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Sure so do animals kill other animals .hate them too Cromwell? Are they-uselessI as humans ? So a couple of assholes that are racist you judge all of humanity on?
Your sad buddy . Your very sad


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Sure so do animals kill other animals .hate them too Cromwell? Are they-uselessI as humans ? So a couple of assholes that are racist you judge all of humanity on?
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Umm supposedly we are far more advanced than the animals, but I guess not in many cases.
Umm we pretty much spend as much on warfare as we do on all our social (helping fellow humans) spending combined.
Do animals kill each other for worshipping different gods?

Humans are an infestation on this planet.

Humans as a species sucks.
There are a few good people though.
 

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Umm supposedly we are far more advanced than the animals, but I guess not in many cases.
Umm we pretty much spend as much on warfare as we do on all our social (helping fellow humans) combined.
do animals kill each other for worshipping different gods?

Maybe ?they don't talk so it could be . The point is you judge the whole based on the few . Sure their are idiots in life this is nothing new . So mother Teresa worthless meat bag ? I guess by you yes, just as guilty as Hitler . Which also includes you if you are human ,you should be ashamed to be one of us . And why would we protect ourselves from others that wish to hurt or control us ! We should be one big happy earth family according to you ! What a wonderful thought !Cromwell you are special !!


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Maybe ?they don't talk so it could be . The point is you judge the whole based on the few . Sure their are idiots in life this is nothing new . So mother Teresa worthless meat bag ? I guess by you yes, just as guilty as Hitler . Which also includes you if you are human ,you should be ashamed to be one of us . And why would we protect ourselves from others that wish to hurt or control us ! We should be one big happy earth family according to you ! What a wonderful thought !Cromwell you are special !!


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Umm supposedly we are far more advanced than the animals, but I guess not in many cases.
Umm we pretty much spend as much on warfare as we do on all our social (helping fellow humans) spending combined.
Do animals kill each other for worshipping different gods?

Humans are an infestation on this planet.

Humans as a species sucks.
There are a few good people though.

Humans are a infestation? Do you ever listen to yourself ? Your a fucked up cat !

Holy shit you the head of the fucking aliens you outer space fucking douche ! You have exposed yourself as the lizard king ! I knew you were too stupid to be human ! !!!!


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Sure so do animals kill other animals .hate them too Cromwell? Are they-uselessI as humans ? So a couple of assholes that are racist you judge all of humanity on?
Your sad buddy . Your very sad


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Animal kill just enough to survive, they don't have species on species holocausts.

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I have never understood the comparison of humans to animals as a measure of acceptable behavior.

We are supposed to be the smarter more adaptable species. I mean, why go to church if animals don't? Why take care of your young if many animals don't? I find it ludicrous to say it's ok to do something simply because animals do or don't.

On the other hand, my dogs are far more willing to lick strangers. Should we lick more strangers too?

The bottom line is we are a different species with a far more advanced level of thinking. We know better far more often than animals do. Animals are more instinctual but we are more intellectual. Well, some of us are.
 

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I have never understood the comparison of humans to animals as a measure of acceptable behavior.

We are supposed to be the smarter more adaptable species. I mean, why go to church if animals don't? Why take care of your young if many animals don't? I find it ludicrous to say it's ok to do something simply because animals do or don't.

On the other hand, my dogs are far more willing to lick strangers. Should we lick more strangers too?

The bottom line is we are a different species with a far more advanced level of thinking. We know better far more often than animals do. Animals are more instinctual but we are more intellectual. Well, some of us are.

The comparison to animals was not to justify humans killing humans . But like animals we are born with a nature that nature is survival yes we are a more advanced animal but we still have basic instincts. I have a cat that kills anything that walks in my yard not for food but for the fact it's his space . It's a instinct in his DNA . He's just doing what he does . Man has been at war since the beginning of man we have just perfected it . Is it our fault we were born with the instinct? Yes we can control it but some don't , that's why we have prisons, and why we have had wars . The point being Cromwell judges everyone by the acts of a few making him a basic racist.


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I actually live in the middle of farm country. I've never seen a pack of lions plot to systemically remove an entire species. I've seen plenty of dumb dogs and cats kill things for sport.
 

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I actually live in the middle of farm country. I've never seen a pack of lions plot to systemically remove an entire species. I've seen plenty of dumb dogs and cats kill things for sport.
Yep same as some people do.
Not a whole lot better than the animals.
 

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I actually live in the middle of farm country. I've never seen a pack of lions plot to systemically remove an entire species. I've seen plenty of dumb dogs and cats kill things for sport.

What you have here, is a problem of scale. Lion packs(prides) are rather small(and they don't have much in the way of technology, lol). Aside from that, a male lion that takes over a pack will kill every lion cub in that pack and run off or kill every male. Now, scale that up and add Technology. You'll certainly see a pack of lions plot to remove an entire species if they had the capacity to do so. All for some nookie, a common reason for violence and murder in humans.

While it gives some a sense of security to believe we are far removed from animals, the facts remain. Those facts are what we call crimes. Theft, rape, murder and etc. and it's actually a large reason we have governments which, to date, have not solved those issues but to the contrary they simply scale up to entire countries committing theft, rape, murder and etc. on a much larger scale(on other countries or the populace of their own).

Those that deny nature in humans will forever be disappointed to find that nature still exists in humans. And those that beleive governments can suppress nature in humans will be ever more disappointed to find that the violence simply scales up.
 
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While it gives some a sense of security to believe we are far removed from animals, the facts remain. Those facts are what we call crimes. Theft, rape, murder and etc. and it's actually a large reason we have governments which, to date, have not solved those issues but to the contrary they simply scale up to entire countries committing theft, rape, murder and etc. on a much larger scale(on other countries or the populace of their own).
Yep depending on the dominating religious beliefs, etc and who is in charge.
 

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What you have here, is a problem of scale. Lion packs are rather small(and they don't have much in the way of technology, lol). Aside from that, a male lion that takes over a pack will kill every lion cub in that pack and run off or kill every male. Now, scale that up and add Technology. All for some nookie, a common reason for violence and murder in humans.

While it gives some a sense of security to believe we are far removed from animals, the facts remain. Those facts are what we call crimes. Theft, rape, murder and etc. and it's actually a large reason we have governments which, to date, have not solved those issues but to the contrary they simply scale up to entire countries committing theft, rape, murder and etc. on a much larger scale(on other countries or the populace of their own).

Those that deny nature in humans will forever be disappointed to find that nature still exists in humans. And those that beleive governments can suppress nature in humans will be ever more disappointed to find that the violence simply scales up.

You said what I wanted to say . But I'm too dumb to put it the way you did .


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I take you also dislike organized religion?


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For the most part yes. It is largely a tool to mislead people. And to get their money.

However with that said REAL Christians are fine folks.
Very rare but fine folks.

I am pretty sure that other religions have SOME fine people in them, just not familiar with the people or the religions enough to say though.

A good person needs no religion to pressure or scare them into being good.
Good people is where other good people come from.
 

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Trumps troops in the senate do not have enough balls to bring their HC bill to a vote....
The logic is not to run in the race if you do not want to lose?
 

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Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.)
NOT a loony liberal.
Probably the only sane district along California's entire coast?

Oh wait, it doesn't actually go all the way to the coast. That explains much.

If he was my rep, I'd gift him a classier device than what he's using there.
 

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Yeah. I'm sure some unhinged religious liberals are praying for Trumps murder too. Good point.
Liberals are religious?

True I guess. Jesus was a bleeding heart liberal. And did not charge for his healing.
And Real Christians like to help the poor and troubled.
 

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The hatred of 'liberals' by some severely limits their view of the world and thereby diminishes the validity of their statements.
You are being used. And not for your best interests.
 

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Liberals are religious?

True I guess. Jesus was a bleeding heart liberal. And did not charge for his healing.
And Real Christians like to help the poor and troubled.

Jesus was a very wise man. He encouraged his followers to help the poor and troubled themselves. Real Christians don't ask the government to do their work for them. Jesus didn't either. He was all about personal responsibility. Direct help for the poor.
 

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Jesus was a very wise man. He encouraged his followers to help the poor and troubled themselves. Real Christians don't ask the government to do their work for them. Jesus didn't either. He was all about personal responsibility. Direct help for the poor.

Show me a bible verse that says what you just said! REAL CHRISTIANS MY ASS!!!


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The hatred of 'liberals' by some severely limits their view of the world and thereby diminishes the validity of their statements.
You are being used. And not for your best interests.

LOL. Fucking moron. What were your words?

Outrage. Pissed off. Disappointed. Feel sorry.

And you have the gall to say others views are limited by their emotions? :giggle:

Look in the mirror, Jackass.
 

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Show me a bible verse that says what you just said! REAL CHRISTIANS MY ASS!!!


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Matthew 22:21
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's

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Jesus was a very wise man. He encouraged his followers to help the poor and troubled themselves. Real Christians don't ask the government to do their work for them. Jesus didn't either. He was all about personal responsibility. Direct help for the poor.

And ALL christians who do not follow his teachings are NOT Christians.

Who have you helped today?
That did not benefit you in some way other than spiritual?

I am taking some food to a family later today.
I donate to the local food bank regularly.
I hate no one.
I have never said "Just nuke em all and let god sort em out".
I hope to live a long life and never harm anyone.

And I believe in NO deity or afterlife.
Jesus WAS however a groundbreaking humanitarian if nothing else.
And the conservatives of his time had him crucified for his liberal views.
Imagine not having to go thru the temple leaders to get to God....
Blasphemy.
Have the Romans do the deed so our hands are clean....
 

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And ALL christians who do not follow his teachings are NOT Christians.

Who have you helped today?
That did not benefit you in some way other than spiritual?

I am taking some food to a family later today.
I donate to the local food bank regularly.
I hate no one.
I have never said "Just nuke em all and let god sort em out".
I hope to live a long life and never harm anyone.

And I believe in NO deity or afterlife.
Jesus WAS however a groundbreaking humanitarian if nothing else.
And the conservatives of his time had him crucified for his liberal views.
Imagine not having to go thru the temple leaders to get to God....
Blasphemy.
Have the Romans do the deed so our hands are clean....

FUCKING ROMANS MAN!


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This is the only shit I follow!
Fuck all the pastors that uses jesus words to get rich!! Fuck em all!


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This is the only shit I follow!
Fuck all the pastors that uses jesus words to get rich!! Fuck em all!


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Rules 5-10 are just common sense items for any society.
And everyone should allow others to follow 1-4 in their own heart if they so choose.
 

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I personally think the Golden rule is the one simple rule to follow that is the most important.
Do Unto others as you would have them do unto you.
 

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Show me a bible verse that says what you just said! REAL CHRISTIANS MY ASS!!!


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LOL. There are lots of them. Real Christians are very much anti-government.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010489

Jeremiah

10 Hear the word that Jehovah has spoken against you, O house of Israel. 2 This is what Jehovah says:

“Do not learn the way of the nations,+

And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens

Because the nations are terrified by them.+

3 For the customs of the peoples are a delusion.*

It is just a tree of the forest that is cut down,

Worked by the hands of the craftsman with his tool.*+

4 They adorn it with silver and gold+

And fasten it with hammer and nails so that it will not fall over.+

5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, they cannot speak;+

They have to be carried, for they cannot walk.+

Do not fear them, for they can do no harm,

Nor can they do any good.”+

6 No one is like you, O Jehovah.+

You are great, and your name is great and mighty.

7 Who should not fear you, O King of the nations,+ for it is fitting;

Because among all the wise ones of the nations and among all their kingdoms,

There is no one at all like you.+

8 They are all unreasoning and stupid.+

Instruction from a tree is an utter delusion.*+

9 Silver plates are imported from Tarʹshish+ and gold from Uʹphaz,

The work of a craftsman, of the hands of a metalworker.

Their clothing is blue thread and purple wool.

They are all made by skilled workers.

10 But Jehovah is truly God.

He is the living God+ and the eternal King.+

Because of his indignation the earth will quake,+

And no nations will endure his denunciation.

11* This is what you should say to them:

“The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth

Will perish from the earth and from under these heavens.”+

12 He is the Maker of the earth by his power,

The One who established the productive land by his wisdom+

And who stretched out the heavens by his understanding.+

13 When he makes his voice heard,

The waters in the heavens are in turmoil,+

And he causes clouds* to ascend from the ends of the earth.+

He makes lightning for* the rain,

And he brings the wind out of his storehouses.+

14 Every man acts unreasonably and without knowledge.

Every metalworker will be put to shame because of the carved image;+

For his metal image* is a falsehood,

And there is no spirit* in them.+

15 They are a delusion,* a work of mockery.+

When their day of reckoning comes, they will perish.

16 The Share of Jacob is not like these things,

For he is the One who formed everything,

And Israel is the staff of his inheritance.+

Jehovah of armies is his name.+

17 Gather up your bundle from the ground,

O woman dwelling under siege.

18 For this is what Jehovah says:

“Here I am hurling* the inhabitants out of the land at this time,+

And I will cause them to experience distress.”

19 Woe to me because of my breakdown!*+

My wound is incurable.

And I said: “Surely this is my sickness, and I must bear it.

20 My tent has been devastated, and my tent cords have all been torn apart.+

My sons have left me and are no more.+

There is no one left to stretch out my tent or raise up my tent cloths.

21 For the shepherds have behaved senselessly,+

And they have not inquired of Jehovah.+

That is why they have not acted with insight,

And all their flocks have been scattered.”+

22 Listen! A report! It is coming!

A great pounding from the land of the north,+

To make the cities of Judah desolate, a lair of jackals.+

23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.

It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.+

24 Correct me, O Jehovah, with judgment,

But not in your anger,+ that you may not reduce me to nothing.+

25 Pour out your wrath on the nations who ignore you+

And on the families who do not call on your name.

For they have devoured Jacob,+

Yes, they have devoured him to the point of extermination,+

And they have desolated his homeland.+
 

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LOL. There are lots of them. Real Christians are very much anti-government.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010489

Jeremiah

10 Hear the word that Jehovah has spoken against you, O house of Israel. 2 This is what Jehovah says:

“Do not learn the way of the nations,+

And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens

Because the nations are terrified by them.+

3 For the customs of the peoples are a delusion.*

It is just a tree of the forest that is cut down,

Worked by the hands of the craftsman with his tool.*+

4 They adorn it with silver and gold+

And fasten it with hammer and nails so that it will not fall over.+

5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, they cannot speak;+

They have to be carried, for they cannot walk.+

Do not fear them, for they can do no harm,

Nor can they do any good.”+

6 No one is like you, O Jehovah.+

You are great, and your name is great and mighty.

7 Who should not fear you, O King of the nations,+ for it is fitting;

Because among all the wise ones of the nations and among all their kingdoms,

There is no one at all like you.+

8 They are all unreasoning and stupid.+

Instruction from a tree is an utter delusion.*+

9 Silver plates are imported from Tarʹshish+ and gold from Uʹphaz,

The work of a craftsman, of the hands of a metalworker.

Their clothing is blue thread and purple wool.

They are all made by skilled workers.

10 But Jehovah is truly God.

He is the living God+ and the eternal King.+

Because of his indignation the earth will quake,+

And no nations will endure his denunciation.

11* This is what you should say to them:

“The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth

Will perish from the earth and from under these heavens.”+

12 He is the Maker of the earth by his power,

The One who established the productive land by his wisdom+

And who stretched out the heavens by his understanding.+

13 When he makes his voice heard,

The waters in the heavens are in turmoil,+

And he causes clouds* to ascend from the ends of the earth.+

He makes lightning for* the rain,

And he brings the wind out of his storehouses.+

14 Every man acts unreasonably and without knowledge.

Every metalworker will be put to shame because of the carved image;+

For his metal image* is a falsehood,

And there is no spirit* in them.+

15 They are a delusion,* a work of mockery.+

When their day of reckoning comes, they will perish.

16 The Share of Jacob is not like these things,

For he is the One who formed everything,

And Israel is the staff of his inheritance.+

Jehovah of armies is his name.+

17 Gather up your bundle from the ground,

O woman dwelling under siege.

18 For this is what Jehovah says:

“Here I am hurling* the inhabitants out of the land at this time,+

And I will cause them to experience distress.”

19 Woe to me because of my breakdown!*+

My wound is incurable.

And I said: “Surely this is my sickness, and I must bear it.

20 My tent has been devastated, and my tent cords have all been torn apart.+

My sons have left me and are no more.+

There is no one left to stretch out my tent or raise up my tent cloths.

21 For the shepherds have behaved senselessly,+

And they have not inquired of Jehovah.+

That is why they have not acted with insight,

And all their flocks have been scattered.”+

22 Listen! A report! It is coming!

A great pounding from the land of the north,+

To make the cities of Judah desolate, a lair of jackals.+

23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.

It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.+

24 Correct me, O Jehovah, with judgment,

But not in your anger,+ that you may not reduce me to nothing.+

25 Pour out your wrath on the nations who ignore you+

And on the families who do not call on your name.

For they have devoured Jacob,+

Yes, they have devoured him to the point of extermination,+

And they have desolated his homeland.+

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And ALL christians who do not follow his teachings are NOT Christians.

Who have you helped today?
That did not benefit you in some way other than spiritual?

I am taking some food to a family later today.
I donate to the local food bank regularly.
I hate no one.
I have never said "Just nuke em all and let god sort em out".
I hope to live a long life and never harm anyone.

And I believe in NO deity or afterlife.
Jesus WAS however a groundbreaking humanitarian if nothing else.
And the conservatives of his time had him crucified for his liberal views.
Imagine not having to go thru the temple leaders to get to God....
Blasphemy.
Have the Romans do the deed so our hands are clean....

LOL. Tooting your own horn?

1. I am not a Christian. I'm just pointing out your bullshit lies about Jesus and "real" Christians.

2. I don't need to toot my own horn for your recognition of my good deeds. That's between me and those I may help.
 
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