FA Throat Hit?

[MHatt1]

I just recently purchased some FA flavorings, and they're awesome. One thing I noticed though, is the major throat hit I get, that I haven't experienced with a lot of other flavors.

At first I thought it might be the nic I use, but I'm pretty sure that's not it; I use the same nic with my other juices that I'm using with the new ones. Does FA flavorings tend to have a lot of PGA? I was thinking I may not be steeping them long enough, but not sure. I was wanting to know if anyone else is experiencing this.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys, and Happy Holidays!

 

[Huckleberried]

FA flavorings are in a PG base. If they have any in PGA, I don't know what they are. What flavors and at what % ?

 

[Neunerball]

FA flavorings are in a PG base. If they have any in PGA, I don't know what they are. What flavors and at what % ?

+1

 

[Heabob]

Most likely too much flavoring being used...

 

[BigNasty]

less is more.

 

[mjag]

There are a couple of all FA recipes that I can't vape due to harshness or just too dry of a vape that it irritates. There are some mixes that use no FA flavorings that also do the same.

Like others have mentioned it is best to keep FA flavors low due to there concentration level, less is more with FA.

 

[MHatt1]

FA flavorings are in a PG base. If they have any in PGA, I don't know what they are. What flavors and at what % ?

Thank you for the input, guys. I'll take it that others aren't experiencing the same, and that's good news. I'm right there with you, Mjag, I have experienced this on occasion with all brands.

I'm not sure if high % is the problem. Sorry all, I should've noted that I am using all these according to HIC's notes; nothing over 3%, closer to 1% for most, and erring on the side of conservative when in question. The reason I thought PGA may come into the equation, is that some flavorings that are PG based do have alcohol in them, such as citrus. I've noticed these flavorings tend to be a bit harsher for me than others, even at low %s. Not all, but some. PGA is in a lot of brand's Banana too.

I'm looking for the uncommon denominator, as the only thing that has changed in how I've made my juice over the last 2 yrs is the flavoring. All other mechanisms/measuring tools, etc, have remained constant (that I know of). Maybe my nic went bad? Doesn't smell bad with any off flavors, but I won't rule out anything at this point. I bought it sometime ago mid last year, and have kept it in a dark glass container out of the light, and where it's cool.

I know one thing I have NOT been doing, is steeping these as long as I usually do (2-3 weeks, always with the caps on; if I know a flavor has PGA, I'll steep n shake over a 24hr period with the caps off so the alcohol can release, then continue the 2-3 week process). One thing that's hooked me on FA, is that many of these need little to no steep time to taste good. Maybe my throat has healed so much after 2 yrs of not smoking (smoked for 30) it's gotten sensitive. I have noticed I've been coughing a bit more lately as well no matter what I vape.

Flavors I've used so far:

Honey
Joy
Bilberry
Black Cherry
Cantaloupe
Maple Syrup
Catalan Cream
Apple Pie
Fuji
Vienna Cream
Banana
Tiramisu
Cookie

Thanks again!

 

[mjag]

Maybe your on to something MHatt1, for some reason I can't vape most all FA mixes for long. None of the all FA mixes have turned into ADV mixes for me, maybe there is something I am sensitive to that is an additive in some FA flavors. I have noticed a few people mention this as far as dry mixes that eventual irritate the throat. There are few FA mixes were I have later substituted some flavors with different flavor makers and the dryness has gone away, I wish I would have kept notes to mention which they were.

It could be that some FA flavors have additives which are irritants to some and not to others. Not sure what those would be but this is not the first time I have heard others having the same throat irritation that I have experienced. I have a friend of mine who experienced the same thing but others who feel it is fine with the same mix. He said it was good but it was the only mix I made for him that he needed to have a bottle of water handy and it would make him cough.

 

[kimber]

Every single one of my all-FA mixes makes me cough. None of my CAPS or TFA mixes do that. So now I mix them in with other stuff. Haven't quite figured out how to remedy the "dry" effect they seem to have.


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[mjag]

Every single one of my all-FA mixes makes me cough. None of my CAPS or TFA mixes do that. So now I mix them in with other stuff. Haven't quite figured out how to remedy the "dry" effect they seem to have.


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We seem to be in the minority regarding FA and the dry mix problem with throat irritation. That is why I figure we must be more sensitive to whatever is in some FA flavors than the majority. It really sucks as there are a lot of FA flavors I really like but am hesitant to use too much FA in a mix, a small amount here and there seems to be fine though with other mfg flavors. I really thought I must be doing something wrong in regards to the FA mixes I was trying as everyone else seemed to love them. The dryness and irritation had me switching to other mixes halfway through a tank and steeping didn't help.

There is one all CAP mix I love that recently makes me cough a little, not the dryness problem but a little irritating. It might be that it is a large 60ml bottle I made with 3mg nic more than a month ago and am now down to 1.5mg nic. I remember it not being harsh at all 2 weeks after mixing it but now it is a little harsh after about 6 weeks of steeping. I will have to try that recipe again at a lower mg nic as I might just put the remaining 15ml down the drain if the coughing persists.

 

[Kingboomer]

When I first started using FA I did notice this. What worked for me was upping the VG% some, and lowering my nic%. That's what did it for me anyway.


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[mjag]

If I remember correctly HIC mixes max VG so maybe that's the trick. I mix to 70% VG on most mixes or higher but try to not go over 80 VG so that it wicks well in all of my sub-ohm tanks.

I just found a bottle of all FA that I mixed 3 months ago and it is 70VG with 0 nic which I was doing when first trying a recipe out. I love the flavor but it is a little on the dry side, that is why I still have about half of a 15ml bottle left. I will have to try it out again to see if it changed at all after 3 months of steeping, gonna give it a good shake right now.

 

[mjag]

mmmmmmm, just gave that FA mix a smell, it is a chocolate chip cookie recipe someone posted on here. Smells sooooooooooo good I am crossing my fingers it is silky smooth when I vape it later today.

 

[zaroba]

can you narrow it down to a specific flavor or flavors that might be causing it?

I mean, flavorss like black cherry can have a 'cough syrup' effect on the throat.
Bilberry is somewhat citrusy, which can give throat hit.

Could try getting some fa whipped cream and/or fa marshmallow to add to mixes and see if that improves them.

 

[MHatt1]

Ok, one thing I didn't consider and just noticed after my latest post last night....

I usually make 30ml bottles at a time, being that I have gotten used to the flavors I had before I started on the FA. I noticed when I add my Nic, a lot of it coats the needle that I dispense it with, giving me a few extra big drops that might otherwise go unnoticeable. Just doing like I've always done it, no biggie, until now. But my guess is even that little extra nic in a 30ml bottle (to 6%) is trivial, but may not be in the 5 or 10ml sample bottles I'm mixing to test these new flavors. So I did some Bilberry at 5% to be safe and it was much better, taking the TH down a notch or two.

So, note to self: take my measurements a bit more s l o w l y on the samples... especially with the nic

I also have a few 30ml bottles cooking in the ultrasonic at 6mg. I'll share the recipes if they turn out like I hope. I'll run them through the usual steeping process and see if there's a difference there too.

As far as the dryness, that is still there so I think I'm in your boat, MJag. Kind of a bummer, because these FA flavors are SO on point.

I think I'll copy Kimber and do it like she does, working in FA to my liking. CAP is another favorite of mine I can work in easily, and many of their fruits are spot on. I might also do a Kingboomer and bump up the the VG from 60% to 75% or 80%. I guess I might have to use an extra .5% flavoring here or there to make up for the lack of PG to carry the flavor I'm used to (King - was this your experience when you upped your VG?), but at least the dryness will go down I hope.

Zaroba - I've got that with every flavor I've tried so far. The Bilberry has went over the best, and I have some samples of Cantaloupe and Black Cherry cooking now at 5% nic.

Great ideas, guys! I'm stealing all of them