more of one, some the other. It's personal preference, what works best for you. I agree with Huck, FA's bilberry is very good, and ask questions.

 

[Ace]

My 2cents. The major downside to premixed pg/vg is that you can't really easily change your mind.

 

[Daniel]

Hi Daniel. For simplicity's sake, sure you could buy some nic base in a specified pg/vg ratio at 12mg and add a blueberry flavor to it. If you wanted to custom mix, then you'll likely want to order both and order nicotine in a pg or vg base at a strength you're comfortable working with.

When I first started out, I ordered nicotine at 48mg in a pg base, got more pg, some vg and a few samples of flavors. I use the ejuicemeup calculator to figure the math on my mixes. I read a LOT of information about nic storage, flavorings, recipes, asked lots of questions.... I wanted to be safe and I wanted to make good stuff, so I tried following recipes first. Eventually, once I got comfortable with and learned about flavors, I started figuring out some things of my own to make. I was thrilled when I actually liked them!

You can get sample size flavors of FlavourArt (FA) from Pure Vapes and from Bull City. Bull City also sells sample sizes of other vendors and they do have quite a selection. Both places offer good prices on product and shipping and I've been very pleased with both. Bilberry by FA is very good, very authentic and doesn't require much at all! TFA also sells 4ml size samples of their flavors only.

You do the right thing when you ask before proceeding, imo. It's the best way to learn! There's a lot involved, but that's what this forum is for, too. To help I sure didn't do this alone, still don't.

I bought a 30ml bottle of FA Bilberry, now all I have left to do is buy the pg/vg mix, and go from there. I wish it were more simplified, jesus christ, I have a hard enough time with little math problems, now I'm looking into compounding them 100 times...lol I have the app Juice Me Up on the computer, and I've been studying it. I guess I wanted things to be simple, buy the flavoring, buy the mix, add flavoring, DONE. But idk. Blueberry is the only flavor I have found that I have gotten addicted to, and it's my all day vape, and all night vape. Just can't find one as strong a tasting as I like. Guess the vendors have to make a profit, so they can't really cater to everyone's tastes right?

 

[Huckleberried]

Wrong, in a happy way! FA Bilberry is that strong. Seriously. And it really is that simple. If I were gonna make this at my own preferred (75pg/25vg) ratio...

For a 5ml sample ejuicemeup tells me:

0.65ml Nic (I have 100mg in a PG base)
3.1 ml PG
1.12ml VG
0.125ml FA Bilberry.

Dude, you're gonna have a LOT of bilberry to vape, lol.

 

[SeniorBoy]

Good advice for Daniel. If you translate Huck's post and his humorous/funny comment it is 2.5% or 2 drops of FA Bilberry. Make sense Daniel? Safety is Key and much mucho importanto. I suggest you post the NIC base you intended to purchase and what MG you wish to obtain and your flavor percent's, batch size BEFORE you mix. Easy peasy for one of us to check it for you.

Have fun and good luck

 

[Daniel]

Good advice for Daniel. If you translate Huck's post and his humorous/funny comment it is 2.5% or 2 drops of FA Bilberry. Make sense Daniel? Safety is Key and much mucho importanto. I suggest you post the NIC base you intended to purchase and what MG you wish to obtain and your flavor percent's, batch size BEFORE you mix. Easy peasy for one of us to check it for you.

Have fun and good luck

SeniorBoy,
I ran this on my app, EJuiceMeUp, & this is what I came out with.
My flavor--Blueberry Slam
Target Nic. Mg. 12
Target Mix--40pg/60vg
Target quantity--30ml

Ingredients:
Nicotine--3.6ml----72 drops-----12%
PG---------8.6ml----163 drops----27.2%
VG--------12.24ml--245 drops---40.8%
FA-Bilberry---6ml---120 drops---20.0%

I could not be so lucky as to have figured it out this fast. Somewhere I screwed it up. I know I did. Someone check me if you have time, I just want to see if I have figured it out, or fouled it up....lol

 

[Huckleberried]

If you're using a 12mg nic base, you're gonna come in a tad under 12mg in your final mix. Are you using a 12mg base? What is the base, pg or vg? Based on 100mg, it looked right.

 

[Huckleberried]

Nevermind, I saw the answer..... you might want to order it a little higher to hit your accurate 12mg mark. It's still safe to work with. Wear gloves if it helps you feel better, seriously. Not a bad idea to do that regardless.

Maybe order it at 36mg in pg?

 

[Daniel]

If you're using a 12mg nic base, you're gonna come in a tad under 12mg in your final mix. Are you using a 12mg base? What is the base, pg or vg? Based on 100mg, it looked right.

Well now, it might not be as hard as I thought it was gonna be. If I can figure it out, anyone can figure it out. Thanks guys, this has been a hell of alot of help to me.

 

[Huckleberried]

Always ask questions when working with DIY and you're not sure, Daniel. So glad to be able to help someone! I've had a lot of help, too.

 

[SeniorBoy]

Happy to help. BTW, please think TEST BATCHES FIRST please. A 5ml or10ML with different percents of your Blueberry to see which one you like. Then "LIVE" with each batch for a day or two before you make up your mind.

HTH

 

[Daniel]

Happy to help. BTW, please think TEST BATCHES FIRST please. A 5ml or10ML with different percents of your Blueberry to see which one you like. Then "LIVE" with each batch for a day or two before you make up your mind.

HTH

Ok, I can do that. Now I'm assuming I'm gonna need to steep my new flavors for awhile right? Maybe a week to start, and go from there?

 

[Huckleberried]

I let fruits rest overnight. Give 'em a good shake right after, maybe anytime you think about it, too. A fruit by itself may not take as long, really. At least in my experience.

Good advice SeniorBoy. Good luck Daniel. REALLY hope it works out for you. Also, this might help out. Great review from HeadInClouds. http://vapingunderground.com/threads/my-notes-on-flavourart-bilberry.2720/

 

[skagit]

Just remember it is easier to add. Than trying to take away. FA bilberry is strong! it also has something to do with ratio PG/VG
I do max VG. So flavors I think I have to add a bit more. VG mutes flavor. But everyone is different and tastes things different.
Daniel steep time is different for everyone. There is no set in stone time. I find darker the mix more time it takes. That's just me though.

 

[kabalm18]

Wowzers! Bilberry @ 20%!!!!!

 

[Huckleberried]

Wowzers! Bilberry @ 20%!!!!!

Oh nooooo! The calculation I did was for TWO percent. Daniel, I hope you see this!! oh yikes. TWO percent. 2

 

[Daniel]

Oh nooooo! The calculation I did was for TWO percent. Daniel, I hope you see this!! oh yikes. TWO percent. 2

LOL, Yes my friend, I saw this, and I thought it was a slight miscalculation. It's not a problem, no worries, I wasn't gonna start anything until next week, I'm wrapping up some loose ends here first, so it will have my full attention... You can relax, it's alright...ok? You have a great weekend my friend,

Daniel

 

[Huckleberried]

Lmao, cool. 2% buddy.

 

[Hermit]

LOL 20% Bilberry would've been... something!

 

[kboxvegas]

LOL 20% Bilberry would've been... something!

lol, I think it would have been freaking awesome for about two seconds, just before you would have blown up your taste buds and nothing would have ever tasted the same again. I almost did the same thing once with FA Lime Tahiti. I drew 2ml in the syringe when it called for .2ml. Lucky for me, I caught it before it was too late.