ECC BANS ALL CLONES FROM BEING SOLD

[TygerTyger]

An object can not change definition just because of perception. I buy a Rolex MOD, they tell me its not the real deal. 30 bucks. So you think even though it has Rolex all over it, and it looks just like it, with logos, that its just a clone. I then walk up to my buddy, and say I just scored this Rolex MOD, I will sell it to you for 200, of course its real, shit bro, why would I sell it for just 200 if you were not my friend. Suddenly the same object, seconds later, is now a counterfeit under your definition.

If you have swipped peoples logos, and brand names, its a counterfeit. If you are a vaper, and just want to vape, buy the unbranded clone, or something like a Siegeli.

Its not so complicated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit_consumer_goods

I didn't write the dictionary, and apparently you didn't read it. Merriam Webster was abundantly clear about this. 'Counterfeit' implies an intent to defraud and or deceive. If no attempt to fool anyone is made, it's not counterfeiting.

 

[Andrew M]

Screw authentic mechanical mods, who wants to pay 200+ dollars for a battery tube when you can get the same battery tube for 15-50 dollars and in some cases its a better mod! When it comes down to it you are going to pay 150+ dollars for a metal tube that has a connection and a switch and 80+ for an authentic atty....Thats a freaking car payment.
Mod designers; if china can do it and make it almost identical in terms of look and functionality for a fraction of the price, why are you still ripping people off? Its unbelievable.

 

[CouterfeitsAreTheft]

So, Joe apparently likes to steal, or have his followers steal copyrighted material to repost on youtube

 

[CouterfeitsAreTheft]

Considering the clone in question

I didn't write the dictionary, and apparently you didn't read it. Merriam Webster was abundantly clear about this. 'Counterfeit' implies an intent to defraud and or deceive. If no attempt to fool anyone is made, it's not counterfeiting.

had a certain engraving on it made to defraud and deceive, yes, they were selling counterfeits.

 

[CouterfeitsAreTheft]

Vape Con USA in October should be interesting. I think Joe should make his way to Ontario for that.

Please, let him be there

 

[Icarus]

So, Joe apparently likes to steal, or have his followers steal copyrighted material to repost on youtube

Troll.
(if that's how ya wanna frame it, go ahead...)

 

[Merrick92]

So, Joe apparently likes to steal, or have his followers steal copyrighted material to repost on youtube

SAYS THE GUY WITH THE STOLEN BATMAN AVATAR

 

[allby]

But were they passing off the clones as authentic?

In a earlier post it was said that they were selling clones but not passing them off as real

 

[Andrew M]

I think thats good they banned clones they are counterfiet products and they are stealing money from hardworking mod makers. Plz dont say price and complaining that they cost too much because in fact mods are a luxury if you cant afford it just save up i hate the fact that people complain that they are too expensive save up or make better career choices. #TeamAuthentic4Life

Wow really? Mods arent just a luxury, they are there so people can SAVE money by not smoking cigarettes and SAVE money by rebuilding the coils themselves. The whole point is to NOT smoke cigarettes. I know i cant afford an authentic because im putting myself through college and trying to pay for food and gas and that shiy adds up, so yeah im gonna buy clones because its WAAAAAAY more cost effective, it really peeves me when someone makes a blanket statement like that.

 

[Icarus]

Yeah, the statement about making "better career choices" says a lot about this poster... could you be a bigger SNOB?!?

 

[Whiskey]

So, Joe apparently likes to steal, or have his followers steal copyrighted material to repost on youtube

 

[Whiskey]

Please, let him be there

 

[TygerTyger]

Considering the clone in question

had a certain engraving on it made to defraud and deceive, yes, they were selling counterfeits.

*facepalm* if the item was represented as an authentic, then it's a counterfeit. It wasn't. It was represented as a clone, thus destroying the counterfeit argument. Really guys. Dictionaries are online now. If you can find this forum you should be able to Google it.

 

[cherrycakes]

I NEED that coffee mug

 

[kelli]

SAYS THE GUY WITH THE STOLEN BATMAN AVATAR

and just arrived here yesterday. this place is lousy with new arrivals just to post in this thread. amazing.

 

[Whiskey]

Swatting them like flies is a hard job, but someones gotta Dew-It

 

[Whiskey]

Girls with daddy issues do not impress me. All i've done is ask all the right questions, and you've proved it by not being able to back up your opinion or formulate any type of relevant answer.

Case and point!

 

[Zombiewoof]

It has just occurred to me that I can sound reasonably intelligent at times

That happened to me once, I got scared, shut my door and turned off all the lights.....

 

[surfnpuff]

Mod Elitists really have no argument because they have too many authentic mods shoved up their ass to see anything rationally and logically. I love how they cry and cry and no one gives a shit except the other useless Mod Elitists that will never change or affect cloning in anyway. It's awesome!

 

[moecat]

Case and point!

Fuck's sake ... thanks for stimulating the lunch time appetites for us west coasters

 

[Alexander Knapp]

Pick me! Pick me! Can I be the one to win a real deal mod that I can probably get identical or better at Fasttech or Focalecig for $20-$40 with free shipping?

#1 Way to confuse the idiots in your life.....Ask $1,000 for a flashlight with a stupid logo and serial number.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to get styled mods without logos and serials?

My authentic Stingray X only cost me 250 and it is SS #21 Did NOT come with a drip tip just the JD Tech bag. But, I am single have no responsibilities and don't sacrifice my livelihood by over-buying. (People have been known to wreck their lives gambling or blowing their mortgage at a strip club, I ain't one of those.) I do not endanger my business with my purchases, etc. If I don't make enough one month, I'm SOL and don't buy much of anything. Do what is within your budget to do! If you really want an authentic, save or sell some stuff off. But pricing a Singray X for 1K is just way way overboard. I can see it being done in a few years, but not now. Rolex watches authentics also go up in price through time. I sold a Submariner to a guy in the Arab Emirates for the same cost I bought it for and it was engraved with my name. Go Figure! Coin collecting is the same thing, a bank will only give you the face value of the coin (1844 penny for a penny) but a collector will buy it from you at a higher price point. Much like an authentic Pegasus would be valued higher than its original cost to a collector. Antiques are in the same category. It's just a sewing machine from 1700 that you can make for a few bucks now, but the value to a collector can be astronomical. Pawn Stars anyone?!

 

[Icarus]

Allby my main few points I am making is 99% of the people who say they cannot afford them can. They just choose not too. And also the people who sit and say that the clones are better quality only say that because they haven't owned one. People designs are their own art and they should be compensated for their designs and the capital they have invested in design and crafting their mods.

People buy clones because they want to feel like it is real. When's the last time a clone has done anything that's new and exciting or ground breaking. They make money on someone else's hard work.

That's a HUGE judgment you are making, that 99% can afford but won't. I think that's elitist bullshit, for sure.
So what about people like Artemis Custom Mods? They took the Kayfun and worked with Chinese manufacturers to make a BETTER design. Is that WRONG? They don't copy logos either... And price their products reasonably, more than a typical clone but a hell of a lot less than the "original".

 

[Celtic Fog]

Fucking idiots verbally assaulted the IJOY staff on video and then posted it.....way to show your IQ and understanding of the law lol, enjoy the countersuit....and for your information, you can do whatever you want with Cease and Desist papers...not a felony to file them in the trash. Ass clowns made themselves look like fucking idiots, I will NEVER support any of those lames. Fuck Kryptonite. Fuck all Authentic Mech mods and Authentic RDA RBA's....you guys got to watch the video if you have not seen it already.

 

[BigNasty]

Mod Elitists really have no argument because they have too many authentic mods shoved up their ass to see anything rationally and logically. I love how they cry and cry and no one gives a shit except the other useless Mod Elitists that will never change or affect cloning in anyway. It's awesome!

It boils down to this.. if it vapes and keeps you off the suckies who cares.
I would love to take a clone in a sock and one of those elitist tard's mod and put it in a sock... then proceed in beating the shit out of them with said socks and ask if they notice a difference.

 

[PAPAW]

Icarus, quit drinking the koolaid. Artemis Custom Mods took the Tobeco Kayfun Clone, added extra orings, his own box, and made up his own name. But we don't care, he stole a clone and reboxed it. It is no where near what an authentic Kayfun is. Buy one and you will see the glaring imperfections .Better design? I am really laughing. A clone peddler reselling a clone for twice of what you could pay for it at 101Vapes.

 

[Celtic Fog]

Considering the clone in question

had a certain engraving on it made to defraud and deceive, yes, they were selling counterfeits.

Your retarded...its nothing more than trademark violation....they can be sued....good luck collecting.

 

[Vaping ShiFu]

I had a booth there, and did not find out about "no clones" until after I paid and got contract--actually did not get much information overall!
We had original mods anyway ;-)

The show was killer-- great turn out, but ECC needs to really work on their organization side, it was very difficult to get things done for set-up.

The video equals nothing more than a lynch mob if you ask me--the guys serving the papers did a very poor job, and aggravated the situation.
Tossing F-bombs and yelling at these people was unprofessional and in the eyes of the world, it gives vaping a thug-like persona!

Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy? Kinda like that!

 

[brandon]

That's a HUGE judgment you are making, that 99% can afford but won't. I think that's elitist bullshit, for sure.
So what about people like Artemis Custom Mods? They took the Kayfun and worked with Chinese manufacturers to make a BETTER design. Is that WRONG? They don't copy logos either... And price their products reasonably, more than a typical clone but a hell of a lot less than the "original".

If artemis custom mods had any talent he would of worked with china on his own design instead he is a talentless hack banking on Svoe's designs

 

[BigNasty]

I had a booth there, and did not find out about "no clones" until after I paid and got contract--actually did not get much information overall!
We had original mods anyway ;-)

The show was killer-- great turn out, but ECC needs to really work on their organization side, it was very difficult to get things done for set-up.

The video equals nothing more than a lynch mob if you ask me--the guys serving the papers did a very poor job, and aggravated the situation.
Tossing F-bombs and yelling at these people was unprofessional and in the eyes of the world, it gives vaping a thug-like persona!

Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy? Kinda like that!

But the tards in that movie could hold an Itatter correctly.

 

[Whiskey]

Could even have been all set up for publicity too, think about it.................just sayin

 

[Icarus]

Icarus, quit drinking the koolaid. Artemis Custom Mods took the Tobeco Kayfun Clone, added extra orings, his own box, and made up his own name. But we don't care, he stole a clone and reboxed it. It is no where near what an authentic Kayfun is. Buy one and you will see the glaring imperfections Better desig? I am really laughing. A clone peddler reselling a clone for twice of what you could pay for it at 101Vapes.

That's a really adult response. So much for constructive discussion: the point is/was, what about the FACT that there ARE "clone" makers out there that are attempting to improve upon the original mod? Your opinion as to whether they are or are not successful is not of value here. The goal should be to encourage innovation AND free market.

 

[Zombiewoof]

OK, I wanna fucking award! I just read this entire thread up until here. I took me two days, 15ml of juice and two batteries. I kinda have a headache now.

 

[Whiskey]

yur a slow reader

 

[Zombiewoof]

OH I just bought a Beyond Vape Silo.....is that a clone?

 

[Celtic Fog]

OK, I wanna fucking award! I just read this entire thread up until here. I took me two days, 15ml of juice and two batteries. I kinda have a headache now.

you are dedicated sir, dedicated indeed.....

 

[Zombiewoof]

yur a slow reader

OK I did sleep....

 

[BigNasty]

OK, I wanna fucking award! I just read this entire thread up until here. I took me two days, 15ml of juice and two batteries. I kinda have a headache now.

You want a cookie or something?

Have at all I got are gluten free sugar free abominations in the pantry

 

[PAPAW]

I'm trying to save you money. Don't buy the Artemis clone, your being had. Buy the exact same clone somewhere else for 1/2 the price.

 

[brandon]

*facepalm* if the item was represented as an authentic, then it's a counterfeit. It wasn't. It was represented as a clone, thus destroying the counterfeit argument. Really guys. Dictionaries are online now. If you can find this forum you should be able to Google it.

Tyger I challenge you and joe for a whole week pimp nothing but logoless clones. I doubt you will because you make money on these logo'd clones. Just saying

 

[BigNasty]

I'm trying to save you money. Don't buy the Artemis clone, your being had. Buy the exact same clone somewhere else for 1/2 the price.

Yep and once artimis gets your money he has even less customer service.
You got an out of the box defect.. good luck on getting money back or something functional.

 

[PAPAW]

I mean seriously, it's ok when one of your own rips you off because it's ModEnvy endorsed. Artemis is laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[VaporJoe]

So, Joe apparently likes to steal, or have his followers steal copyrighted material to repost on youtube

Im simply reposting whats already public.

Tyger I challenge you and joe for a whole week pimp nothing but logoless clones. I doubt you will because you make money on these logo'd clones. Just saying

Actually there are very little logoless clones. There wouldn't be enough variety or great prices. We don't pimp simply to pimp - there has to be a good price involved.

 

[BigNasty]

I mean seriously, it's ok when one of your own rips you off because it's ModEnvy endorsed. Artemis is laughing all the way to the bank.

OH I know!!
I don;t give a flying fuck if it is pimped on modenvy.. I got ripped off by art1mus and ripped off by angelcigs.. not falling for that shit again..

 

[Fishee]

Tyger I challenge you and joe for a whole week pimp nothing but logoless clones. I doubt you will because you make money on these logo'd clones. Just saying

I mean seriously, it's ok when one of your own rips you off because it's ModEnvy endorsed. Artemis is laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Icarus]

I'm trying to save you money. Don't buy the Artemis clone, your being had. Buy the exact same clone somewhere else for 1/2 the price.

Missed my point. AGAIN. I give up here. I have better things to do with my time. Oh, btw, 101 carries ehpro v2 and it's not the same. Even if it were, it's the same price I paid. I'd rather give Artemis my money. I have the tobeco version and it's also not just a difference of O-rings. But I'm not interested in more details here. I'm leaving now...

 

[BigGunn]

If mod makers really want to avoid the whole clone fiasco, it's quite simple. Take your time. Copyright/trademark your design. Don't think a patent is gonna fly at this point seeing as how these really are just glorified flashlight tubes. But seriously. Take your time. Get your ducks in a row. Then release your product at an affordable price to both you and the consumer. A lot of this stems from these modders cashing in on the vape craze and not taking the time to either develop their own clearly custom logo and/or design and instead rushing to get a product out to make as much profit as they can in a cash grab effort then getting butt hurt when their sales start drying up as a clone comes on the scene.

 

[TygerTyger]

Tyger I challenge you and joe for a whole week pimp nothing but logoless clones. I doubt you will because you make money on these logo'd clones. Just saying

We run deals, simply put. Where logoless clones are available, we run them. At this time, the majority of clones are not logoless..... now please don't make me reiterate that putting an unoriginal or royalty free logo on an authentic gives modders no room for whining when logos get copied.

 

[brandon]

We run deals, simply put. Where logoless clones are available, we run them. At this time, the majority of clones are not logoless..... now please don't make me reiterate that putting an unoriginal or royalty free logo on an authentic gives modders no room for whining when logos get copied.

But you aren't willing to sacrifice your income for a week to show that you can do only logo less clones? and maybe pimp some authentic's?

 

[brandon]

We're on two ends of a spectrum people who support good craftsmanship and art and people who earn on clones it will be a heaven and hell eternal struggle and nobody will win why are we still arguing. Lets just make sandcastles.

 

[Icarus]

If artemis custom mods had any talent he would of worked with china on his own design instead he is a talentless hack banking on Svoe's designs

...just more elitist mindless blathering from you. I suppose you could do so much better? AND ARE DOING SO?!?!