Evic vt - who's getting one, who has one already?

[vapedick]

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[Mazam]

So while the Evic seemed to do fine on the dripper with the Ti, i just can't seem to dial in a good vape on my Lemo Drop.

Regardless what settings i try on a .3 or .4 coil it just temps out after the first couple of pulls and the hit goes to shit. Not sure if i'm doing something wrong, but seems like a giant step backwards from the way my SX Mini does TC.

 

[Dr3d]

Mine does it FREQUENTLY ... I have a little series of steps I go through to get it to stay in Temp Control, but I sometimes have to fight to get it to accept what I'm telling it. I'm not having problems with a Kayfun. Rather, this is my Billow V2 with a Ti dual coil build. I don't use the Evic in Wattage mode, so after the first time it choked the hell out of me ... I dropped the wattage setting to 30 to avoid flame outs. But losing my setting on the motorcycle is a PISSER 'cause the procedure to get Temp to stick again involves unscrewing tank, mode change, coil unlock, power off, power on, screw tank back on, several short (less than 1 sec) pulses, verify I'm still in temp control, 3 clicks, jog, jog, relock atomizer, several more short pulses verifying temp control has stuck, then and only then hit and verify I'm still in TC. This means I have to pull off of the road into a parking lot just so I can get the vape I'm asking for.

I was really hoping P. B. would come up with a fix for this truly annoying phenomenon. As some of y'all know I had this on order in all three colors at one point. This failure to do what I'm telling it to do is WHY I have not ordered the rest of the set. If Yihi releases a firmware update for the sx350j to do Ti before Joyetech releases firmware 1.19 to fix this problem ... Yihi will get my next mod spend funds (I realize I can do Ti on the sx350j by faking out the temp setting, but I want easier).

Ignore the post above. I need to enroll in remedial building classes. Evidently, I need to re-tighten the post screws every time the Billow throws me out of temp control. It's true that I never experienced this building with kanthal, but the resistance variation is minute - my current build dropped from .22 ohms to .19 ohms when I tightened the screws again and it has been holding stable where I set it as well.

I'm taking the time to tell on myself 'cause I don't want to give inaccurate information regarding the mod's performance.

 

[GEORGE DAVIS]

So while the Evic seemed to do fine on the dripper with the Ti, i just can't seem to dial in a good vape on my Lemo Drop.

Regardless what settings i try on a .3 or .4 coil it just temps out after the first couple of pulls and the hit goes to shit. Not sure if i'm doing something wrong, but seems like a giant step backwards from the way my SX Mini does TC.

I think it's because you're fighting against the tc all the time. It keeps hitting the temp ceiling and cutting off. The wicking has to be perfect or the juice doesn't flow enough to the coil.

 

[GEORGE DAVIS]

So while the Evic seemed to do fine on the dripper with the Ti, i just can't seem to dial in a good vape on my Lemo Drop.

Regardless what settings i try on a .3 or .4 coil it just temps out after the first couple of pulls and the hit goes to shit. Not sure if i'm doing something wrong, but seems like a giant step backwards from the way my SX Mini does TC.

Sounds silly but, go to a mirror and watch how quickly and often the tc kicks in during those drags, it's a lot. The first hit is usually good because the wick is fully saturated.

 

[Mazam]

Sounds silly but, go to a mirror and watch how quickly and often the tc kicks in during those drags, it's a lot. The first hit is usually good because the wick is fully saturated.

Yeah, i saw it was that. TC shoots it down to like 7w from the 30 and basically sits in that area until the first 1 sec of my next pull. Rinse and repeat.

Just used to the steady pull of my SX Mini, with it hitting a temp and staying there for the duration. That's what i personally found to be a satisfying vape at least. Not sure i want to go backwards from that

 

[dre]

Sounds like a wicking issue less is more with temp you want that wick to stay wet. Whenit dries the hit is weak

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[Mazam]

Set yer TC up to 480-510. They don't sense temperature accurately. They do however sense temp precisely.

I did. After watching PB' video and seeing the scope readings that anything over 400 actually only amounted to a very slight gain (500 = 410), i went as a high as the 600. Didn't seem to make a difference. The TC would kick in rather quick regardless.

Only thing i can think of is it being some kind of airflow/cooling issue with the limited airflow Lemo Drop, which isn't playing nice with how the Evic does TC. Then again it's basically the same airflow as a K4 that PB used, so....

 

[Mazam]

Sounds like a wicking issue less is more with temp you want that wick to stay wet. Whenit dries the hit is weak

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IDK, on my third coil attempt with the same results.

Would too much wicking make that much a difference in temp? Not like i'm stuffing it in there either, and i'm cutting the wick a smidge short of the deck before doing a pancake.

 

[dre]

It does cut the wick so there is minimum 2 mm from the thread on base wall. Basically rip trippers pancake wicking method. You'll see the difference on the lemo for sure.

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[Mazam]

I'll watch the video and give it another go tonight i guess.

 

[2c5000]

i never lock the resistance and have not once been kicked out of TC mode. i dont lock it because my atty does not come off very often.

 

[GEORGE DAVIS]

IDK, on my third coil attempt with the same results.

Would too much wicking make that much a difference in temp? Not like i'm stuffing it in there either, and i'm cutting the wick a smidge short of the deck before doing a pancake.

I had to wick my rta pretty loosely. After that the tc issue lessened quite a bit but never fully went away. And none of my factory coils could keep up.

 

[vapedick]

don't communicate with this asshole or he may start spamming you with pm's

 

[vapedick]

I had to wick my rta pretty loosely. After that the tc issue lessened quite a bit but never fully went away. And none of my factory coils could keep up.

You don't even own an evic vt. What the fuck do you know?
Can't afford a proper mod. Living check to check.

 

[Tom950]

Click on their name and click ignore

 

[Whiskey]

Better check your pm's
vapedick
GEORGE DAVIS

 

[GEORGE DAVIS]

Done. Keeps coming through in my email though.

 

[2c5000]

@vapedick... personally i love your avatar regardless if those beauts are yours or not. have any more to share?

haha

 

[Whiskey]

I'll leave the pm this time but if I see anymore pm's posted, I'll go into point mode again,
Our report system went into overdrive and when that happens , it needs to be for a good reason, our time checking these is either wasted for bullshit or tending to them for a reason that is warranted..

Carry on
Edit....Ignore option is your friend

 

[GEORGE DAVIS]

don't communicate with this asshole or he may start spamming you with pm's

Yeah sorry, I wrote that last night when I was pissed off. You can, obviously, choose to look like as big of an ass wipe as you like. My bad. Vape on!

 

[Mazam]

It does cut the wick so there is minimum 2 mm from the thread on base wall. Basically rip trippers pancake wicking method. You'll see the difference on the lemo for sure.

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Ok, gave it a try and am seeing better results. Not on par with the Sx mini and a nickel build, but workable.

So when you guys are locking in your ohms, are you doing it with a fast tap immediately after screwing on the atty? (with everything cooled off first, of course)

 

[GEORGE DAVIS]

Ok, gave it a try and am seeing better results. Not on par with the Sx mini and a nickel build, but workable.

So when you guys are locking in your ohms, are you doing it with a fast tap immediately after screwing on the atty? (with everything cooled off first, of course)

Yeah or it will fluctuate and won't have a true ohm reading of the coil.

 

[Dr3d]

Ok, gave it a try and am seeing better results. Not on par with the Sx mini and a nickel build, but workable.

So when you guys are locking in your ohms, are you doing it with a fast tap immediately after screwing on the atty? (with everything cooled off first, of course)

It doesn't really matter when you decide to lock the resistance. The Evic is going to refine its reading continuously whether or not it is locked. Locking does make a difference when you are about to pull an atomizer. If you are going to fill and replace it - locking it will get you right back where you left off before filling it. However if you are going to rebuild or change the atty ... unlocking before removal will get you a better chance at the new or same atty selection.

 

[EnvyCIG]

Hey Folks,
Just wanted to touch base and provide some more information regarding the Spider Silk Titanium Wire.

TI wire for vaping can be a bit tricky to clean, we strive to deliver a great product and we are constantly working to improve. So typically there are 2 common approaches to cleaning wire: torching - cant do it (titanium dioxide) and then there is what jewelers do and that is acid etching - dont want to do it (typically have to use hydrofluoric acid – which can be very dangerous, especially the gas fumes - not saying that it WOULD be harmful, just dont want to risk it).

So instead of these options, we use natural cleaners along side with ultrasonic cleaning. This allows us to get most of the cutting oils off, but sometimes it doesnt get all of it. Again, we are working even harder to make it the best wire we can.

Just put a post on our site breaking in down further, check it out if you wish: https://www.envycig.com/titanium-wire/

For those who would like to try it out, or give it another whirl: use "spidersilk25" at checkout to get 25% off.

Any questions, email: [email protected]

 

[Mroutlaw]

i never lock the resistance and have not once been kicked out of TC mode. i dont lock it because my atty does not come off very often.

I've had my device kick out of ti mode 3 or 4 times. Every time was with the ego xl tank with a rebuilt clr head using titanium. I've never had it happen with a ni200 head or setting and it's never happened with a titanium build on my zepyrus, epoch d1 or billow v2. I have a feeling it's because if you have a ti cool at .3-.5 ohm and it gets to hot and it thinks the ohms are 1 ohm and kicks into wattage mode. Any cool that I've had built below .25 has not had the issue.

It can happen even if you have the resistance locked because even with a resistance lock, it sees the jump in ohms as you fire the coil. The resistance lock just tells the device what the resistance is as you begin to fire it. You see this on busardo video when he locks a resistance in and then it sees the resistance as different than the one he locked in. But as soon as he pressed the fire button, it goes back to locked resistance reading.

This would be an easy fix for them. All they need to do is eliminate the auto wattage mode when the coil is over 1ohm. Unfortunately, we don't have ability to update firmware.

 

[Mazam]

Hey Folks,
Just wanted to touch base and provide some more information regarding the Spider Silk Titanium Wire.

TI wire for vaping can be a bit tricky to clean, we strive to deliver a great product and we are constantly working to improve. So typically there are 2 common approaches to cleaning wire: torching - cant do it (titanium dioxide) and then there is what jewelers do and that is acid etching - dont want to do it (typically have to use hydrofluoric acid – which can be very dangerous, especially the gas fumes - not saying that it WOULD be harmful, just dont want to risk it).

So instead of these options, we use natural cleaners along side with ultrasonic cleaning. This allows us to get most of the cutting oils off, but sometimes it doesnt get all of it. Again, we are working even harder to make it the best wire we can.

Just put a post on our site breaking in down further, check it out if you wish: https://www.envycig.com/titanium-wire/

For those who would like to try it out, or give it another whirl: use "spidersilk25" at checkout to get 25% off.

Any questions, email: [email protected]

Thanks for popping in and giving that info. It's much appreciated.

Being initially irritated to see my Amazon order from you guys ship out of Colorado instead of the Florida as stated, i feel i should go on record to state that Friday morning first class USPS order was at my door waiting by the time i woke up on Monday . I've also been pretty happy with it as my first venture into Ti.

 

[janne303]

News from Busardo http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/2015/06/25/evic-vt-heads-up/

 

[Mazam]

News from Busardo http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/2015/06/25/evic-vt-heads-up/

Interesting.

(although kinda the same on hearing somebody bought one of these with the intention of running a 2ohm coil at 6w . I guess that battery life would last forever between charges)

 

[StanM]

I've had my device kick out of ti mode 3 or 4 times. Every time was with the ego xl tank with a rebuilt clr head using titanium. I've never had it happen with a ni200 head or setting and it's never happened with a titanium build on my zepyrus, epoch d1 or billow v2. I have a feeling it's because if you have a ti cool at .3-.5 ohm and it gets to hot and it thinks the ohms are 1 ohm and kicks into wattage mode. Any cool that I've had built below .25 has not had the issue.

It can happen even if you have the resistance locked because even with a resistance lock, it sees the jump in ohms as you fire the coil. The resistance lock just tells the device what the resistance is as you begin to fire it. You see this on busardo video when he locks a resistance in and then it sees the resistance as different than the one he locked in. But as soon as he pressed the fire button, it goes back to locked resistance reading.

This would be an easy fix for them. All they need to do is eliminate the auto wattage mode when the coil is over 1ohm. Unfortunately, we don't have ability to update firmware.

Thx for the info. I will try a build lower than .25Ω and see how it works out

 

[GEORGE DAVIS]

Hey Folks,
Just wanted to touch base and provide some more information regarding the Spider Silk Titanium Wire.

TI wire for vaping can be a bit tricky to clean, we strive to deliver a great product and we are constantly working to improve. So typically there are 2 common approaches to cleaning wire: torching - cant do it (titanium dioxide) and then there is what jewelers do and that is acid etching - dont want to do it (typically have to use hydrofluoric acid – which can be very dangerous, especially the gas fumes - not saying that it WOULD be harmful, just dont want to risk it).

So instead of these options, we use natural cleaners along side with ultrasonic cleaning. This allows us to get most of the cutting oils off, but sometimes it doesnt get all of it. Again, we are working even harder to make it the best wire we can.

Just put a post on our site breaking in down further, check it out if you wish: https://www.envycig.com/titanium-wire/

For those who would like to try it out, or give it another whirl: use "spidersilk25" at checkout to get 25% off.

Any questions, email: [email protected]

So basically you're charging roughly 250% more for your cleaning process? Am I missing something?

 

[2c5000]

I've had my device kick out of ti mode 3 or 4 times. Every time was with the ego xl tank with a rebuilt clr head using titanium. I've never had it happen with a ni200 head or setting and it's never happened with a titanium build on my zepyrus, epoch d1 or billow v2. I have a feeling it's because if you have a ti cool at .3-.5 ohm and it gets to hot and it thinks the ohms are 1 ohm and kicks into wattage mode. Any cool that I've had built below .25 has not had the issue.

It can happen even if you have the resistance locked because even with a resistance lock, it sees the jump in ohms as you fire the coil. The resistance lock just tells the device what the resistance is as you begin to fire it. You see this on busardo video when he locks a resistance in and then it sees the resistance as different than the one he locked in. But as soon as he pressed the fire button, it goes back to locked resistance reading.

This would be an easy fix for them. All they need to do is eliminate the auto wattage mode when the coil is over 1ohm. Unfortunately, we don't have ability to update firmware.

this would explain why i have not seen this issue. the coils i have used so far have all been under .25ohms.

 

[EnvyCIG]

So basically you're charging roughly 250% more for your cleaning process? Am I missing something?

Businesses charge what they charge to allow for all the people involved in selling the product to achieve a profit. There are substantial cost is running a business: marketing, production, materials, etc. E-liquid for example: $0.25 for bottle, $0.25 for label and aesthetics, $0.5 for actual liquid, $0.5 misc. So that premium eliquid that you buy (30ml priced at about $20) is well over a 1000% mark-up. BUT then you add rent, electric, machines, employees and the cost goes up. THEN you add development costs, packaging costs, graphic design costs, marketing costs. FINALLY you have sales people who want to make a profit, a distributor who wants to make a profit, then a retailer who wants to make a profit. In the end, the guy making the product is making less than you might think.

If you dont want to make the things you buy from scratch, then there is going to be a mark-up.

 

[2c5000]

Businesses charge what they charge to allow for all the people involved in selling the product to achieve a profit. There are substantial cost is running a business: marketing, production, materials, etc. E-liquid for example: $0.25 for bottle, $0.25 for label and aesthetics, $0.5 for actual liquid, $0.5 misc. So that premium eliquid that you buy (30ml priced at about $20) is well over a 1000% mark-up. BUT then you add rent, electric, machines, employees and the cost goes up. THEN you add development costs, packaging costs, graphic design costs, marketing costs. FINALLY you have sales people who want to make a profit, a distributor who wants to make a profit, then a retailer who wants to make a profit. In the end, the guy making the product is making less than you might think.

If you dont want to make the things you buy from scratch, then there is going to be a mark-up.

i think most people can appreciate that.

can you advise what makes spider silk superior to other grade 1 (95% pure or higher) Ti wire available for considerably less? esp if its not the special cleaning.

thanks!

 

[Dr3d]

Businesses charge what they charge to allow for all the people involved in selling the product to achieve a profit. There are substantial cost is running a business: marketing, production, materials, etc. FINALLY you have sales people who want to make a profit, a distributor who wants to make a profit, then a retailer who wants to make a profit. In the end, the guy making the product is making less than you might think.

If you dont want to make the things you buy from scratch, then there is going to be a mark-up.

Thanks for the marketing lesson ... I think. You are telling this to a guy with a couple of marketing degrees, so I'm short on sympathy. I also happen to be one of your customers.

1. We are as far up the distribution channel as we can get until we locate your supplier and order from them. By buying "direct," we can reasonably expect to eliminate markups we would experience to allow the distributors and retailers to get their pieces of the pie.

2. When I placed my order I was still waiting on my Evic. I found your company, scratched my head and decided you guys were first to market with Ti packaged and processed with vaping as the intended end use. So, I started my order. Got to the checkout and got short on oxygen when I saw that it would cost me $10 in shipping to get 15' of Ti wire. So, I continued my order but left you a nasty comment with my order about my appreciation for being charged such ridiculous shipping. Kudos to whoever filled my order and got my wire shipped. I didn't get an email trying to justify the shipping charge (would not have been received well). Rather, when I received my wire ... I got double what I ordered. This was a good move and this is the first I've mentioned that shipping charge which I hope has been adjusted to be more fair. What I have done is link you guys through Amazon which comes with a much more reasonable shipping charge.

3. I'm confident your volume has exploded since the Evic VT release. Given that the SX330 chip has already been updated for Ti wire and there are more Ti devices just around the corner ... this is a good time for you to adjust for the economies of scale you should now be adjusting for and find a set a market price which advantages improved economies. Juice companies are a dime a dozen 'cause the profits seem like low hanging fruit. Low hanging fruit get's picked over quickly. Now is the time to adjust your prices to reflect the volume you are enjoying to make the market less appealing for the competition that will be racing to get their piece of the profit level your pricing strategy allows. If you actually read this whole thread, you'll see that we've already started to get some of the vendors in the jewelry supply business wise to this opportunity.

4. I understand that you don't want to get involved in the acid etching version of preparation. I'm gonna suggest you get over it and do everything in your power to provide a product which is unmistakably superior. That way, vapers will know you love us and are prepared to absorb the risks so we don't have to.

 

[StanM]

@dred Did tightening your screws down and getting a .19Ω reading eliminate your evic jumping out of TC mode?

 

[Dr3d]

@dred Did tightening your screws down and getting a .19Ω reading eliminate your evic jumping out of TC mode?

I've experienced the jumping out phenomenon several times since then. However, I've slowed the frequency. The issue seems to stem from instabilities in the build. I'm still vaping the same build. It's reading at .21 ohms now, but the last time I picked it up and got thrown into power mode Evic refinement had the build measuring .14 ohms. So, I unlocked the resistance, removed the atty, powered the Evic off, powered up, and set it back up as a new coil. It measured .22 ohms refined to .21 ohms.

Next time I build the billow I'm going to build it lower to ensure more clearance between the coils and the chamber walls. I'm thinking I'm close enough to the walls to have some chance of resistance fluctuation to to the difference in resistance of a coil which feeds through the leg attached to the negative post versus a coil being fed through contact with the chamber wall which is directly connected to the negative path as well. Hopefully that makes sense, but in other language ... I'm saying my problem may come from trying to stuff oversized coils on the build deck. I was doing this 'cause I was targeting a .2 ohm dual spaced coil build. I can get a lot more comfort space by accepting a .15 or so ohm build.

 

[dre]

Well my ipv3li came today I did the 200w upgrade now it has titanium mod! But still only 50j god damn it. So my evic vt still has the lead for size and 10 more watts.. So the ipv3 Li will be at home device only.did a ti build on my Marquis 6/7 dual coil 3mm 24g @.111 ohms its chucking the tits! Can't wait for the velocity I got coming to show up.

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[GEORGE DAVIS]

Businesses charge what they charge to allow for all the people involved in selling the product to achieve a profit. There are substantial cost is running a business: marketing, production, materials, etc. E-liquid for example: $0.25 for bottle, $0.25 for label and aesthetics, $0.5 for actual liquid, $0.5 misc. So that premium eliquid that you buy (30ml priced at about $20) is well over a 1000% mark-up. BUT then you add rent, electric, machines, employees and the cost goes up. THEN you add development costs, packaging costs, graphic design costs, marketing costs. FINALLY you have sales people who want to make a profit, a distributor who wants to make a profit, then a retailer who wants to make a profit. In the end, the guy making the product is making less than you might think.

If you dont want to make the things you buy from scratch, then there is going to be a mark-up.

OK, I guess the other businesses don't have the same over head you do, I guess. I have soapy water and iso alcohol at home. I'd rather do my own wash and get 40 feet for $15 dollars. Thanks for clearing things up.

 

[StanM]

Well my ipv3li came today I did the 200w upgrade now it has titanium mod! But still only 50j god damn it. So my evic vt still has the lead for size and 10 more watts.. So the ipv3 Li will be at home device only.did a ti build on my Marquis 6/7 dual coil 3mm 24g @.111 ohms its chucking the tits! Can't wait for the velocity I got coming to show up.

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Damn, gotta find a good one to replace my sigelei 150.

I've experienced the jumping out phenomenon several times since then. However, I've slowed the frequency. The issue seems to stem from instabilities in the build. I'm still vaping the same build. It's reading at .21 ohms now, but the last time I picked it up and got thrown into power mode Evic refinement had the build measuring .14 ohms. So, I unlocked the resistance, removed the atty, powered the Evic off, powered up, and set it back up as a new coil. It measured .22 ohms refined to .21 ohms.

Next time I build the billow I'm going to build it lower to ensure more clearance between the coils and the chamber walls. I'm thinking I'm close enough to the walls to have some chance of resistance fluctuation to to the difference in resistance of a coil which feeds through the leg attached to the negative post versus a coil being fed through contact with the chamber wall which is directly connected to the negative path as well. Hopefully that makes sense, but in other language ... I'm saying my problem may come from trying to stuff oversized coils on the build deck. I was doing this 'cause I was targeting a .2 ohm dual spaced coil build. I can get a lot more comfort space by accepting a .15 or so ohm build.

I really hope that's the issue.

 

[dre]

Damn, gotta find a good one to replace my sigelei 150.

I really hope that's the issue.

Retire the 150 and grab a ipb3 Li I got mine at originvape.com 99 I believe

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[Dr3d]

Well my ipv3li came today I did the 200w upgrade now it has titanium mod! But still only 50j god damn it. So my evic vt still has the lead for size and 10 more watts.. So the ipv3 Li will be at home device only.did a ti build on my Marquis 6/7 dual coil 3mm 24g @.111 ohms its chucking the tits! Can't wait for the velocity I got coming to show up.

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So ... I gotta ask. Are you making a 1:1 joules to watts comparison? Or, do you experience faster temperature ramp up with the Evic set at 60 watts than you do with the IPV set at 50J? And, since you seem to keep up with things pretty well ... any leads on the sx350j firmware update that'll match what the sx330 just did for your IPV?

 

[dre]

So ... I gotta ask. Are you making a 1:1 joules to watts comparison? Or, do you experience faster temperature ramp up with the Evic set at 60 watts than you do with the IPV set at 50J? And, since you seem to keep up with things pretty well ... any leads on the sx350j firmware update that'll match what the sx330 just did for your IPV?

I honestly don't feel the difference in ramp up or heat. Not sure about the ipv4 update but Denny from pionner said soon maybe a week or too I heard. The sx350j mini has a titanium upgrade already too

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[Dr3d]

The sx350j mini has a titanium upgrade already too.

Outstanding ... I've been trying to root out that piece of information. I knew it had to be on the books, but ... this means it's officially time for me to build myself a sx350j powered monster.

 

[dre]

Outstanding ... I've been trying to root out that piece of information. I knew it had to be on the books, but ... this means it's officially time for me to build myself a sx350j powered monster.

The 150w upgrade v2.2 I thinks called has titanium and I think 60j

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[StanM]

Retire the 150 and grab a ipb3 Li I got mine at originvape.com 99 I believe

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I actually am going to wait a few weeks and see the verdict on it and a few others before jumping in head first

 

[dre]

I actually am going to wait a few weeks and see the verdict on it and a few others before jumping in head first

Well since it has no charge board and just a yihi chip Ill bet my left nut its ass good as the original ipv3 with no charging

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[StanM]

Well since it has no charge board and just a yihi chip Ill bet my left nut its ass good as the original ipv3 with no charging

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That's what I expect. If not, I am sure you will be the first one to let us know

 

[dre]

That's what I expect. If not, I am sure you will be the first one to let us know

And thank you for all the wire I didn't expect so much more then generous. I love it in my Marquis. Seems like a denser vape than ni200

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[Zamazam]

The 150w upgrade v2.2 I thinks called has titanium and I think 60j

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I've got the 120?watt upgrade, it does not have it. Hafta look at the 150 upgrade...