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Full Mech Switches: Cherry Bomber vs. Dimitri

TheWestPole

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I recently found myself choosing between these two mechanical box mods. From the point of view of function, the contrast came down to switch design. Cherry Bomber uses a switch design very common in full mech boxes. If the tolerances are tight this switch can work quite well. But it has two weaknesses.

First, like switches in mech tube mods, it must carry current through the switch mechanism from a moving part to a fixed part. Some current passes through the spring itself, some where the moving pin contacts the hole it slides through. Neither are ideal ways of making electrical contact. We've all had the experience of having to wiggle a depressed tube mech button to get it to hit hard. That's why.

Second, the contact between the moving end of the switch and the 510 connector is a flat surface meeting a cylindrical surface. That makes the contact area very small. This is shy one often has to press very hard on the button to get full current.

Good tolerances and good springs can make this type of switch work very well, as many Cherry Bomber users will tell you. You can't count on that with inexpensive clones however. I have had two full mech boxes with this type of switch which I ended up replacing with wires and wired switches to get them to work well.

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The main reason I ended up choosing the Dimitri was its superb switch design. No current at all passes through the switch mechanism. First weakness eliminated. And the contact point is two flat surfaces, thus passing current over a greater area. Second weakness eliminated. If it's not hitting quite right, just touch up those surfaces with some fine sandpaper.

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BTW, the "full mech" designation has always seemed bogus to me. All that really matters is that the electrical current is not impeded in any way, either by the switch itself or the components connecting the switch to the battery. Massive high condutivity materials, to the point of ridiculous over engineering, and the absence of wires are the bragging points of the full mech. The contact points by contrast often remain neglected and under designed. Props go to the savvy designer of the original Dimitri for focusing on the electrical path and contact points.

I almost feel guilty for buying the clone.
 
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GrayVaper

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I see what you are saying and that is a very sweet mod! :cool::)
I just received an MCV authentic Copper Cherry Bomber today. I enjoyed it for a bit using a Mutation X V3.
Now I have torn it down for cleaning and polishing and to upgrade to Panzer magnets. The copper disc you mentioned for the switch contact is now flat on one edge to increase the surface contact.
See thick ring in center of field
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So hopefully it is a noticable improvement.
 

TheWestPole

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I see what you are saying and that is a very sweet mod! :cool::)
I just received an MCV authentic Copper Cherry Bomber today. I enjoyed it for a bit using a Mutation X V3.
Now I have torn it down for cleaning and polishing and to upgrade to Panzer magnets. The copper disc you mentioned for the switch contact is now flat on one edge to increase the surface contact.
See thick ring in center of field
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So hopefully it is a noticable improvement.

Sounds and looks promising. If the slip fit between the switch shaft and the bushing it goes through is loose you may have inconsistent firing with the magnets. I wouldn't commit to them until you test out how well the switch works with them. If you have problems, you can always go back to the spring and improve the electrical connection by sanding flats on both spring ends. This will improve electrical performance with spring switches every time.

Good luck. And don't drop it on your foot. :eek: That copper model is probably the heaviest mod out there. :D
 
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TheWestPole

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My Dimitri here is not quite finished.

I did tune the switch a bit, shortening the throw to ~.5mm, chamfering the button edge, and polishing the whole thing. Butter, totally consistent, and hits harder than any mech I have ever had.

Haven't decided on the finish yet, but I'm done with the rough work on the edges and corners. Feels much better in the hand now, even with the surfaces still rough. Whether it will be brush or polished I'm still not sure.

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GrayVaper

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Thanks for the. Advice, I will certainly. Keep it in mind. That Dimitri is looking amazing! I love the attention to detail.
Keep us posted on the progress. As for my new CCB , I'm polishing my case with Brasso and have tried several cloths such as socks. But I am getting faint swirl marks. I may run this one over a 10" buffing wheel in my garage tomorrow. Any suggestions?
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Discobob

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Just got the bomber myself and I can tell you unless your going to polish it and clear coat it the polish will go away, if you want to save your elbow grease just Vape it and enjoy the patina that comes with it:)


Edit, just an FYI on the smoothed out switch that the button hits make sure it is tight as can be, I got it what I thought was tight and I went to take my rda off and it turned the the entire assembly which will make contact and fire it from the turning, it was actually quite scary in my hands...so If I take my rda off I make sure the battery is out from now on just incase. If any of that makes sense:)
 
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GrayVaper

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Actually I enjoy the appearance of a copper patina, so, yes I agree that it's not worth regular tear downs and polishing. I just want the clean up polishing to be consistant. I used a fork tongued auto upholstery tool to unscrew the brass 510 connector. The tool allowed me to grip two grooves on the same axis and I hope the reverse will make tighting the connector a breeze. I will heed your advice and keep an eye on it. Thanks! :D
 
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Discobob

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When I got it last week I was so excited to get it polished up I started polishing it and I just decided to test how fast it would change, so I polished one side and man in 1 day it was gone. I think oils from my hands just makes it impossible to keep shiny..its almost a pinkish/brown orange now and man talk about more character:). Funny thing was telling my lady how much it ran me, she asked and I said it was a hundred plus a hundred plus a hundred plus twenty five...........plus twenty five....I just thought it sounded better:) She was still pissed.

When you get a chance can you post a pic of this tool your using? I have found this to be a pain to find something that works which is why I think I cannot get it tight. Seems I just cant get the flat part of the switch to match up when really trying to tighten it. I went to tool king to see if they had some sort of stubby driver that would be wide enough to hit both sides. Ends up what is wide enough is to thick and what is thick enough is too short to grab both sides of the connector.. thanks in advance.
 

TheWestPole

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Thanks for the. Advice, I will certainly. Keep it in mind. That Dimitri is looking amazing! I love the attention to detail.
Keep us posted on the progress. As for my new CCB , I'm polishing my case with Brasso and have tried several cloths such as socks. But I am getting faint swirl marks. I may run this one over a 10" buffing wheel in my garage tomorrow. Any suggestions?
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That's a beauty. I dunno, if you polish won't you always be conscious of every fingerprint, smudge, imperfection? Personally I can't live that way. My favorite finish for copper (mods and drip tips) is with a medium finishing pad. Love finishing pads. Cleans it up, brings out the color and leaves a soft non-reflective luster. The surface ends up like a fine OD grind on a tube mod.


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GrayVaper

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I used to collect coins as a kid so I developed an affinity for copper patina. I put a good hand polishing on the case and reassembled her. Looking forward to letting her develop character through oxidation. I am just now finding time to enjoy a good vape on this beauty. What an alluring mech mod! She's heavy as a brink and feels almost classic with the WWII era nose art and she hits hard as nails. I'm running my Mutation X and it's throwing some rich flavor. The magnetic switch seems to work just fine. I'm not a mod snob, I own a few clones. A lot of guys would think buying an authentic mod to be crazy, but sometimes it's the only thing that feels right.

Westpole, that Dimitri is fantastic and please keep me up to date on your progress. Creativity never sleeps.

 

GrayVaper

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When I got it last week I was so excited to get it polished up I started polishing it and I just decided to test how fast it would change, so I polished one side and man in 1 day it was gone. I think oils from my hands just makes it impossible to keep shiny..its almost a pinkish/brown orange now and man talk about more character:). Funny thing was telling my lady how much it ran me, she asked and I said it was a hundred plus a hundred plus a hundred plus twenty five...........plus twenty five....I just thought it sounded better:) She was still pissed.

When you get a chance can you post a pic of this tool your using? I have found this to be a pain to find something that works which is why I think I cannot get it tight. Seems I just cant get the flat part of the switch to match up when really trying to tighten it. I went to tool king to see if they had some sort of stubby driver that would be wide enough to hit both sides. Ends up what is wide enough is to thick and what is thick enough is too short to grab both sides of the connector.. thanks in advance.

Here's the tool. I bought a set of five at Harbour Freight. I bought them to pop plastic tabs on some car trunk upholstery and Like most of the tools that my wife labels as toys, they come in handy for the most unimaginable applications.

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