Good guy with a gun...

[SgtRock]

Stops bad guy with a gun.

Another nightclub shooting...with a different ending.

In this case a citizen with a concealed carry license took down the perp with one shot stopping the rampage within seconds of it's start.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/30/c...-nightclub-shooting-and-the-media-ignored-it/

 

[MCYL]

Happens in Israel at times daily. All those stabbing murders were never intended to stop at one. Israeli rounds put an end to the rampage.


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[SgtRock]

Yepper...the only mistake made in this particular incident is that the perp didn't exit the premises feet first in a body bag.

A little more time at the practice range might be suggested

 

[MCYL]

I think it's a case of cartridge power over capability. When stateside I spend a bit of time on range. I'm stupefied at the amount of .45acp and .357mag in the hands of people who really needs more time or a lesser caliber. This is just my opinion but a 22LR with the correct bullet can do a HEAP of damage and allows rapid reengagement. Cheap to train with and when the day comes 10 rapid little hollow points in a 10" circle is much better than big round flying all over the place.


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[MCYL]

Funny thing is that as an outsider (Aussie) I do believe in your 2nd amendment and also gun control. It's just that I feel so many ATF restrictions is poorly thought out. E.g a 10rds AR15 v 30rds and a semi auto v automatic. To a shooter with intent it really makes zero difference. A competent shooter with lethal intent will reload at a pause before moving regardless of capacity and double tap regardless of what sear is installed. What are your thoughts on the Obama styled measured like background checks?


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[Rossum]

What are your thoughts on the Obama styled measured like background checks?

What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

 

[SgtRock]

"Background checks" however well intentioned don't stop bad guys. They will however stop a 65 year old man or woman who made a few misdemeanor mistakes as a youth from being able to legally buy a firearm to defend his family.

So...let me ask you--do they make sense (let alone pass constitutional muster)?

 

[SgtRock]

By the way..you mentioned two of the only caliber handguns I would suggest to someone who is willing to spend some range time to become intimately familiar with their sidearm.. .45 acp and .357 mag. In a relatively short period of time one can become quite proficient with either of them and both will stop any human on the planet--even one jacked up on drugs.

Anything less IMO is dumb.

 

[MCYL]

On gun control, you're right and I can't think of a decent solution especially in light of recent events, it wouldn't have prevented it. I guess if there was a logical effective way to deal with the problem both sides of congress would support it.

On the subject of calibers, the only one I'm imitate with is 9mm and ball rounds at that. I found the .45 acp great fun to shoot if not as rapidly as 9mm. The thing is the abominations I've seen people firing even 9mms...a larger round would have them drilling holes in the ceiling.
.357s...well...I've never been comfortable with revolvers.


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[SgtRock]

In a past life I spent many days shooting wheelguns. My favorite were a pair of six inch stainless .357s (one S&W 686 and one Ruger GP-100). Handloading 158 grain JHP rounds at full factory pressure brought the price down to $7 per hundred rounds so shooting was cheap. After several thousand rounds per pistol a guy can get pretty damn proficient if you know what I mean. Any target from zero to one hundred yards was eazy-peazy.

 

[MCYL]

Had a go with many but
Browning hp and P226 is the only two I can say I'm instinctive with


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[SgtRock]

Whatever works for you is the best gun for you.

I always recommend to anyone who asks that they first pick what they think they will like and learn it inside and out..and put at least 500 rounds through it before adding anything new to their inventory.

Some folks just buy them and expect to be ready for whatever comes. Until you reach that 500 round region you really don't know your weapon IMO. After a case or two of ammo you really have a comfort level with a firearm that only comes from that experience and can't be gained any other way.

 

[DURASPANK]

Yepper...the only mistake made in this particular incident is that the perp didn't exit the premises feet first in a body bag.

A little more time at the practice range might be suggested

Man had to shoot low because of what was behind his target. Any more rounds after threat was down. He would have been in trouble.

 

[NGAHaze]

Whatever works for you is the best gun for you.

I always recommend to anyone who asks that they first pick what they think they will like and learn it inside and out..and put at least 500 rounds through it before adding anything new to their inventory.

Some folks just buy them and expect to be ready for whatever comes. Until you reach that 500 round region you really don't know your weapon IMO. After a case or two of ammo you really have a comfort level with a firearm that only comes from that experience and can't be gained any other way.

I know quite a few that have bought guns for home protection but haven't done anything other than load them ... I worry about them and what might happen should they ever have a situation that calls for them to actually use them.

 

[SgtRock]

There is no substitute for actually busting caps...and besides that...it's fun

 

[freemind]

I guess if there was a logical effective way to deal with the problem both sides of congress would support it.

You would be wrong. Congress doesn't want to solve anything. Only create more problems so they can write laws for "solutions" to the problems they create, and push agendas.

Our constitution already was the solution to the problems of shootings and murders. An armed citizenry. It should be painfully obvious to anyone with a small amount of brain capacity, that "safe zones" are the opposite of their name sakes.

An armed society is a polite society.

The difference between a citizen and a subject, is the citizen is armed and can defend himself and his family. A subject is just a plebe with no freedom.

 

[MCYL]

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