First batch of diy. Questions

[Debbiej]

it maybe too early to tell. Made a few things on 1/4/16. Been 4 days. Ive shaken, sat them in hot water for hours and shook some more. Flavors still taste muted. They are vape-able, just not great, actually like puffing pure VG. I've made a couple stand alones
Vanilla 5% (FA)
Butterscotch 3% (FA)
Then I ventured to try a breakfast at teleos recipe I got on here.
My nic 100/120 VG at 3
I ordered no PG. was thinking the flavorings have a PG base and I like a max VG anyway.
Is this normal?
Afraid to add more flavor, hate a perfumery taste. Do I just need more patience? Shell out another 22 bucks till it steeps?
Is there a simple, I mean simple recipe, that is fail proof?
I look at some of these recipes with 5 or more ingredients and feel over my head. I made another order last night to get more flavors.
Another question------- I've seen list of flavors that pair together. Great list, but seems they have a fruit plus another. Seems the fruit would be considered a base and the other an enhancer. What if you just like the enhancers?
Is there a place that has top rated juice recipes? One that have like 5 stars and 500 reviews and doesn't include strawberry?
I think my nicotine stinks, literally. Is that normal too?

 

[steamer861]

PG carries the flavour well max VG mite require more flavouring? Try a small batch 10 mills start with a small percentage of flavouring and add a bit more in small increments till you get the desired taste
Here are 2 good sites I use for calculations and recipes
http://ecigvape.com/pvn_calculator.php http://www.kritikalmass.net/index.asp
My nic has a slight smell to it I wouldn't call it a stink but you can smell it

 

[Neunerball]

Here are some two flavor recipes http://vapingunderground.com/threads/decent-2-part-mixes.141801/
Another e-juice calculator that also has public recipes http://e-liquid-recipes.com/list?q=&exclsingle=0&sort=score&direction=desc

 

[Heabob]

FA Vanilla & Butterscotch are not the tastiest of the brands available, but safer anyway if that's a concern.

For a Vanilla you can actually taste, try DIYFS French Vanilla & Holy Vanilla.
And another Butterscotch like FW/TFA, but you need to get up around 10% to taste it IMO.
And yes they've got the baddies FYI.
Trying them as 50/50 should improve the taste too, as some have difficulty tasting the flavors in pure VG IMO.

 

[SailCat]

I think you'll find that high VG e-liquids will require a longer steep. Patience is tough (I have little) but it's rewarded. As a max VG vaper, I should know better, but I'm almost out of a Caps VC recipe and it is just now coming into it's own. Gotta make more and a bigger bottle will help to thwart my impatient nature.

 

[BigNasty]

Try adding .5 ml of distilled water to thin them a hair and re heat bath them.

 

[freemind]

Some have no issues with flavor at max VG.

Personally I like to use a max of 80% VG because it seems flavor get muted above that. My percentage of flavor is usually under 10 %, so I end up adding a little PG to each mix.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Being someone who uses vg nic and no pg other than flavoring (for myself) I'll say you can definitely go that route. Simple recipe w/o Strawberry? 3% FA White Peach 1.5% FA Apricot. No aging required. Not the strongest flavor wise but if you can't taste it, you definitely have an issue with an ingredient. Start by mixing without the nicotine to see if that helps.

Edit: Nicotine shouldn't stink. Where's it from?

 

[skiball]

I vape 70% vg and with fa i like it around 6-7% but if i did max vg i'd prob go to 8-9%

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[Debbiej]

Alright I'll start adding a little more on percentages of flavor.
My nicotine is from vapestek. Not sure about spelling. I got the advice on here. I'm sure it is fine. My sense of smell has improved since I quit smoking. Like 100%. Unreal, sometimes a good thing sometimes a bad thing.
Hard to tell if it's the non flavor or just needing to steep. Flavors come out the longer you wait.......right? Or should I know right at first. Then gets better with age?

 

[skiball]

Some flavs get stronger but usually you'll have a good idea right after you mix it and vt is A+

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[Teresa P]

Are you shaking all your fluids before you use them, even the nic?

 

[Mattp169]

ok everyone is giving you some great info

let me add my 2 cents

1. you just quit smoking - your taste buds are off so flavors may be weak. store juice is usually OVER FLAVORED
2. vanilla and butterscotch do get stronger after a few days
3. start with whatever you got, put it in your tank. vape it..can you taste it great
OTHERWISE
take you Flavoring and add a drop or 2
this will add about 1% flavoring to your juice in most tanks
shake it up and vape

repeat till your happy

or find you just dont like the flavor.

this is how i find how much i need of a flavor
start low put it in the tank
and add drops till im happy - take notes fix it on next batch

for great tested recipes that many here love
hicsmixes.com

not free but everyone loves them
while there download his note son fa flavors

your tastes change overtime afte ryou quit smoking - you may need more flavoring now then less later on. Its the joy of DIY

i love FA white peach - I us eit at 3% many here use much less, theres one person who if its over .03% he cant stand it....so everyone is different.

dont worry if you feel you need more of a flavor then other people do or less then others...its your taste buds that matter

 

[Chrispdx]

I must say I haven't had the best luck with butterscotch. I could never find the right percentage to give me a yummy flavor.

I find that classic vanilla FA and butterscotch FA are great flavor add'ons. Like add a touch here and there. Like 2% vanilla FA, 1.35% ry4 FA 1.75 caramel FA is my fav tobacco recipie....steeped for 5days.

 

[downInTn]

A lot of people have a hard time with butterscotch myself included. Like Chrispdx said, those flavors need more of a base flavor to go with them. Add you some cookie, coffee, or tobacco then you got yourself a vape.

Make sure you shake up your nic real good when you first get it and after removing from the freezer.

If your not adding any PG I would recommend adding 5-10% distilled water.

 

[steamer861]

My Butterscotch found a home right here
Vanilla Custard 12 %
Butterscotch 6 %
whipped Cream 2 %
BTW I usually find these recipes on line and don't know who to credit

 

[Debbiej]

I noticed I got a LOT of enhancers and not much BASE flavors. I'm a sugar freak. definelty try the recipe from Steamer861.
Another question
When a recipe calls for sweetener, what do you use?

 

[steamer861]

I noticed I got a LOT of enhancers and not much BASE flavors. I'm a sugar freak. definelty try the recipe from Steamer861.
Another question
When a recipe calls for sweetener, what do you use?

Basically Sweetener is suclarose I stay away from it. I find it don't really make too much difference any way

 

[freemind]

I noticed I got a LOT of enhancers and not much BASE flavors. I'm a sugar freak. definelty try the recipe from Steamer861.
Another question
When a recipe calls for sweetener, what do you use?

Depends.

Super sweet, cotton candy, marshmallow, brown sugar....

 

[Chrispdx]

I noticed I got a LOT of enhancers and not much BASE flavors. I'm a sugar freak. definelty try the recipe from Steamer861.
Another question
When a recipe calls for sweetener, what do you use?

Typically marshmallow, brown sugar, vanilla, honey/amber FA...or an additional flavor...

Additional flavor like adding orange cream tpa to Orange FA does the trick.

I typicall avoid sweetness since they gunk up the coils pretty fast and cotton candy because a lot of folks report that it can mute flavors.

 

[Debbiej]

I read somewhere that Splendia is used. I can't find where I read it. Have y'all ever heard of it?

 

[Chrispdx]

I read somewhere that Splendia is used. I can't find where I read it. Have y'all ever heard of it?

I think someone will correct me if I am wrong Splenda=surclose, but don't use from the yellow packets.

 

[kimber]

I use cotton candy and marshmallow for sweet. I also use WAY more flavoring than a lot (ok most) people use,,, I just don't taste anything much under 20%. I have found very few flavorings I taste at all under 10%,, that's just me. My one piece of advice,, start with simple two or three ingredient recipes until you get the hang of it. Start mixing up recipes with 8 or 10 ingredients at teeny-tiny percents and it gets real frustrating real fast. The DIY section here is a great resource for all kinds of tips and tricks too.


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[Nerd.Rope]

This post, made me sign up, Ha! I'm in a similar boat but further out at sea...

Friend of mine brews a wicked caramel, and uses nillia n butterscotch as enhancers. The irony here for me is that some flavors you'd think are the hit are really a miss. Love pears n peaches as a mix, go to mix up some pear thinking its similar to peach or dragon fruit, two days later my sweet tea tasted like tea again.

To take this a different direction if I may, what builds do y'all use for taste testing? I read about tanks allot, I build mostly flavor builds some of my builds bring out various flavors as well. Not looking to get over the top here just curious.

Lastly, my nic juice stinks too. I've been using 32mg and feel that I use it more than my flavoring. If I up the nic level in my base juice will that affect the flavoring as well?

 

[steamer861]

I have 2 years of DIY'ing under my belt now You can make your own Sweetener with splenda, Heat distilled water and mix in a few packets Shack/ stir well and it's as good as most store bought sweeteners. Like I mentioned before it don't add much to your mix but gunks up coils. IMO stay away, use Cotton Candy or Brown Sugar to add sweetness. Don't expect to find your ADV first try, it could take a bit of time to find some recipes you like a lot.
Mind you measurements try to be as accurate as posable, So when you find some thing you like It can be duplicated
Make small (10mil) batches and try them, in the testing stages I use a dripper.
Easy to switch out wicks, rinse off & start over. Let them sit for a few days try them again.
It's a lot like cooking best results come from trial and error be patient it takes time.
I cruse the recipe site and look for good feedbacks if 20 people say they like it, good chance there is some thing there
Eventually you will have more good recipes than you know what to do with

 

[SailCat]

With all due respect, the reason we do not use splenda packets is that they contain fillers that the pure, liquid Sucralose does not. Boiling the packet contents in water will not remove these and your coils will gunk.

If you must use sweeteners, buy the proper ingredients or read the advice of experienced mixers on sweetening e-liquids. Often. combining flavors will sufficiently sweeten without additional sweeteners.

 

[Neunerball]

Most of the time, I'm utilizing FA Marshmallow as sweetener. Otherwise either Sucralose, or Ethyl Maltol.

 

[skiball]

Some times i boil splenda packets in coffee and add that to my vape. With just a touch of creamer dont want to gunk up those coils. Lmao

 

[steamer861]

With all due respect, the reason we do not use splenda packets is that they contain fillers that the pure, liquid Sucralose does not. Boiling the packet contents in water will not remove these and your coils will gunk.

If you must use sweeteners, buy the proper ingredients or read the advice of experienced mixers on sweetening e-liquids. Often. combining flavors will sufficiently sweeten without additional sweeteners.

I had some sweetener from TPA, after a while the darn stuff started to separate into liquid and little white flakes! I had to shake it to keep it mixed Needles to say it went in the garbage
Cant see splenda being any worse than that. Like I keep saying I don't use sweetener and I would advise everyone Not to

 

[SailCat]

I had some sweetener from TPA, after a while the darn stuff started to separate into liquid and little white flakes! I had to shake it to keep it mixed Needles to say it went in the garbage
Cant see splenda being any worse than that. Like I keep saying I don't use sweetener and I would advise everyone Not to

That's likely EM. The same thing happens with the super-saturated version I make for myself. Warm it a ltte in hot water and it'll go clear when you shake it. Hell, I;ve had crystals in my tank from that stuff. It's great fun, though, isn't it!

 

[Heabob]

I'd rather use a Liquid Stevia extract (25% dilution in 75% PG or VG), as Splenda is actually sugar with 1 molecule removed, GMO anybody.
Only takes 1-3 drops of the dilution to get lots of sweetness.
But I prefer to use the sweeter flavors to help with that, or use .5-1% EM.

 

[caddisfly]

TFA RY4 Double 8%
Acetyl Pyrazine 1 drop per 5ml of finished juice.

After a month of getting nowhere, I stumbled on this recipe. It convinced me that I could really do this diy thing and enjoy the results.

 

[steamer861]

This is my R4Y I love this one Again found on line
R4Y 12.5 %
Graham Cracker 2.5 %
Pyrazine 2 %
ethyl maltol 3 %
All TPA

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Alright I'll start adding a little more on percentages of flavor.
My nicotine is from vapestek. Not sure about spelling. I got the advice on here. I'm sure it is fine. My sense of smell has improved since I quit smoking. Like 100%. Unreal, sometimes a good thing sometimes a bad thing.
Hard to tell if it's the non flavor or just needing to steep. Flavors come out the longer you wait.......right? Or should I know right at first. Then gets better with age?

Is it vg based.?Kevin from VT has said his VG based nic can have a smell due to water added during the mixing/cutting process. But it shouldn't 'stink'